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Re: Towing with a 2000 Astro Van
« Reply #30 on: September 26, 2018, 12:09:27 PM »
I have been using a friction anti-sway control bar since my first trip in March this year..... the Anti-sway bar has made a significant difference in overall handing... I replaced the shocks about a month ago...

I did a lot of research before spending the $$$ for this WDH .... I needed to take the tongue weight off the rear axil of the TV (I was getting some serious SQUATTING) and get it more evenly distributed over the whole rig.... I think this addition has done that (if I have it hooked up right)..... I am just a bit disappointed that there isn't a more significant difference in handling... This fix might be more of a rear spring issue (as the van sits lower without the TT attached)

That does indeed change my opinion that the WDH needs tightened up.  You shouldn't gain rear end height after installed.  I agree about the rear springs, but not overall familiar with Astro posture.  But if the rear springs are saggin, and you replaced them, it would certainly tighten up your whole set-up, especially your driving handling experience.

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Re: Towing with a 2000 Astro Van
« Reply #31 on: September 26, 2018, 12:37:50 PM »
That does indeed change my opinion that the WDH needs tightened up.  You shouldn't gain rear end height after installed.  I agree about the rear springs, but not overall familiar with Astro posture.  But if the rear springs are saggin, and you replaced them, it would certainly tighten up your whole set-up, especially your driving handling experience.

I hate it when I get the answer I expect, but don't want to hear ...  :P :(
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Re: Towing with a 2000 Astro Van
« Reply #32 on: September 26, 2018, 02:43:07 PM »
You seem pretty knowledgeable regarding how your car should ride, loaded and unloaded.

Out of curiosity, why didn't you change the springs when you did the shocks? That's what takes the load. The shocks just reduce the bouncing.

Are you bringing it to a shop or doing it yourself? If you do it yourself, just cut all of the bolts off of the leaf springs and replace them with new. You'll save yourself a lot of headache. I wasted 6 hours trying to save the bolts on my s10 when I should have just cut them from the start. They were completely rusted on and a 5 foot cheater bar didn't help.
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Re: Towing with a 2000 Astro Van
« Reply #33 on: September 26, 2018, 02:52:13 PM »
Just so you know, the purpose of a WDH is to transfer weight to the front axle, it serves no other purpose. That was kinda mentioned, but not outright. One word of caution is do not transfer enough weight forward to have the front axle heavier with the trailer hitched up and the WDH set than what the axle was before hitching the trailer. Lifting the rear of the tow vehicle is not the wdh's job. As Lou said, if the rear of the tow vehicle sags normally, it will sag when using the WDH. If you want to get the sag out, try airbags, but you may have to readjust the WDH.
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Re: Towing with a 2000 Astro Van
« Reply #34 on: September 26, 2018, 03:45:41 PM »
I hate it when I get the answer I expect, but don't want to hear ...  :P :(
LOL
Found this that might help, it is simple adding a leaf spring support.  Guy on video seemed to like it, and fairly simple and inexpensive.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=29tMvVkEZ4E

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Re: Towing with a 2000 Astro Van
« Reply #35 on: September 27, 2018, 09:38:03 AM »
You seem pretty knowledgeable regarding how your car should ride, loaded and unloaded.

Out of curiosity, why didn't you change the springs when you did the shocks? That's what takes the load. The shocks just reduce the bouncing.

Are you bringing it to a shop or doing it yourself? If you do it yourself, just cut all of the bolts off of the leaf springs and replace them with new. You'll save yourself a lot of headache. I wasted 6 hours trying to save the bolts on my s10 when I should have just cut them from the start. They were completely rusted on and a 5 foot cheater bar didn't help.

cerd
We had the shocks and my hubby and "the boy" do a lot of the work in the driveway....
I thought the shocks would correct the sag... sadly I was wrong.... Thank you for the advice to just cut the bolts... I will likely be helping to replace the leaf springs and will instruct the boys on this!....
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Re: Towing with a 2000 Astro Van
« Reply #36 on: September 27, 2018, 11:55:52 AM »
LOL
Found this that might help, it is simple adding a leaf spring support.  Guy on video seemed to like it, and fairly simple and inexpensive.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=29tMvVkEZ4E

Before buying the WDH I looked for spring support additions and they were all priced higher then the WDH!! This time I had a better idea of what I was looking for and yes, they are much more affordable.

Did a bunch of looking at this (from the video) and found a more robust version of it...
I believe the one on the video has a 500lb rating and the more robust has a 1,500lb rating...
(does not add to GVWR** - payload rating is 1310lbs and I think the more robust would be a good idea)

I think I will be investing in one of these... the more robust one... it is less expensive then the full spring replace and it looks like I won't need "the boys" to install it either.... but, I'll let them help, because they like to feel useful... and it is a lady's job to make her men feel useful.... or at least let them bark their knuckles and swear instead of doing so herself...
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Re: Towing with a 2000 Astro Van
« Reply #37 on: September 27, 2018, 12:30:29 PM »
I think I will be investing in one of these... the more robust one... it is less expensive then the full spring replace and it looks like I won't need "the boys" to install it either.... but, I'll let them help, because they like to feel useful... and it is a lady's job to make her men feel useful.... or at least let them bark their knuckles and swear instead of doing so herself...

Quite the character  :D

We ALL certainly will be interested in how well this works on your van.

And maybe the 'boys' can fetch you the tools you'll need  ;)


One more thing.  I see your tire pressure is 35 psi.  What is the rated MAX on your tire?  Not that I would go up to the max, but if it is say 'max 45psi', I would bump up the rear tire pressure to 40 while towing, it also would stiffin up your rear end a tad, lol.


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Re: Towing with a 2000 Astro Van
« Reply #38 on: September 27, 2018, 12:45:17 PM »
Quite the character  :D

We ALL certainly will be interested in how well this works on your van.

And maybe the 'boys' can fetch you the tools you'll need  ;)


One more thing.  I see your tire pressure is 35 psi.  What is the rated MAX on your tire?  Not that I would go up to the max, but if it is say 'max 45psi', I would bump up the rear tire pressure to 40 while towing, it also would stiffin up your rear end a tad, lol.

I'll check on the max tire pressure and keep an update.....
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I let "the boys" help were they can... lol  ;D ..... They aren't very good at fetching, because they usually don't put the tools back in the same place and most of the time they holler at me to help them find it...  :o   (other times it's me hollering at them)
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Re: Towing with a 2000 Astro Van
« Reply #39 on: September 27, 2018, 03:07:29 PM »
Before buying the WDH I looked for spring support additions and they were all priced higher then the WDH!! This time I had a better idea of what I was looking for and yes, they are much more affordable.

Did a bunch of looking at this (from the video) and found a more robust version of it...
I believe the one on the video has a 500lb rating and the more robust has a 1,500lb rating...
(does not add to GVWR** - payload rating is 1310lbs and I think the more robust would be a good idea)

I think I will be investing in one of these... the more robust one... it is less expensive then the full spring replace and it looks like I won't need "the boys" to install it either.... but, I'll let them help, because they like to feel useful... and it is a lady's job to make her men feel useful.... or at least let them bark their knuckles and swear instead of doing so herself...
I would highly recommend against this. The main control of your rig is dependent on the tow vehicle. If your tow vehicle is lacking performance, then you are risking safety. Essentially, you are transferring weight needed on the back tires to maintain traction to the trailer, which you have little control over. Every bump could alter how your van tracks.

More importantly, you don't want to risk having one break. At that point, there is nothing keeping your axle under your vehicle. I broke a spring on my s10 and the axle was on the frame. At that time, I was driving white knuckle, praying that the axle didn't twist or let go for the whole 30 miles that I was driving home. The only thing holding it on was 1 of the 4 leafs that was now way overstressed and the shock on that side.  I didn't exceed 30 MPH and slowed way down for every noticeable bump. I made it home, but it was a nightmare that I don't wish upon anybody. I was also unloaded. I can't imagine what would have happened if it let go while I was towing anything.

Rockauto lists springs as low as $110 each. Call it $250 with replacement bolts and U bolts if you do it yourself. This is the preferred route because you know there is no history and therefore, no wear, stress, or degradation.

If that is not justifiable, you could get some used springs from a salvage yard using car-part.com. If you take the used route, I would recommend buying a set from something newer, such as a 2004 or 2005 since they wouldn't have been degraded as much as another 2000 along with fewer miles and therefore, less flexing and wear.

There is also a 3 leaf version and a 4 leaf version. Make sure you have the 4 leaf version, unless you can find one that already has the add a leaf kit installed, making it a 5 leaf.
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Re: Towing with a 2000 Astro Van
« Reply #40 on: October 01, 2018, 11:48:04 AM »
Just an update:
cerd - talked with my mechanic friend... He said there isn't anything wrong with my springs, he thought it sat just fine for an Astro and wasn't sure why I wanted to do all that work..... he suggested I buy tow shocks or air shocks, If I felt there was too much bounch.... (I'm pricing those this week)

He agreed that LT tires would help ease the bounce in the ride... He wasn't sure I could find my tire size in an LT (I did find it online) offered me a good price to put new LTs on the van if I wanted to go that route and he couldn't find me any....
The existing "touring" tires are less then 9 months old... so I really don't want to spend that $, but if it makes me safer for overall driving, I will do what I need too.

He had lots of good things to say about my WDH .... He didn't think I needed to do shocks or tires, but he said if it made me feel better to drive it, he would help me out.
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Re: Towing with a 2000 Astro Van
« Reply #41 on: October 01, 2018, 12:04:16 PM »
Good to know. Is there any chance you have a video of it swaying? I am curious how bad it actually sways.

Another thing you could do is hook it up and see if the mechanic would be willing to take 5 mins and go on a drive with you so he can give you a better idea of how to solve it, if there is anything left to do.
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Re: Towing with a 2000 Astro Van
« Reply #42 on: October 01, 2018, 12:48:52 PM »
One thing that will cause trailer sway even in a properly set-up unit is the habit of moving the steering wheel back and forth slightly while driving down the road.  Many drivers do this unconsciously, correcting as they notice the vehicle drifting towards one side of the lane, then correcting again as it drifts towards the opposite side.

This makes the trailer appear to sway as it's change in direction lags that of the towing vehicle.

You should be able to hold the steering wheel stationary so the car goes straight down the road and the trailer tracks directly behind.  This takes some practice and may require bracing your arm against an armrest or the door to anchor your hand in place.
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Re: Towing with a 2000 Astro Van
« Reply #43 on: October 01, 2018, 12:54:46 PM »
One thing that will cause trailer sway even in a properly set-up unit is the habit of moving the steering wheel back and forth slightly while driving down the road.  Many drivers do this unconsciously, correcting as they notice the vehicle drifting towards one side of the lane, then correcting again as it drifts towards the opposite side.

This makes the trailer appear to sway as it's change in direction lags that of the towing vehicle.

You should be able to hold the steering wheel stationary so the car goes straight down the road and the trailer tracks directly behind.  This takes some practice and may require bracing your arm against an armrest or the door to anchor your hand in place.

I noticed this happening when I went from driving a regular full size pickup  to a Jeep Wrangler on a daily basis.  Took a couple of weeks to quit weaving all over the road due to the responsiveness of the short-coupled Jeep vs. the truck.
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Re: Towing with a 2000 Astro Van
« Reply #44 on: October 01, 2018, 01:37:33 PM »
One thing that will cause trailer sway even in a properly set-up unit is the habit of moving the steering wheel back and forth slightly while driving down the road.  Many drivers do this unconsciously, correcting as they notice the vehicle drifting towards one side of the lane, then correcting again as it drifts towards the opposite side.

This makes the trailer appear to sway as it's change in direction lags that of the towing vehicle.

You should be able to hold the steering wheel stationary so the car goes straight down the road and the trailer tracks directly behind.  This takes some practice and may require bracing your arm against an armrest or the door to anchor your hand in place.

OMG!! I didn't even think about this!!
My husband says I wander all over the road and hug the white line when towing.....
I'm going to be testing this without the trailer over the next couple of days...
Thank you
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Re: Towing with a 2000 Astro Van
« Reply #45 on: October 01, 2018, 01:45:15 PM »
Good to know. Is there any chance you have a video of it swaying? I am curious how bad it actually sways.

Another thing you could do is hook it up and see if the mechanic would be willing to take 5 mins and go on a drive with you so he can give you a better idea of how to solve it, if there is anything left to do.

I'm not sure it is so much a "sway" as a bounciness...
I am going to monitor my own driving style as suggested as well....


I'm really looking to reduce my driving fatigue as this 12-15hour trip from Windsor, Ontario to Springfield, Massachusetts  will feel a lot longer if I'm exhausted...

Yes, I like the idea of taking my mechanic friend for a ride (if he has time...) He did say I was looking at all the right areas to work on ....
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Re: Towing with a 2000 Astro Van
« Reply #46 on: October 01, 2018, 04:19:38 PM »
Im not sure if you have ever seen this demo, but check it out. Cheers
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i2fkOVHAC8Q

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Re: Towing with a 2000 Astro Van
« Reply #47 on: October 01, 2018, 05:16:35 PM »
I'm really looking to reduce my driving fatigue as this 12-15hour trip from Windsor, Ontario to Springfield, Massachusetts  will feel a lot longer if I'm exhausted...

That long of a drive wears me out driving my Yukon XL without a trailer.  Please try and take 2 days.  Everything is slower when pulling a trailer, everything....

I know your mechanic friend said that your Astro sat fine.  The problem is, old springs take less weight to flex, not nice and stern like new and that could be causing your bounciness.  Do you plan to keep the Astro for these adventures, OR possibly upgrade to a pickup or SUV?

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Re: Towing with a 2000 Astro Van
« Reply #48 on: October 02, 2018, 09:28:17 AM »
Im not sure if you have ever seen this demo, but check it out. Cheers
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i2fkOVHAC8Q

YES!!
Makes you really look at how everything is arranged inside the camper!!
Thank you
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Re: Towing with a 2000 Astro Van
« Reply #49 on: October 02, 2018, 09:36:52 AM »
That long of a drive wears me out driving my Yukon XL without a trailer.  Please try and take 2 days.  Everything is slower when pulling a trailer, everything....

I know your mechanic friend said that your Astro sat fine.  The problem is, old springs take less weight to flex, not nice and stern like new and that could be causing your bounciness.  Do you plan to keep the Astro for these adventures, OR possibly upgrade to a pickup or SUV?

I have left a window of two days to get to Massachusetts ...I'm leaving early Thursday morning and I don't need to be there until late afternoon Saturday.  I've told my travel partner that if I need to stop I will... I would switch off with her, but last time she drove my van (with me in it) I was more stressed then rested!! She puts her foot on the floor and she bobbed and weaved through traffic like a race car.... If she drove like that with a trailer..... she will kill us both!! NOT taking that chance!!

Yes, I am seriously considering trading up to a Pick-up... I love this van, but it really doesn't cover all my needs... I have to tarp the back seriously to haul hay, move chickens/turkey to the butcher, and going and getting mulch for garden beds isn't possible without a pick-up... I'm not sure I can get the van traded up prior to this trip, but I'm going to post on our local area and see if I can get a trade safety/e-tested in trade for a safety/e-tested pick-up....
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Re: Towing with a 2000 Astro Van
« Reply #50 on: October 02, 2018, 01:14:52 PM »

If she drove like that with a trailer..... she will kill us both!! NOT taking that chance!!

Wise choice, her and my wife would get along great, hence I do the driving, lol

Yes, I am seriously considering trading up to a Pick-up... I love this van, but it really doesn't cover all my needs... I have to tarp the back seriously to haul hay, move chickens/turkey to the butcher, and going and getting mulch for garden beds isn't possible without a pick-up... I'm not sure I can get the van traded up prior to this trip, but I'm going to post on our local area and see if I can get a trade safety/e-tested in trade for a safety/e-tested pick-up....

Sounds like a good plan, your Astro will be fine, just take it slower than usual.  A pickup does sound like it would better fit your life..  Better start campaigning for one with the hubby.

Not sure what safety/e-tested is, I can assume, but I'll call it a northern thing  ;)


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Re: Towing with a 2000 Astro Van
« Reply #51 on: October 04, 2018, 08:59:50 AM »
Sounds like a good plan, your Astro will be fine, just take it slower than usual.  A pickup does sound like it would better fit your life..  Better start campaigning for one with the hubby.

Well..... A little update...

Hubby kinda just holds on and rolls with it!!
I "get things done" and then he finds out about it!
Life with me is not BORING!! lol

I put the Astro for trade on our local Kijiji ..... Got a response from a guy with a 2001 GMC Sierra single cab, long box, has hitch and power, 4.8L, v8....
His wife had a baby and she sent him my add.... he has been looking for the right "family vehicle" for a while... he's throwing in trailer brake system (my trailer doesn't have trailer breaks) and suspension air bags.... The only thing is .... I think my Astro is rated to pull more then the truck?? (5,000lbs) and I need to buy a cap (rabbits are not fond of riding in the wind and rain)

You guys are awesome!!
Thank you for all your helpful suggestions and advice....  I've got a bit of time to think about this as these are our daily drivers and we need to get safety for each other and get together to look each others vehicles over...

Any comments on the truck would be appreciated:
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Re: Towing with a 2000 Astro Van
« Reply #52 on: October 04, 2018, 09:02:16 AM »
The truck...
If things go well.... I will try and find a cap for the back... kinda hoping to find another colour to add to this "look"
 ;D ;)
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Re: Towing with a 2000 Astro Van
« Reply #53 on: October 04, 2018, 10:28:45 AM »
I have a 2004 GMC YukonXL, 5.3 L, 150,000 miles, I like it. I find it dependable and easy to work on.

Trading for a used 17 year old truck ??  Could your mechanic friend give you a professional opinion?  Do you think the guy would let you connect your trailer and see how it does?  How many miles on it?  Does he keep maintenance records?  Will a single cab meet your everyday needs, family needs, rabbit needs (it can get cold in the bed,  ???)

I'm not trying to scare you... Just hate for you to get a different set of problems.   

And a cap, color, you're a practical lady, I'm guessing the bargain outweighs the color  ;)

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Re: Towing with a 2000 Astro Van
« Reply #54 on: October 04, 2018, 01:47:38 PM »
Trading for a used 17 year old truck ??
2001 would be newer than the 2000 that they would be trading. As long as mileage is similar, its a pretty even trade.
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Re: Towing with a 2000 Astro Van
« Reply #55 on: October 04, 2018, 01:55:39 PM »
I have a 2004 GMC YukonXL, 5.3 L, 150,000 miles, I like it. I find it dependable and easy to work on.

Trading for a used 17 year old truck ??  Could your mechanic friend give you a professional opinion?  Do you think the guy would let you connect your trailer and see how it does?  How many miles on it?  Does he keep maintenance records?  Will a single cab meet your everyday needs, family needs, rabbit needs (it can get cold in the bed,  ???)

I'm not trying to scare you... Just hate for you to get a different set of problems.   

And a cap, color, you're a practical lady, I'm guessing the bargain outweighs the color  ;)

The Van is 18 years old... just got a text and mileage on both vehicles are fairly similar (mine 250,000 his 286,000 KMs)....
I will definitely be giving it a test drive.... and seeing if my mechanic friend can give it a look over, before I make a final decision.

I was thinking a lot about the trading one set of problems for another set of problems.... but, I'm hoping that the truck wouldn't be worse then the van to pull (my step son's 1500 has non of the issues the van does while pulling)
I would have the ability to haul hay and yards of mulch (I have to borrow a friend's truck) also, have you ever had 50 live chickens inside of a van taking them to the butcher?? (1.5 hour drive) Let's just say I have (close to) a dead nose.. thank god!... slinkiest trip I have done!!

Often it is just me or me and one other driving.. I have had the seats out of the van more often then in... The mismatched colour will also keep kids (18 and 21) from borrowing it! My step-daughter said she wouldn't know me if I drove up in that!! lol... excellent!! lol

Storage could be cured with a cap and bunnies don't mind the cold... the heat is my biggest concern... thinking I could install a split rear window in the cab and a split front window in the cap and get a window fan that runs off the cigarette lighter?? pull air conditioning into the back? still in the thinking stage for this...

I did see a used 8ft cap with ladder rails too.. so, I could always add to the top if bringing home (new, without rabbits in it) cages from shows....

The deal is we both get our own vehicles safeties... (I'm not sure if you do this in the south  ;))
This means that a licenced mechanic needs to review/sign off on a list from the MTO and make sure the vehicle complies with this list... tire tread, steering, brakes, etc... all have to be in good working order....

I appreciate all the worries you brought up... I have made a list of pros for the van and truck.... if the truck checks out, I feel like I will get more use from it then I currently do the van... and (If this guy isn't feeding me a line) I will be helping someone else who needs a van!
(I'll have to re-do my WDH again - Hand to forehead  ;D)

Please don't hesitate to mention other issues you think need attention.... Thank you!!
Going to google a check list and have all my ducks in a row for our meeting next week.
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Re: Towing with a 2000 Astro Van
« Reply #56 on: October 04, 2018, 02:08:02 PM »


And a cap, color, you're a practical lady, I'm guessing the bargain outweighs the color  ;)

If it hasn't been obvious... crazy ..... colour or otherwise works for me...
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Re: Towing with a 2000 Astro Van
« Reply #57 on: October 04, 2018, 02:26:05 PM »
2001 would be newer than the 2000 that they would be trading. As long as mileage is similar, its a pretty even trade.

I agree.  But she knows her Astro is mechanically decent.


The Van is 18 years old... I can't remember what he told me about the mileage....
I will definitely be giving it a test drive.... and seeing if my mechanic friend can give it a look over, before I make a final decision. Great Plan

I was thinking a lot about the trading one set of problems for another set of problems.... but, I'm hoping that the truck wouldn't be worse then the van to pull (my step son's 1500 has non of the issues the van does while pulling) I think this PU would pull it nicely as well

I would have the ability to haul hay and yards of mulch (I have to borrow a friend's truck) also, have you ever had 50 live chickens inside of a van taking them to the butcher?? (1.5 hour drive) Let's just say I have (close to) a dead nose.. thank god!... slinkiest trip I have done!!  You definitely got me on that, but thanks for the crazy mental picture  :)

Often it is just me or me and one other driving.. I have had the seats out of the van more often then in... The mismatched colour will also keep kids (18 and 21) from borrowing it! My step-daughter said she wouldn't know me if I drove up in that!! lol... excellent!! lol   Haha

Storage could be cured with a cap and bunnies don't mind the cold... the heat is my biggest concern... thinking I could install a split rear window in the cab and a split front window in the cap and get a window fan that runs off the cigarette lighter?? pull air conditioning into the back? still in the thinking stage for this... Many caps have sliding windows, you could create a breeze. I'm sure it gets hotter in Indianapolis than where you are from 

I did see a used 8ft cap with ladder rails too.. so, I could always add to the top if bringing home (new, without rabbits in it) cages from shows....

The deal is we both get our own vehicles safeties... (I'm not sure if you do this in the south  ;)Trading vehicles, Not as the norm, some states have more rules than others about inspections.
This means that a licenced mechanic needs to review/sign off on a list from the MTO and make sure the vehicle complies with this list... tire tread, steering, brakes, etc... all have to be in good working order....

I appreciate all the worries you brought up... I have made a list of pros for the van and truck.... if the truck checks out, I feel like I will get more use from it then I currently do the van... and (If this guy isn't feeding me a line.) Typical man, lol  I will be helping someone else who needs a van!
(I'll have to re-do my WDH again - Hand to forehead  ;DGood practice   :P

Please don't hesitate to mention other issues you think need attention.... Thank you!!
Going to google a check list and have all my ducks (I thought you had rabbits  ;D)  in a row for our meeting next week.


Good luck, I hope it works out for you.  Did he say why he replaced the bed?  had it been in an accident?

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Re: Towing with a 2000 Astro Van
« Reply #58 on: October 04, 2018, 07:42:48 PM »
My question, too.  Why is the bed a different color?  Was it in an accident?  Where was it hit (i.e left rear corner)?  How bad was the damage?  Who fixed it?

I have no problem with a vehicle that was wrecked as long as a COMPETENT mechanic made the repairs and MY mechanic looks it over.  A bent frame can be bent back, but you do not want it if the proper repairs were not completed.

According to NADA, the truck retail value is almost $1000 US more than the van, based on base trim, no options on both vehicles and 2WD.  However if you van trade for even exchange, I think you both win.  Just get the chicken odor out before he drives it  ;D

FWIW, dad and I cleaned 50 rabbits one day, but we did it ourselves at home.   Dad hit them in the neck and removed the head and brought it downstairs (outside steps), I skinned and dressed, grandma cut them up and bagged them for freezing.  Kept the truck clean that way.
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Re: Towing with a 2000 Astro Van
« Reply #59 on: October 05, 2018, 09:57:00 AM »
My question, too.  Why is the bed a different color?  Was it in an accident?  Where was it hit (i.e left rear corner)?  How bad was the damage?  Who fixed it?

I have no problem with a vehicle that was wrecked as long as a COMPETENT mechanic made the repairs and MY mechanic looks it over.  A bent frame can be bent back, but you do not want it if the proper repairs were not completed.

According to NADA, the truck retail value is almost $1000 US more than the van, based on base trim, no options on both vehicles and 2WD.  However if you van trade for even exchange, I think you both win.  Just get the chicken odor out before he drives it  ;D

FWIW, dad and I cleaned 50 rabbits one day, but we did it ourselves at home.   Dad hit them in the neck and removed the head and brought it downstairs (outside steps), I skinned and dressed, grandma cut them up and bagged them for freezing.  Kept the truck clean that way.

He said he replaced the bed due to rust....
I will be going over things very well... and bringing "the boys" ....

I sell my chicken and rabbit meat at the farmers market, so they need to be processed at a government inspected facility to sell.... I used to do the butchering myself, but I can't keep up with meat rabbit culls from my show line.. (a very good problem to have)
I think it would take a team to do 50 rabbits... I cull same as your dad...

I tarp well when the chickens are in the van... and I clean the inside very well often!! You should have seen Christmas last year bringing the turkeys!! The guy at the butcher's eyes got round and he was shocked that back was full of turkeys.. I tarpped all the way up the front, sides and back - taped the tarp up and all around... and I had almost 20 full grown turkeys in the back with shavings!! lol

spencerpj - have you ever tried to get rabbits in a row? kinda like herding cats!! ducks know how to do a line-up!! lol - I think a truck with a cap is going to look crazier, I will likely just add shavings and toss the birds in the back instead of loading crates.... I'll attaché a bad photo of the back of the van full of turkeys...
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