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Hobie1

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towing with F150
« on: September 05, 2018, 11:36:34 PM »
i want to buy a TT 20'-30' and buying a 2018 F150 to tow it. the 2.7L ecoboost v6  towin cap rated to 7700lbs and the 3.5L is rated to 12,000lbs.  of course the 2.7L gets slightly better gas mileage. based on your RV experience, what would you recommend?

RedSonia29

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Re: towing with F150
« Reply #1 on: September 06, 2018, 12:36:16 AM »
We just purchased the 2018 Ford F150 Ecoboost 3.5L with the tow package to tow our 33.5' travel trailer. The trailer weighs about 9,000lbs wet and the F150 ride is SWEET!!! Frankly, if a 20-30' trailer is traveling wet, plus the weight of people in the vehicle and any other accouterments, it could easily cap out the weight on the 2.7L ecoboost V6. I'd go with the 3.5L so that you have some wiggle room, especially if you plan to climb hills.

The Ford tow package makes it easier to connect and maneuver the trailer. We plan to add another back-up camera to the back of the trailer itself fairly soon. It should connect into the Ford's back-up camera system after the tow setup is complete.
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Re: towing with F150
« Reply #2 on: September 06, 2018, 04:39:31 AM »
Nobody ever complains about having too much truck.  Your choice of a Ford is your business.  Lol.
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Re: towing with F150
« Reply #3 on: September 06, 2018, 06:45:44 AM »
if you live in CA.... you might complain when you every year when you get the registration fees for a 3/4 or 1 ton,  and with gas approaching $4 per gallon... you're gonna complain a lot less at the gas pumps with the Ecoboost.



BUT....If you are hauling a big trailer all day every day..... then like Pugapooh says... buy a Freightliner.     
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steveblonde

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Re: towing with F150
« Reply #4 on: September 06, 2018, 07:20:19 AM »
We just purchased the 2018 Ford F150 Ecoboost 3.5L with the tow package to tow our 33.5' travel trailer. The trailer weighs about 9,000lbs wet and the F150 ride is SWEET!!! Frankly, if a 20-30' trailer is traveling wet, plus the weight of people in the vehicle and any other accouterments, it could easily cap out the weight on the 2.7L ecoboost V6. I'd go with the 3.5L so that you have some wiggle room, especially if you plan to climb hills.

The Ford tow package makes it easier to connect and maneuver the trailer. We plan to add another back-up camera to the back of the trailer itself fairly soon. It should connect into the Ford's back-up camera system after the tow setup is complete.

please let me know when your traveling - so that i can avoid the routes your on - i dont want to be caught in the traffic jam when you crash.

any gust of wind and panic stop and you are in huge trouble. 33ft behind a F150 is asking for trouble - sorry
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Re: towing with F150
« Reply #5 on: September 06, 2018, 07:37:13 AM »
why is that ? 

My Dad had no problems towing our 30 foot travel trailer over the Rockies with mom and us 4 kids, in our 1968 Ford Country Squire station wagon. it wasn't even a pickup truck.

Does a 3/4 ton weigh that much more ?
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spencerpj

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Re: towing with F150
« Reply #6 on: September 06, 2018, 07:47:30 AM »
please let me know when your traveling - so that i can avoid the routes your on - i dont want to be caught in the traffic jam when you crash.

any gust of wind and panic stop and you are in huge trouble. 33ft behind a F150 is asking for trouble - sorry

X2.  I wouldn't put anything more than 25' behind a F150, no way. 

sightseers

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Re: towing with F150
« Reply #7 on: September 06, 2018, 07:50:17 AM »
and I just saw a diesel Volkswagon Turag tow a 30 foot Airstream into our park.

(he must have been like a professional driver or something  ;) )
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Re: towing with F150
« Reply #8 on: September 06, 2018, 08:10:01 AM »
i want to buy a TT 20'-30' and buying a 2018 F150 to tow it. the 2.7L ecoboost v6  towin cap rated to 7700lbs and the 3.5L is rated to 12,000lbs.  of course the 2.7L gets slightly better gas mileage. based on your RV experience, what would you recommend?

The disappointment of a smaller engine may last a lot longer than the sting of increased fuel costs...
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Hobie1

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Re: towing with F150
« Reply #9 on: September 06, 2018, 09:23:29 AM »
We just purchased the 2018 Ford F150 Ecoboost 3.5L with the tow package to tow our 33.5' travel trailer. The trailer weighs about 9,000lbs wet and the F150 ride is SWEET!!! Frankly, if a 20-30' trailer is traveling wet, plus the weight of people in the vehicle and any other accouterments, it could easily cap out the weight on the 2.7L ecoboost V6. I'd go with the 3.5L so that you have some wiggle room, especially if you plan to climb hills.

The Ford tow package makes it easier to connect and maneuver the trailer. We plan to add another back-up camera to the back of the trailer itself fairly soon. It should connect into the Ford's back-up camera system after the tow setup is complete.
thanks that what im thinking too...wiggle room. Great idea to install backup camera into truck system. let us know if it works.

Hobie1

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Re: towing with F150
« Reply #10 on: September 06, 2018, 09:26:00 AM »
 
X2.  I wouldn't put anything more than 25' behind a F150, no way.
:))

Hobie1

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Re: towing with F150
« Reply #11 on: September 06, 2018, 09:28:22 AM »
and I just saw a diesel Volkswagon Turag tow a 30 foot Airstream into our park.

(he must have been like a professional driver or something  ;) )
;D

Hobie1

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Re: towing with F150
« Reply #12 on: September 06, 2018, 09:29:04 AM »
The disappointment of a smaller engine may last a lot longer than the sting of increased fuel costs...
:)) :))

Hobie1

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Re: towing with F150
« Reply #13 on: September 06, 2018, 09:31:51 AM »
why is that ? 

My Dad had no problems towing our 30 foot travel trailer over the Rockies with mom and us 4 kids, in our 1968 Ford Country Squire station wagon. it wasn't even a pickup truck.

Does a 3/4 ton weigh that much more ?
yes and cost 50% more.  ill mostly use the F150 for daily transportation (not towing). towing probably will be 2x year and i have trailer brakes, stabilizer bars and never tow more than 80% capacity.
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Re: towing with F150
« Reply #14 on: September 06, 2018, 01:51:34 PM »
No different than your TC thread.  You either purchase as much truck as you want or can afford then purchase the TT that fits with the limits of the truck.  Whatever those limits are, and none of us can answer that until the precise limits are known for that specific vehicle.

Or you purchase the trailer you like/want and deal with whatever truck you need to do the job.

If you insist on a 1/2 ton truck then make your purchase with as much available payload/ towing capacity as possible, not published generic information.  That means hitting the pavement and doing a lot of shopping and looking a the door sticker of each vehicle.

Hobie1

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Re: towing with F150
« Reply #15 on: September 06, 2018, 03:13:56 PM »
No different than your TC thread.  You either purchase as much truck as you want or can afford then purchase the TT that fits with the limits of the truck.  Whatever those limits are, and none of us can answer that until the precise limits are known for that specific vehicle.

Or you purchase the trailer you like/want and deal with whatever truck you need to do the job.

If you insist on a 1/2 ton truck then make your purchase with as much available payload/ towing capacity as possible, not published generic information.  That means hitting the pavement and doing a lot of shopping and looking a the door sticker of each vehicle.
good advice. based on pre-op i decided to not get a slide-in...way too complicated for what i want. So yes ill purchase the best 1/2 ton out there, then find compatible tt. yea ill have to hit the asphalt but i need to make a wish list first.

spencerpj

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Re: towing with F150
« Reply #16 on: September 06, 2018, 03:40:26 PM »
good advice. based on pre-op i decided to not get a slide-in...way too complicated for what i want. So yes ill purchase the best 1/2 ton out there, then find compatible tt. yea ill have to hit the asphalt but i need to make a wish list first.

Sounds like a great plan, good luck, I hope you find the perfect truck.  You can always interact with a salesperson online, their website, and ask for a truck with the minimum specs, payload etc you need.  Have him walk the lot and come back with a link or three of what he has.  Cars.com is a good site in our area, most dealers use it. Online keeps you out of it emotionally up front.  Salesman are great at showing you the beauties, but maybe not the beauty workhorse you may need.  Just a thought, type out a paragraph, save it, and blast 10 local lots, you'll find what you are looking for  :))

Hobie1

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Re: towing with F150
« Reply #17 on: September 06, 2018, 05:51:51 PM »
Sounds like a great plan, good luck, I hope you find the perfect truck.  You can always interact with a salesperson online, their website, and ask for a truck with the minimum specs, payload etc you need.  Have him walk the lot and come back with a link or three of what he has.  Cars.com is a good site in our area, most dealers use it. Online keeps you out of it emotionally up front.  Salesman are great at showing you the beauties, but maybe not the beauty workhorse you may need.  Just a thought, type out a paragraph, save it, and blast 10 local lots, you'll find what you are looking for  :))
yesterday, test drove a F150 and wow Ford has tech-mania. 5 different drive modes with 10 speed variable torque, backup camera, GPS navigation & weather w/o subscription.

spencerpj

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Re: towing with F150
« Reply #18 on: September 06, 2018, 06:04:57 PM »
Hope they are doing something right, their stock is at a 6 year low.  Don't understand, unless Top Management is bleeding it dry?

Hobie1

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Re: towing with F150
« Reply #19 on: September 06, 2018, 06:55:45 PM »
Hope they are doing something right, their stock is at a 6 year low.  Don't understand, unless Top Management is bleeding it dry?
i wonder the same. the truck line isn't going out of business, its booming. but their passenger line is failing big-time

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Re: towing with F150
« Reply #20 on: September 06, 2018, 08:04:25 PM »
I STRONGLY  suggest the  Max Payload package.  It gives heavier springs, heavier brakes (I think) and heavier tires.  It also gives you an extra 1,000# of payload.  All those high tow ratings were for trucks with this package.  It will have a higher rear end ratio, thus poorer gas mileage, so they may be hard to find.

Those max tow ratings advertising loves to brag about are for a BASE XL model, max tow option and little else.  Two passengers and full gas tank.  No luggage.  No cargo.  And you usually see them pulling a load of lumber or bricks, NOT a camper!  Every pound of weight added in the form of options, passengers, cargo, bigger cab, longer bed, etc must be subtracted from that max tow number.

Honestly, the following is a much better way to evaluate tow capacity.
Find the yellow border placard on the driver door latch post which will state the weight of all passengers and cargo shall not exceed XXXX lbs.  This is the Payload for THAT truck as it left the factory with all options installed.
From this number, subtract the weight of all passengers, cargo, car seats, tool, toys and lumber you will carry in the truck.  Subtract 80# for a WD hitch.  What is left is the max tongue wt you can handle.
Multiply this number by 8 to get the max weight - that is GVWR - of the trailer you can safely tow assuming 12.5% tongue wt.
Multiply max tongue wt by 10 to get the absolute max GVWR trailer you can tow.  This assumes 10% tongue wt, and is the absolute minimum safe tongue wt % (tongue wt / loaded trailer wt X 100%)

Remember also that TT is a BIG sail you are towing behind your truck.  It catches lots of wind from passing trucks or natural gusts of wind that can push you all over the road if the sail is too big, the truck too small or the wind too strong.  The guy who said No Problem has 10 posts, and I never heard of him before.  There are several folks with hundreds of posts who have recommended to keep the length down closer to 25 ft.  I know them.  They know what they are talking about with thousands of towing miles behind their advise.
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Re: towing with F150
« Reply #21 on: September 06, 2018, 08:42:47 PM »
This is the only safe thing to tow a 30’ TT is with this  ::)

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Re: towing with F150
« Reply #22 on: September 06, 2018, 09:20:25 PM »
This is the only safe thing to tow a 30’ TT is with this  ::)


Nope - it needs another axel and a 6 bag suspension
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Hobie1

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Re: towing with F150
« Reply #23 on: September 06, 2018, 09:34:32 PM »
This is the only safe thing to tow a 30’ TT is with this  ::)
;D lol.

Hobie1

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Re: towing with F150
« Reply #24 on: September 06, 2018, 09:38:24 PM »
I STRONGLY  suggest the  Max Payload package.  It gives heavier springs, heavier brakes (I think) and heavier tires.  It also gives you an extra 1,000# of payload.  All those high tow ratings were for trucks with this package.  It will have a higher rear end ratio, thus poorer gas mileage, so they may be hard to find.

Those max tow ratings advertising loves to brag about are for a BASE XL model, max tow option and little else.  Two passengers and full gas tank.  No luggage.  No cargo.  And you usually see them pulling a load of lumber or bricks, NOT a camper!  Every pound of weight added in the form of options, passengers, cargo, bigger cab, longer bed, etc must be subtracted from that max tow number.

Honestly, the following is a much better way to evaluate tow capacity.
Find the yellow border placard on the driver door latch post which will state the weight of all passengers and cargo shall not exceed XXXX lbs.  This is the Payload for THAT truck as it left the factory with all options installed.
From this number, subtract the weight of all passengers, cargo, car seats, tool, toys and lumber you will carry in the truck.  Subtract 80# for a WD hitch.  What is left is the max tongue wt you can handle.
Multiply this number by 8 to get the max weight - that is GVWR - of the trailer you can safely tow assuming 12.5% tongue wt.
Multiply max tongue wt by 10 to get the absolute max GVWR trailer you can tow.  This assumes 10% tongue wt, and is the absolute minimum safe tongue wt % (tongue wt / loaded trailer wt X 100%)

Remember also that TT is a BIG sail you are towing behind your truck.  It catches lots of wind from passing trucks or natural gusts of wind that can push you all over the road if the sail is too big, the truck too small or the wind too strong.  The guy who said No Problem has 10 posts, and I never heard of him before.  There are several folks with hundreds of posts who have recommended to keep the length down closer to 25 ft.  I know them.  They know what they are talking about with thousands of towing miles behind their advise.
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Re: towing with F150
« Reply #25 on: September 07, 2018, 08:07:23 AM »
I tow a 5th wheel and boat with my 2016 F150 XLT Supercab 3.5L EcoBoost 2wdr with electronic locking rear 3.55 geared axle. Scaled it last Monday at 14,890 wet. I had no trouble on the interstate with cross winds, semis, or anything else. Truck handles it just fine. Speed limit is 70, I'm doing 60 and running about 1,700 rpm. I averaged around 11mpg fully loaded. When I jump up to 65mph I average 9.8mpg. I normally average 24.4 mpg on the interstate without trailers. I average 17mpg with just the boat doing the speed limit.   

My F150 also has a couple of the option packages, not max tow, just the towing package. Towing package comes with everything except the integrated brake controller and towing mirrors. Which means I had to add the Ford integrated brake controller and have the dealer activate it ($180). Plus I added aftermarket manual sliding towing mirrors, with electronic control, heated, and blinkers ($290). They came with puddle lights, however my truck didn't so those don't work.

My truck is rated at #6,900 GWR and #2,078 carrying capacity. I also have the factory running boards, spray in bed-liner, and box side steps. Truck with a full tank of gas (23 gallon), the wife, I, the dogs (shih Tzu's), Reese 5th wheel sliding hitch and all the aforementioned gear weighs #5,400. Leaves me with a max pin capacity of #1,500.

Crewcabs, higher trim packages, and 4x4 all reduce your carrying capacity. I walked the lot while they activated my controller and looked at a bunch of yellow door stickers. I seen 150's with higher GWR, yet they had lower carrying capacity. Most were 4x4, Crewcab short beds (5.5'). Mine is a Subercab with standard bed (6.5'). The only long beds where attached to regular cabs and I didn't check them out.

My tuck is rated for a maximum of 16,000 pounds. I'm well within my trucks limits and have no qualms about it handling my towing needs. My total length is 60', tip to tail. Illinois has one of the shortest length limits. However all Class I (Interstates) and Class II (State Highways) roads have no length restriction. It's the township, county roads, and cities that have the length restriction. There is an exception, you are allowed up to 5 miles off the Class I and Class II roads to get gas, reach your destination, and reach your campers permanent storage location.

I see no problem with a F150 for family, camping duties. I wouldn't use it for a full time RV lifestyle, but for the average Joe going on a week or two vacation with the family, weekends to the lake, and a daily driver back and forth to work. It'll meet your needs and save you expenses compared to 3/4 and up trucks.
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Hobie1

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Re: towing with F150
« Reply #26 on: September 07, 2018, 10:56:24 AM »
I tow a 5th wheel and boat with my 2016 F150 XLT Supercab 3.5L EcoBoost 2wdr with electronic locking rear 3.55 geared axle. Scaled it last Monday at 14,890 wet. I had no trouble on the interstate with cross winds, semis, or anything else. Truck handles it just fine. Speed limit is 70, I'm doing 60 and running about 1,700 rpm. I averaged around 11mpg fully loaded. When I jump up to 65mph I average 9.8mpg. I normally average 24.4 mpg on the interstate without trailers. I average 17mpg with just the boat doing the speed limit.   

My F150 also has a couple of the option packages, not max tow, just the towing package. Towing package comes with everything except the integrated brake controller and towing mirrors. Which means I had to add the Ford integrated brake controller and have the dealer activate it ($180). Plus I added aftermarket manual sliding towing mirrors, with electronic control, heated, and blinkers ($290). They came with puddle lights, however my truck didn't so those don't work.

My truck is rated at #6,900 GWR and #2,078 carrying capacity. I also have the factory running boards, spray in bed-liner, and box side steps. Truck with a full tank of gas (23 gallon), the wife, I, the dogs (shih Tzu's), Reese 5th wheel sliding hitch and all the aforementioned gear weighs #5,400. Leaves me with a max pin capacity of #1,500.

Crewcabs, higher trim packages, and 4x4 all reduce your carrying capacity. I walked the lot while they activated my controller and looked at a bunch of yellow door stickers. I seen 150's with higher GWR, yet they had lower carrying capacity. Most were 4x4, Crewcab short beds (5.5'). Mine is a Subercab with standard bed (6.5'). The only long beds where attached to regular cabs and I didn't check them out.

My tuck is rated for a maximum of 16,000 pounds. I'm well within my trucks limits and have no qualms about it handling my towing needs. My total length is 60', tip to tail. Illinois has one of the shortest length limits. However all Class I (Interstates) and Class II (State Highways) roads have no length restriction. It's the township, county roads, and cities that have the length restriction. There is an exception, you are allowed up to 5 miles off the Class I and Class II roads to get gas, reach your destination, and reach your campers permanent storage location.

I see no problem with a F150 for family, camping duties. I wouldn't use it for a full time RV lifestyle, but for the average Joe going on a week or two vacation with the family, weekends to the lake, and a daily driver back and forth to work. It'll meet your needs and save you expenses compared to 3/4 and up trucks.
thats really encouraging. do you have any issues retrieving boat on wet ramp? 2. do you recommend the integrated t-brake system compared to add-on after-market controller?
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Re: towing with F150
« Reply #27 on: September 08, 2018, 09:56:12 AM »
All of this is fine and dandy - however there us a,serious and deadly down side
I am not making this up to scare anyone

Last week i am visiting a customer who owns a wrecking and repair business. He is working on his truck as there is a power issue so we get to chatting.
Hes trying to get the truck running so he can do a recovery on a 30ft tt thats rolled into the ditch at the bottom of a hill
Truck was also rolled in the ditch F150
Asked what happened and the truck and trailer tried to stop for deer the trailer pushed the truck into the ditch and rolled them both
Family of 4 were all injured fortunately none seriously.
So i asked the question - how many of these do you see a year
Answer 8-10

Take it for what its worth.


A heavier truck may not have prevented this but the weight and bigger brakes, trans would have helped.
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Re: towing with F150
« Reply #28 on: September 08, 2018, 10:47:10 AM »
All of this is fine and dandy - however there us a,serious and deadly down side
I am not making this up to scare anyone

Last week i am visiting a customer who owns a wrecking and repair business. He is working on his truck as there is a power issue so we get to chatting.
Hes trying to get the truck running so he can do a recovery on a 30ft tt thats rolled into the ditch at the bottom of a hill
Truck was also rolled in the ditch F150
Asked what happened and the truck and trailer tried to stop for deer the trailer pushed the truck into the ditch and rolled them both
Family of 4 were all injured fortunately none seriously.
So i asked the question - how many of these do you see a year
Answer 8-10

Take it for what its worth.


A heavier truck may not have prevented this but the weight and bigger brakes, trans would have helped.

I agree 100%, I like to top out F150, Yukon, Suburbans, max size 25', weight arguments aside.  That 30tt was asking for it.  Maybe he didn't have his brakes set-up correctly on the TT and a heavier truck would have certainly helped. 

I remember once, I was pulling a 25' boat through the hills in TN, long decent to the lake, ceramic brakes on Yukon, at the bottom of the hill, I thought my boat was going to push me right off the loading ramp, wouldn't stop.  Talk about standing on the brake.  I did stop.  Them brakes smelled for a day.

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Re: towing with F150
« Reply #29 on: September 08, 2018, 11:48:36 AM »
with large combination vehicles...the trailer brakes stops the tow vehicle,  not the other way around

On a semi truck combo,  the trailer or trailers most always out weighs the tractor,     and it's pretty ugly when you lose trailer brakes.

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Re: towing with F150
« Reply #30 on: September 08, 2018, 12:35:12 PM »
with large combination vehicles...the trailer brakes stops the tow vehicle,  not the other way around

On a semi truck combo,  the trailer or trailers most always out weighs the tractor,     and it's pretty ugly when you lose trailer brakes.

Thats correct in fact most trucks dont have brakes on the steer axle BUT the trailer brakes on a commercial trailer are HUGE - on a pleasure trailer or Rv they are tiny little things and the tow vehicle does most if the braking
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Re: towing with F150
« Reply #31 on: September 08, 2018, 01:03:22 PM »
Thats correct in fact most trucks dont have brakes on the steer axle BUT the trailer brakes on a commercial trailer are HUGE - on a pleasure trailer or Rv they are tiny little things and the tow vehicle does most if the braking

Not around here.  (on a com. truck)  when you get pulled into scales for a random inspection you have to have properly adjusted brakes on the steer axle the same as all the other axles,  it's a fix-it or tow-it situation.

Many a driver has had to lay under his truck on a cold rainy day and adjusted up his brakes at scales.  We used to slack off on the front axles brakes if we knew we were gonna hit bad weather, but if you got caught at scales you ended up driving with wet pants.

 Trailer axles are engineered to have large enough brakes to stop the rated weight of the axles just in case of a disconnect.. 
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Re: towing with F150
« Reply #32 on: September 08, 2018, 04:56:01 PM »
All of this is fine and dandy - however there us a,serious and deadly down side
I am not making this up to scare anyone

Last week i am visiting a customer who owns a wrecking and repair business. He is working on his truck as there is a power issue so we get to chatting.
Hes trying to get the truck running so he can do a recovery on a 30ft tt thats rolled into the ditch at the bottom of a hill
Truck was also rolled in the ditch F150
Asked what happened and the truck and trailer tried to stop for deer the trailer pushed the truck into the ditch and rolled them both
Family of 4 were all injured fortunately none seriously.
So i asked the question - how many of these do you see a year
Answer 8-10

Take it for what its worth.


A heavier truck may not have prevented this but the weight and bigger brakes, trans would have helped.
heavier truck? watch this :   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Gqaqs66Yfs

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Re: towing with F150
« Reply #33 on: September 09, 2018, 04:46:25 AM »
We don't know if that semi was overweight or what happened exactly.  Too bad they filmed the scenery at just the wrong time.

Did that car even slow down?
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Re: towing with F150
« Reply #34 on: September 09, 2018, 10:08:46 AM »
that was likely an Empty trailer...not an overloaded trailer.

an empty trailer is far more dangerous in heavy winds.

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Re: towing with F150
« Reply #35 on: September 09, 2018, 11:34:20 AM »
i want to buy a TT 20'-30' and buying a 2018 F150 to tow it. the 2.7L ecoboost v6  towin cap rated to 7700lbs and the 3.5L is rated to 12,000lbs.  of course the 2.7L gets slightly better gas mileage. based on your RV experience, what would you recommend?

We have a 2014 F150 3.5 Ecoboost that tows our 25 footer like a dream. I'm happy with it and the fuel mileage even though it's the all steel version of the truck. I say go with the 3.5L, you will be happier.
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Re: towing with F150
« Reply #36 on: September 10, 2018, 07:25:09 AM »
We have a 2014 F150 3.5 Ecoboost that tows our 25 footer like a dream. I'm happy with it and the fuel mileage even though it's the all steel version of the truck. I say go with the 3.5L, you will be happier.

agree, for the minimal towing use you have, go for the 3.5 and max tow package.

once you get serious, then upgrade to a more capable truck.


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Re: towing with F150
« Reply #37 on: September 10, 2018, 08:39:14 AM »
agree, for the minimal towing use you have, go for the 3.5 and max tow package.

once you get serious, then upgrade to a more capable truck.

Yep...Go Freightliner or go home   :D

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Re: towing with F150
« Reply #38 on: September 10, 2018, 03:31:53 PM »
We have a 2014 F150 3.5 Ecoboost that tows our 25 footer like a dream. I'm happy with it and the fuel mileage even though it's the all steel version of the truck. I say go with the 3.5L, you will be happier.
Thanks for the heads-up. I made a short list with 3.5L and sent to a few dealers. seems the 2018 3.5L is in short supply. must be very popular for a reason

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Re: towing with F150
« Reply #39 on: September 10, 2018, 04:52:35 PM »
Thanks for the heads-up. I made a short list with 3.5L and sent to a few dealers. seems the 2018 3.5L is in short supply. must be very popular for a reason

Just go order exactly what you want... Then you'll be happy  :))  It's only money  ;)

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Re: towing with F150
« Reply #40 on: September 15, 2018, 09:43:48 AM »
found a 2018 F150 super crew with max towing pkg and yellow sticker states combined weight with passengers and cargo 1768 lbs and rear GAWR 3800lbs GVWR 6750lbs is that enough to tow a 25ft TT or toy hauler? (no ATV or motor vehicles)

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Re: towing with F150
« Reply #41 on: September 15, 2018, 10:03:34 AM »
found a 2018 F150 super crew with max towing pkg and yellow sticker states combined weight with passengers and cargo 1768 lbs and rear GAWR 3800lbs GVWR 6750lbs is that enough to tow a 25ft TT or toy hauler? (no ATV or motor vehicles)
So how much is the weight of the  stuff you going to put in or on the truck?
You, and how many passengers + tools+coolers+ whatever else goes in or on truck. Subtract that from 1768 and that will give you how much tongue weight you can theoretically  handle. So 10%-12%  of Gross trailer weight is placed on the tongue so the left over cargo capacity cannot be more than 12% of the gross trailer weight (not Net weight gross weight).
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Re: towing with F150
« Reply #42 on: September 15, 2018, 10:33:15 AM »
That's a loaded question  ;)
As Darsben says

Make yourself a list:
2-3 people   = _____ lbs
Fuel = _____lbs
Stuff, travel goods = ___lbs
Firewood  etc

How much GROSS will my trailer weigh?  Loaded question.  How much does my lawnmower weigh?  It depends what kind of lawnmower I have, right  ;)

TT at least, a realistic estimate.  We like to say we "Gross' out the trailer, I don't.  My dry is 4500lbs, totally loaded I'm close to 6000lbs

After you get trailer estimated, add the tongue weight in.

A 25' TT, no slides, ya, you can probably do it no problems.  Add slides, adds weight.  And I have no idea what a Toy Hauler weighs.



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Re: towing with F150
« Reply #43 on: September 15, 2018, 10:39:16 AM »
So how much is the weight of the  stuff you going to put in or on the truck?
You, and how many passengers + tools+coolers+ whatever else goes in or on truck. Subtract that from 1768 and that will give you how much tongue weight you can theoretically  handle. So 10%-12%  of Gross trailer weight is placed on the tongue so the left over cargo capacity cannot be more than 12% of the gross trailer weight (not Net weight gross weight).
assuming trailer is 3200lbs x 11% =352lbs   passengers (2) 360lbs,   cargo: mtn bikes 100lbs, cooler 25 lb, luggage 80lb, books, laptops,cameras,supplies: 100lbs, tools 50lbs  =1067lbs -1768 = 701lb
 or trailer at 5500lbs x 11% =605lbs    <  701lbs
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Re: towing with F150
« Reply #44 on: September 15, 2018, 10:46:59 AM »
Easy when you do the math
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Re: towing with F150
« Reply #45 on: September 15, 2018, 10:55:59 AM »
Easy when you do the math
the math is easy but determining the variables in the equation is challenging.

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Re: towing with F150
« Reply #46 on: September 15, 2018, 11:31:25 AM »
the math is easy but determining the variables in the equation is challenging.

You sound like Sheldon
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Re: towing with F150
« Reply #47 on: September 15, 2018, 01:08:14 PM »
assuming trailer is 3200lbs

That will be a 17' trailer.

Find one you would be seriously interested in, find the spec's, and do the math.  I hope the truck you found meets your needs

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Re: towing with F150
« Reply #48 on: September 15, 2018, 09:29:58 PM »
Your math appears correct.  Add the weight of EVERYTHING you will carry in the truck, including the WD hitch (80#).  If the mountain bikes, tools or luggage go in the camper, they do NOT count against your truck payload.  Make SURE  you use the camper GVWR for your hitch wt calculation, no matter what the salesman says!

You are well on your way to getting it done SAFELY!
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Re: towing with F150
« Reply #49 on: September 16, 2018, 06:55:05 PM »
Your math appears correct.  Add the weight of EVERYTHING you will carry in the truck, including the WD hitch (80#).  If the mountain bikes, tools or luggage go in the camper, they do NOT count against your truck payload.  Make SURE  you use the camper GVWR for your hitch wt calculation, no matter what the salesman says!

You are well on your way to getting it done SAFELY!
Thank you.  test drove a truck Saturday but dealer wasn't hungry and i wasn't thirsty.  still looking but narrowing it down. ;)

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Re: towing with F150
« Reply #50 on: September 17, 2018, 11:52:03 AM »
My brothernlaw is retired from Chrysler and gave me his control # to buy new 2019 at factory price. so switching to Dodge Ram 1500 maybe Longhorn Laramie trim. Any body have experience towing with Ram?

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Re: towing with F150
« Reply #51 on: September 17, 2018, 12:18:58 PM »
the Hemi is a great engine.

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Re: towing with F150
« Reply #52 on: September 17, 2018, 12:28:09 PM »
I drive a GMC Yukon, and aside from old Mopars, really not a fan of anything Dodge.  Having said that, I have heard nothing but good reviews out of the Dodge Trucks, and of I was in the market for a truck, I would certainly put them in the mix.  They seem to have higher payload available, everything.  And they seem to have a little better offering on the interior.

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Re: towing with F150
« Reply #53 on: September 17, 2018, 12:38:59 PM »
I drive a GMC Yukon, and aside from old Mopars, really not a fan of anything Dodge.  Having said that, I have heard nothing but good reviews out of the Dodge Trucks, and of I was in the market for a truck, I would certainly put them in the mix.  They seem to have higher payload available, everything.  And they seem to have a little better offering on the interior.
ive always liked GMC but they're not keeping up with tech, trany and interiors like Ford and Dodge. Dodge payload is around 1800+ and towing 7500+ on 1/2 ton and decent mpg 19-25
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Re: towing with F150
« Reply #54 on: September 20, 2018, 08:18:21 PM »
the Hemi is a great engine.
test drove Dodge Ram Long horn w/5.7L hemi and it was unbelievably quiet,soft and turned easily. sales guy is old, like me, and recommended the Hemi for towing especially going into mountains. said the V6 can do it but itll be a strain at 6k-12k ft altitude. so leaning toward the little V8

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Re: towing with F150
« Reply #55 on: September 21, 2018, 06:50:00 AM »
test drove Dodge Ram Long horn w/5.7L hemi and it was unbelievably quiet,soft and turned easily. sales guy is old, like me, and recommended the Hemi for towing especially going into mountains. said the V6 can do it but itll be a strain at 6k-12k ft altitude. so leaning toward the little V8

I'm a V8 guy myself   :))

Sounds good, what kind of Tow ability and payload does it have? 

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Re: towing with F150
« Reply #56 on: September 26, 2018, 06:19:34 PM »
PULLED THE TRIGGER...2019 Ram longhorn 4x2 5.7L Hemi e-torq (hybrid electric stop and start), 8 speed trans, 22in rims, tows up to 9000 lbs and payload 1740lbs with all the bells and high tech whistles, integrated trailer brake controller, backup camera with hitch assist. love the roomy leather interior.  now have to go spend kids inheritance to buy compatible TT,

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Re: towing with F150
« Reply #57 on: September 27, 2018, 06:49:48 AM »
PULLED THE TRIGGER...2019 Ram longhorn 4x2 5.7L Hemi e-torq (hybrid electric stop and start), 8 speed trans, 22in rims, tows up to 9000 lbs and payload 1740lbs with all the bells and high tech whistles, integrated trailer brake controller, backup camera with hitch assist. love the roomy leather interior.  now have to go spend kids inheritance to buy compatible TT,

Congrats, sounds really nice.  And do spend plenty of the kids inheritance, you earned it  :))