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NAVYCWO

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Re: Need help choosing TV
« Reply #30 on: September 22, 2018, 07:02:08 PM »
Old Gator makes a very important point!!!

A 1 ton SRW truck, compared to its' ton cousin is essentially identical size with essentially identical option lists and option costs.  For a new F350, the cost is only about $1200 more.  You get an extra 1200# Payload, comparing identically equipped units.  When towing a FW, this is a CRITICAL difference.

For a 15,000# GVWR  FW, you have about 3000# pin wt, plus the weight of passengers and a hitch and cargo.  A typical ton truck, nicely equipped will have a payload around 2300#.  The identical 1 ton  SRW truck will have a 3500# payload.  The ton is grossly overloaded.  The 1 ton is okay if you watch your weights carefully.

By comparison a 13,000 TT (a BIG TT), the hitch wt is only 1600#, and the ton truck is big enough.

Remember, the ton and 1 ton SRW are the same size with the same engine, transmission and rear end options.  As far as a daily driver, there is no difference.

Great points! I was researching the 2019 models just for the sake of looking at what the different options bring and how much those options affect the max payload and here is what I found:

F150 anywhere between 1485# to 2311#
F250 3288# to 4315#
F350 3761# to 7027#

Maybe Im missing something, but it looks like the F250 does have way more capacity than 2300#

grashley

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Re: Need help choosing TV
« Reply #31 on: September 23, 2018, 07:26:18 PM »
Being very familiar with the Ford site, I can tell you those payload numbers  are not completely accurate.  They are correct for the specific configuration in XL trim and NO OPTIONS!  Note that it shows the same Payload for the XL trim as it does for Lariat trim.  NOT TRUE!  They are helpful, but not exact by any means!

By definition, Payload = Truck GVWR minus Curb weight (weight of truck with options)
The charts and web site use Payload = GVWR minus BASE WT (Truck with NO OPTIONS)

Stop past a dealer and look at the yellow placard to see what the real Payload is.

Note that a F150 with the Max payload option can push the Payload over 3000# for reg cab XL and XLT (or at least it did in prior years)

I would be very happy to be proven wrong.  On my '13 F350, the charts said my payload was 3990#  My yellow placard says 3453#
Preacher Gordon, DW Debbie
09 Grand Junction 35 TMS  Progressive HW50C
Andersen Ultimate hitch
2013 F350 Lariat LB SRW Supercab diesel 4X4   TST TMS  Garmin 760
Nimrod Series 70 popup (sold)
It's not a dumb question if you do not know the answer.

NAVYCWO

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Re: Need help choosing TV
« Reply #32 on: September 23, 2018, 07:48:02 PM »
Being very familiar with the Ford site, I can tell you those payload numbers  are not completely accurate.  They are correct for the specific configuration in XL trim and NO OPTIONS!  Note that it shows the same Payload for the XL trim as it does for Lariat trim.  NOT TRUE!  They are helpful, but not exact by any means!

By definition, Payload = Truck GVWR minus Curb weight (weight of truck with options)
The charts and web site use Payload = GVWR minus BASE WT (Truck with NO OPTIONS)

Stop past a dealer and look at the yellow placard to see what the real Payload is.

Note that a F150 with the Max payload option can push the Payload over 3000# for reg cab XL and XLT (or at least it did in prior years)

I would be very happy to be proven wrong.  On my '13 F350, the charts said my payload was 3990#  My yellow placard says 3453#

I will definetly be on the look out for the yellow placards. This numbers came from a nice towing ghuide Ford released for the 2019 models. In such guide, they list trims, as well as different engines, transmisions, and axles showing the different options. Obviously the numbers vary in between, but they are a good point of reference on this newer models, best of the class as they say, haha. Either way, we will be getting a 3500 of some sort, have also started looking at Ram and Silverado as well, comparing options, prices and most importantly payloads, since no matter what the max payload on the F250 is, it will always be better to have some safety cushion. thanks again!

grashley

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Re: Need help choosing TV
« Reply #33 on: September 24, 2018, 06:54:06 PM »
Check the foot notes on that nice towing guide.

Yes, it is a good reference, but it is not the last word!

Enjoy the shopping!  Drive all 3 and get the one the wife likes best  ;)
Preacher Gordon, DW Debbie
09 Grand Junction 35 TMS  Progressive HW50C
Andersen Ultimate hitch
2013 F350 Lariat LB SRW Supercab diesel 4X4   TST TMS  Garmin 760
Nimrod Series 70 popup (sold)
It's not a dumb question if you do not know the answer.

NAVYCWO

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Re: Need help choosing TV
« Reply #34 on: September 24, 2018, 07:21:14 PM »
Check the foot notes on that nice towing guide.

Yes, it is a good reference, but it is not the last word!

Enjoy the shopping!  Drive all 3 and get the one the wife likes best  ;)
haha NAH, she already picked the FW she likes, so I'm picking the truck i want!! LOL, by the way the one she really likes is the Sandpiper 372LOK, she fell inlove with it, so guess thats what we are getting.

brclark82

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Re: Need help choosing TV
« Reply #35 on: September 27, 2018, 08:26:13 AM »
haha NAH, she already picked the FW she likes, so I'm picking the truck i want!! LOL, by the way the one she really likes is the Sandpiper 372LOK, she fell inlove with it, so guess thats what we are getting.

The Sandpiper 372LOK is an awesome layout and seems like its good quality.  Its on our list of finalists too and we've been in one on a dealer lot twice now.  If it wasn't about $5k above what we said our absolute max budget was we would have already bought it.

FYI, if you are going with that unit GET A DRW!  I am not part of the "get a Peterbilt to tow a popup" crowd that definitely hangs around here, but that trailer is HEAVY and tall. 

You've entered 5th wheel territory as opposed to bumper pull so pin weight % increases significantly.