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About Dish TV?
« on: October 09, 2018, 03:04:02 PM »
As a new subscriber after 13 years with DirecTV, Iím finding Dish TV can be very frustrating. I am using a Dish Tailgater antenna and a Wally receiver. I have connected the coax directly to the receiver, and have connected it to the coach connection. Sometimes I get a signal, but most times not. The Check Switch, Acquiring Satellite Signal, Downloading Guide delays are quite time consuming when trying to determine the cause of not locking on to a satellite.

At the present time, when I check the satellites using the Diagnostics screen, all three satellites are shown as ďlockedĒ with signal strength in the 40ís, yet Iím unable to view HD TV! The Guide lists the expected channels, yet when selected I get the error screen.

I use an iPhone app called Winegard Satellite Pointer (AR View) to check for obstructions that could block the view, and even though there is a clear view of the southern sky, most times the antenna will not lock on to the satellite.

Iíve changed coax cables, (purchased new high-quality ones) short cables, long cables, elevated the antenna, moved the antenna, ensured the connection was tight Ė all with mixed results. Most times after many changes with the ^&^*(%$ The Check Switch, Acquiring Satellite Signal, Downloading Guide I still get the screen to unplug, resulting in the check Switch, etc. again.

Calling Dish Customer Service is a waste of time, since they always collect all the pertinent information and then tell me to unplug the receiver and replug. Of course this puts me in the long boot-up Check Switch, etc. routine ending with the same situation. Iím about to pull my hair out, except that I have none!

Is this normal system operation?

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Re: About Dish TV?
« Reply #1 on: October 09, 2018, 03:20:51 PM »
Do you know anyone with a working Dish dish setup that might let you borrow a connection temporarily? That would at least isolate whether it's Dish Wally problem or a King Tailgater problem.
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Re: About Dish TV?
« Reply #2 on: October 09, 2018, 03:22:53 PM »
What's your location?
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Re: About Dish TV?
« Reply #3 on: October 09, 2018, 04:29:02 PM »
Good idea, New York Dutch.

As for my location, i'm in Glendale, AZ
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Re: About Dish TV?
« Reply #4 on: October 09, 2018, 07:23:39 PM »
Connected coax directly to Wally, and after all the boot-up gyrations Dish goes through, I got a good HD signal. Reconnected to coach connector, no HD signal. Found a coupler that seems to be worn. (the left one in the photo) Replaced coupler, and TV reception is normal.

Itís only theory, but itís my theory:

Though the Diagnostic screen displayed 3 birds acquired, with satisfactory signal, and the Guide listed my channels, only SD signals would display. Most times, the 129 satellite would not lock. My theory is that HD places a larger demand on the coax, so a loose connection can cause problems. The worn coupler just wouldnít make a good connection every time.
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Re: About Dish TV?
« Reply #5 on: October 09, 2018, 07:58:09 PM »
I am a bit north, but heading your way,  I too was a Direct subscriber for 13 years, (how did you like the we want to keep you spiel?), I switched to the TG and Wally.  Had a bunch of issues initially, have the OTA dongle and it maoinly needed a softeware update, after that happened overnight everything worked well.  I connected to the cable connection in my Elec bay, then searched it out in the electronics cabinet, pretty much makes the whole switch box unnecessary. 

  Once we get out of here and all the craziness of moving back to full time mode, 'll figure out how to pull it and reuse the space. 

Not even sure I want the built in inverter, not that likely to use it.

but that is a story for another thread.
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Re: About Dish TV?
« Reply #6 on: October 09, 2018, 08:26:28 PM »
It does look like "Case closed", Red. Glad you got it sorted out!
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Re: About Dish TV?
« Reply #7 on: October 09, 2018, 08:36:33 PM »
I connected to the cable connection in my Elec bay, then searched it out in the electronics cabinet, pretty much makes the whole switch box unnecessary. 

I did the same, but found I need to keep the OTA antenna amplifier.
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Re: About Dish TV?
« Reply #8 on: October 09, 2018, 08:45:16 PM »
Well, where we are, there is no OTA TV, so I figured I would just wait till we got to another area.  I suppose I could try it, but getting my head up in that area is a bear. 

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Re: About Dish TV?
« Reply #9 on: October 09, 2018, 09:03:50 PM »
Will the Tailgater scan 360 deg?  I want to mount mine, but if you were parked facing north, could it find sats to south?  I'll figure it out when I have more time, by setting it 180 deg out, but just wondering if anyone knows?
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Re: About Dish TV?
« Reply #10 on: October 09, 2018, 10:02:12 PM »
As I recall, the Tailgater instructions say to point the handle roughly north. I expect that's to keep the available rotational range in the general direction of the Dish western arc satellites.
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Re: About Dish TV?
« Reply #11 on: October 10, 2018, 07:57:17 AM »
It does look like "Case closed", Red. Glad you got it sorted out!

Wish it were, Dutch.

Worked fine last evening. Turned off, nothing touched. Turned on this morning, same BS.
Where I had signal strength in the 40ís on all three birds yesterday, this morning all channels are in SD, and signal strength is in the 20ís with a clear sky. (Itís Arizona ya know) 😜

Wish I knew something about satellite TV.
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Re: About Dish TV?
« Reply #12 on: October 10, 2018, 09:19:58 AM »
Will the Tailgater scan 360 deg?  I want to mount mine, but if you were parked facing north, could it find sats to south?  I'll figure it out when I have more time, by setting it 180 deg out, but just wondering if anyone knows?

It is not 360.  I have one mounted on the roof of my RV with the optional roof mount.  A couple times I have had to go up on the roof "pop" it out of the mount and turn it around 180, because the RV site had us pointed north east.  I would say that it is closer to 300+ish (not an exact measurement)

Other thoughts.  First, have you downloaded the app (or called) to update your actual location.  Dish uses different spot beams, maybe yours is attempting to use an incorrect spot beam,  Second, you replaced a connector and it temporarily fixed the problem.  I would recommend zero connectors, if possible.  Run the cable directly from the tailgater to the receiver, with as short as needed as possible.  I am currently using a 50ft cable directly, there is signal loss and it takes longer to change channels or do anything concerning the tailgater (like switch checks, program guide downloads, daily maintenance)
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Re: About Dish TV?
« Reply #13 on: October 10, 2018, 06:55:17 PM »
That was not me with the connector.  Now a question, options roof mount?  I'll have to look for that.  Found it.  So, this can allow you to reposition?  Nice.  That was the one concern I had about roof mounting, that there would be an issue with the direction I was parked in.



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Re: About Dish TV?
« Reply #14 on: October 11, 2018, 08:16:10 AM »
Yes, I like the roof mount.  I have on a couple of occasions went up to "pop" it out of the mount and turn it around, and I think twice put in a connector to put it somewhere else on the roof.  I carry various lengths of cable gathered over time (6, 10, 25, 35, 50, and 100 ft).  I think the first time I added the 10ft to move the Dish a little further back and face in a different direction, and the second time I used to 25ft to do the same.
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Re: About Dish TV?
« Reply #15 on: October 11, 2018, 09:31:43 AM »
Are you using the quick release or the screw down pads? 
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Re: About Dish TV?
« Reply #16 on: October 12, 2018, 07:51:15 AM »
Having had 2 months totally unsatisfactory experience now with Dish TV and a portable Dish Tailgater antenna in numerous locations, (see my original post) I'm of the opinion that I need a better antenna. After doing a bit of research, I'm thinking about the Winegard Pathway X2 due to the larger antenna reflector size, the ability to connect to 2 TV's, plus the ability to acquire either the Western or Eastern arc satellites.
Would appreciate any pro or con comments, or your recommendations.

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Re: About Dish TV?
« Reply #17 on: October 12, 2018, 09:03:59 AM »
Are you using the quick release or the screw down pads?

Quick release. Sorry to hijack this thread.
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Re: About Dish TV?
« Reply #18 on: October 12, 2018, 09:25:48 AM »
Having had 2 months totally unsatisfactory experience now with Dish TV and a portable Dish Tailgater antenna in numerous locations, (see my original post) I'm of the opinion that I need a better antenna. After doing a bit of research, I'm thinking about the Winegard Pathway X2 due to the larger antenna reflector size, the ability to connect to 2 TV's, plus the ability to acquire either the Western or Eastern arc satellites.
Would appreciate any pro or con comments, or your recommendations.

From what I've seen in various parks, the Pathway X2 is definitely a better choice over the Tailgater. Personally, I use a manually aimed tripod mounted open face triple LNB dish that I can switch from one arc to the other for the best line of sight. None of the domes will work with our Dish Hoppers anyway, and the roof mounted Trav'ler type automatics are too limiting for the types of parks we prefer with lots of trees. My setup and aiming time is usually less than 15 minutes.
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Re: About Dish TV?
« Reply #19 on: October 12, 2018, 09:31:20 AM »
The Pathway X2 is better but frankly nothing beats a full size Manual DISH with a triple LNB for DISH You get all 3 sats (You need two different LNB's for eastern and western I think but am not sure.   Just the electronic part).  once locked on you can watch 2 3 4 different shows (up to 8 on most setups even more with advanced setups) scattered about al 3 satelittes all at the same time (OK, watch 2 and record 2)  NO other type of antenna (Other than an automatic rooftop dish) can do that.
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Re: About Dish TV?
« Reply #20 on: October 12, 2018, 10:54:41 AM »
I am pleased with the Pathway X2. Easy to set up and because it gets the eastern arc,  I can usually get satellite where the western arc is blocked by trees or buildings.   We don't record tv, so that's not important to us. The most difficult thing for me is dealing with the 3-legged platform (A separate option) to get it level.
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Re: About Dish TV?
« Reply #21 on: October 12, 2018, 12:52:00 PM »
I am pleased with the Pathway X2. Easy to set up and because it gets the eastern arc,  I can usually get satellite where the western arc is blocked by trees or buildings.   We don't record tv, so that's not important to us. The most difficult thing for me is dealing with the 3-legged platform (A separate option) to get it level.

The Pathway only needs to be within 3 degrees of level, not dead on...
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Re: About Dish TV?
« Reply #22 on: October 12, 2018, 09:24:36 PM »
From what I have heard, read, and seen, the Travelller seems to be a great option, however, the difference on cost vs. the tailgater, makes it not worth my investment.  So far, for us, the tailgater has worked OK.  But I am only on my 1st relocation.  I will know better as we travel.  I just moved from Idaho to Utah, set the dome down, changed the state and while it took awhile, boom reception.  I am going to check the OTA search soon, have had no luck so far though.  Here I know the channels and direction.

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Re: About Dish TV?
« Reply #23 on: October 23, 2018, 09:24:37 PM »
From what I've seen in various parks, the Pathway X2 is definitely a better choice over the Tailgater. Personally, I use a manually aimed tripod mounted open face triple LNB dish that I can switch from one arc to the other for the best line of sight. None of the domes will work with our Dish Hoppers anyway, and the roof mounted Trav'ler type automatics are too limiting for the types of parks we prefer with lots of trees. My setup and aiming time is usually less than 15 minutes.

Just starting to get up to speed with the various Dish options & terminology. As I understand it, a Dish "Hopper" is the DVR component of a Dish Satellite TV system. And the Dish "Joey" is a device that can communicate with the Hopper? I'm thinking it's equivalent to the TiVo system we use at home where the TiVo Bolt is the DVR and the Tivo Minis are devices that can be added to access the content on the Bolt via an IP connection.

One absolute given in my search for a suitable Dish system is a DVR as I want to be able to record and watch at my convenience and I definitely do not ever want to watch all those dreadful commercials! I do like the option to be able to move the antenna around to find the best position so a tripod system would seem to be a good option there-- especially if none of the domes work with a Dish DVR?

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Re: About Dish TV?
« Reply #24 on: October 24, 2018, 01:52:42 AM »
As I understand it, a Dish "Hopper" is the DVR component of a Dish Satellite TV system. And the Dish "Joey" is a device that can communicate with the Hopper?
Yep. TV programs can be scheduled for recording and played back using a Hopper or a Joey. A Hopper can be used all by itself, but Joeys cannot and need to be tied to a Hopper.


One absolute given in my search for a suitable Dish system is a DVR as I want to be able to record and watch at my convenience and I definitely do not ever want to watch all those dreadful commercials!
Then you want a Hopper, in particular a Hopper 3. Also, Hoppers allow you to use the PTAT (Prime Time Any Time) feature to record all the prime time network TV shows (ABC, CBS, NBC, and Fox). Finally, I believe most of the shows are recording using AutoHop which skips over all the commercials.


I do like the option to be able to move the antenna around to find the best position so a tripod system would seem to be a good option there-- especially if none of the domes work with a Dish DVR?
Hoppers will only work with a rooftop Winegard Travler or an open-faced dish on a tripod.
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Re: About Dish TV?
« Reply #25 on: October 24, 2018, 08:24:55 AM »
 general guide to Satellite antennas......

For any given band (And there are several) the bigger the REFLECTOR (The dish part of the antenna) the better the Reflector as it can gather more signal.  Kind of like a reflector telescope (not kind of. exactly like).

"Automatic" antennas. Domes. Cubes and I'm not sure what I'd call the Pathway's.. Tend to be smaller (The pathway X2 is the largest portable automatic far as I know) can see ONE bird at a time. (Bird = Sattalite) and DISH uses 3

A manual Tripod mounted DISH (or a roof mounted DISH) can have 3 LNB's so it sees all 3 birds at one time. WIth multi-program recording or multiple receivers you need to see all three.  Else you get conflicts.
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Re: About Dish TV?
« Reply #26 on: October 24, 2018, 08:33:30 AM »
When we had only one TV in our trailer, we used a portable Pathways antenna and a low level receiver. With the motorhome having multiple TVs, we ended up with a roof mounted traveler and two Wally receivers. I was disappointed to learn the ďrecord by name of programĒ system didnít work with PBS, my prime recording source so we havenít worried about a DVR. I do love the ease of the traveler antenna though it takes a lot of power when boondocking.
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Re: About Dish TV?
« Reply #27 on: October 24, 2018, 08:19:14 PM »
Great info, thanks! I'm fast becoming a Dish expert. Yeah, right...  ::)

Couple of additional questions:

Storage: assuming the open face/tripod turns out to be the best option, how does it break down for storage when traveling? I assume it all can fit in a larger storage bin under the coach?

Security: How much danger is there that a tripod mounted Dish would "wander off" in the middle of the night-- assuming it's left outside? Wouldn't want to have to take down and put back up for a multiple day stay for example? I think 99.999% of campers are trustworthy but of course it only takes one-- or perhaps a non-camper wandering through...


Yep. TV programs can be scheduled for recording and played back using a Hopper or a Joey. A Hopper can be used all by itself, but Joeys cannot and need to be tied to a Hopper.

Then you want a Hopper, in particular a Hopper 3. Also, Hoppers allow you to use the PTAT (Prime Time Any Time) feature to record all the prime time network TV shows (ABC, CBS, NBC, and Fox). Finally, I believe most of the shows are recording using AutoHop which skips over all the commercials.

Hoppers will only work with a rooftop Winegard Travler or an open-faced dish on a tripod.

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Re: About Dish TV?
« Reply #28 on: October 24, 2018, 10:06:47 PM »
I modified our dish by replacing the assembly and adjustment hex nuts with large wing nuts for a no tools assembly and adjustment. For storage, I just remove the reflector from the LNB arm and mount, and of course remove the mount from the collapsible tripod.


I expect the expensive automatic dishes would be more of a theft target than common open face dishes, but I've not heard of either one being stolen in our extensive travels or on any of the RV forums.



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Re: About Dish TV?
« Reply #29 on: October 24, 2018, 10:07:13 PM »
Storage: assuming the open face/tripod turns out to be the best option, how does it break down for storage when traveling? I assume it all can fit in a larger storage bin under the coach?
Depends on how big your storage bin is.

I suggest you get a 1000.2 dish with a folding LNB arm:
- https://www.tv4rv.com/sunshop/index.php?l=product_detail&p=95
- https://www.tv4rv.com/sunshop/index.php?l=product_detail&p=100

Plus, buy a quality tripod:
- https://www.tv4rv.com/sunshop/index.php?l=product_detail&p=7


Security: How much danger is there that a tripod mounted Dish would "wander off" in the middle of the night-- assuming it's left outside?
Been setting up tripods for several years . . . none stolen yet.

There's more of a risk of someone bumping into it or worse, the wind blowing it over. I use a 5-gallon plastic gas can filled with water (about 40 pounds). I used to use a 5-gallon bucket, but they don't hold up . . . the plastic holding the handle breaks in time:

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