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Hello, I am new to the board. We are a near term buyers. I realize the Diesel Engines produce far more Torque Production, and will be better suited for towing and hauling getting over the mountain ranges out west, but is that really true with the Tiffin Breeze 275 HP diesel? I am not locked in on Tiffin Breeze, but just using their brochures to pull specs from. I want adequate performance and reasonable cost of operation from a fuel consumption stand point. I am not 100% locked in on Diesel, but am leaning that way.
Criteria is we prefer something not too old under 10 years max if we are going diesel, with full fiberglass roof. I am intrigued by both Tiffin, and especially Newmar products. I would also welcome comments on good current MFGs of Motor homes. We are not going to be able to get in crazy luxury $$ ranges on our purchases. We definitely want to limit the length to 30'-35' to keep most camp sites in play / visiting potential, and at a high end spend no more than $140K TT&L included as a out the door price. The only options we will not budge on is a King Size Bed and Washer Dryer hook up potential.
/// My BIGGEST question / concern is after reading the Tiffin brochures is the Torque production of the Diesel?s 275 HP diesel adequate? Should a 340HP Cummings be the entry level performance specs potential Diesel Pusher buyers be considering?
Can somebody describe the reality I would be experiencing going up a Big Hill out west crossing Mountain ranges towing my Mazda CX-5 with a 275 HP Diesel as opposed to Gas V10? Will I be praying somebody won't slam into my rear on my ascent?
Please, let me hear the feedback from V10 owners. Is their buyers Remorse? What are you towing and tell me about those trips over the mountains. Are you super disappointed in your fuel cost operation?
I have a 2018 Mazda CV-5, FWD, curb weight is approx 3650 LBS. It can be dolly towed.
For towing I plan on purchasing (EZE Car Dolly, MFG by Acme Tow Dolly out of NC), I understand the transaxle FWD of my Mazda will not allow a 4 wheel on the ground tow or it will trash the transmissions. I can't find the Tow Dolly weight on their site. (Guessing 650 LBs ????)
//Should I get something like a smart car instead as the TOAD? I hate to get rid of the paid off Mazda.
Tow limits at 5000 LBs seem to be popular among specs. With my Madza tipping the scales at 3600 + unknown weight of Tow Dolly it seems I am nearing max capacity which I know can?t be a good thing. Are gas MH owners crazy for towing cars behind in the first place?
Factoring in gear, Towing weights and fluid weights is confusing.
We are not pack rats and don?t plan on loading the home down like the Beverly Hillbillies, we are average weight and size people (190 lb-120 lb).
We don't have outside adventure toys, and won?t buy any. Probably limit the basement equip to a small BBQ pit and the normal maintenance crap one would have in the basements.
Is the V10 the I am going camping on the weekend 200 miles from the house and returning on Sunday? Are USA travelers idiots loading up a V10 and heading out on a coast to coast journey?
With cost of operation, purchasing Gas or Diesel, I am trying to decide if lack of power with the Gas is a show stopper, or am I burning twice the gas negating fuel savings cost? Am I going to trash the V10 driving it from sea to Shining sea and back? I am not in a hurry to get anywhere. I plan on spending 30-45 days in areas crossing the country. We are going to rent the sticks and brick house and hit the road
Does the Ford V10 hold have a track record of being a solid performer? I fully understand the Diesel is superior but is the 275 HP diesel live up to that standard?
I pulled the below specs from brochures on the Tiffin Website
LEFT SIDE: Diesel Breeze (31' and 33')--- --vs?RIGHT: Gas (Open Road Allegro shows 32, 34', 36 variety)
//Engine: ISV5.0 /275 Cummings --vs-- Ford 6.8 V10
// 560 Peak Torque --vs--460 Peak Torque at 3000 RPM
// Gross Vehicle Weight Rating: 24,500 on 33' diesel --vs?26,000 on the 34? gas
// Gross Combined Weight Rating: 29,000 diesel --vs-- 30,000
Bottom Line:
Looking at these numbers the breeze?s Diesel engine at 275 HP is this a Diesel I would want to stay away from if I am going to be a Diesel Buyer? Should I be considering a 340 HP Cummings as the Low end of the performance bar at 340 HP in the diesel category, or is this 275 HP model of diesel equivalent to Gas V10 specs and is designed to match out of pocket operating costs of the Gas V10 models?
Hoping to get some responses out of V10 owners, Breeze Owners, and V10 gas owners where they describe their experiences, towing vehicles crossing those mountain ranges.
Also hope I can get some feedback from Gary RV_Wizard and other MH Pros that frequently post.
I do realize the questions are a bit much.
Happy Holidays to All.
JD
Criteria is we prefer something not too old under 10 years max if we are going diesel, with full fiberglass roof. I am intrigued by both Tiffin, and especially Newmar products. I would also welcome comments on good current MFGs of Motor homes. We are not going to be able to get in crazy luxury $$ ranges on our purchases. We definitely want to limit the length to 30'-35' to keep most camp sites in play / visiting potential, and at a high end spend no more than $140K TT&L included as a out the door price. The only options we will not budge on is a King Size Bed and Washer Dryer hook up potential.
/// My BIGGEST question / concern is after reading the Tiffin brochures is the Torque production of the Diesel?s 275 HP diesel adequate? Should a 340HP Cummings be the entry level performance specs potential Diesel Pusher buyers be considering?
Can somebody describe the reality I would be experiencing going up a Big Hill out west crossing Mountain ranges towing my Mazda CX-5 with a 275 HP Diesel as opposed to Gas V10? Will I be praying somebody won't slam into my rear on my ascent?
Please, let me hear the feedback from V10 owners. Is their buyers Remorse? What are you towing and tell me about those trips over the mountains. Are you super disappointed in your fuel cost operation?
I have a 2018 Mazda CV-5, FWD, curb weight is approx 3650 LBS. It can be dolly towed.
For towing I plan on purchasing (EZE Car Dolly, MFG by Acme Tow Dolly out of NC), I understand the transaxle FWD of my Mazda will not allow a 4 wheel on the ground tow or it will trash the transmissions. I can't find the Tow Dolly weight on their site. (Guessing 650 LBs ????)
//Should I get something like a smart car instead as the TOAD? I hate to get rid of the paid off Mazda.
Tow limits at 5000 LBs seem to be popular among specs. With my Madza tipping the scales at 3600 + unknown weight of Tow Dolly it seems I am nearing max capacity which I know can?t be a good thing. Are gas MH owners crazy for towing cars behind in the first place?
Factoring in gear, Towing weights and fluid weights is confusing.
We are not pack rats and don?t plan on loading the home down like the Beverly Hillbillies, we are average weight and size people (190 lb-120 lb).
We don't have outside adventure toys, and won?t buy any. Probably limit the basement equip to a small BBQ pit and the normal maintenance crap one would have in the basements.
Is the V10 the I am going camping on the weekend 200 miles from the house and returning on Sunday? Are USA travelers idiots loading up a V10 and heading out on a coast to coast journey?
With cost of operation, purchasing Gas or Diesel, I am trying to decide if lack of power with the Gas is a show stopper, or am I burning twice the gas negating fuel savings cost? Am I going to trash the V10 driving it from sea to Shining sea and back? I am not in a hurry to get anywhere. I plan on spending 30-45 days in areas crossing the country. We are going to rent the sticks and brick house and hit the road
Does the Ford V10 hold have a track record of being a solid performer? I fully understand the Diesel is superior but is the 275 HP diesel live up to that standard?
I pulled the below specs from brochures on the Tiffin Website
LEFT SIDE: Diesel Breeze (31' and 33')--- --vs?RIGHT: Gas (Open Road Allegro shows 32, 34', 36 variety)
//Engine: ISV5.0 /275 Cummings --vs-- Ford 6.8 V10
// 560 Peak Torque --vs--460 Peak Torque at 3000 RPM
// Gross Vehicle Weight Rating: 24,500 on 33' diesel --vs?26,000 on the 34? gas
// Gross Combined Weight Rating: 29,000 diesel --vs-- 30,000
Bottom Line:
Looking at these numbers the breeze?s Diesel engine at 275 HP is this a Diesel I would want to stay away from if I am going to be a Diesel Buyer? Should I be considering a 340 HP Cummings as the Low end of the performance bar at 340 HP in the diesel category, or is this 275 HP model of diesel equivalent to Gas V10 specs and is designed to match out of pocket operating costs of the Gas V10 models?
Hoping to get some responses out of V10 owners, Breeze Owners, and V10 gas owners where they describe their experiences, towing vehicles crossing those mountain ranges.
Also hope I can get some feedback from Gary RV_Wizard and other MH Pros that frequently post.
I do realize the questions are a bit much.
Happy Holidays to All.
JD