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Toad shopping
« on: January 10, 2019, 06:37:10 PM »
I'm ready to buy my toad! I'll be using a tow dolly so I know I need front wheel drive. I've settled on a used Dodge Journey. Other than making sure it's fwd, is there anything I need to look for beyond what I would look for on any other car? Anything tow specific or things to keep in mind for someone who has never towed a car before? Thanks!
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Re: Toad shopping
« Reply #1 on: January 10, 2019, 08:14:39 PM »
Why do you want to dolly tow???  Most folks who have done both  much prefer flat tow, or 4 down tow.  It is easier and quicker to connect and disconnect and there is no dolly to find someplace to store while parked.

According to Remco, ALL 2018 Dodge Journey models, including AWD, are towable 4 down with a lube pump.   

  http://www.remcotowing.com/Towing/Store.php

Simply stated, the problem with some models being towed is the transmission gears get turned by the drive axle without getting proper lubrication.  Result: transmission destroyed.  You can add (have your mechanic install) a "Lube Pump Kit Assy"  ($1800 at Remco) to the Journey and safely tow 4 down.

The link above lists everything you need to tow the car 4 down.  While this is quality stuff, you may find other options you like better at lower prices.

I like the      http://www.readybrake.com     This combines the tow bar and the toad brake in one package.  You install the toad brakes once.  Then, when you connect the toad, simply clip two cables (primary and safety ) to the tow bar and the brakes are ready to go.
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Re: Toad shopping
« Reply #2 on: January 10, 2019, 08:25:03 PM »
Thanks for the info, but I'm looking to know if there is anything I need to look for in the car above and beyond what I would look for in a car not being towed.

I am going to be using a tow dolly, not towing 4 down. My reasons for it are 1- I don't want to spend the money on installing the necessary equipment to tow 4 down. 2- I will only be towing for 10 months and then selling the motorhome while keeping the car to drive.
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Re: Toad shopping
« Reply #3 on: January 10, 2019, 08:31:42 PM »
Cost could be part of the issue. She may already have the dolly, or a line on a reasonably priced one. $1800 for lube pump,  then a baseplate and installation of same, towbar, lighting system safety cables, brake device, breakaway, etc. It all adds up quick. $1800 buys a new dolly with lights and brakes. Hook up, plug in, load up and go. Just have to remember to check the straps.

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Re: Toad shopping
« Reply #4 on: January 10, 2019, 10:18:27 PM »
http://www.remcotowing.com/Towing/Store.php   

That site will tell you what you may need for any car.

Do you already own a dolly?
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Re: Toad shopping
« Reply #5 on: January 10, 2019, 10:29:22 PM »
http://www.remcotowing.com/Towing/Store.php   

That site will tell you what you may need for any car.

Do you already own a dolly?
Thank you, I'll check that out!
I do not own one yet.
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Re: Toad shopping
« Reply #6 on: January 10, 2019, 10:45:42 PM »
There will be times when you are going to have to push that trailer around the RV park by hand so I'd suggest when looking to buy one that you push it around the sales lot.

Also find out if the wheel bearings need maintenance after X amount of miles.

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Re: Toad shopping
« Reply #7 on: January 11, 2019, 10:15:54 AM »
I can certainly understand the desire to save money, will respectfully suggest that you will really regret using a tow dolly for a trip like yours. You will be stopping frequently and I suspect often late in the evening. A tow dolly is simply a PITA and you will grow to hate it.

The modifications to pull four down do not negatively affect the vehicle in normal use and the cost may well be recovered on resale, particularly in a package sale with the mh. Also, they need not be that expensive:

a. A used tow bar probably $250; plenty of time to shop.
b. Modular braking system less than $1000; no installation except breakaway.
c. Lighting ~$50 for magnetic base lights.
d. Base plate installed SB about $5-600.
The above totals perhaps $500 more than a tow dolly; money very well spent!

As to your original question, there are no characteristics unique to most vehicles dolly towed. Do check the owner's manual if you get an all wheel drive vehicle and be sure it can be dolly towed.

Ernie

I'll note that my cost was about $1,200 higher, but I'm including the cost of an integral light system and winch bumper (but the tow bar rings were only $90 since they mount on the bumper ), plus a new tow bar.

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Re: Toad shopping
« Reply #8 on: January 11, 2019, 11:44:31 AM »
If you go the dolly-tow route, you want a front drive vehicle and some conclusion about locking steering wheel (or not). The cheapest dolly brands have fixed "table" or plate that the car wheels rest on, while the better ones have a swiveling table or plate. The front car wheels must have the steering wheek unlocked with a fixed table dolly, but the steering wheel must be fixed (unmoving) for the swiveling type.  Vehicles with a locking steering column for anti-theft can be locked or unlocked with the ignition key. Vehicles without a locking steer column may need some sort of strap if it is necessary to immobilize the steering wheel. Often the driver seat belt can make do for that, but it's something you should look into before you buy either car or dolly.  It's not a deal-breaker either way, but it's wise to consider options ahead of time (since you haven't bought anything yet).

Used tow dollys are usually readily available. Online resources such as autotrader.com, Facebook Marketplace, Craigs List, etc. are good sources for finding them.


You will definitely want a tongue jack/wheel for the dolly to facilitate moving it around. They are cheap.


I have to agree with Ernie, though.   4-down towing is going to be a lot easier for a Mom with kids and maybe worth whatever extra it costs.
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Re: Toad shopping
« Reply #9 on: January 11, 2019, 12:30:38 PM »
So realistically, how much will it cost to get everything I need for 4 down towing? Everything. Because I've seen tow dolly sales on FB or Craigslist for $800. My 16 year old son would be the one hooking up or unhooking. I've never towed anything and wanted to go the less expensive route, but if 4 down is really that much easier that everyone seems to think I should reconsider, I guess I can look into it. We will only be using this for 10 months. After that, I will be selling the MH but I will be keeping the car.
Maybe I should watch YouTube videos of hooking up and unhooking cars towed both ways.
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Re: Toad shopping
« Reply #10 on: January 11, 2019, 01:00:19 PM »
Do those dollys for $800 have brakes? You will want brakes.
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Re: Toad shopping
« Reply #11 on: January 11, 2019, 01:37:32 PM »
There will be times when you are going to have to push that trailer around the RV park by hand...


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Re: Toad shopping
« Reply #12 on: January 11, 2019, 01:57:41 PM »
I have no idea about the brakes. I don't understand that for the life of me. I've heard it many times, like a TT having brakes, but it doesn't make sense to me.

In case anyone else is trying to figure this all out, here's a pretty basic video explaining tow systems...
https://youtu.be/Uk5HT3wmaOY
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Re: Toad shopping
« Reply #13 on: January 11, 2019, 02:21:07 PM »
What year Dodge Journey are you considering and do you want all-wheel-drive or 2wd? BTW - I'm envious about your planned trip. I took my 2 kids on a lot of road trips. Some of the best experiences of my life.

As an aside, one of my most memorable trips was from Montana to Disneyland in California. We tent camped in an RV park that was filled with orange trees. Management allowed campers to pick and eat the oranges. In addition to Disneyland and other attractions, we also went to a 5 screen drive-in theater. My kids loved it.
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Re: Toad shopping
« Reply #14 on: January 11, 2019, 04:01:25 PM »
Gismo has a Dolly for sale on For sales and wanted »
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Re: Toad shopping
« Reply #15 on: January 11, 2019, 05:00:12 PM »
IB, I was looking at 2010 Journeys through 2014 but I don't have to stick to those parameters. They seemed to be in my price range for an extra car. I was only looking at fwd because I planned on towing with a dolly. BUT, now that I'll be towing 4 down, because I'm not dumb enough to ignore many years of experience lol, idk lol I'm starting from scratch now!
We've done some great road trips, I'm really thankful to be able to do this with them, I hope it's as amazing as I'm expecting it to be!
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Re: Toad shopping
« Reply #16 on: January 11, 2019, 05:22:11 PM »

b. Modular braking system less than $1000; no installation except breakaway.


one correction that "Modular" system you talk about I call "Box in the driver's seat" has to be Installed by the user EVERY TIME YOU TOW. they say No installation but mean NO PROFESSIONAL installation.   And every install is a chance to screw up something as others have reported and I experienced (Mine was done professionally and... Screwed up)
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« Reply #17 on: January 11, 2019, 07:16:06 PM »
Thanks for the better explanation  for dolly tow.  I know you NEED to keep most family information private, but I had imagined a bunch of kids under 10 years old!  Knowing one is a 16 YO son helps.  If he is mechanically inclined and loves to "play" with cars (like me when I was 16), then the dolly may work.  Hooking up and unhooking would be HIS job.

If you do go 4 down, here is what I would buy (with only some research) to tow as 2012 Dodge Journey FWD 6 cyl.
Remco Lube Pump Assy        $1800
Remco (blue ox) Base Plate     $529
Ready Brake system, receiver and break away kits   $670
Hercules tow bar                   $1100
Drop hitch, Safety chains        $ 230
TOTAL                          $4329

Note there will be some installation charges for the lube pump, base plate and Ready Brake cables, but this makes a simple hookup process.
All prices are for NEW parts.  Tow bars, safety chains and drop hitches should be readily available used at considerable savings on those items

IF you go with a tow dolly, may I suggest a hitch on the Journey so you can back the car off the dolly, remove the dolly from the RV and hitch it to the Journey to move it around the campground and make parking the RV easier.
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Re: Toad shopping
« Reply #18 on: January 11, 2019, 07:47:52 PM »
Now let me respond to your brakes question.

The RV in your case or the truck in mine is designed to stop the fully loaded RV or truck ONLY.  In my case, the truck is designed to stop 11,500 lbs of loaded truck, and NOT the extra 14,000 lbs of FW I am towing.  Will the truck stop the entire rig if the camper brakes are not working?  Yes, but it will take longer and you will go farther before you stop.  Although not as dramatic, the same is true of a 20,000 lb RV and a 4,000 lb toad (and 500 lb dolly).  That is why trailer brakes are required in most states.

Trailers and FW have  drum brakes with electric actuators in each wheel assembly.  When I step on the truck brakes, a built in trailer brake controller knows it and sends an electric signal to the FW to apply the brakes.  There is also a lever so I can apply the trailer brakes independently if needed. That brake stops the trailer and the truck brakes stop the truck, or something like that!

RVs with a toad usually use some form of surge brakes.  Basic systems have a receiver tube within a receiver tube.  The outside tube is firmly attached to the RV.  The inside tube to the toad.  When the RV accelerates, the inner tube moves backward (within limits!) and pulls the toad.  When the RV slows down, the inner tube slides forward, activating a lever which applies the brakes on the toad or dolly.  Ready Brake has a simple video of this process.  When the RV slows, a cable apples pressure to the car brake pedal to slow or stop the car.
Some toad brake systems have an inertia switch which recognizes this slowing down and converts it to electrical / mechanical actions to press the toad brake pedal. 
Acceleration or stopping releases the brake in both systems.

Hopefully, this helps you.
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Re: Toad shopping
« Reply #19 on: January 11, 2019, 07:54:10 PM »
I just had my Ford Edge that we already owned, set up to tow behind our MH. The prices are off the top of my head, but I think I'm pretty close.

Roadmaster base plate - $425
Stay-n-play duo braking system - $1000
Ready-Made wiring harnesses for toad lights - $75
RVI Towed battery charger - $55
Installation by moonlighting Ford tech - $400
Roadmaster Falcon 2 tow bar (came with MH) - $625 at e-trailer

That's about $2600. I'm sure I forgot an odd or an end, and installation cost will vary, but if you allow $3000 for this you should be I the ballpark.
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Re: Toad shopping
« Reply #20 on: January 11, 2019, 11:37:49 PM »
IB, I was looking at 2010 Journeys through 2014 but I don't have to stick to those parameters.

I think the Journey is a good option for you unless it won't work as a toad. It is a good kid hauler, gets decent gas mileage for a crossover, and has a decent amount of horsepower for merging onto interstates and passing slow pokes. Looks like you've done your research.
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Re: Toad shopping
« Reply #21 on: January 12, 2019, 12:26:25 AM »
I really appreciate all the information. I have to sleep on it.
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Re: Toad shopping
« Reply #22 on: January 12, 2019, 06:11:57 AM »
While pondering whether to tow 4 down or not another towbar/ brake system to consider is a ReadBrute Elite towbar. A few here use them and really like'em.
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« Reply #23 on: January 12, 2019, 07:48:49 AM »
If you go 4 down, there is no reason tn to buy a Journey that requires a $600 lube pump. There are plenty of cars that don't require one.

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Re: Toad shopping
« Reply #24 on: January 12, 2019, 09:05:53 AM »
How many will be traveling in the Journey when used? A Mom and 6 will be very tight, my 2017 will seat only 4 comfortably!! You need a Grand Caravan for that gang!!!
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Re: Toad shopping
« Reply #25 on: January 12, 2019, 09:51:29 AM »
My thoughts for pondering.   If definitely towing with dolly, consider a Grand Caravan.  FWD, and has the stow n go seating.  We have one and love it.  However, what is your RV rated for towing?  typically for a gas A 5000 lbs.  The tow dolly adds about 4-600 lbs. 

I do not tow mine, I tow a car that can be flat towed, although we kind of miss having our van with us. 

Buying used, check with the local RV dealers, they often take in cars in trade that are set up for flat towing, make a friend in sales to keep an eye out for you, offer a finders fee.  Watch local ads.  My toad I found on Craigslist and was all set up.  Also watch eBay or local for a brake buddy type system,,  easy to use, no mechanic needed. 

If you find a car you like that fits your needs, but no baseplate, decide whether or not you want to make the investment in one.  Install should be done by pro, it is quite involved.  I work as a tech in a dealership and have watched the job.  Some cars can take a full day.  This is why I suggest getting a car with it installed.  (dealerships usually wholesale the cars out, they aren't in car sales business, but will sell if you can get that in with someone. 

4 down is so much easier than dolly.  I work mainly in new owner instruction and one of my customers just bought a dolly.  Nice one, but he could not move it.  On pavement, not bad but in gravel just about impossible.  You would ned to carry along a dolly-dolly.  A wheeled device so you don't have to lift the tongue by hand. 

The issue of where do you store the dolly when you get to destination, where do you put it.  Some places you have to store off your RV site, some you can keep it with you.  If you do go the route of a dolly, be sure to set the car up for towing so you can move it around.

Brakes on the dolly, there are surge, where the weight of the dolly pushing against the hitch as the rv brakes, will apply braking to the dolly, and there is electric brakes, requiring wiring in a controller on the dash of RV.  These run about $100 - $200 plus install.

Used units are out there, make sure to check tires and overall condition, especially the straps.  Plus check straps after a few miles of deriving, they almost always will loosen up a little, and check every 100-200 miles as well.

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Re: Toad shopping
« Reply #26 on: January 12, 2019, 10:58:45 AM »
My head is spinning! I just don't know what to do. I really didn't want to spend the money on the towing equipment for 4 down just to use it for 10 months. I guess I could always sell the Journey afterward and rebuy one without the tow package. If this were something I would be doing long term, I would do it in a heartbeat. But that's so expensive for just a 10 month trip.

As for the journey or a caravan, the Journeys I'm looking at are 7 seaters. I chose it due a combination of weight, seating capacity, gas mileage, and life expectancy. I'll look to compare the van to the Journey and see if they're comparable. I really was hoping for as small as possible because my plan was to keep it as a second vehicle (actually third) after the trip.
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Re: Toad shopping
« Reply #27 on: January 12, 2019, 11:27:25 AM »
The cost is a big factor for just a year of use. A good tow dolly is cheaper upfront vs 4-down and it can be resold more easily than the full set of 4-down gear. A tow bar and portable brake unit are an easy resale, but the base plates and lighting stuff is essentially a write-off.  A 16 YO boy should be able to manage the dolly load/unload well enough as long as Mom can convince him to be rigorous about the procedures.  A mistake or shortcut could lead to an expensive or dangerous event!  I think the tow dolly is viable for your needs, but the load & unload is enough of a chore to be termed a pain for an overnight stop or a quick run to the grocery store.

The more frequently you move to a new site (load & unload), the more you appreciate 4-down, so that's a major parameter.  There are inexpensive, A-frame  type tow bars, but they lose more than a little of the convenience advantage, so I'm going to restrict my thoughts to the RV-mount type that stays on the motorhome.  This article gives  brief but comprehensive overview of what is needed.

https://www.etrailer.com/faq-towing-a-vehicle-overview.aspx


IF you can find a used RV-mount tow bar and a portable brake (Brake Buddy, RVI, etc), then the additional cost for 4-down is the cost of the base plates (the car adapter to connect the tow bar) and the toad light wiring, probably about $600 or so.  You should be able to get a nice tow bar and brake unit for about the same cost as a decent used dolly ($800-$1000). Used dollies are fairly common, though, while used 4-down equipment is rarer and gets snapped up quickly when it comes on the market.  An all-new 4-down towing system is probably more than you can cost justify for a limited time use.

Here are a few tow bars on Ebay:
https://www.ebay.com/bhp/tow-bar
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Re: Toad shopping
« Reply #28 on: January 12, 2019, 12:59:39 PM »
" I guess I could always sell the Journey afterward and rebuy one without the tow package."


No need to do that, just keep driving it. The tow package doesn't hurt anything. Besides you are going to be thoroughly hooked on RVing and will need all the stuff you've purchased.

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« Reply #29 on: January 12, 2019, 02:37:48 PM »
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No need to do that, just keep driving it. The tow package doesn't hurt anything. Besides you are going to be thoroughly hooked on RVing and will need all the stuff you've purchased.
My point is that if it's more valuable for having the tow package, I would rather sell it and buy another equal car for $3,000 less, therefore getting the money back for the tow package. I just think that's an absurd amount of money to spend for a 10 month trip.

I already know I'll want to keep it but I can't Radford to do that, I took everything out of my savings account to buy it for this trip. I'll be selling it after the trip to replenish my savings. We actually have 2 other RVs as well, a TT and a pop up.
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Re: Toad shopping
« Reply #30 on: January 12, 2019, 06:01:13 PM »
The tow gear on the vehicle is rarely more than $400 or so new, and adds little or nothing to be value of the used vehicle. Some potential buyers would consider it a negative (it was towed!), so some dealers may actually downgrade the price a bit.
If you know of another RVer who needs a toad, they might buy the whole package from you, car, tow bar and brake unit, but that is probably no more money in your pocket that selling piecemeal. Maybe quicker, though.
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Re: Toad shopping
« Reply #31 on: January 12, 2019, 06:37:30 PM »
Do you trust your son to load and unload the toad correctly?  If so, offer him $500 for taking care of the toad and tow dolly for the trip.

After your trip, the car will be worth the same amount with or without the lube pump, base plate, etc, unless you get VERY lucky and find someone looking for a 4 down toad.

My son was highly motivated by some extra cash.  When was about 10, he had a very loose tooth that refused to come out and was blocking the new one from emerging.  Dentist said in one week,  she would pull it - for $25.  We offered Steve $10 if that was not needed.  2 hours later, he came into the family room holding the tooth in his hand.

When we installed the pool, (he was 14) we also needed a deck.  It needed 14 post holes.  It cost $40 to rent power post hole digger.  I asked him if he would dig them for $40.  He asked where I wanted them.  We measured and marked the locations, and 1 ½ days later, I had 14 smartly dug holes.
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Re: Toad shopping
« Reply #32 on: January 12, 2019, 11:46:52 PM »
Amanda, you can get a tow dolly to lift front wheels off the ground that has electric brakes on the wheels for about $1,560 plus shipping/tax.  That is the way I'd go.  https://cosprings.craigslist.org/fod/d/brighton-new-2018-tow-dolly-stehl-tow/6792748056.html is a weblink for an example.


I would not tow without some type of brakes on the trailer either electric (my fav) or hydraulic.  THe cost and complexity of flat towing aren't worth it for your trip and desire to recoup some of your life savings.

I had a tow dolly that I wished I had never sold.  It sold on craigslist in a day when I decided to get rid of it.  Make sure if you buy a used dolly that you get a title or manufactuer statement of origin as some states may require you to register and plate the dolly while others don't.

Don't forget to get a rear camera so you can check on things back there when towing.  I met someone who had a huge diesel pusher that was flat towing his Jeep and a tire blowout didn't get noticed until a the vehicle was nearly totalled from the damage-front wheel blew and I think the wheel or axle also failed.

Another tip if you tow with front wheels up, don't forget to unlatch your parking brake ;-)



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Re: Toad shopping
« Reply #33 on: January 13, 2019, 10:07:22 AM »
With your situation a dolly may be the better option financially.  I agree about the electric brakes vs. surge, but realize you hacve to also add in the controller on the motorhome.  You should already have a rear camera on the ACE.  I will say though, you can see it is there, but I had a flat on my toad (4-down), couldn't tell by driving and couldn't tell casually, a trucker directed my attention. 

Pay attention to motorists pointing backwards.

Watch Craigslist, and also make mention where you bought your motorhome, some dealers take dollies in trade and wholesale them out.  Do this now, and keep an eye out for one.  Try  not to buy a new one.

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Re: Toad shopping
« Reply #34 on: January 13, 2019, 12:51:47 PM »
If your current vehicle is capable of towing, rent a tow dolly and rent or borrow a car to hook up.  You really do not need to pull it.  Wait for bad weather and have your 16 year old hook the car up then unhook the car.  I had to use a tow dolly in bad weather once, which is why I now tow four down.   :)
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Re: Toad shopping
« Reply #35 on: January 13, 2019, 02:43:26 PM »
I sooo appreciate everyone's advice, seriously, all of it. Here's the new plan; I showed 2 of the kids, they'll be 16 and 17 on the trip, a video of someone hooking up to a tow dolly and reminded them that it will sometimes be raining or cold or windy and offered them $20 a month each if they shared the job of taking care of that. I explained that this will be above and beyond their other chore (each kid has a chore for the road, the 16 year old will be hooking and unhooking sewer/ dumping, the 17 year old will be pumping gas)
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Re: Toad shopping
« Reply #36 on: January 13, 2019, 04:26:00 PM »
Just curious,  Have you looked into buying something that is already setup to tow 4 down?
In my latest Family RVing magazine there is a section labeled "Towed Vehicles"

There is a 2009 Chrysler T&C That is listed as Ready to tow for $7500.  That's just an example.

That would save all the work of getting a vehicle ready to tow and then having to sell it's parts later.

Just a thought for you.  Is you head still swimming?  ;D
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Re: Toad shopping
« Reply #37 on: January 13, 2019, 04:36:15 PM »
That actually never crossed my mind. I will look, however, i won't expect much because not only would have to be 1- set up for 4 down towing, but also 2- in my price range and 3- a 7 seater or more. I think being a 7+ seater is going to be the issue. But I will certainly look! You never know!
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Re: Toad shopping
« Reply #38 on: January 13, 2019, 04:51:15 PM »
My point is that if it's more valuable for having the tow package, I would rather sell it and buy another equal car for $3,000 less, therefore getting the money back for the tow package. I just think that's an absurd amount of money to spend for a 10 month trip.


Don't assume you can get much back for the tow package when you sell.  If you're lucky there will be an RVer in the vicinity who is interested but if you trade it in at a dealership the first thing they're going to do is remove the baseplate and all evidence that the vehicle had been towed.  Think about it, would you be interested in a used car if you knew that it had been towed for possibly thousands of miles that don't show on the odometer? 

After we traded our Malibu to purchase our CR-V we happened to see our car on the used car lot a few weeks later.  All traces of the towing package and the hitch receiver we had installed to hold our bike rack were gone.  No buyer would ever suspect that it had been towed ~25,000 miles
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Re: Toad shopping
« Reply #39 on: January 13, 2019, 06:42:37 PM »
Not to be a mean person but if you are planning on reselling the journey it may take awhile since they aren't popular on the list..a Used Grand Cherokee may be a better choice.
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Re: Toad shopping
« Reply #40 on: January 13, 2019, 06:54:32 PM »
Not to be a mean person but if you are planning on reselling the journey it may take awhile since they aren't popular on the list..a Used Grand Cherokee may be a better choice.
As I keep saying, my plan is NOT to sell the Journey. My plan is to keep it until it's metal is worth more than the car. Drive it into the ground. Which will not be difficult to do since I'll have 4 teenage drivers.
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Re: Toad shopping
« Reply #41 on: January 13, 2019, 07:07:04 PM »
I sooo appreciate everyone's advice, seriously, all of it. Here's the new plan; I showed 2 of the kids, they'll be 16 and 17 on the trip, a video of someone hooking up to a tow dolly and reminded them that it will sometimes be raining or cold or windy and offered them $20 a month each if they shared the job of taking care of that. I explained that this will be above and beyond their other chore (each kid has a chore for the road, the 16 year old will be hooking and unhooking sewer/ dumping, the 17 year old will be pumping gas)
I would like to know what the chores are for the other kids.

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Re: Toad shopping
« Reply #42 on: January 13, 2019, 07:10:18 PM »
I sooo appreciate everyone's advice, seriously, all of it. Here's the new plan; I showed 2 of the kids, they'll be 16 and 17 on the trip, a video of someone hooking up to a tow dolly and reminded them that it will sometimes be raining or cold or windy and offered them $20 a month each if they shared the job of taking care of that. I explained that this will be above and beyond their other chore (each kid has a chore for the road, the 16 year old will be hooking and unhooking sewer/ dumping, the 17 year old will be pumping gas)

Just a thought....Nothing wrong with using the the kids to take care of the toad..I would suggest that they each take one side of the toad to make connections...When everything's done they swap sides and check the others work..2 sets of eyes are safer than 1.

And of course the driver is responsible to make sure things are done before moving the RV..We want our RVMama back in one piece
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Re: Toad shopping
« Reply #43 on: January 13, 2019, 08:20:32 PM »
You are going down the right road!  Wise decisions for your situation!
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Re: Toad shopping
« Reply #44 on: January 13, 2019, 08:28:38 PM »
I would like to know what the chores are for the other kids.
Two of the kids are sharing the chore of dishes, because it's a big job. They will also help with food prep. A third is responsible to keep the floors clean and sweep at least once daily. And the last is responsible for the cat litter, garbage and recycling. Additionally, they are each responsible for their own belongings. Everything has a place and because there are so many of us in a small space, things need to remain where they belong.
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Re: Toad shopping
« Reply #45 on: January 13, 2019, 08:33:05 PM »
Just a thought....Nothing wrong with using the the kids to take care of the toad..I would suggest that they each take one side of the toad to make connections...When everything's done they swap sides and check the others work..2 sets of eyes are safer than 1.

And of course the driver is responsible to make sure things are done before moving the RV..We want our RVMama back in one piece
Good call with the checking each other's work! I also always walk around the entire rig before taking off when we stop and then go again. I do a quick visual checking the tires, the windows (or one is open while driving, it'll fly off), the gas cap, the underneath storage, etc. So when im2towing, that will be added to my list.
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Re: Toad shopping
« Reply #46 on: January 13, 2019, 08:34:15 PM »
You are going down the right road!  Wise decisions for your situation!
Thank you, I really hope so!  I'll definitely keep you all posted when I get each new item!
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Re: Toad shopping
« Reply #47 on: January 14, 2019, 04:24:05 AM »
Good call with the checking each other's work! I also always walk around the entire rig before taking off when we stop and then go again. I do a quick visual checking the tires, the windows (or one is open while driving, it'll fly off), the gas cap, the underneath storage, etc. So when im2towing, that will be added to my list.
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Re: Toad shopping
« Reply #48 on: January 14, 2019, 07:00:51 AM »
You should call Hollywood.  You could sell tickets for the filming of this adventure  ;D ;D ;D.  I'm glad you have established a good bond with many on this website.  Given we are peppered everywhere in the country, surely any situation you get into, someone here can help or give advise how to deal with it.  Just never get in a hurry, that's always when we do the stupid stuff.
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Re: Toad shopping
« Reply #49 on: January 14, 2019, 07:30:28 AM »
You should call Hollywood.  You could sell tickets for the filming of this adventure  ;D ;D ;D.  I'm glad you have established a good bond with many on this website.  Given we are peppered everywhere in the country, surely any situation you get into, someone here can help or give advise how to deal with it.  Just never get in a hurry, that's always when we do the stupid stuff.
This site and the people on it have been a massive help to me. It has already saved me literally thousands of dollars (between Passport America, not driving with an open window, repairs that didn't need to be done because I learned how to drive properly lol etc) and has relieved tons of anxiety. There has been so much stuff that I've looked up or asked, but even more importantly, there was a TON of information I've gotten that I never knew that I didn't know. I never would have asked because I never knew it was a thing. That happens a lot here, so I'm very grateful to have found this community.
As for a movie deal, that's the story of my life! Lol, nobody would believe my biography, they would think ot was fiction, not even realistic fiction 😂 people would walk oit of the movie saying, that was so fake, that stuff could never really happen! Lol
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« Reply #50 on: January 14, 2019, 07:31:01 AM »
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That was your advice back in August!
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Re: Toad shopping
« Reply #51 on: January 14, 2019, 08:06:35 AM »
That was your advice back in August!
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« Reply #52 on: January 14, 2019, 08:51:16 AM »
I hope we haven't overdone the advice or scared you away from reasonable choices. There will be somebody here who is [perhaps overly] concerned about most any aspect of RVing and will react with an "OMG - NEVER do that!" to almost anything.  Sometimes because they had an unusual bad experience but often only because they heard or read somewhere how bad it may be.   I'm not referring to any particular advice or person here - just making a general observation about internet blog/forum commentary.  Often the initial responses about any subject will be the "traditional wisdom" variety that "everybody knows" but few can explain "why".  The dissenters often respond later in the discussion, so wait until multiple comments come in and try to deduce the consensus.
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« Reply #53 on: January 14, 2019, 04:56:05 PM »
Makes sense, but when multiple people say the same thing, it's usually wise to consider that point of view. Especially for me because I'm going into this with so little experience. You guys really have been awesome.
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Re: Toad shopping
« Reply #54 on: January 14, 2019, 05:07:23 PM »
Amanda, are you going to be doing all the driving on this trip, or will you share driving the motorhome with the 16 and 17 year old?

Reason I'm asking, if they aren't going to drive the RV, let them drive the car behind you on moving day. Yes, you'll buy some extra fuel but this will be offset by what you won't spend to make the car towable.   CB or FRS radios will let you stay in touch and they'll be able to listen to their own music while giving them some time away from Mom and the rest of the family.
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Re: Toad shopping
« Reply #55 on: January 14, 2019, 05:22:25 PM »
Amanda, are you going to be doing all the driving on this trip, or will you share driving the motorhome with the 16 and 17 year old?

Reason I'm asking, if they aren't going to drive the RV, let them drive the car behind you on moving day. Yes, you'll buy some extra fuel but this will be offset by what you won't spend to make the car towable.   CB or FRS radios will let you stay in touch and they'll be able to listen to their own music while giving them some time away from Mom and the rest of the family.

An interesting though.....Just one more thing Amanda has to consider ;D...But something to think about depending on the planned miles to be driven.
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« Reply #56 on: January 14, 2019, 05:57:45 PM »
NOTE TO ALL READING AND LEARNING FROM AMANDA'S STORY:

She has done many things right.

* She started planning over a year in advance.
* She asked LOTS of questions about every aspect of the planning.
* She read lots of threads and learned many things she did not know she needed to know.
* She has previous camping experience
* She has developed a reasonable budget.  While it has not been shared in detail, many questions are based on its' existence.
* She has shared specific plans (like this thread) for comments to assure it was a realistic plan.
* She has started many threads on different topics, and not tried to cram 20 questions on 20 topics into just one thread.
* She has spent a huge amount of time doing her homework.
* She has set a great example of how to do it right!

With all that said, I anticipate she will still run into issues.  However, they will be new and innovative problems, not the simple stuff she has learned how to avoid.

Great Job, Amanda!
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Re: Toad shopping
« Reply #57 on: January 14, 2019, 07:08:44 PM »
Thanks Gordon!
You mention budget so I want to add advice for others doing this. I'm over budgeting. I know I'll have extra money, but that will be put aside for emergencies, because there's bound to be something somewhere sometime lol. I'm also going to stay a month ahead financially because IF something happens and my money doesn't show up when it's supposed to, I assume it'll take longer to iron out since I won't be local. Just an idea.

Hmmmm, letting them drive. I hadn't considered that. If I remember correctly, I haven't looked at my plans in a while because I've had to put this on the back burner until February, but I think the plan is 13,000 miles on the RV. So I would prefer NOT to put those on the car as well. Also, because I homeschool, I planned on doing a lot of their "school work" type stuff on the longer drives. When we're actually in a location, we'll spend that time exploring and "vacationing" and learning through life experience, but some things, like math and reading, are perfect long drive activities for them. I appreciate the suggestion, keep 'em coming, but this one won't work for this particular situation.
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Re: Toad shopping
« Reply #58 on: January 14, 2019, 07:25:06 PM »

 I'm over budgeting. I know I'll have extra money, but that will be put aside for emergencies, because there's bound to be something somewhere sometime lol. I'm also going to stay a month ahead financially because IF something happens and my money doesn't show up when it's supposed to, I assume it'll take longer to iron out since I won't be local.

With all due respect, there's little reason to worry about that IMO.  In today's world, your money is never far away.  We always keep funds in a Wells Fargo account that we can access with a debit card virtually anywhere in the country.  We have the daily limit on the card set so that it covers most eventualities even, as happened this summer, I had to give a few hundred dollars in cash to an itinerant mechanic on the Mountain Ute reservation near Cortez CO so he could drive ~50 miles to Farmington NM to get parts to fix our stranded DP.  Yes, that sort of stuff does happen!  Not often, but you should be prepared in case it does. In our case, the mechanic was both good and honest and we were on our way the next day!

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