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Re: Toad shopping
« Reply #30 on: January 12, 2019, 06:01:13 PM »
The tow gear on the vehicle is rarely more than $400 or so new, and adds little or nothing to be value of the used vehicle. Some potential buyers would consider it a negative (it was towed!), so some dealers may actually downgrade the price a bit.
If you know of another RVer who needs a toad, they might buy the whole package from you, car, tow bar and brake unit, but that is probably no more money in your pocket that selling piecemeal. Maybe quicker, though.
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Re: Toad shopping
« Reply #31 on: January 12, 2019, 06:37:30 PM »
Do you trust your son to load and unload the toad correctly?  If so, offer him $500 for taking care of the toad and tow dolly for the trip.

After your trip, the car will be worth the same amount with or without the lube pump, base plate, etc, unless you get VERY lucky and find someone looking for a 4 down toad.

My son was highly motivated by some extra cash.  When was about 10, he had a very loose tooth that refused to come out and was blocking the new one from emerging.  Dentist said in one week,  she would pull it - for $25.  We offered Steve $10 if that was not needed.  2 hours later, he came into the family room holding the tooth in his hand.

When we installed the pool, (he was 14) we also needed a deck.  It needed 14 post holes.  It cost $40 to rent power post hole digger.  I asked him if he would dig them for $40.  He asked where I wanted them.  We measured and marked the locations, and 1 days later, I had 14 smartly dug holes.
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Re: Toad shopping
« Reply #32 on: January 12, 2019, 11:46:52 PM »
Amanda, you can get a tow dolly to lift front wheels off the ground that has electric brakes on the wheels for about $1,560 plus shipping/tax.  That is the way I'd go.  https://cosprings.craigslist.org/fod/d/brighton-new-2018-tow-dolly-stehl-tow/6792748056.html is a weblink for an example.


I would not tow without some type of brakes on the trailer either electric (my fav) or hydraulic.  THe cost and complexity of flat towing aren't worth it for your trip and desire to recoup some of your life savings.

I had a tow dolly that I wished I had never sold.  It sold on craigslist in a day when I decided to get rid of it.  Make sure if you buy a used dolly that you get a title or manufactuer statement of origin as some states may require you to register and plate the dolly while others don't.

Don't forget to get a rear camera so you can check on things back there when towing.  I met someone who had a huge diesel pusher that was flat towing his Jeep and a tire blowout didn't get noticed until a the vehicle was nearly totalled from the damage-front wheel blew and I think the wheel or axle also failed.

Another tip if you tow with front wheels up, don't forget to unlatch your parking brake ;-)



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Re: Toad shopping
« Reply #33 on: January 13, 2019, 10:07:22 AM »
With your situation a dolly may be the better option financially.  I agree about the electric brakes vs. surge, but realize you hacve to also add in the controller on the motorhome.  You should already have a rear camera on the ACE.  I will say though, you can see it is there, but I had a flat on my toad (4-down), couldn't tell by driving and couldn't tell casually, a trucker directed my attention. 

Pay attention to motorists pointing backwards.

Watch Craigslist, and also make mention where you bought your motorhome, some dealers take dollies in trade and wholesale them out.  Do this now, and keep an eye out for one.  Try  not to buy a new one.

You will get most of your money back after a year on a used, about half on a new.
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Re: Toad shopping
« Reply #34 on: January 13, 2019, 12:51:47 PM »
If your current vehicle is capable of towing, rent a tow dolly and rent or borrow a car to hook up.  You really do not need to pull it.  Wait for bad weather and have your 16 year old hook the car up then unhook the car.  I had to use a tow dolly in bad weather once, which is why I now tow four down.   :)
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Re: Toad shopping
« Reply #35 on: January 13, 2019, 02:43:26 PM »
I sooo appreciate everyone's advice, seriously, all of it. Here's the new plan; I showed 2 of the kids, they'll be 16 and 17 on the trip, a video of someone hooking up to a tow dolly and reminded them that it will sometimes be raining or cold or windy and offered them $20 a month each if they shared the job of taking care of that. I explained that this will be above and beyond their other chore (each kid has a chore for the road, the 16 year old will be hooking and unhooking sewer/ dumping, the 17 year old will be pumping gas)
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Re: Toad shopping
« Reply #36 on: January 13, 2019, 04:26:00 PM »
Just curious,  Have you looked into buying something that is already setup to tow 4 down?
In my latest Family RVing magazine there is a section labeled "Towed Vehicles"

There is a 2009 Chrysler T&C That is listed as Ready to tow for $7500.  That's just an example.

That would save all the work of getting a vehicle ready to tow and then having to sell it's parts later.

Just a thought for you.  Is you head still swimming?  ;D
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Re: Toad shopping
« Reply #37 on: January 13, 2019, 04:36:15 PM »
That actually never crossed my mind. I will look, however, i won't expect much because not only would have to be 1- set up for 4 down towing, but also 2- in my price range and 3- a 7 seater or more. I think being a 7+ seater is going to be the issue. But I will certainly look! You never know!
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Re: Toad shopping
« Reply #38 on: January 13, 2019, 04:51:15 PM »
My point is that if it's more valuable for having the tow package, I would rather sell it and buy another equal car for $3,000 less, therefore getting the money back for the tow package. I just think that's an absurd amount of money to spend for a 10 month trip.


Don't assume you can get much back for the tow package when you sell.  If you're lucky there will be an RVer in the vicinity who is interested but if you trade it in at a dealership the first thing they're going to do is remove the baseplate and all evidence that the vehicle had been towed.  Think about it, would you be interested in a used car if you knew that it had been towed for possibly thousands of miles that don't show on the odometer? 

After we traded our Malibu to purchase our CR-V we happened to see our car on the used car lot a few weeks later.  All traces of the towing package and the hitch receiver we had installed to hold our bike rack were gone.  No buyer would ever suspect that it had been towed ~25,000 miles
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Re: Toad shopping
« Reply #39 on: January 13, 2019, 06:42:37 PM »
Not to be a mean person but if you are planning on reselling the journey it may take awhile since they aren't popular on the list..a Used Grand Cherokee may be a better choice.
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Re: Toad shopping
« Reply #40 on: January 13, 2019, 06:54:32 PM »
Not to be a mean person but if you are planning on reselling the journey it may take awhile since they aren't popular on the list..a Used Grand Cherokee may be a better choice.
As I keep saying, my plan is NOT to sell the Journey. My plan is to keep it until it's metal is worth more than the car. Drive it into the ground. Which will not be difficult to do since I'll have 4 teenage drivers.
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Re: Toad shopping
« Reply #41 on: January 13, 2019, 07:07:04 PM »
I sooo appreciate everyone's advice, seriously, all of it. Here's the new plan; I showed 2 of the kids, they'll be 16 and 17 on the trip, a video of someone hooking up to a tow dolly and reminded them that it will sometimes be raining or cold or windy and offered them $20 a month each if they shared the job of taking care of that. I explained that this will be above and beyond their other chore (each kid has a chore for the road, the 16 year old will be hooking and unhooking sewer/ dumping, the 17 year old will be pumping gas)
I would like to know what the chores are for the other kids.

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Re: Toad shopping
« Reply #42 on: January 13, 2019, 07:10:18 PM »
I sooo appreciate everyone's advice, seriously, all of it. Here's the new plan; I showed 2 of the kids, they'll be 16 and 17 on the trip, a video of someone hooking up to a tow dolly and reminded them that it will sometimes be raining or cold or windy and offered them $20 a month each if they shared the job of taking care of that. I explained that this will be above and beyond their other chore (each kid has a chore for the road, the 16 year old will be hooking and unhooking sewer/ dumping, the 17 year old will be pumping gas)

Just a thought....Nothing wrong with using the the kids to take care of the toad..I would suggest that they each take one side of the toad to make connections...When everything's done they swap sides and check the others work..2 sets of eyes are safer than 1.

And of course the driver is responsible to make sure things are done before moving the RV..We want our RVMama back in one piece
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Re: Toad shopping
« Reply #43 on: January 13, 2019, 08:20:32 PM »
You are going down the right road!  Wise decisions for your situation!
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Re: Toad shopping
« Reply #44 on: January 13, 2019, 08:28:38 PM »
I would like to know what the chores are for the other kids.
Two of the kids are sharing the chore of dishes, because it's a big job. They will also help with food prep. A third is responsible to keep the floors clean and sweep at least once daily. And the last is responsible for the cat litter, garbage and recycling. Additionally, they are each responsible for their own belongings. Everything has a place and because there are so many of us in a small space, things need to remain where they belong.
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Re: Toad shopping
« Reply #45 on: January 13, 2019, 08:33:05 PM »
Just a thought....Nothing wrong with using the the kids to take care of the toad..I would suggest that they each take one side of the toad to make connections...When everything's done they swap sides and check the others work..2 sets of eyes are safer than 1.

And of course the driver is responsible to make sure things are done before moving the RV..We want our RVMama back in one piece
Good call with the checking each other's work! I also always walk around the entire rig before taking off when we stop and then go again. I do a quick visual checking the tires, the windows (or one is open while driving, it'll fly off), the gas cap, the underneath storage, etc. So when im2towing, that will be added to my list.
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Re: Toad shopping
« Reply #46 on: January 13, 2019, 08:34:15 PM »
You are going down the right road!  Wise decisions for your situation!
Thank you, I really hope so!  I'll definitely keep you all posted when I get each new item!
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Re: Toad shopping
« Reply #47 on: January 14, 2019, 04:24:05 AM »
Good call with the checking each other's work! I also always walk around the entire rig before taking off when we stop and then go again. I do a quick visual checking the tires, the windows (or one is open while driving, it'll fly off), the gas cap, the underneath storage, etc. So when im2towing, that will be added to my list.
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Re: Toad shopping
« Reply #48 on: January 14, 2019, 07:00:51 AM »
You should call Hollywood.  You could sell tickets for the filming of this adventure  ;D ;D ;D.  I'm glad you have established a good bond with many on this website.  Given we are peppered everywhere in the country, surely any situation you get into, someone here can help or give advise how to deal with it.  Just never get in a hurry, that's always when we do the stupid stuff.
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Re: Toad shopping
« Reply #49 on: January 14, 2019, 07:30:28 AM »
You should call Hollywood.  You could sell tickets for the filming of this adventure  ;D ;D ;D.  I'm glad you have established a good bond with many on this website.  Given we are peppered everywhere in the country, surely any situation you get into, someone here can help or give advise how to deal with it.  Just never get in a hurry, that's always when we do the stupid stuff.
This site and the people on it have been a massive help to me. It has already saved me literally thousands of dollars (between Passport America, not driving with an open window, repairs that didn't need to be done because I learned how to drive properly lol etc) and has relieved tons of anxiety. There has been so much stuff that I've looked up or asked, but even more importantly, there was a TON of information I've gotten that I never knew that I didn't know. I never would have asked because I never knew it was a thing. That happens a lot here, so I'm very grateful to have found this community.
As for a movie deal, that's the story of my life! Lol, nobody would believe my biography, they would think ot was fiction, not even realistic fiction 😂 people would walk oit of the movie saying, that was so fake, that stuff could never really happen! Lol
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Re: Toad shopping
« Reply #50 on: January 14, 2019, 07:31:01 AM »
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That was your advice back in August!
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Re: Toad shopping
« Reply #51 on: January 14, 2019, 08:06:35 AM »
That was your advice back in August!
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Re: Toad shopping
« Reply #52 on: January 14, 2019, 08:51:16 AM »
I hope we haven't overdone the advice or scared you away from reasonable choices. There will be somebody here who is [perhaps overly] concerned about most any aspect of RVing and will react with an "OMG - NEVER do that!" to almost anything.  Sometimes because they had an unusual bad experience but often only because they heard or read somewhere how bad it may be.   I'm not referring to any particular advice or person here - just making a general observation about internet blog/forum commentary.  Often the initial responses about any subject will be the "traditional wisdom" variety that "everybody knows" but few can explain "why".  The dissenters often respond later in the discussion, so wait until multiple comments come in and try to deduce the consensus.
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Re: Toad shopping
« Reply #53 on: January 14, 2019, 04:56:05 PM »
Makes sense, but when multiple people say the same thing, it's usually wise to consider that point of view. Especially for me because I'm going into this with so little experience. You guys really have been awesome.
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Re: Toad shopping
« Reply #54 on: January 14, 2019, 05:07:23 PM »
Amanda, are you going to be doing all the driving on this trip, or will you share driving the motorhome with the 16 and 17 year old?

Reason I'm asking, if they aren't going to drive the RV, let them drive the car behind you on moving day. Yes, you'll buy some extra fuel but this will be offset by what you won't spend to make the car towable.   CB or FRS radios will let you stay in touch and they'll be able to listen to their own music while giving them some time away from Mom and the rest of the family.
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Re: Toad shopping
« Reply #55 on: January 14, 2019, 05:22:25 PM »
Amanda, are you going to be doing all the driving on this trip, or will you share driving the motorhome with the 16 and 17 year old?

Reason I'm asking, if they aren't going to drive the RV, let them drive the car behind you on moving day. Yes, you'll buy some extra fuel but this will be offset by what you won't spend to make the car towable.   CB or FRS radios will let you stay in touch and they'll be able to listen to their own music while giving them some time away from Mom and the rest of the family.

An interesting though.....Just one more thing Amanda has to consider ;D...But something to think about depending on the planned miles to be driven.
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Re: Toad shopping
« Reply #56 on: January 14, 2019, 05:57:45 PM »
NOTE TO ALL READING AND LEARNING FROM AMANDA'S STORY:

She has done many things right.

* She started planning over a year in advance.
* She asked LOTS of questions about every aspect of the planning.
* She read lots of threads and learned many things she did not know she needed to know.
* She has previous camping experience
* She has developed a reasonable budget.  While it has not been shared in detail, many questions are based on its' existence.
* She has shared specific plans (like this thread) for comments to assure it was a realistic plan.
* She has started many threads on different topics, and not tried to cram 20 questions on 20 topics into just one thread.
* She has spent a huge amount of time doing her homework.
* She has set a great example of how to do it right!

With all that said, I anticipate she will still run into issues.  However, they will be new and innovative problems, not the simple stuff she has learned how to avoid.

Great Job, Amanda!
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Re: Toad shopping
« Reply #57 on: January 14, 2019, 07:08:44 PM »
Thanks Gordon!
You mention budget so I want to add advice for others doing this. I'm over budgeting. I know I'll have extra money, but that will be put aside for emergencies, because there's bound to be something somewhere sometime lol. I'm also going to stay a month ahead financially because IF something happens and my money doesn't show up when it's supposed to, I assume it'll take longer to iron out since I won't be local. Just an idea.

Hmmmm, letting them drive. I hadn't considered that. If I remember correctly, I haven't looked at my plans in a while because I've had to put this on the back burner until February, but I think the plan is 13,000 miles on the RV. So I would prefer NOT to put those on the car as well. Also, because I homeschool, I planned on doing a lot of their "school work" type stuff on the longer drives. When we're actually in a location, we'll spend that time exploring and "vacationing" and learning through life experience, but some things, like math and reading, are perfect long drive activities for them. I appreciate the suggestion, keep 'em coming, but this one won't work for this particular situation.
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Re: Toad shopping
« Reply #58 on: January 14, 2019, 07:25:06 PM »

 I'm over budgeting. I know I'll have extra money, but that will be put aside for emergencies, because there's bound to be something somewhere sometime lol. I'm also going to stay a month ahead financially because IF something happens and my money doesn't show up when it's supposed to, I assume it'll take longer to iron out since I won't be local.

With all due respect, there's little reason to worry about that IMO.  In today's world, your money is never far away.  We always keep funds in a Wells Fargo account that we can access with a debit card virtually anywhere in the country.  We have the daily limit on the card set so that it covers most eventualities even, as happened this summer, I had to give a few hundred dollars in cash to an itinerant mechanic on the Mountain Ute reservation near Cortez CO so he could drive ~50 miles to Farmington NM to get parts to fix our stranded DP.  Yes, that sort of stuff does happen!  Not often, but you should be prepared in case it does. In our case, the mechanic was both good and honest and we were on our way the next day!

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