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Game Warden Authority
« on: February 13, 2019, 05:04:55 PM »
Just FYI if you are in California or Texas, Game Wardens have same authority as Police and can write you a ticket or arrest you the same as a Police Officer can if if it has nothing to do with wildlife.  As far as i know these are the only two states that do this,  maybe Alaska but not sure.
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« Reply #1 on: February 13, 2019, 05:09:48 PM »
I would guess that it's the same in every state. After all, they're sworn officers.
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« Reply #2 on: February 13, 2019, 05:12:04 PM »
I used to do a lot of scuba diving in southern California and there was a saying that if local police had the same powers as Fish and Game then crime would cease to exist.
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« Reply #3 on: February 13, 2019, 05:24:52 PM »
NY state game wardens are called Environmental Conservation Police Officers. They are armed and have the authority to enforce all NY state laws.
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« Reply #4 on: February 13, 2019, 05:33:25 PM »
    Florida is that way also, we were surprised to find them coming on construction sites and writing citations for vehicle lettering, weight and registration. At one time they were even checking occupational licenses...
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« Reply #5 on: February 13, 2019, 05:37:16 PM »
In Louisiana game wardens can search anywhere they want to without a warrant if they suspect their may be illegal game meat on the premises.  My family owned a wholesale food business in Louisiana for many years and every few years the game wardens would show up for a random inspection to make sure we were not storing or processing game meat.  It would be like a police raid they would come in the door demand access to the freezers and coolers, spend half an hour or so looking around, then leave when they did not find anything.  Out of all the inspectors we dealt with, USDA, state department of agriculture, health and hospitals, DOT, etc. the game wardens were the only ones that would show up unannounced and demand immediate access.
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Re: Game Warden Authority
« Reply #6 on: February 13, 2019, 06:04:11 PM »
In Delaware, they have the same authority as the State Police. I believe it's the same in Maryland also.
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« Reply #7 on: February 13, 2019, 07:12:27 PM »
So i guess that it is that way in most states then.  Interesting!   I have seen game wardens that have state police on the back of their vests and wondered why, i guess one cop shopping lol
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« Reply #8 on: February 13, 2019, 07:33:25 PM »
I think game wardens have the authority of State Police in most states.  I am an avid viewer of all the game warden shows on TV and I have not seen one where that was not true.
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« Reply #9 on: February 13, 2019, 07:48:55 PM »
I think game wardens have the authority of State Police in most states.  I am an avid viewer of all the game warden shows on TV and I have not seen one where that was not true.

I just started watching lone star law, nothing in my area yet, but i guess they move around. 
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« Reply #10 on: February 13, 2019, 08:30:21 PM »
Game wardens do not mess around. When I was in college I spent a summer as a COE summer ranger. I worked with the local police and highway patrol on a regular basis. However I didn’t work with the Fish and Game folks because it was considered too dangerous. I was told their death rate was higher than other LEOs, and if I ever saw anything I thought was a Wildlife-related violation get the hell out of there and call them. Whenever I have been around them, they have universally been pleasant, but I still get the “we do not fool around” vibe.
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« Reply #11 on: February 13, 2019, 09:00:24 PM »
If you like mysteries, try reading C. J. Box's Joe Pickett series about a Wyoming Game Warden.  George Akers always called them "Fish Cops".   Pickett gets himself involved in all kinds off illegal pursuits.

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« Reply #12 on: February 13, 2019, 10:09:48 PM »
If you like mysteries, try reading C. J. Box's Joe Pickett series about a Wyoming Game Warden.  George Akers always called them "Fish Cops".   Pickett gets himself involved in all kinds off illegal pursuits.
His first books were really good. The last one I read in the series showed cartoonish villains (all US Government folks) and cartoonish “good guys” who murdered the “villains” with impunity. It was dreadful. The one with the main character of his Native friend who raised raptors was also dreadful - just a never ending series of sadistic murders. In other words, read the first 7 or 8 with pleasure then stop!
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« Reply #13 on: February 13, 2019, 11:14:03 PM »
In MD we call them Natural Resources Police. 
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« Reply #14 on: February 13, 2019, 11:42:31 PM »
Interesting. In MN it is extremely difficult to become a Conservation officer. They have way more authority than state police regarding probable cause, search and seizure, and confiscation of property. I would not want to mess with them.
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« Reply #15 on: February 14, 2019, 04:37:55 AM »
As a wildlife photographer I applaud all the fish cops. Keep up the good work. In California lobster season begins the first Wednesday in October. Because they are just done spawning and molting at that time. One August I was out on a day dive and ran into a perfect lobster molt so I carefully put it into my goodie bag and brought it back to the boat. We kept all the game we caught in a five gallon plastic bucket right by out dive gear. So I get on the boat and very gingerly put the molt into my bucket. We get back to the dock and get boarded by a fish cop. He looks in my bucket and the look on his face was priceless. He grabs the molt and pulls it out of the bucket and it disintegrates in his hand. He was all embarrassed. I had taken a taxidermy class and was going to preserve it but it was now useless. Lobsters molt once a year. They step out of their shell and a new one forms on their body about a 1/4 inch larger than the one they just stepped out of. It is rare to see a complete molt since they are so fragile.
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« Reply #16 on: February 14, 2019, 06:51:40 AM »
His first books were really good. The last one I read in the series showed cartoonish villains (all US Government folks) and cartoonish “good guys” who murdered the “villains” with impunity. It was dreadful. The one with the main character of his Native friend who raised raptors was also dreadful - just a never ending series of sadistic murders. In other words, read the first 7 or 8 with pleasure then stop!
Last one felt like an amalgamation of lost ideas. There is another on the horizon, Lone Wolf. I will get it but if it is also bad then I wont buy any others....
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« Reply #17 on: February 14, 2019, 07:06:55 AM »
NY state game wardens are called Environmental Conservation Police Officers. They are armed and have the authority to enforce all NY state laws.
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« Reply #18 on: February 14, 2019, 07:26:49 AM »
Our neighbor is a retired EnCon officer. Oh, he has some stories!

I'm sure he does, Joe! I've known several NY EnCon LEO's over the years, and they're a dedicated group of people...
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« Reply #19 on: February 14, 2019, 09:20:44 AM »
In other words, read the first 7 or 8 with pleasure then stop!
There are 18 books in the Pickett series and I've read them all.  Wolf Pack will be the 19th.  When it comes to books, to each his own.

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« Reply #20 on: February 14, 2019, 09:33:51 AM »
There are 18 books in the Pickett series and I've read them all.  Wolf Pack will be the 19th.  When it comes to books, to each his own.

   Same here, read them all and liked them. Also, enjoyed his “stand alone books”! I have all of those as well. Whenever one of his new books come out....I take a few days off, to get the book read!
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« Reply #21 on: February 14, 2019, 11:25:18 AM »
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« Reply #22 on: February 14, 2019, 12:00:49 PM »
I'm always amazed at how honest hunters seem to fear F&G, but poachers do not.

To me, that seems to indicate something isn't right.

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« Reply #23 on: February 14, 2019, 12:20:44 PM »
If you like mysteries, try reading C. J. Box's Joe Pickett series about a Wyoming Game Warden.  George Akers always called them "Fish Cops".   Pickett gets himself involved in all kinds off illegal pursuits.

I love this book series.  I'm waiting for the next one.
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« Reply #24 on: February 14, 2019, 04:40:30 PM »
I'm always amazed at how honest hunters seem to fear F&G, but poachers do not.

To me, that seems to indicate something isn't right.

This has alot to do with our upbringing, we are taught that arrest is equivalent to the end of your life or at a minimum it is a huge NO NO and something that could cause a huge rift in how family and friends view you.   Poachers and criminals just dont have that fear because they have already crossed the line and are now labled.  Once labeled then many of them feel why not i been through it before and it was not that bad.  Which brings me to the second and sadest reason, we as a society keep making excuses for bad behavior more and more and more.  And with that comes crime categories which limit punishment and the snowball keeps getting bigger and bigger. 

Remember the days when stealing anything meant very harsh punishment, now days our society treats it as a casual "part of being human or growing up" thing and we send a message that we dont want people to steal but if they do, its ok we will slap your hand and send you on your way.   In jail today, back on the street tomorrow to steal something else.   

This is why good people fear trouble and bad people relish in it.  Good people dont want to break that bubble or cross that line, and bad people dance all over the line and laugh all the way. 

I have never been arrested and have had no ill dealings with law enforcement (even regarding tickets) in over 25 years and i am proud of that, it means something to me. But sadly it does not mean enough to many in this world anymore.   At one time i even drove for 4 months all across the USA on pleasure trip and never once got stopped. When i got back i had realized that my license had expired.  Some people cant go 4 hours without getting stopped or getting arrested.
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« Reply #25 on: February 14, 2019, 05:12:33 PM »
They are state troopers with biology degrees.
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« Reply #26 on: February 14, 2019, 06:48:30 PM »
When I was ten, my older brother brought his girlfriend from college to our grandmother's place for a weekend. She owned a huge spread which included a section of the Little Buffalo River, where she and I fished regularly when I spent summers with her. But this time, as we sat with our lines in the water, a game warden came by and arrested my brother and his girlfriend for not having fishing licenses. I was too young to need one.

While I'm sure she was completely in the wrong, my grandmother exploded and drove into town to drag a very unhappy local judge out of a cattle auction and have him tell the warden to let us go. He did.

The family story grew mythically until eventually it had Mammaw slugging the warden and screaming at the judge. It actually was fairly civilized. That was Tennessee, by the way.

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« Reply #27 on: February 14, 2019, 11:03:51 PM »
 ;D That is funny, sounds like a script from The Dukes of Hazzard

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« Reply #28 on: February 15, 2019, 12:28:31 AM »
In discussing prisoners that are 100% guilty of violent crimes, meaning video, witnesses, dna, other evidence to be 100% sure of proper conviction.   I believe that one day there will be an island or some kind of  segregated land mass that we will send those people to survive on their own.   It may not happen for many years but i believe that someday society will have had enough of the intentional violent actions and solve it with extreme measures.   

They cant claim cruel and unusual punishment because the prisoner themselves made a choice to act in and be in a violent environment when they commited their crime, so we would just be giving them what they wanted to begin with.   

We would send them there and they can learn to survive on their own with others like them.  There would be no laws unless they make them as a group. If they want someone in charge and others to secure their safety then they create that atmosphere as a group.   It would either be that or they can jump off a cliff before hand, up to them.   But sustaining violent prisioners at the cost to tax payers i believe one day will end.   
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« Reply #29 on: February 15, 2019, 04:19:23 AM »
Isn't that what Britan did with Australia? Used it as one big penal colony?
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