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BernieD

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Re: Toad towing issues
« Reply #30 on: June 06, 2005, 02:21:04 PM »

IMHO it wouldn't make any difference whether you had it in park or neutral with the axle lock in the disconnected position. The engine isn't turning, so the tranny isn't either.

Karl

We have a drive shaft disconnect on our car and I checked with Remco about it. When the tranny is in neutral, the gears are "loose", if there is any vibration or such, the gears can move and rattle. When the tranny is in park, the gears are locked and cannot move. May not be an issue most of the time, but it was enough for Remco to make an issue of it.
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Re: Toad towing issues
« Reply #31 on: June 06, 2005, 09:22:08 PM »
Smoky

Does that mean the Taurus can be towed for unlimited miles without having to start the engine and excercise the transmission?

As ford shipped it no. it does not, Smokey modified his Taurus by addeing a REMCO axel lock, I am doing exactly the same thing with a Chevy Lumina APV, and once that Axel lock is installed, you twist the collar, making an axel "unlock" and the right wheel is now a trailer wheel, it turns freely... The left wheel will still turn but with the trans in park all that means is the differential will cause the right quarter axel to counter rotate (Normally that would be a half axel but the lock cuts it into quarters) The differential on a FWD car like both Smokey's taurus and my Lumina, runs in oil, same as the rear differential on a RWD car. so there is no damage, you also run up no millage since the transmission shafft, where the millage is read, is not rotating at all  Only the axel gears (axels) and side gears in the differntial rotate,  Nothig else.  your car is thus a trailer.

Side benefit, you still tow "key in" (unlock) as you need the steering to turn.

So... I can see the theif now... Sees the car in tow, key in, pulls the pins on the tow gear, fires it up, puts it in gear and goes.... Absolutely no place at all cause the vehicle does not move.   Of course by that time you have been alerted and are inquiring if he needs some help.....going to jail
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Re: Toad towing issues
« Reply #32 on: June 06, 2005, 09:36:44 PM »
Thanks John. Bernie already explained it. Of course, we don't need either an axel lock or an axle lock with the Burb.
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Re: Toad towing issues
« Reply #33 on: June 06, 2005, 10:08:32 PM »
Bernie,

I certainly won't argue with the experts (Remco and you), but personally never heard of a tranny where the gears rattled around or moved on their own unless they were really worn ;D
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« Reply #34 on: June 07, 2005, 08:19:30 AM »
On 4WD with transfer cases the reason for putting the transmission in park is to prevent the gears from rotaing due to fluid coupling through the xfer case.
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Re: Toad towing issues
« Reply #35 on: June 07, 2005, 08:21:06 AM »

I certainly won't argue with the experts (Remco and you), but personally never heard of a tranny where the gears rattled around or moved on their own unless they were really worn ;D

I'm not the expert on this, I was only quoting Remco. I've kept the XTerra in park while towing for over 4 years now and probably close to 50k miles and haven't had an issue. Better safe than sorry. My clicking keeps the elephants away also  ;D ;D
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Re: Toad towing issues
« Reply #36 on: June 07, 2005, 07:12:22 PM »
Bernie,
Darn, and I thought I had a corner on the elephant repellent market :'(  As far as I'm concerned, 50k miles of experience makes you an expert.

Ron,

Thanks for the clarification on that point. Makes sense. My toad has full-time 4WD with the back wheels connected thru a viscous coupling rather than a transfer case, but supposedly makes no difference in terms of wear. Also, with leaving the key on to unlock the steering, I'll have to check if miles are being racked up. I'll run it up to 160 mph or so, shut the engine off and coast for a while. On second thought, maybe I'll do it at 50 or 55 ;D
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Re: Toad towing issues
« Reply #37 on: June 07, 2005, 10:51:14 PM »
Thanks Bernie and John for the GREAT axle lock descriptions.  LOL John, I got a great laugh at your thief description.  ;D

Home now but cannot type to long.  Big Sky is sitting in the driveway (after paying $500 to have someone come and remove an 80 foot locust tree that was just in the way of the MH roof as it slanted (locusts are prone to a lot of slanting) across the driveway.  If I had cut it down the traditional way that heavy locust would have cracked the county road and my bill would have been far worse from the county.The pros had to top the tree down using a bucket truck. I was glad to get BigSky off the residential street, needless to say.

I have lots to tell and even more to ask, but had my eye surgery today, and am trying to type with one eye and a severe headache.

Short version, all has gone terrific so far.
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Re: Toad towing issues
« Reply #38 on: June 07, 2005, 11:05:27 PM »
Welcome back Smoky. Wish you a speedy recovery from the eye surgery.
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« Reply #39 on: June 07, 2005, 11:12:56 PM »
Thanks Tom!  Just checking to see what I missed while I was gone.  Had 2 nights boondocking at WalMart and one night at Holiday Inn so far, and all the dry camp stuff works great!  Gonna do my first campground this coming week.

Only calculating 6.5 mpg so far but that includes lots of genset hours.  That genset is really spoiling us.

I ran over 7 curbs the first day, 2 the second day and only 2 more since the second day.   ;D
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Re: Toad towing issues
« Reply #40 on: June 07, 2005, 11:20:29 PM »
Had 2 nights boondocking at WalMart and one night at Holiday Inn

Didn't realize you could boondock at Holiday Inn. Is that a corporate policy, or did you happen to know the manager?

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Only calculating 6.5 mpg so far but that includes lots of genset hours.

You either drove a very small numer of miles or ran the genset for a huge number of hours. IIRC the genset uses something like 0.5 gallons/hour. When you get some road miles under your belt, even with genset usage, you should see somewhere around 9 mpg.

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I ran over 7 curbs the first day, 2 the second day and only 2 more since the second day

Sounds like you're going to be buying your first replacement tires much earlier than most folks.
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« Reply #41 on: June 08, 2005, 06:07:23 AM »
Welcome back Smoky.  Glad to hear you have Big Sky home now.  Hope the new owner of the house won't mind the big tree missiing.

We wish you a quick recovery from the eye surgery.

One question though.  If you boondock at a Hoilday inn can you really say 'I did stay at a Holiday Inn last night" like in the TV comercial?

Congratulations on Delivery of Big Sky.  Looking forward to the walk through at Sam's Camp.
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Re: Toad towing issues
« Reply #42 on: June 08, 2005, 06:30:03 AM »
Update - key on, no miles recorded :)  Of course, the tires are still getting wear.
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Re: Toad towing issues
« Reply #43 on: June 08, 2005, 10:05:13 AM »
Bernie,

I certainly won't argue with the experts (Remco and you), but personally never heard of a tranny where the gears rattled around or moved on their own unless they were really worn ;D

It is more likely that if you tow with the towed in nuteral, and a remco disconnect/lock installed and properly set, the slight amount of friction in the bearings may be enough to turn the tranny anyway,  Likely not enough to burn it up, but it will run up miles on the old millage meter.  Thus causing complaints

Towing in park fixes this for most cars... Some cars sense millage differently and this won't help. but I have not seen a car that sensed at the wheel ever, read about them, but never seen one
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Re: Toad towing issues
« Reply #44 on: June 08, 2005, 07:21:11 PM »
Smoky

>>I ran over 7 curbs the first day, 2 the second day and only 2 more since the second day.<<

Was that before or after the eye surgery?<G>


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Re: Toad towing issues
« Reply #45 on: June 08, 2005, 09:47:43 PM »
Update - key on, no miles recorded :)  Of course, the tires are still getting wear.

True, which is why every time you twist the collar on that axel lock you take a good look at the passenger front tire (Actually you should look at all 4 but you got to look at that one, you are lying your hand on it as you reach behind it to lock/unlock the axel)


I do believe in good tires..... I've gotten many a good laugh thanks to having good tires which were chosen with MICHIGAN in mind.

(Of course the person I was laughing at did not find it so funny.. He had good tires too,, good for Texas however, not Michigan)

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« Reply #46 on: June 08, 2005, 10:26:43 PM »
Terry:

That was before the eye surgery.  I could use that as an excuse, but that really was not a factor heheh.  User inexperience was the factor.  I am finding the coach MUCH harder to negotiate through narrow aisles than my 30 foot trailer was.  It is MUCH easier to drive on a long trip and I am less tired when I reach home.  But going into a parking lot is MUCH more difficult than the trailer was.  I am rapidly improving and should reach expert status in another week lol. I just hope the tires last during my education. :o

I should clarify the Holiday Inn boondocking.

We took the coach to see a Montgomery Gentry outdoor concert in Solomons Maryland.  The concert was awesome.  The concert location was a short walk away from the Solomons Holiday Inn.  My son is the general manager there.  We were permitted to park right next to the Montgomery Gentry tour bus which was a 2004 Prevost done in an ugly Red and Maroon.

We got some chuckles because we had friends come by to see us and began drawing small crowds.  I think people saw "Kountry Star" on the side of the Newmar and thought we were involved with the concert.  I overheard one guy telling his wife as they walked by, there is Montgomery's motorhome (pointing at out coach), and that ugly red one over there is where the band travels.   :D

We got many compliments on the coach.  It really looked nice with all the slideouts out (nice to know the general manager  :D) and of course the Prevost had no slideouts at all.  We got to meet some of the band members, but never got a chance to see the inside of the Prevost.  I bet the inside was much nicer looking than the outside.

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The magic of a campfire
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the mountains get higher
the hike was uphill both ways
and new friends become old friends

2005 KSDP3910 Newmar Kountry Star
Toad - Taurus wagon w/ axle lock
On our way to the Poudre River in Colorado for the summer!

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Re: Toad towing issues
« Reply #47 on: June 12, 2005, 09:59:59 AM »
If the BB were powered with 12VDC from the MH there would be no power in a breakaway.
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