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Smoky

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Towed miles v driven miles
« on: May 22, 2005, 10:29:02 PM »
Wow Tom, over 14k miles in their jeep, almost as much as in their motorhome.  I hope we do not have that same experience.
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« Reply #1 on: May 23, 2005, 01:29:49 PM »
Wow Tom, over 14k miles in their jeep, almost as much as in their motorhome. I hope we do not have that same experience.

We have over 51000 driven miles on our '02 Envoy & 35000 towed miles...What do you plan on doing, sitting in one place & waxing it.<G>

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« Reply #2 on: May 23, 2005, 02:25:05 PM »
LOL Terry.
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« Reply #3 on: May 23, 2005, 03:25:00 PM »
We have over 51000 driven miles on our '02 Envoy & 35000 towed miles...What do you plan on doing, sitting in one place & waxing it.<G>

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We only have 50k driven miles on our 01 Grand Cherokee and at least as many towed miles.  Never really kept track of the off road miles but I'm sure we have quite a few off road miles as part of the driven miles. ;D
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« Reply #4 on: May 23, 2005, 05:10:24 PM »
Well Terry, we won;t be doing much off road stuff in a Ford Taurus wagon.  Maybe that is the difference?  On the other hand, if the mileage indicator moves along while under tow, maybe that is the cause?

You have to remember, that while I am learning a lot, so much of this is new to me.

All I know is that the actual amount of driving we will do in the toad will be a tiny portion of the driving we will do in the mothership.  Consequently in our own budget we only have a fraction of the amount budgeted for fuel that is budgeted for the mothership.

Do you think we are making a mistake here?
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« Reply #5 on: May 23, 2005, 05:18:16 PM »
Smokey,

Our experience is very much like Ron and Terry's.  We have about 40K driving miles on our 02 Grand Cherokee and close to the same amount of towed miles.  Virtually all of the late model cars do not register towed miles on the odometer - it is electronic so if the car ignition is off or in the unlocked position the miles don't register.
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« Reply #6 on: May 23, 2005, 05:20:55 PM »
Again Don, you have an off road vehicle, not a family sedan like ours.

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« Reply #7 on: May 23, 2005, 05:26:28 PM »
I have no satistics but I would guess that Driven miles and towed miles aill average 50/50 or pretty close.
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« Reply #8 on: May 23, 2005, 05:31:54 PM »
Smokey,

Again Don, you have an off road vehicle, not a family sedan like ours.

Yes, but I don't off-road nearly as much as either Terry or Ron.  I doubt that I have 1000 miles of off-road mileage on our 02 Jeep GC.
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« Reply #9 on: May 23, 2005, 05:33:48 PM »
Ut oh.  My budget might be in deep trouble. >:(
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« Reply #10 on: May 23, 2005, 05:42:02 PM »
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Ut oh.  My budget might be in deep trouble.

Smoky:

Don't worry - the things we don't know are not the ones that produce worry lines, just the ones we do. ;) ;)

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« Reply #11 on: May 23, 2005, 05:45:31 PM »
LOL Jeff!

Well then I won't worry about it until I land in debtor's prison!
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« Reply #12 on: May 24, 2005, 10:42:11 AM »
Smoky

Electronic odometers don't register towed miles.


>>Consequently in our own budget we only have a fraction of the amount budgeted for fuel that is budgeted for the mothership.
Do you think we are making a mistake here?<<


Yes...If you are a typical fulltimer who likes to travel & explore this great nation, as opposed to parking your rig in Florida for several months & traveling by golf cart.<G>


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« Reply #13 on: May 24, 2005, 06:57:04 PM »
Smokey,

Don't worry - they did away with debtor's prison many years ago and replaced it with something even more inhumane and degrading... it's called getting a job! ;D
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« Reply #14 on: May 25, 2005, 02:32:13 PM »
Oh Gawd Karl!  Do not under any circumstances mention the J word to me! ::)

We figure to use the toad for grocery shopping and the occasional sight see trip where the MH can't reach.

In my ten week trip in 2003 I can honestly say only once did I go somewhere the MH wouldn't have gone and that was to the grand canyon.  Actually I could have towed the trailer to a nearby park and driven the last few miles in the truck, but for some reason chose to stay in the Utah campground.

I hope I don't catch whatever habits you guys have that cause such a high ratio of toad to MH mileage.   :o

I will be putting in long miles on the MH as we plan to circumnavigate the US every year.  Don;t plan to come anywhere close to that in the Taurus.
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« Reply #15 on: May 25, 2005, 04:57:55 PM »
Smoky,

I am quite certain you will end up putting more miles on the toad than you think.  The admrial will probably straighten you out on that. ;D
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« Reply #16 on: May 25, 2005, 08:35:18 PM »
Hehe, there is the A word.  Not as bad as the J word but sometimes troublesome.  If you guys are right I might have to stop buying single malts.
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« Reply #17 on: May 25, 2005, 09:02:29 PM »
Smoky, If you like malts the very best in the country are found at the Yellowstone drug store in Shoshone Wyo, ;D
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« Reply #18 on: May 25, 2005, 10:37:46 PM »
Smoky

>>I hope I don't catch whatever habits you guys have that cause such a high ratio of toad to MH mileage.<<


Boy, do you have a lot to learn.  We are staying in SLC, UT for a week as a base to see the sights. Yesterday the Johnson's & us drove to Kennecott Mines where you couldn't take your MH & then to Antelope Island where you wouldn't want to take it for one day...a little over 150 miles. A trip up the mts to Park City will be about 70 miles. Moab drives were often over 100 miles as were side trips in Capitol Reef, Bryce & Zion.

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« Reply #19 on: May 25, 2005, 11:23:30 PM »
Gee, do you guys eve do anyting but drive around?   :D
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« Reply #20 on: May 25, 2005, 11:39:25 PM »
We do a lot of driving but split our driving between the MH and the toad.  Not really too convenient to drive the MH to the market, post office, flea market, of on the White Rim Trail or Chicken Corners trail. ;D ;D
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« Reply #21 on: May 26, 2005, 03:15:53 AM »
Sorry Smokey,

Didn't mean to make you make a mad dash for the Valium. No more mention of 'that' word ;D

Unless you plan on driving your MH to places and leaving the toad at the CG, you'll probably put more miles on the toad than the MH. When you're towing it, the motor may not be turning (hopefully not), but those wheels keep "Rollin', rollin' rollin'..." anyway.

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Smoky, If you like malts the very best in the country are found at the Yellowstone drug store in Shoshone Wyo,

I Think Ron misunderstood what you meant by single malts. Ron, that's single malt Scotch Whisky - just ask Tom!  And no, I didn't misspell whisky :)
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« Reply #22 on: May 26, 2005, 08:12:51 AM »
I could easily mis understans since we don't drink anything stronger than diet soda.  ;D ;D
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« Reply #23 on: May 26, 2005, 09:05:46 AM »
Electronic odometers don't register towed miles.

Terry, Oops, thought I'd responded to this sooner. The electronic odometer on our Burb does register towed miles.
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« Reply #24 on: May 26, 2005, 09:34:19 AM »
Terry, Oops, thought I'd responded to this sooner. The electronic odometer on our Burb does register towed miles.

Tom

That's strange, yours is the first "modern" car I've heard about that does that.  ??? ???  Are your sure you are turning the ignition key to the correct position? Are there any fuses that you have to pull?
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« Reply #25 on: May 26, 2005, 09:38:20 AM »
Are your sure you are turning the ignition key to the correct position? Are there any fuses that you have to pull?

Bernie, on the Burb, Tahoe and Envoy, you tow with the ignition key out. There's no mechanical lock on the steering of these cars. The Tahoe and Envoy do not rack up towing miles, but the Burb does. There is probably a fuse I could pull, although it's not identified in the owners manual.
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« Reply #26 on: May 26, 2005, 09:58:44 AM »
Ron:

Yes we will drive toqad to market, post office etc.  Not to White rim or whatever.  That is why I cannot compare an suv to a Taurus.

As for Bryce, it is not that far from the St. George WalMart .   ;D ;D ;D
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« Reply #27 on: May 26, 2005, 10:01:39 AM »
LOL  and Tom proves one of my points.

Ron... you almost had me dashing to your drug store.  I have found great malts in stranger places than that!   ;D
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« Reply #28 on: May 26, 2005, 11:01:44 AM »
Tom,

There should be a fuse marked "Instrument Cluster" or just plain "Instruments"... something like that.
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« Reply #29 on: May 26, 2005, 11:15:53 AM »
Thanks Karl, I'll check it out. Couldn't you have told me that 15,000 miles ago  ;D
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« Reply #30 on: May 26, 2005, 11:52:47 AM »
Yes we will drive toqad to market, post office etc. Not to White rim or whatever. That is why I cannot compare an suv to a Taurus.

If all you're going to do is drive from campground to campground and never use the Taurus to go anywhere but to the local Walmart, you're going to miss out on much that's worthwhile to see in this country.  What a shame. :(
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« Reply #31 on: May 26, 2005, 12:34:07 PM »
LOL Ned, I never said that. 

I simply do not believe I will drive my toad nearly as much as most people are saying here.  And yet I will see the USA which is the main reason I am doing this.

Why argue?  In a years time the data will be in and we will know the truth.   :D
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« Reply #32 on: May 26, 2005, 12:55:47 PM »
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Why argue?  In a years time the data will be in and we will know the truth

Smoky,

And you can spend your malt money on fuel for the Taurus to balance the budget. ;)

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« Reply #33 on: May 26, 2005, 02:36:27 PM »
If all you're going to do is drive from campground to campground and never use the Taurus to go anywhere but to the local Walmart, you're going to miss out on much that's worthwhile to see in this country.

Ned,

One can save even more money and drive much less by just taking the MH from Walmart to Walmart and stay until they kick you out.    If you want a little variety, you can stay at an occasional casino.   ;D

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« Reply #34 on: May 26, 2005, 02:53:30 PM »
Phil,

Good idea.  A national tour of all the WalMarts :)  Don't need a toad at all for that.  Sounds like more fun than Lorna's tour of state capitols.
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« Reply #35 on: May 26, 2005, 04:45:54 PM »
Good idea.  A national tour of all the WalMarts :)  Don't need a toad at all for that.  Sounds like more fun than Lorna's tour of state capitols.

Lorna's tour would be ok if you could camp out in the capitol parking lot.  My parents did the state capitol tour over several years when I was young.  It was great but we cheated and stayed in motels.  ;D

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« Reply #36 on: May 26, 2005, 05:17:32 PM »
Lorna's tour would be ok if you could camp out in the capitol parking lot.

We like to stay at campgrounds, COE campgrounds if we can. But then we use our car for more than just shopping :)

Not much room for large vehicles around the capitols, but most of them have free visitor parking.  I even go on some of the visits.
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« Reply #37 on: June 27, 2005, 08:42:40 AM »
Ned,

<< Not much room for large vehicles around the capitols...>>

   Not much room for large vehicles around New England...just ask Fred. <GD&R>

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« Reply #38 on: June 27, 2005, 09:29:54 AM »
No need to ask Fred, we were there last fall :)
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« Reply #39 on: June 27, 2005, 09:07:30 PM »
One thing to consider is the effect of towed v/s driven on the toad

Of course if you tow 4 wheels UP (Trailer it) this is very little (some wear on the suspension)

But if you tow it 4 down, like most of us do, The effect is greater

Engine- ZERO WEAR

Transmission - Depends on the ride, if you use an axel or drive shaft lock/disconnect, ZERO WEAR

Differential,  RWD with dissconnect, very little wear,  FWD, I'd guess normal wear (These things normally last a long long time, the gears run in an oil bath so they are among the best lubricated parts in your car)

Shocks,  No matter how you tow,,, Normal wear  Likewise springs

Front end (Steering parts) Trailer very low wear, 4-down, less than normal wear

Tires, trailered no wear, 4 down very low wear

one thing you need to know though... If you blow a tire on the towed when towing 4-down... You may well not notice it till SERIOUS damage is done to the towed (Worst case is destroyed by fire) and possibly the MH as well...  (On my towed, if a tire blows the tread tends to fall into the rim (like those old space saver spares that got bigger when you inflated them) and you can actually drive on it CAREFULLY.  however if this were to happen at Freeway speeds, and I did not notice it, the tire would quickly shred and start shreding the fender and wheel well)

Thankfully... There is a solution... Pressure Pro monitors on all tires.. They get real vocal when you have a blow out, even tell you which tire is flat!!!
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« Reply #40 on: June 28, 2005, 04:11:02 AM »
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Tires, trailered no wear, 4 down very low wear

Eh, not exactly. 4 down and the tires are still carrying the weight of the loaded toad and if you have a toad braking system, the stopping wear is there too. Of course you're not 'burning rubber' with your 450 hp. engine when you're towing it. ;D
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« Reply #41 on: June 28, 2005, 09:24:17 PM »
Right Karl, I said "Very low wear" not zero.   I have seen trailer tires last for many years, many years indeed, since there is no power to the wheels (Even if the trailer has brakes) what really tears up tires are road hazards and power to the wheels, (If you have a rear wheel drive car then the "power" on the front wheels is from steering)  also bad alingment tears them up and in this case it matters not if towed or driven

However when towing there is almost never power to the wheels, the front is "pulled" through the turn so the turning stress is way lower than if driven, and the rear just naturally follows the front.  Thus you are looking at trailer type tire life  which is much better than the tow vehicles (for the same tire) course the 22.5's on the MH are not the 15's on my Lumina so ...
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