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Re: Widespread/extended power outages in the greater SF Bay area
« Reply #30 on: October 09, 2019, 10:12:50 PM »
I'm getting a headache  :(
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Re: Widespread/extended power outages in the greater SF Bay area
« Reply #31 on: October 09, 2019, 11:17:43 PM »
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Re: Widespread/extended power outages in the greater SF Bay area
« Reply #32 on: October 10, 2019, 07:33:42 AM »
One solution in many areas is to bury the lines. Many communities have "no overhead lines" laws everything is underground.

Yes I am aware of the issues with buried lines.. Especially in Shakey towns.. but they don't start forest fires.
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Re: Widespread/extended power outages in the greater SF Bay area
« Reply #33 on: October 10, 2019, 11:11:50 AM »
There's enough blame to go around to all parties. 

This is a novel concept.   
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Re: Widespread/extended power outages in the greater SF Bay area
« Reply #34 on: October 10, 2019, 11:46:35 AM »
One solution in many areas is to bury the lines. Many communities have "no overhead lines" laws everything is underground.

Yes I am aware of the issues with buried lines.. Especially in Shakey towns.. but they don't start forest fires.

PG&E website said the cost to bury power lines is about 5 million dollars a mile.
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Re: Widespread/extended power outages in the greater SF Bay area
« Reply #35 on: October 10, 2019, 02:03:53 PM »
Our S&B is in a neighborhood with underground utilities, but I understand the lines between communities are a much higher voltage, (500,000 volts ??) requiring much heftier insulation; hence the towers with bare wires really keep the cost down.

I know Hoover Dam supplies the Los Angels area; where else does California "import" its power from??

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Re: Widespread/extended power outages in the greater SF Bay area
« Reply #36 on: October 10, 2019, 04:43:50 PM »
I'm guessing if they hadn't been sued the power wouldn't be going off?

I wonder how many poor souls will perish due to the power outages?
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Re: Widespread/extended power outages in the greater SF Bay area
« Reply #37 on: October 10, 2019, 04:53:53 PM »

 My area is all underground and the power is 72000 volts..>>>Dan
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Re: Widespread/extended power outages in the greater SF Bay area
« Reply #38 on: October 10, 2019, 04:55:31 PM »
I'm guessing if they hadn't been sued the power wouldn't be going off?

Well you know . You are right.  but Big Business cares not for things like your life.. I mean so you die. No money out of their bank account after all.
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Re: Widespread/extended power outages in the greater SF Bay area
« Reply #39 on: October 10, 2019, 04:55:44 PM »
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I'm guessing if they hadn't been sued the power wouldn't be going off?


Good guess. In fact, PG&E filed for bankruptcy to protect themselves against further claims from the prior fires. Thousands of folks lost their homes in those fires.

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I wonder how many poor souls will perish due to the power outages?


They've tried to pre-empt any future blame or claim by saying "we gave plenty of advance notice".

Meanwhile, there were 3 'small' overnight wildfires - in areas where they chose not (or forgot) to turn off the power.
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Re: Widespread/extended power outages in the greater SF Bay area
« Reply #40 on: October 10, 2019, 05:29:41 PM »


Good guess. In fact, PG&E filed for bankruptcy to protect themselves against further claims from the prior fires. Thousands of folks lost their homes in those fires.
 

They've tried to pre-empt any future blame or claim by saying "we gave plenty of advance notice".

Meanwhile, there were 3 'small' overnight wildfires - in areas where they chose not (or forgot) to turn off the power.
So it sounds like some of the problems are maintenance related? I guess you can't plan for every outcome and it also sounds very complex.

No doubt if someone dies because of the outages they will be sued despite their attempts otherwise.....
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Re: Widespread/extended power outages in the greater SF Bay area
« Reply #41 on: October 10, 2019, 05:40:37 PM »
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So it sounds like some of the problems are maintenance related?

In a general sense, yes.

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No doubt if someone dies because of the outages they will be sued despite their attempts otherwise.....

Good luck recovering from a company in bankruptcy - their assets are "protected" (by the bankruptcy court) from any further financial claims.
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Re: Widespread/extended power outages in the greater SF Bay area
« Reply #42 on: October 10, 2019, 08:59:16 PM »
PG&E says they have 6,300 employees and 44 helicopters, including help from the state of CA, assigned to checking those 25,000 miles of power lines. Some angry residents have cussed/sworn at them, and at least one took a shot at an employee.
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Re: Widespread/extended power outages in the greater SF Bay area
« Reply #43 on: October 10, 2019, 10:07:29 PM »
PG&E says they have 6,300 employees and 44 helicopters, including help from the state of CA, assigned to checking those 25,000 miles of power lines. Some angry residents have cussed/sworn at them, and at least one took a shot at an employee.
I'm not sure shooting the employees is going to help!   :o

Ah, I now see what the Bankruptcy relates to.  Not a good situation....
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