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RockyV

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That Dreaded Propane Leak!!!
« on: October 18, 2019, 08:36:48 PM »
Hey people! Well we finally took our 1975 Terry travel trailer out last weekend and it was awesome!!! Well, for the most part. Turns out we have some sort of propane leak and I cannot totally figure out where it is coming from. Today I turned the valve to the tank on and let it sit for a bit. I entered my trailer and I smelled propane again. I traced it to the stove/oven. I smelled propane coming from the stove top pilot and I also smelled it coming from the oven. I did a soap test, bust couldn't get anything to bubble. I'm not too sure where it is and I really do not want to try and find out myself. I was thinking maybe my regulator is bad? Not sure. I attached a photo of it. I am going to take it to my local Suburban Propane guy and see if they can trace it. Anyone have any insight? I greatly appreciate it!!!

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Re: That Dreaded Propane Leak!!!
« Reply #1 on: October 19, 2019, 12:18:55 AM »
If the smell is indoors, why are you suspecting the regulator?  Did you light the pilots?

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Re: That Dreaded Propane Leak!!!
« Reply #2 on: October 19, 2019, 07:39:03 AM »
You might be able to cap off the gas line going to stove/oven, just to isolate the smell.  If capped and no smell, stove area  good place to start.  Be careful,
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Re: That Dreaded Propane Leak!!!
« Reply #3 on: October 19, 2019, 07:58:31 AM »
If you're doing a lot of leak checking something I've found helpful is a bottle of the daily shower spray - it's basically a thin soap mixture and just the right consistency for leak checking
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Re: That Dreaded Propane Leak!!!
« Reply #4 on: October 19, 2019, 10:17:46 AM »
Agree wit lynnmor - nothing you described makes the regulator suspect. If the stove has a pilot, is it turned off (RV stoves with pilots have the ability to shut the pilot gas off for travel)?  Can you light the pilot and does that eliminate the odor?    The fridge in a 1975 probably has a gas pilot as well.
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RockyV

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Re: That Dreaded Propane Leak!!!
« Reply #5 on: October 19, 2019, 10:23:41 AM »
Agree wit lynnmor - nothing you described makes the regulator suspect. If the stove has a pilot, is it turned off (RV stoves with pilots have the ability to shut the pilot gas off for travel)?  Can you light the pilot and does that eliminate the odor?    The fridge in a 1975 probably has a gas pilot as well.

Yeah I don't really know why I am thinking it is a regulator.This is still all new to me. I did do a soap test and didn't find anything. I did notice that the pilots were not lit and now what Gary says makes sense. So after I turn the propane on, I should light all the pilots correct?

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Re: That Dreaded Propane Leak!!!
« Reply #6 on: October 19, 2019, 10:26:50 AM »
IF YOU GO IN THE RV AND SMELL PROPANE, DO NOT STRIKE A MATCH TO TRY AND LIGHT THE PILOTS.  You may end up with a much greater issue. If you can vent the RV enough so that you smell nothing, then you could try to light them.  Leave all the windows and doors open when you try this.
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Re: That Dreaded Propane Leak!!!
« Reply #7 on: October 19, 2019, 10:30:19 AM »
Also check all stove knobs to be certain they're fully off. If someone leaned against one it can come slightly out of its detent and seep gas. Don't ask me how I know
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RockyV

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Re: That Dreaded Propane Leak!!!
« Reply #8 on: October 19, 2019, 10:31:39 AM »
IF YOU GO IN THE RV AND SMELL PROPANE, DO NOT STRIKE A MATCH TO TRY AND LIGHT THE PILOTS.  You may end up with a much greater issue. If you can vent the RV enough so that you smell nothing, then you could try to light them.  Leave all the windows and doors open when you try this.

Yes I did do that.

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Re: That Dreaded Propane Leak!!!
« Reply #9 on: October 19, 2019, 10:33:59 AM »
Agree wit lynnmor - nothing you described makes the regulator suspect. If the stove has a pilot, is it turned off (RV stoves with pilots have the ability to shut the pilot gas off for travel)?  Can you light the pilot and does that eliminate the odor?    The fridge in a 1975 probably has a gas pilot as well.

The fridge does have a pilot. It's on the outside of the trailer. Should I light that as well? I lit the stove top/Oven pilots and the furnace one. I am doing a test now.

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Re: That Dreaded Propane Leak!!!
« Reply #10 on: October 19, 2019, 10:45:19 AM »
Usually the pilot has a shutoff valve (you open a valve to the "pilot" position before lighting) and there is a thermocouple-valve that has to be heated for 20-30 seconds to force the valve open so the pilot lights and stays lit. Those are intended to keep gas from escaping unless the pilot is actually lit.  Generally, though, if the gas system uses pilot lights, it's best to shut off the main gas valve when the gas system is not needed (pilots not lit).
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RockyV

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Re: That Dreaded Propane Leak!!!
« Reply #11 on: October 19, 2019, 11:02:17 AM »
Usually the pilot has a shutoff valve (you open a valve to the "pilot" position before lighting) and there is a thermocouple-valve that has to be heated for 20-30 seconds to force the valve open so the pilot lights and stays lit. Those are intended to keep gas from escaping unless the pilot is actually lit.  Generally, though, if the gas system uses pilot lights, it's best to shut off the main gas valve when the gas system is not needed (pilots not lit).

Yeah I was just going to state that about the temperature sensor (thermocouple) valve. I don't know if this trailer has that or not. So far I do not smell propane after lighting my pilots. I will check again in a 1/2 hour. I hope I am doing the right thing.

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Re: That Dreaded Propane Leak!!!
« Reply #12 on: October 19, 2019, 06:33:23 PM »
Based on the age of your TT, it MIGHT not have the pilot Gary described.  If it does not, then your leak could well be the unlit pilots.  They are "on" any time the gas is on.  I would sooner expect it has the safety pilot Gary mentioned.

To light the first pilot, turn on the tank and hold a match near the pilot.

To light the safe version, you must turn the gas valve on the stove to "PILOT" and hold the valve in, bypassing the safety, and light the pilot.  Hold for 30 sec to warm the thermocouple, then turn the valve to "ON"    If you can light the pilot without going through all this, you have the first style.

I hope you have the safer version, but if you do not, it would explain the odor with no leaks - except the pilot.
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Re: That Dreaded Propane Leak!!!
« Reply #13 on: October 19, 2019, 08:04:13 PM »
Stove top pilots are usually centered under the burners and have a small valve in line with them to cut off the gas flow.  It may be located some distance from the pilot itself, just follow the gas line under the stovetop until you find it.  There's no safety thermocouple, just the gas valve itself because the amount of gas going through the pilot is so small.

Usually on is when the gas valve handle lines up with the gas lines going in and out, and perpendicular to them to block the gas flow.

A pilot left on without a flame can cause a leaking gas smell.

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Re: That Dreaded Propane Leak!!!
« Reply #14 on: October 20, 2019, 03:12:14 PM »
Based on the age of your TT, it MIGHT not have the pilot Gary described.  If it does not, then your leak could well be the unlit pilots.  They are "on" any time the gas is on.  I would sooner expect it has the safety pilot Gary mentioned.

To light the first pilot, turn on the tank and hold a match near the pilot.

To light the safe version, you must turn the gas valve on the stove to "PILOT" and hold the valve in, bypassing the safety, and light the pilot.  Hold for 30 sec to warm the thermocouple, then turn the valve to "ON"    If you can light the pilot without going through all this, you have the first style.

I hope you have the safer version, but if you do not, it would explain the odor with no leaks - except the pilot.

Thanks for the reply! I do not think it has the safety pilot, so I just have to light the pilot after I turn the propane on. I did that with the oven and the furnace. I do not have a propane smell now. So happy to figure this out. Thanks for the help!!!

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Re: That Dreaded Propane Leak!!!
« Reply #15 on: October 20, 2019, 06:52:20 PM »
Back then they also did not have propane detectors.  ALL modern RVs do now for obvious reasons.  I HIGHLY encourage you to make this small safety investment with a detector similar to this.  PS: Glad you got this figured out  :))

https://www.amazon.com/MTI-Industries-30-442-P-WT-Propane-Alarm/dp/B000AMBHG4/ref=sr_1_4?crid=6Z7LKRFZRW0Y&keywords=rv+propane+detector+12v&qid=1571615470&sprefix=rv+propane+detect%2Caps%2C156&sr=8-4

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Re: That Dreaded Propane Leak!!!
« Reply #16 on: October 20, 2019, 07:51:45 PM »
Back then they also did not have propane detectors.  ALL modern RVs do now for obvious reasons.  I HIGHLY encourage you to make this small safety investment with a detector similar to this.  PS: Glad you got this figured out  :))

https://www.amazon.com/MTI-Industries-30-442-P-WT-Propane-Alarm/dp/B000AMBHG4/ref=sr_1_4?crid=6Z7LKRFZRW0Y&keywords=rv+propane+detector+12v&qid=1571615470&sprefix=rv+propane+detect%2Caps%2C156&sr=8-4



Thanks for the recommendation. I will check it out. I did get a Carbon Monoxide detector. Yeah I am happy I figured this out! Now onto the water tank! Hahahaha!

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Re: That Dreaded Propane Leak!!!
« Reply #17 on: October 21, 2019, 07:10:09 PM »
How do you eat an elephant?
One bite at a time.
How do you fix multiple problems?
One at a time!

Congrats on one down!  We are here to help.
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Re: That Dreaded Propane Leak!!!
« Reply #18 on: October 21, 2019, 08:10:14 PM »
How do you eat an elephant?
One bite at a time.
How do you fix multiple problems?
One at a time!

Congrats on one down!  We are here to help.


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