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Re: Best way to learn guitar for beginners
« Reply #60 on: October 23, 2019, 09:16:09 AM »
My current favorite guitarist is Joe Satriani. He spreads his fingers so far it looks like he had them  surgically redesigned or he comes from a different planet. ???

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« Reply #61 on: October 23, 2019, 02:44:23 PM »
Well I was practicing guitar today and I decided to try Russ's suggestion. I failed miserably so I made a quick and dirty clip to show just how little my fingers can stretch. I can put my pinky on the 10th fret and make it an E7. I can barely get it on the 11th fret but it doesn't sound right and I can make it to the 12th fret just barely but then my middle finger is pressing down on the low E string. I haven't played it in years so I am rather sloppy and I did not spend a lot of time trying to dial in the tone. Notice on my fretting hand I have a rather large bump on the knuckle of the ring finger. I don't know where it came from but my guess is from playing China Grove too many times. Don't laugh too hard.

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« Reply #62 on: October 23, 2019, 03:19:43 PM »
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Re: Best way to learn guitar for beginners
« Reply #63 on: October 24, 2019, 05:47:08 AM »


https://www.amazon.com/Caramel-Electric-Ukulele-Professional-Beginner/dp/B07R2KHSMH/ref=sr_1_12?keywords=tenor+ukulele+with+tuner+built+in&qid=1571577334&s=musical-instruments&sr=1-12

Then after you have been playing the ukulele for a year and have built up some finger strength you can buy a]

Can you get ukuleles with auto tuners?  I am so glad you posted this. I want to get one. Have tried for years to learn guitar and you are right...hurts too bad for me to commit!
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Re: Best way to learn guitar for beginners
« Reply #64 on: October 24, 2019, 06:09:17 AM »

https://www.amazon.com/Caramel-Electric-Ukulele-Professional-Beginner/dp/B07R2KHSMH/ref=sr_1_12?keywords=tenor+ukulele+with+tuner+built+in&qid=1571577334&s=musical-instruments&sr=1-12

Then after you have been playing the ukulele for a year and have built up some finger strength you can buy a
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Can you get ukuleles with auto tuners?  I am so glad you posted this. I want to get one. Have tried for years to learn guitar and you are right...hurts too bad for me to commit!
The uke in this message has a built in tuner. Yes there are lots of ukes with tuners built in. Do a search at Amazon for 'tenor ukulele with electronics' and pick the one you like the best and fits your budget. You have to be careful when looking at Amazon search results because there will be sponsored results might not have a tuner.

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Re: Best way to learn guitar for beginners
« Reply #65 on: October 24, 2019, 09:23:14 AM »
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Can you get ukuleles with auto tuners?


I assume you know this from playing guitar ... they're not 'auto tuners'; They merely tell you if the string you're plucking is tuned too high or too low, and you make the adjustment manually, just as you would with a clip-on tuner. A few of my instruments have built-in tuners, but I still use the same clip-on tuner with them all.

Be aware that you're paying extra for the electronics that go with a built-in tuner, and they usually have a pre-amplifier in the same set of electronics. Unless you need to amplify the sound via an external amplifier, the electronics is unnecessary additional cost. OTOH a good clip-on tuner  costs a few $$, so if you only plan to own one instrument, it's almost a wash.
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Re: Best way to learn guitar for beginners
« Reply #67 on: October 24, 2019, 09:50:30 AM »
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Actually they do make auto tuned guitars and auto tuners.


But that's not what one would be getting in a $69 ukulele.
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« Reply #68 on: October 24, 2019, 09:53:35 AM »
But that's not what one would be getting in a $69 ukulele.
Not today but I bet it will be in ten years.

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Re: Best way to learn guitar for beginners
« Reply #69 on: October 24, 2019, 10:00:39 AM »
I don't see the need to amplify a ukulele for personal or family use. Someone playing a gig might need it, but a number of pro performers prefer to use a stand-mounted mic'. We amplify only the solo mic's in the band when we're performing in a show.

On a personal note, a few of my instruments have built-in pre-amps/tuners, and one has an add-on (adhesive/magnetic) pickup. But my strumming style is such that I hit the top of the uke at the end of a (down) strum, and that gets picked up and amplified, so I've rarely used amplification.
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Re: Best way to learn guitar for beginners
« Reply #70 on: October 24, 2019, 10:02:29 AM »
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... I bet it will be in ten years.


Peggyy doesn't want to wait 10 years  ;)
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Re: Best way to learn guitar for beginners
« Reply #71 on: October 24, 2019, 12:50:50 PM »
I have asked for one for my birthday in november.  Or maybe for Christmas!  I like the one on Amazon. May get that one.  It would be great to take along camping.  To play inside the camper so I am not distubing the peace of course.  I took violin lessons a few years back and the practicing was painful to the ears.  Just ask my hubby.  Lol  i finally gave it up. 
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« Reply #72 on: October 24, 2019, 01:13:01 PM »
I have asked for one for my birthday in november.  Or maybe for Christmas!  I like the one on Amazon. May get that one.  It would be great to take along camping.  To play inside the camper so I am not distubing the peace of course.  I took violin lessons a few years back and the practicing was painful to the ears.  Just ask my hubby.  Lol  i finally gave it up.
Trust me, the ukulele is 100 times easier than the violin. You live 30 miles from me and if you want you can come by and get free lessons. Bring your hubby if you would be nervous. You also live ten miles from the Winter Park Public Library where we hold our meetups on the second Saturday of each month. You can come by and watch us if you don't have a uke and some one will lend you one or if you buy one bring it and we can get you started. The first Saturday in December we always participate in the Winter Park Christmas Parade.

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Re: Best way to learn guitar for beginners
« Reply #73 on: October 24, 2019, 02:20:37 PM »
On another personal note ... I've seen so many folks buy an inexpensive ukulele partly because "it looks nice", only to later find out that it was a mistake. I've even had someone buy a ukulele in Hawaii and bring it home as a gift for me, saying "I liked the look of it", but it turned out to be a piece of junk. IMHO aesthetics should not be one of the main/first criteria for buying an instrument. This doesn't mean that good looks are bad, or that some entry level instruments shouldn't be purchased. But you get what you pay for.

Meanwhile, an offer of free hands-on lessons can't be beat, and playing with other uke players will enhance the experience and help improve individual playing. Newcomers to our band go through individual beginner classes with our Music Director, then when I welcome them to the main band I tell them that further learning will occur at our weekly practices.
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« Reply #74 on: October 25, 2019, 05:27:44 AM »
Trust me, the ukulele is 100 times easier than the violin. You live 30 miles from me and if you want you can come by and get free lessons. Bring your hubby if you would be nervous. You also live ten miles from the Winter Park Public Library where we hold our meetups on the second Saturday of each month. You can come by and watch us

Thats a very generous offer! Thank you!  I might just take you up on that sometime!
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Re: Best way to learn guitar for beginners
« Reply #75 on: October 25, 2019, 06:18:42 AM »
Looks like they come in different sizes and tenor or soorano.  Which is best for a beginner?
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« Reply #76 on: October 25, 2019, 06:27:03 AM »
Looks like they come in different sizes and tenor or soorano.  Which is best for a beginner?
There are four basic sizes for ukuleles. Soprano, concert, tenor and baritone. Soprano is a very small uke that is what comes to mind when people think of ukuleles. Concert is slightly larger, tenor larger yet and baritone even larger. A baritone is actually a small guitar and not a uke as it is tuned like a guitar and not a uke. The proper size for you is the one that fits your hands the best. For most adults that would be a tenor. Best bet is to visit a Sam Ash or a Guitar Center in Orlando. Both have a collection of ukes on display and there is no problem playing any of them. A photo is worth a thousand words so here is a good photo.

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Re: Best way to learn guitar for beginners
« Reply #77 on: November 11, 2019, 09:46:03 PM »
My daughter found a teacher on upwork, it's cheaper and she stays home, she likes his lessons!

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Re: Best way to learn guitar for beginners
« Reply #78 on: November 12, 2019, 08:56:16 AM »
I, too, am interested in learning how to play guitar. I was considering buying Rocksmith to see if I can play it on my Surface Pro. Then I can learn anywhere in a fun way.

Rocksmith is a video game similar to Guitar Hero, but it uses any real guitar with a 1/4" audio jack. Supposedly, it adjusts to your skill level to improve how you play overall.
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« Reply #79 on: November 12, 2019, 08:58:34 AM »
I, too, am interested in learning how to play guitar. I was considering buying Rocksmith to see if I can play it on my Surface Pro. Then I can learn anywhere in a fun way.

Rocksmith is a video game similar to Guitar Hero, but it uses any real guitar with a 1/4" audio jack. Supposedly, it adjusts to your skill level to improve how you play overall.
Go for it. Sounds like a blast. I have Rock Band Beatles and it is fantastic.

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« Reply #80 on: November 12, 2019, 05:27:31 PM »
One thing I might add on learning guitar. I have been playing for close to 40 years. There is no secret way, or magic bullet. It takes thousands of hours to learn to play at any decent level. Some people think they can learn in six months or a year. This is not realistic. I have taught many people to play guitar. I start them on a five year plan. Once they reach five years, they say, "ok I made five years, whats next". I then tell them, "you are now on the life time plan". Most people quit once they realise it takes considerable time and dedication. You never stop learning. Even Eric Clapton still takes guitar lessons. As long as you get enjoyment out of it, you have reached your goal. I will never stop playing, and still play a lot. I have played professionally at different times in my life, but in my opinion, still have a lot to learn. You are never alone if you play guitar.
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« Reply #81 on: November 12, 2019, 06:33:49 PM »
Thanks muskoka guy, and very well said. Regrettably, those of us - like me - who started late in life don't have "a lifetime" to practice  :(
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« Reply #82 on: December 11, 2019, 11:31:39 AM »
Another memorable, and easy to learn/play song, was "Gloria" by Them.  Three chords, none barred. 
No matter how bad the band, kids always danced to it.
Actually there are three barred chords in the solo. High E, D and A with the E played on the 12th fret, the D on the 10th fret and and A on the 9th fret. But the basic song has no barred chords.

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Re: Best way to learn guitar for beginners
« Reply #83 on: December 12, 2019, 08:43:19 PM »
I learned by picking up an old Bob Dylan songbook around 1964 plus an old Stella folk guitar. The fretboard was like an aircraft carrier and the stings were like razors.

But, I liked Dylan and knew the songs.

The chords weren't too bad to figure out from the tabs at the top of the musical staffs. Usually three chord progressions, so I'd practice and sing and kept myself amused.

I kept at it and my fingers would get sore, then they finally calloused and I could play longer. After a while, I had more finger strength and could do "the hard chords" which gave me more songs to play.

Graduated to Rolling Stones and Grand Funk Railroad - again, mostly three chord progressions.

Never did bother to learn to play lead guitar as I was pretty happy strumming rhythm guitar and singing.

You get out of it what you put in - being able to play a few tunes around a campfire (Johnny Cash, Willie Nelson, Blake Shelton, Adele, Moody Blues, Beatles, Elton John  - you get the idea) and having others join in a chorus or laugh when you forget the words is pretty great.

And, if you are stable for a couple of months, sign up for a beginners class - but make sure YOU define how deep you want to go - the last thing I could have put up with was months of theory and repetitious scales. Now that I can finger and play, it could be interesting to play some lead... but I'd have to grow my hair out and polish up my hippie beads and repaint and name my motorhome something special... hmmm...

Remember to have fun and that there is a world of difference between playing a guitar and mastering the instrument.
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« Reply #84 on: December 13, 2019, 02:51:11 AM »
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If you want to play lead you better spend some months learning theory and playing scales. That is exactly what lead guitar playing is all about. You can learn lead without those two things but you would probably not be very good and it would take a lot longer.

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« Reply #85 on: December 13, 2019, 03:42:30 AM »
Coincidentally, I had that same discussion yesterday with someone who thought they could buy a guitar for a relative, and they'd be "playing" in no time. I explained that, if I decided to play lead, I probably don't have enough years left to become any good at it  :(
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« Reply #86 on: December 13, 2019, 03:55:31 AM »
Coincidentally, I had that same discussion yesterday with someone who thought they could buy a guitar for a relative, and they'd be "playing" in no time. I explained that, if I decided to play lead, I probably don't have enough years left to become any good at it  :(
You could become quite good at playing lead in less than a year if you spent three or four hours a day at it. It is not that hard to play lead. You just have to be able to not become bored with endless scales. Here is a great starter video I was watching yesterday:

https://youtu.be/ZmlGvHmQZH0

Coincidentally I have a new guitar arriving today. And Epiphone Les Paul Jr Special II in blue. I love the looks of my current guitar but it is way too heavy. I went to the local Guitar Center and found one that was a lot lighter. I was not playing guitar very often because the thing hurt my back. I also found my old notebook with my 50 favorite guitar songs from my last band. My New Year's resolution is more guitar.

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« Reply #87 on: December 13, 2019, 04:07:05 AM »
Thanks Tom. I've watched and subscribed to a number of starter/beginner guitar videos and classes. I came to the conclusion some years ago while learning to play keyboard that, for me, it's a combination of a learning issue and a dexterity issue.

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I saw that online and saw it at a Guitar Center in Columbus yesterday; Nice looking instrument, although I didn't pick it up. I was in GC returning a piece-of-junk mandolin; The only time I've bought an instrument without playing it first. I love their returns policy - 45 days at any GC in the country.
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« Reply #88 on: December 13, 2019, 04:32:23 AM »
A lot of guitarist claim that inexpensive guitars are just junk. I never pay over $200 for a guitar because I think that expensive guitars are a waste of money. I personally could not tell the difference between this cheap guitar and a very expensive Gibson Les Paul. It feels exactly the same to me. They also claim that expensive guitars sound better. Now that might be true for acoustic guitars but electric guitars do not make any sounds. They produce electro-mechanical vibrations that the amp turns into sounds you can hear. The amp is totally responsible for the sound of an electric guitar and the price of the guitar is meaningless to me.

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Re: Best way to learn guitar for beginners
« Reply #89 on: December 13, 2019, 09:18:42 AM »
If you want to play lead you better spend some months learning theory and playing scales. That is exactly what lead guitar playing is all about. You can learn lead without those two things but you would probably not be very good and it would take a lot longer.

I agree. That's why I said "could have" meaning back when I was first learning to strum some chords I didn't want months of scales and theory. However, now (56 years later), I have the time and patience.

As I said, playing a guitar is different than mastering it. A good lead player understands music rather than repeats a phrase they've heard on the radio.
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