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Safe Free Drafting Software For Windows
« on: November 10, 2019, 08:51:26 PM »
Hi,

Anyone know of a safe and reliable drafting software for windows.  I thought in my spare time i would go ahead and start creating my home that i plan to start building in a few years. 

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Re: Safe Free Drafting Software For Windows
« Reply #1 on: November 10, 2019, 09:18:04 PM »
You might find something that'll work for you here:

https://all3dp.com/1/best-free-online-cad-software/
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Re: Safe Free Drafting Software For Windows
« Reply #2 on: November 10, 2019, 10:13:24 PM »
Thanks, there are also several on GitHub but i have never been able to access GitHub via my hughesnet connection, something to do with the header timeout or something.  Some sites are just not accessable, its a well known issue.
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Re: Safe Free Drafting Software For Windows
« Reply #3 on: November 11, 2019, 07:01:32 AM »
This site lists a number of open source CAD programs.
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Re: Safe Free Drafting Software For Windows
« Reply #4 on: November 11, 2019, 11:49:19 AM »
I designed and built, (from the ground up) three different houses the old fashion way using a scale, straight edges, some triangles and a calculator and   much used erasers.
 I made all my mistakes on paper and then when it was time to do the bricks and sticks, wiring and plumbing it was very enjoyable
 I did all of the above on the side while I was in the work force as a non-degreed electrical/Instrumentation engineer

I just said to my wife the other day as I was designing some cabinets that I should find a free course in CAD, so I'll keep a close watch on your post

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Re: Safe Free Drafting Software For Windows
« Reply #5 on: November 11, 2019, 12:04:34 PM »
I have been very happy with DraftSight. Before I retired, I used AutoCAD extensively. Thr commands and menu structure in DraftSight is so similar to AutoCAD, that the learning curve was zero. I just opened it and started drawing. The only time I need to refer to the Help Files, is when I have forgotten how to do something.

If you are new to CAD, there are several good books on AutoCAD that will help you get started with DraftSight.

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Re: Safe Free Drafting Software For Windows
« Reply #6 on: November 11, 2019, 01:17:29 PM »
Interesting story.

I was the first person to use AutoCad on a portable computer.

In the early 80's I was doing design and consulting work developing Ambulatory Surgery Centers.

I set up an office in a motorhome and outfitted it with a Compaq portable computer, (looked like a sewing machine with a fold down keyboard), a plotter, and a copy of AutoCad version 1.1A.

AutoCad had never been installed for a customer with a portable computer.  The Technical person and I debugged it to get it running.  That is how I know that I was the first to use it on that hardware.

One of the big advantages to using AutoCad back then was that the Health care Architects that I dealt with at the varius state's department of health did not have access to anything like it.

Up until then you would submit plans on paper, they would review them and make comments and you would redraw the plans.

I had several state architects at different times come out the the office in the motorhome and make the changes on the computer and then plot out a new set and sign off right then.

That's my story and I am sticking with it.
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Re: Safe Free Drafting Software For Windows
« Reply #7 on: November 12, 2019, 01:33:30 AM »
i work at a two year community college at the college of San Mateo at 1700 west blvd San Mateo ca 94402 are email is @gmail.com im a instructional aide II I'm retiring after 21 years of teaching computer but start computers before windows I'm 6  foot 9 any help would be grateful I'm a disabled veteran, eagle scout, master mason, volunteer of year from Jackie spear volunteering over 12000 hour, teacher of word, excel, powerpoint, access, quickbooks, mac, windows, search engines, I'm a researcher, i like finding jobs for people, my wife works k-12 . she already retired as of November we set up are own business look forward to more at .com and youtube video of the challenges of being tall 6 foot 9 and short 5 foot 4 we also have running a non profit for 15 years as president and treasure and vice president a newsletter and a succeed hot line and got volunteer of the year from San Mateo county

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« Reply #8 on: November 12, 2019, 07:53:49 AM »
Welcome to the forum. Can you do one thing for us?  Use the proper punctuation like capital letters at the start of sentences and periods at the end of sentences. It will make it so much easier for us to read your posts. Thanks.
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Re: Safe Free Drafting Software For Windows
« Reply #9 on: November 12, 2019, 10:25:03 AM »
I used SketchUp (free version) when designing my sons tiny house.  We ended up not using any contractors but were told by several that they could take everything that they needed to build things from a Sketch UP file, including a SIP panel manufacturer.  We chose not to use them but it was nice to know.

When building we just had the laptop file open and built the walls using measurements from the program.  We used a shed roof lofts, so only the two end walls were the same, but each 2x4 in that wall was a different length and had to be cut for slope of the roof.   
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Re: Safe Free Drafting Software For Windows
« Reply #10 on: November 12, 2019, 04:34:05 PM »
Thanks, ill give that a try to see if it can import smartdraw files.   My smartdraw demo time is just about over, so im doing screen prints and saving the images using paint just in case i cant open those files after my demo time is over.

Here are a few of my plans so far, not perfect but i think if someone had to redo them it would make the job easier.  There are no inspections here, i still want to do everything the right way but at least i have alittle freedom with no code inspections here.

I do have one question, can the power company extend my current power lines in the ground if i need more line, or do they have to run all new line?  I seem to remember seeing a power guy when i was little adding extra length to a line.   My plan is the take the current RV power station and remove it from the ground and frame the house around where that use to be and then just extend the conduit up the side of the house and into the utility room on that corner, easy peazy right :)

I still need to do the electical plan and wall plan but i have all week to do it as this cold front is going to last all week. 

Comments welcomed and appreciated :)

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Re: Safe Free Drafting Software For Windows
« Reply #11 on: November 12, 2019, 04:48:20 PM »
I forgot to add the floor framing image..

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Re: Safe Free Drafting Software For Windows
« Reply #12 on: November 13, 2019, 04:42:43 PM »
Freecad will do architectural and 3D modeling and it has a good support forum. 

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« Reply #13 on: November 13, 2019, 05:52:38 PM »
Thanks...    i did also find quite a few mistakes in those images as i went through them in detail so i have fixed those in my file versions.
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Re: Safe Free Drafting Software For Windows
« Reply #14 on: November 13, 2019, 07:43:44 PM »
Freecad will do architectural and 3D modeling and it has a good support forum. 

That is the one via github and i cant access github for some reason via hughsnet sat, i never have been able to.   

nevermind i got it via firefox first time ever wow...

OH its for windows server not PC, and you have to compile it... i cant do that...

Oh i see i have to use the portable 7z version.    I had to access it this way

https://github.com/FreeCAD/FreeCAD/releases

as the full url would not work on either browser

https://github.com/FreeCAD/FreeCAD/releases/download/0.18.4/FreeCAD-0.18.4.980bf90-WIN-x64-portable.7z

I think if fails during the TLS handshake

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« Reply #15 on: November 15, 2019, 03:06:01 AM »
I feel like such a goofball, tonight after my verizon was active i still could not download the freeCAD... so i started messing around and trying stuff and low and behold all this time, just over a year now, i have not been able to get into github on the hughesnet and it was all because my killer control panel drivers were WAY outdated.   I didnt know that the killer control center was seperate from the drivers and you need to download the new drivers all by themselves.  After i did that wow i can access anything and faster than before. 

There are soooooooooo many drivers on a computer how can anyone remember to update them all, seems so crazy to manage it...

I am installing freeCAD now... thanks :)
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Re: Safe Free Drafting Software For Windows
« Reply #16 on: November 15, 2019, 07:29:41 AM »
Can these programs be run on Mac computers?   
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« Reply #17 on: November 15, 2019, 07:57:18 AM »
Some can -- you just have to check each one for its platform availability.
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« Reply #18 on: November 15, 2019, 08:48:17 AM »
Just a thought… You may want consider the spatial relationships of your design. The furniture/cabinets in your drawings are out of proportion. For example: an 8’ wide kitchen is tiny and there would be no room for an island if there are cabinets and countertops on three sides. Also, in the 5’ space between the pantry and exterior wall, there would be no room for a round table, especially one that seats four. Most round tables are 42”-48” in diameter. The chairs would be touching the walls, no room to walk around the table and certainly no room to open the door to the pantry. Your biggest bedroom is 10’ x 10’ with no closet. A bed is almost 7’ long which doesn’t leave much room for other furniture. I could go on but I think you get my point.
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Re: Safe Free Drafting Software For Windows
« Reply #19 on: November 15, 2019, 06:49:45 PM »
Direct download link:
https://www.freecadweb.org/

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« Reply #20 on: November 15, 2019, 08:54:16 PM »
Just a thought… You may want consider the spatial relationships of your design. The furniture/cabinets in your drawings are out of proportion. For example: an 8’ wide kitchen is tiny and there would be no room for an island if there are cabinets and countertops on three sides. Also, in the 5’ space between the pantry and exterior wall, there would be no room for a round table, especially one that seats four. Most round tables are 42”-48” in diameter. The chairs would be touching the walls, no room to walk around the table and certainly no room to open the door to the pantry. Your biggest bedroom is 10’ x 10’ with no closet. A bed is almost 7’ long which doesn’t leave much room for other furniture. I could go on but I think you get my point.


I 100% agree, you are exactly right.   My plan was to put things in there so i would not forget about them, then filter it a second time for proper measurements, then filter it again for realistic features and placement, then when that is all done i can print them out as jpg files.    Then at that point any changes can be hand written on them and since i hope there wont be many of those i wont make a mess out of the prints.  If so i can always mod them with paint since my demo with smartdraw will be over.

I will have a new batch of photos in the next day or so to share., 


Direct download link:
https://www.freecadweb.org/

Yes jim thanks, i got it to dl finally last night and installed it today, still learning how it works. 

Yes folks i am also looking at other CAD options that were suggested here, thank you so much for that :)

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« Reply #21 on: November 16, 2019, 02:42:20 AM »
I made some changes, removed the table and put in a counter along side the stove.  Queen bed fits, removed tub noone takes a bath anymore anyway, i dont....  Showers are the way to go..   Changed the doors to 33in...      Master bedroom closset at 5ft x 1.9 should be big enough, and room to walk around the bed now.  For the guest bedroom ill just do a portable popup closset and small single bed most likely.  Sofa should fit and entertainment center at 4ft long i believe is long enough. 

I also check measurements up and down and sideways and they all seem to be 40x20 for the house and also match inner rooms.   

So i think (unless i am missing something) that these are ready for final printing.... ill have to adjust the other images as i go.

If someone has time can you please check my concrete calculations on the foundation image, if its too small let me know and ill post a bigger one.  thanks


yes its a bit small to read so i have included an image with the calc on there..

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« Reply #22 on: November 16, 2019, 08:53:11 AM »
Back in the dark ages I built a small house (12 × 48) and found that spacing of supports under a clear span is critical (walls reinforce the bridge between the posts). I wound up using several screw jacks to bring floors back to level after a while. I'd limit clear spans to six feet maximum.

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« Reply #23 on: November 16, 2019, 10:12:29 AM »
The last complete house I designed and built was 16' x 36' and had clear span floors and ceilings for an open floor plan. The floors used 16' x 18" trusses and the roof used 18' x 6' single pitch trusses rated for a 90 lb/sq ft snow load. Built on a mountain top in upstate NY, the roof was designed to retain snow for the extra insulating value.
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« Reply #24 on: November 16, 2019, 05:13:45 PM »
The last complete house I designed and built was 16' x 36' and had clear span floors and ceilings for an open floor plan. The floors used 16' x 18" trusses and the roof used 18' x 6' single pitch trusses rated for a 90 lb/sq ft snow load. Built on a mountain top in upstate NY, the roof was designed to retain snow for the extra insulating value.

I love the look of old wooden beams, i bet that looked great with you got done.  But it does not snow here and it would be beyond my ability to do this myself, with the help of a friend now and then.  Some things i know i wont be able to do myself, for those ill get some help. 


Back in the dark ages I built a small house (12 × 48) and found that spacing of supports under a clear span is critical (walls reinforce the bridge between the posts). I wound up using several screw jacks to bring floors back to level after a while. I'd limit clear spans to six feet maximum.

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So just to be clear, your talking about my 8ft spans between the pillers right.  The front deck shows the floor joists layed out, i did not show the floor joists some of the other sections in the house because they were just a repeat of the front porch setup.     Or do you mean that i should limit pillars to 6ft regardless even with floor joists?


The plan is the get the exterior done quickly as to get the HOA off my back (i know i will be pushing the 8 month limit to do that), i just cant work that hard and long every day. The exterior is all they care about.  Then i can take my time on the interior until the cows come home, especially once i get utilities going. 



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« Reply #25 on: November 17, 2019, 09:35:21 AM »
I was talking about spans that do not have a wall above them. If the wall is nailed well to the floor and has a rigid facing it combines with the beam to form a rigid box beam. But, on reflection, I think I'd recommend supports on four foot centers to be on the safe side. Or use doubled 2 by 10's at a minimum.

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« Reply #26 on: November 17, 2019, 09:34:18 PM »
Oh ok thanks for explaining. Regarding the rim joists, yeah i have been thinking about the rim joists the last few days, figured i would change them to 2x10, but you are 100% correct, double 2x10 would be the best way, no since in going cheap on the very thing that supports your house ya know... Thanks for the suggestion ill make the change :)

Its really too bad that i had to change my plan to use screw piles instead of concrete.  I really love the screw pile security of your home being actually secured to the ground.  Think about it, not even concrete piles or slabs are tied to the ground, but screw piles are, they cant be pulled out by wind or weather, they dont break and they dont rust, great tech in foundations.

But i found out that noone in Texas is licensed to do them (thats what the MFG told me) which shocked me considering all the coast homes we have down south, maybe there is another MFG that does it but i have not found them yet.  I would have to hire someone from out of state that is big big money that i wont have.   Ill check again when im ready to start building in a few years as things might change but im not holding my breath. 

The best thing about screw piles is that the operator can tell by pressure when they are into bedrock or very hard soil, with regular wood piles there is no way to know, they could still be in mud there is no way to test it i guess from my reading.



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« Reply #27 on: November 18, 2019, 10:32:58 PM »
Yep im def gonna have to make some changes, when i transposed the floor plan over the foundation plan the walls didnt match up with the floor supports.   From the pantry to the kitchen, that section of house is supported its just from there down that does not match up.

As you can see in the image below, the yellow lines are the approx placements of the floor supports under the house,  and the red line would have to be the self engineered beam or steel beam (25 foot long) that would be needed to support the roof accross the living room.   

Also roof beam sits on the corner of the pantry where there is no pillar and also above a window on the other end, which is not good and could fail.  I can add a beefy pillar under the house for the support but i dont think even with a beefy window header on the other end, that it could carry a 25ft beem there, so ill have to move the window as well or narrow it.

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« Reply #28 on: November 19, 2019, 11:54:30 PM »
Question, i found a video using LVL beams, in the video they are dong a 25ft span and so they use 4 LVL bound together.  But the video never said anything about how wide the boards are, it looks to me like its about 14 inches, i found that LVL comes in 14 inch widths. 

Does this look like 14 inches to you?    Thanks



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« Reply #29 on: November 20, 2019, 06:37:45 AM »
I had a 20 ft span at the peak of my add on living room and had a beam fabricated for the span. It was laminated 2 by fours and about the same height as you show. The advantage was that I was assured of clear lumber (no knots or other defects).

Ernie

Note: I did stress calcs on on all spans at the time and recommend you do, or have done, the same.
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