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Wood vs metal framed trailer
« on: December 19, 2006, 02:38:57 PM »
hi iam looking to upgrade my camper. i am looking to trade in my kz 2809 bh 2005 for a sunnybrook 07 the kz was great but too small i have 6 kids. can anyone tell me what the difference is between a wood frame and alluminum frame. which is better?.  ::)thanks for the help

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Wood vs metal framed trailer
« Reply #1 on: December 19, 2006, 06:45:02 PM »
...can anyone tell me what the difference is between a wood frame and alluminum frame. which is better?.

Gary already answered that question here. You might have missed his response.
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Wood vs metal framed trailer
« Reply #2 on: May 15, 2007, 10:28:30 AM »
personally,I would go with a alum. framed fiberglass sided trailer, easier to pull and maintain (clean) make sure the brand you look at is a crowed roof, I like the vinyl roofs also,  ether way you go it's all good   

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« Reply #3 on: August 13, 2007, 07:10:17 PM »
I'm a woodworker.  I love wood.  But for structure nothing beats good old steel.  Aluminum is good for saving weight but the design details are more important to 'get it right' verse steel.  So: Steel, aluminum, red oak, wood.....in that order. ;D ;D ;D me thinks
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« Reply #4 on: August 13, 2007, 07:24:05 PM »
If done correctly the Aluminum would be my choice.  However, they mix aluminum and steel in the assembly serious corrosion can result unless the manufacturer is knowledgable and careful in getting it right.
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« Reply #5 on: August 14, 2007, 11:28:45 AM »
I know woods that make steel look...  Mild, However I agree, steel beams have an advantage, They can be fairly light weight.

That said.. I think my rig is a wood frame for the most part.. Steel reinforced however.
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« Reply #6 on: October 26, 2007, 08:51:42 AM »
I would go steel too...  ;D
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Re: Wood vs metal framed trailer
« Reply #7 on: October 26, 2007, 08:00:59 PM »
Working for an aircraft company for over 25 years I must say aluminum is definitely way go. ;) Can't beat the strength to weight ratio of a 7075-T7, or even 6061-T6 (wieldable) structure aluminum that is used in most campers today. Steel and aluminum coexist (corrosion possibility) only if manufacturer took appropriate steps and expense to process those materials correctly. 8)
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« Reply #8 on: October 26, 2007, 08:05:44 PM »
If I recall there was one RV manufacturer that didn't take the right precautions when they used steel fram work and aluminum on the sides.  Guess it wasn't uncommon to find corrosion around the rivit heads.
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« Reply #9 on: August 15, 2008, 10:31:34 AM »
My Father's 2007 KZ Spree (29ft) has aluminum framing and it seems to be quite stronger then his last wood framed trailers.
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« Reply #10 on: August 16, 2008, 06:29:40 PM »
I vote for aluminum.  When we were considering upgrading a few years back, a pretty smart man asked Mr. Aphrodite this question, and I couldn't help but remember it, "Would you drive a wood frame car or travel on wood spoke wheels?"

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« Reply #11 on: August 16, 2008, 07:26:15 PM »
I vote for aluminum.  When we were considering upgrading a few years back, a pretty smart man asked Mr. Aphrodite this question, and I couldn't help but remember it, "Would you drive a wood frame car or travel on wood spoke wheels?"

That would be the Morgan.   From Wikipedia:

In 2000, the Morgan Aero 8 was introduced and, as always, the wooden body substructure was ash. (Contrary to popular myth, however, the chassis is metal; aluminium for the Aero 8). The Aero 8, with a BMW V8 engine in a car half the weight of the BMW, is even faster than the Plus 8, delivering what Autoweek magazine termed supercar performance. The newest Aero 8 (Ser. IV) puts out 367HP @6100 rpm giving it a top speed of over 170 mph. Due to the Aero 8's light weight it can do 0-62 in 4.5 seconds.   http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morgan_Motor_Company

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« Reply #12 on: August 19, 2008, 03:55:01 PM »
Don’t forget the British WWII Mosquito aeroplane :) :)

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Wood works IF done well .... and you can keep the bugs and water out.
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« Reply #13 on: August 29, 2008, 06:13:25 PM »
You guys forgot the Spruce Goose airplane? it was heavy but it was proven to fly.
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« Reply #14 on: August 29, 2008, 06:22:29 PM »
I believe the engineers that designed the plain came up with a treated wood called Durabond or Duramold, something like that. And back then it was proven to be stronger and lighter than aluminum.
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« Reply #15 on: October 03, 2008, 02:37:32 PM »
hi iam looking to upgrade my camper. i am looking to trade in my kz 2809 bh 2005 for a sunnybrook 07 the kz was great but too small i have 6 kids. can anyone tell me what the difference is between a wood frame and alluminum frame. which is better?.  ::)thanks for the help

Alum Framed Bonded wall is the best, The down fall to wood framed coaches is the insulation used. It's batted and falls down slowly over time, So you end up with a gap on your top corners. Some feel Alum is allot lighter than wood, Not true, A little but not allot. Most mauf use Spruce wood which is great, But still wood, If you develop a leak, What is going to rot??? Your frame, Plus other things, With alum this is not a concern.
Some said they would prefer STEEL. There is NO manuf that uses Steel in their side wall, Only the chassis and roof trusses.
Alum coaches also have a lower center of gravity. There are many benefits to both. But the answer your question. There were just a few diffs.

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« Reply #16 on: January 15, 2009, 01:05:18 PM »
We've got a 30 year old Airstream, 28 ft'er...it's in great shape and has been towed all over the place before we took 'custody' it...properly done, you just can't beat alum framing (and alum skin, as well) for longevity... ;D 

I believe some of the older AS's were built better than today's current models... 

We've replaced the axles on our AS so it has some 'spring' in it's step, so to speak, and gives it a like new, ride quality!

We have an old Class C MoHo with wood framing, bought it new in 78, and it's really 'tired' and loose in the joints - all that wood, put together on a production line back then, just doesn't stand up to time as does alum framing...

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« Reply #17 on: January 15, 2009, 01:49:59 PM »
The OLDER Airstreams that were built by the orignal manufacturer are of very high quality and design.
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Re: Wood vs metal framed trailer
« Reply #18 on: February 19, 2009, 07:12:50 AM »
hi  i am looking to upgrade my camper. i am looking to trade in my kz 2809 bh 2005 for a sunnybrook 07 the kz was great but too small i have 6 kids. can anyone tell me what the difference is between a wood frame and aluminum frame. which is better?.  ::)thanks for the help


Kz and sunnybrook are both excellent manufactures. The aluminum is lighter and wood is less likely to delaminate. As long as the wood frame has a fiberglass finish (not metal) wood is fine.

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« Reply #19 on: March 30, 2009, 09:45:00 PM »
All trailers will leak no matter who builds them. Wooden frame that gets wet stays wet.wet wood rots. Buy the sunnybrook smooth side... all aluminum framing with a steel frame. Check all caulking!!! lights, markers, roof, windows, doors and molding. look for mold and cracks on caulk.  look for grey on linoleum floors if you got grey floors you got leaks. if you have leaks you have rot.I work on more trailers due to water infiltration than i do anything else.I have never had to remove and replace aluminum framing but i have with wood frame count on it being removed once water gets to it.By the time you notice a leak your wooden frame has been decomposing.
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« Reply #20 on: April 30, 2009, 10:13:10 AM »
There are a lot of misconceptions when you compare wood vs. aluminum in the cage construction of an RV.  First understand, that almost all RV's have a steel main frame, the part of the frame that is under the floor, it usually consists of two I-beams that run the length of the trailer, inside of the wheels with crossmembers that are welded in between the two I-beams and steel "outriggers" extend from the I-beams to the full width of the RV.  Typically there is then a "cage" frame built up from this foundation...it is typically either wood, aluminum or a combination of both.  So from this point you are considering the frame to be the following components, each of which can be wood or aluminum:

Floor - which sits above the steel main frame.  The steel main frame crossmembers are not on 16" centers so a sub-floor needs be built on top of this for proper support

Sidewalls - the sidewalls can be built similar to a house and on 16" centers.  In this process the exterior walls can be either mechanically attached aluminum skin or a fiberglass that is glued to the sidewall frame and considered "hung-glass".  Some manufacturers utilize a laminated wall construction in which case the aluminum studs are not typically on 16" centers, instead they are placed as needed for proper support and strength.  The laminated wall gains much of its strength through the lamination process which is the bonding of the exterior walls to sidewall structure, sandwiching the insulation in the middle (typically expanded polystyrene) and then laminating the interior wallboard. 

Front & Rear Walls - the frame construction of the front and rear walls can be either wood or aluminum.  The exterior can be aluminum, fiberglass or a molded fiberglass cap.

Roof - The frame can be either wood or aluminum.  Typically it is trussed which give the exterior roof a slightly curved profile which helps to drain rain or shed snow.  The trussed roof is also typically stronger than a flat roof design.  The exterior of the roof is usually either rubber or TPO.  Rubber roof membranes are a common more affordable roof material, but are prone to UV damage, ozone damage and tend to lend to the black streaks so commonly found on the sidewall of trailers.  The TPO roof is a UV and ozone resistant material, typically thicker than rubber and does as easily create the black streaking.  TPO is also stain and mildew resistant.

Now...which is better, wood or aluminum?  The thought of wood usually scares off some people, but when built properly is really not a bad product to use, it's very forgiving by nature, it has the ability to flex as needed and return to its original configuration continually over time.  The construction of the wood frame is what you need to look at.  Are they using staples or screws or both?  The only way to really know if the wood frame is built well is to see it being built or take the word of someone who has seen the trailer you are interested in being built. 

Wood is a product that will rot if introduced to water or moisture.  If the trailer was built right it shouldn't allow water or moisture to penetrate the areas where the wood is located.  You should be able to inspect a trailers build process well enough to see if it is prone to leaks...but remember, even trailers that leak aren't always easy to find the point of entry for water, so rather than simply looking for good caulk jobs, you should be looking at the manner in which the trailer was built...what did the RV manufacturer do to keep water from penetrating a wall or roof?  Ask those questions and make sure you're getting intelligent answers, not just an RV salesmen making up what he thinks you want to hear.

Aluminum is a welded frame, some people fear the welds will break over time.  I think this is a mute point as long as the welders know what they're doing and apply more than a "tack" weld when constructing the frame.  Most people believe aluminum to be lighter than wood and it is, but most manufacturers don't take advantage of the lightweight characteristics of aluminum...in the end the only thing that matters is the coach you are interested in and its dry weight....you might be surprised that wood and aluminum constructed trailers aren't as far from each other in weight as you might have guessed. 

Take two trailers of equal size, features and benefits...if one of them is significantly lighter than the other you can plan on paying quite a bit more for the lightweight trailer, if it's built right.  Why?  Because it is probably taking advantage of higher cost composite materials.  If it isn't more money you can figure the weight savings was possible because it was "cheapened" up by taking out the materials needed to deliver a quality product that will last for more than just a few years.

So, I'm not making this easy...and that's because it's not a cut and dry answer.  There are merits to both aluminum and wood...I can tell you after having seen many different RV's being made, I wouldn't mind owning either, as long as the one I chose was built right from the start.  I think the best place to get answers is on forums like this one...you can speak with the owners of the RV you're interested in purchasing and find out what problems they've experienced and more importantly, how their problems were handled.  I can promise you one thing...there aren't any RV's out there that are 100% trouble-free...you're going to need repairs of some kind at some time...will your dealer and more importantly, will your manufacturer stand behind your RV after you've already purchased it.  The people on these forums will let you know!  Good luck and I hope I was able to shed some light on your question.

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Re: Wood vs metal framed trailer
« Reply #21 on: April 30, 2009, 01:29:07 PM »
Great briefing. 

Thank you for your contribution to the issue.
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« Reply #22 on: April 30, 2009, 01:44:29 PM »
I thought that was an excellent explanation of the differences between wood and metal framing. Thanks for posting that info.
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Re: Wood vs metal framed trailer
« Reply #23 on: December 27, 2009, 07:22:15 PM »
From reading all of the posts I would conclude that both will perform satisfactorily.  Therefore I would base my choice of campers on the million other criteria that do affect the quality of life camping.  With six kids, make that two million. :D