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Re: Let’s Put This Coronavirus “Hysteria” into Perspective
« Reply #120 on: March 24, 2020, 12:39:17 AM »
Whilst self isolation, minimizing travel, and only shopping for what is required should be everyone's mandate wherever you are in the world, at some point in the future, the world will have to proceed. Hopefully it will be after the pandemic is downgraded, but what happens long term if we cannot take back control?

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« Reply #121 on: March 24, 2020, 12:54:21 AM »
... but what happens long term if we cannot take back control?

Control of what?
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Re: Let’s Put This Coronavirus “Hysteria” into Perspective
« Reply #122 on: March 24, 2020, 07:32:15 AM »
Just curious.  Do you guys do this annually?  If so, do you have a history of concerns?  I've had the so called pre-cancer skin thingies frozen periodically.  But unless I mention it, dermatology just doesn't come up during my annual visit.   
I have an appointment with a dermatologist twice a year since having three surgeries to remove basil, squamous and melanoma sites. I was going quarterly, but I've been clean for a while so they reduced it to three times a year and now twice a year. Hopefully we can get back to just annually.
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Re: Let’s Put This Coronavirus “Hysteria” into Perspective
« Reply #123 on: March 24, 2020, 07:40:12 AM »
I agree with the exams; in fact I'm on a six month exam schedule after having a number of cancers removed. Living in FL now may be partly responsible for that. I strongly suggest that anyone over fifty consider having an exam and take the dr's reccomendation as to future exam intervals.

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Re: Let’s Put This Coronavirus “Hysteria” into Perspective
« Reply #124 on: March 24, 2020, 09:34:29 AM »
Control of the virus

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Re: Let’s Put This Coronavirus “Hysteria” into Perspective
« Reply #126 on: March 24, 2020, 02:51:58 PM »
I agree with the exams; in fact I'm on a six month exam schedule after having a number of cancers removed. Living in FL now may be partly responsible for that. I strongly suggest that anyone over fifty consider having an exam and take the dr's reccomendation as to future exam intervals.

Ernie

I'm on a six month schedule right now after having 21 cancers removed over the last 25 years. I had an appointment for tomorrow but canceled it along with all other non-essential doctor's appointments in the last two weeks. But yesterday, I noticed in the mirror a mole on my face turning blue that had popped up since my last doctor's visit. I called them back today and made another appointment for tomorrow. This isn't something I want to wait six months or longer to have taken care of.
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Re: Let’s Put This Coronavirus “Hysteria” into Perspective
« Reply #127 on: March 25, 2020, 06:36:52 AM »
Where there’s a will, there’s a way.

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/clubs-closed-covid-19-strippers-205306427.html

After you get the knee done, and if this is still ongoing then it does look like there are job opportunities at least.   ;D

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Re: Let’s Put This Coronavirus “Hysteria” into Perspective
« Reply #128 on: March 25, 2020, 07:25:33 AM »
After you get the knee done, and if this is still ongoing then it does look like there are job opportunities at least.   ;D

Wash your Patties.

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Re: Let’s Put This Coronavirus “Hysteria” into Perspective
« Reply #129 on: March 25, 2020, 09:05:20 AM »
LOL, gator. When I'm naked, I don't even like to look in a mirror anymore! 
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Re: Let’s Put This Coronavirus “Hysteria” into Perspective
« Reply #130 on: March 25, 2020, 10:27:13 AM »
Hi Gary B. and gate,

Your both still good looking but some of the muscles have just moved around a bit. Maybe it isn't all muscle. I keep wondering who the old guy is in front of my mirror and how he got there.  :)
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« Reply #131 on: March 25, 2020, 11:23:01 AM »
Hi Gary B. and gate,

Your both still good looking but some of the muscles have just moved around a bit. Maybe it isn't all muscle. I keep wondering who the old guy is in front of my mirror and how he got there.  :)

I keep hearing on the news that old folks should stay home and some stores have special shopping times for old folks. I mention this to the wife and she reminds me that they are talking about us. Oh yeah...
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« Reply #132 on: March 25, 2020, 11:25:12 AM »
Just curious.  Do you guys do this annually?  If so, do you have a history of concerns?

As with others who have responded, we also have annual checkups by a dermatologist. Every year he finds things to freeze off or remove for biopsy.

I'm a real believer in this.  My father and a close business associate died from skin cancers that weren't caught in time. Just because they are "on the surface" doesn't mean that they can't do considerable harm.  Even people with darker skin colors can have dangerous skin cancers; one of our acquaintances here in coastal TX has been fighting for her life for 3+ years after having been diagnosed with a kind of melanoma that mostly is found in darker-skinned people.
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« Reply #133 on: March 25, 2020, 11:33:43 AM »
I keep hearing on the news that old folks should stay home and some stores have special shopping times for old folks. I mention this to the wife and she reminds me that they are talking about us. Oh yeah...

Went grocery shopping yesterday.  Two lines to go in.  One for us seniors and one for the rest.  Seniors can go in a half hour early.  I was number 5 in the old folks line.  It only took about 20 minutes to get into the store.  Then it was pretty much business as usual.  Didn't leave me feeling very secure. 

But this is just life in SoCal for now.  Hopefully the rest of the country will not have to experience this insanity.  On the positive side, getting to the store during rush hour was a breeze.   

 
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Re: Let’s Put This Coronavirus “Hysteria” into Perspective
« Reply #134 on: March 25, 2020, 01:47:21 PM »
I think if someone ordered food to be delivered and I rolled up topless, not only would they immediately lose their appetite but they would also demand a full refund.

A Laugh, does the soul good.  I am getting your drift, for sure.   ;D

I feel young until I look at myself in a mirror.

I guess that proves the theory that some of us never grow up. 

I think RVn and the sense of adventure leads to this young mind set in us all. 

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Re: Let’s Put This Coronavirus “Hysteria” into Perspective
« Reply #135 on: March 25, 2020, 02:21:31 PM »
Control of the virus

If we don’t get control,then it is the end of life as we know it,I suppose.  Those who are left will build a better world,I hope.  Those who didn’t make it,God will sort it out.  The more overwhelmed the medical community is at one time,the more who will die due to lack of resources.  I suggest we all lockdown for two weeks.  Grocery,medicines and doctor visits.  Gas for the essential employees.  Maryland just needs to do it.  Every state in the union.  Close state boarders.  Either make an all-out effort or ramp up the coffin industry.  Did all the politicians buy up the stocks?
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Re: Let’s Put This Coronavirus “Hysteria” into Perspective
« Reply #136 on: March 25, 2020, 03:05:53 PM »
Its too late for that, this thing is already everywhere, look at the Johns Hopkins map https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6  The only places without lots of red dots are a few of the very sparsely populated states, add to it the un-diagnosed cases and this thing is just about everywhere.
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« Reply #137 on: March 25, 2020, 03:12:53 PM »
Its too late for that, this thing is already everywhere, look at the Johns Hopkins map https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6  The only places without lots of red dots are a few of the very sparsely populated states, add to it the un-diagnosed cases and this thing is just about everywhere.

I take that as a good sign.
There appears to be around 3 million infected, now, and of those about 400 thousand reported as requiring medical attention, and of those about 20 thousand deaths

So, while the chances of being infected are scary, the chances of survival are good.
"Keep your distance" seems to be the motto of the week.
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« Reply #138 on: March 25, 2020, 03:20:17 PM »
I fundamentally disagree with that last statement, this thing is growing fast, and it takes time for people to die, it does not kill instantly, people tend to linger for a while before they die, so most of the deaths we have seen are from people that got sick 2 weeks ago.

The numbers I am seeing when looking at hot spots like New Orleans, are 80% recover at home, but may feel really bad for a week or so.  20% need hospitalization which is primarily supportive care plus supplemental Oxygen, and of those that are hospitalized, about 25% end up on a ventilator, with about 30-50% of those eventually dying.   The numbers get much worse when you look at older people, for those over 70, 50% end up in the hospital on Oxygen, 30-40% of those then end up on ventilators, of which 50% die.

If the hospitals fill up, then we may be looking at 20% death rate for those that can't get Oxygen, etc.
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« Reply #139 on: March 25, 2020, 03:40:40 PM »
I fundamentally disagree with that last statement, this thing is growing fast, and it takes time for people to die, it does not kill instantly, people tend to linger for a while before they die, so most of the deaths we have seen are from people that got sick 2 weeks ago.

The numbers I am seeing when looking at hot spots like New Orleans, are 80% recover at home, but may feel really bad for a week or so.  20% need hospitalization which is primarily supportive care plus supplemental Oxygen, and of those that are hospitalized, about 25% end up on a ventilator, with about 30-50% of those eventually dying.   The numbers get much worse when you look at older people, for those over 70, 50% end up in the hospital on Oxygen, 30-40% of those then end up on ventilators, of which 50% die.

If the hospitals fill up, then we may be looking at 20% death rate for those that can't get Oxygen, etc.

Yes, for many, survival is going to depend on getting proper medical care for those in need. We must hope that the US can recreate the efforts of China and South Korea to contain the thing.
I suspect the real cases in the US are approaching 420,000, now. And many of them are in the population centers where the medical centers are going to be severely stressed.
near 18,000 reported cases in NYC, alone.

Check the left-hand column, and select Admin3 for US stats:

https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6
 
In two weeks we could be looking at 2 million in the US, with a couple hundred thousand needing medical attention.
Can we build hospitals as quickly as the Chinese did?
I saw where New York is turning their largest Convention Center into a medical facility.
Many of the other cities may be doing the same thing, pretty soon.
 
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« Reply #140 on: March 25, 2020, 06:30:29 PM »
I started getting sick Sunday. My wife and son had just gotten over being sick. It started with a sore throat and morphed into a cough and then a fever. My wife called our doctor yesterday and he said he wanted me to get the Coronavirus test. So he called the testing center here in Dover and then I was instructed to call the center. They questioned me for about 15 minutes and then I was told I didn’t meet the criteria. Truth be known, I do not have COVID-19 but the reason I did not meet the criteria is I cannot say with any certainty that I came into contact wit someone that tested positive. Another reason I couldn’t get tested is I am not a pro athlete or very rich or a politician.
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« Reply #141 on: March 25, 2020, 07:07:44 PM »
the reason I did not meet the criteria is I cannot say with any certainty that I came into contact wit someone that tested positive.


Patently ridiculous. How does one know who used the gas pump last, the shopping cart, the sink in the restroom?  All the places we are told the virus could be picked up.
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« Reply #142 on: March 25, 2020, 07:12:57 PM »

Patently ridiculous. How does one know who used the gas pump last, the shopping cart, the sink in the restroom?  All the places we are told the virus could be picked up.

I agree but that is one aspect of the criteria. This is an excerpt from the Delaware site for Coronavirus testing:

“ How to determine if you need testing

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention recommends people call their health care professional if they feel sick with a fever, cough, or difficulty breathing and have been in close contact with a person known to have COVID-19.
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« Reply #143 on: March 25, 2020, 08:01:15 PM »
My area is starting drive through testing for high risk people tomorrow at the area event center, here is the catch, it is for 2 hours per day 4 days per week limit 130 people per day, to qualify you must be running a fever of over 100.4, and have a cough or shortness of breath plus meet one of the following criteria, be over 60, be diabetic, immune compromised due to HIV or cancer treatment, or have a heart condition (high blood pressure does not count).  Proof of local area residency required, ...

Note this is for a 4 parish (county) area with a combined population of about 300,000 people, of also it is limit of 2 people per car, both must be sitting in the front seat, the site is about 60 miles from my house,...
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« Reply #144 on: March 25, 2020, 08:31:25 PM »

   Yep.....Y’all are getting hit pretty hard down there.  With the weather warming up, keep your eyes open....and don’t be stepp’n on any Coronas. I’m staying in better touch with my kids since all this started. Even talking with aunts, uncles, and cousins!

  My grandsons are using their, away from school time, catching a lot of fish. So, they may not have TP, but they ain’t going hungry!  ;D  The silver lining, I guess!    memtb
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« Reply #145 on: March 25, 2020, 09:32:57 PM »
As with others who have responded, we also have annual checkups by a dermatologist. Every year he finds things to freeze off or remove for biopsy.

I'm a real believer in this.  My father and a close business associate died from skin cancers that weren't caught in time. Just because they are "on the surface" doesn't mean that they can't do considerable harm.  Even people with darker skin colors can have dangerous skin cancers; one of our acquaintances here in coastal TX has been fighting for her life for 3+ years after having been diagnosed with a kind of melanoma that mostly is found in darker-skinned people.

  likewise I had a girlfriend many years ago with skin cancer. She had a patch of it cut off her shoulder about the size of the palm of your hand and they grafted a patch on it that they peeled off of her butt. When she would get mad I would tell her "there you go again Shirley with your arse on your shoulders" sadly she died three years later leaving 2 young children. The cancer spread and she died of brain cancer.
  This along with the insistence of my doctors keeps me getting the yearly freeze and cut.
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« Reply #146 on: March 25, 2020, 10:18:19 PM »
For those that doubt how quickly this thing is getting worse, please see this excerpt from today's Louisiana Health Department daily status update,


Case count
As of noon on March 25, the Department reported 407 additional cases of COVID-19, bringing the total to 1,795.

Hospitalization
Yesterday, 271 COVID-19 patients were hospitalized. Of those, 94 patients required ventilation.

Currently, 491 COVID-19 patients are hospitalized. Of those, 163 patients require ventilation.

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Re: Let’s Put This Coronavirus “Hysteria” into Perspective
« Reply #147 on: March 26, 2020, 09:04:58 AM »
Really deadly for a hoax isn't it?
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Re: Let’s Put This Coronavirus “Hysteria” into Perspective
« Reply #148 on: March 26, 2020, 09:31:41 AM »
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The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention recommends people call their health care professional if they feel sick with a fever, cough, or difficulty breathing and have been in close contact with a person known to have COVID-19.
And how might any of us know that with any assurance at all?   Do I get names of everybody in the grocery store and track the medical history of each for 14 days thereafter?    If people cannot get tested readily & quickly, how can we know if cousin Ralph or neighbor Sarah has it or not?   Someone in your family or social circle has to get ill enough to be hospitalized in order to prove you have been exposed (and by then it's often too late).    In essence the CDC is saying we can't provide testing unless you are already 99% sure you have COVID-19.  It's confirmation rather than pre-screening.

I get that some (a lot?) of test requests are panic-induced, but if a brief review by a medical pro checks enough boxes on symptoms, it ought to be enough to get a test to know for sure. And that in turn should trigger testing for known associates  so they can take additional measures.    But the entire country lacks the means to do that except for notable exceptions (e.g. celebrities).
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« Reply #149 on: March 26, 2020, 09:39:49 AM »
I had an appoint with our GP this morning for pre-op screening. It was cancelled while was in his office waiting. He was exposed to someone with confirmed COVID-19 last week. Luckily they were able to reschedule me this afternoon at an alternate location.
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