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RVing in Europe
« on: June 07, 2005, 04:33:20 PM »
Since we have a number of UK and European members, I thought they might care to share some information about RVing "over there". Some questions that come to mind are:

  • What kind of RVs are bought/used?
  • Are European brands of RVs expensive to buy?
  • Do many people import RVs from the USA or Canada?
  • Is it possible to rent an RV for touring Europe?
  • Do many UK RVers take their RVs across the channel? If so, what is it like driving a wrong-side vehicle in Europe?
  • What kind of roads and road conditions should a would-be RVer anticipate?
  • What are the campgrounds like?
  • Does the very high cost of fuel limit the distances travelled?
  • What are the great European RV destinations?
  • Anyone have experience of RVing on both sides of the Atlantic care to explain some similarities and differences?
  • Lots more questions.

Thanks for any and all inputs.

If you haven't already seen it, Terry and Lilliane Nathan have posted a chronicle of their recent RV trip North to Lapland which makes great reading. You can view photos of their custom European coach by clicking Photos in the toolbar above.
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Re: RVing in Europe
« Reply #1 on: June 08, 2005, 08:53:45 AM »
All,

When we were working in Spain we saw and later talked to a couple who shipped a new Lazy Daze 23 foot Class C to England (www.lazydaze.com).  That's about a $65,000+ coach.  They drove it around for two or three 4 to 5 month periods and, I think, sold it there.  We tried to rent it but it was in use when we had the time.  We still belonged to the "working class" back then.  I believe that the way to do it is to get a few "compatible" RV friends" together, ship a MH over or buy one there, get an inside storage place in England (English speaking country) for interediate storage, and split the usage over the next few years.  Diesel would be preferred because of the cost of fuel.  Also, get plenty of insurance because a poor decision by one of the owners can affect all the owners.  I have no idea of the shippng cost or other costs involved.

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Re: RVing in Europe
« Reply #2 on: June 08, 2005, 09:01:28 AM »
Thanks Jerry. If you were able to rent, were you planning on using it only in the UK, or were you planning on crossing the channel?

FWIW the Brits who have visited our forum recently (besides Terry Nathan) didn't appear to be sharing their U.S.-purchased RV with anyone else. OTOH they had sold or were planning to sell their homes and go fulltime.
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« Reply #3 on: June 08, 2005, 06:50:26 PM »
Tom,

We have discused RVing in the UK and all of Europe so we would cross the Channel.

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« Reply #4 on: June 18, 2005, 09:34:14 PM »
Not much response to this topic other than Jerry's. FYI here's a photo of my parents' "caravan" (aka travel trailer) that they towed around the UK for many years before upgrading to something larger.
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« Reply #5 on: June 19, 2005, 11:32:12 AM »
Tom

that's a huge subject, not sure how we should handle all that.   For starters, American motorhomes are very popular in Europe, mainly UK, Holland and Germany.   It became more difficult to import them into Europe once wide bodies (102") came about - that is too wide for European legislation.  However at the top end Monaco's are OK since they are 100.5 inches wide.   There has never been a better time for Europeans to buy US RVs because the US$ is so low against the UK pound and the Euro.  Fofr example, when I bought the Prevost in April 1992 the exchange rate was $1.42 = 1.   Today it is around $1.83 to the UK , a huge difference (I wish I had waited!).

In the main the European dealers in American RVs have failed to pass on that saving - for example a Monaco Dynasty is priced in the UK in pounds what it is in dollars in the US, and it was that way three years ago.   The lesson from that it is way better to buy it in the US yourself, use it for a trip in the USA and then have it shipped to Europe.   Europeans also have to learn to shop around - it is too easy to go straight to Lazy Days - they are the nearest geographically to Europe and the sales people there know it.  When I was enquiring about the price of a Country Coach Affinity they told me there were no discounts but "they would throw in a CB radio so I could chat to my friends as we drive down the interstate".   The Affinity had a CB as standard!   

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« Reply #6 on: June 19, 2005, 11:37:58 AM »
Hi Terry, thanks for the comments. Yes, it is a big subject and one I hope others will add to.

So, 102" is the European size limit. Does that include saftey equipment such as mirrors and other stuff attached to the coach, such as awnings? Here it appears that width limits universally exclude mirrors that might actually stick out quite a bit.

Looks like we've had several visitors here recently who are in the process of taking advantage of the savings by buying in the USA.
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« Reply #7 on: June 19, 2005, 12:01:46 PM »
No Tom, the law in Euroland is "the maximum overall width for motorhomes is 2.55 metres.  Not included are any driving mirrors and any lamps or reflectors fitted in accordance with the lighting regulations.  Awnings would have to be included in the overall width of 2.55 metres."   2.55 metres comes out at 100.4 inches, so even the Monaco's fall outside that width limit.

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« Reply #8 on: June 19, 2005, 12:21:54 PM »
OK thanks Terry. I wonder if they actually take out a tape measure when an RV comes off the ship.
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« Reply #9 on: June 19, 2005, 05:26:26 PM »
All,

The second Lazy Daze Class C that we had was only 99 inches wide and "exactly 30 feet long".  It was configured like a Class A in that it had a rear bedroom (no climbing up over the cab).  The over cab area was for the TV entertainment system and other storage.  They use Ford and they might be putting them on a Ford Diesel chassis now.  This might be a good American MH for the UK and the rest of Europe.  Don't confuse the Lazy Daze MH manufacturer with the seller of MHs called Lazy Days, they are differnet.  They are at:   http://www.lazy daze.com

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« Reply #10 on: June 20, 2005, 03:47:07 AM »
Thanks Jerry, I did know the two outfits were different; I have a high regard for Lazy Daze RVs, whereas the dealership ......

Terry

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« Reply #11 on: June 20, 2005, 12:05:56 PM »
Terry,

Lazy Daze has no dealerships.  People can only buy from the factory.  BTW, they are at http://www.lazydaze.com.  In my previous post I had a space between the two words Lazy and Daze.

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« Reply #12 on: June 23, 2005, 01:48:24 PM »
Hi All (sorry Tom, only just found the post)

We haven't actually done our RV buying, touring, importing, etc etc as yet (roll on January 2006).

But, this is the plan :- we can buy our RV in the US, tour for a year (visa's permitting), import the RV into the UK and (taxes permitting) sell it at a price that covers our expenses for the year.

There are a lot of Class A's being driven along the motorway (M5) I regularly use - in a 40 mile run, I nearly always see 1 RV on every trip during our main 3 summer months (my record is 4 RVs in one journey).

I would have to say that owning (and operating) an RV in the UK can only be regarded as "showing off".

Unlike the US, we havent the space to store them, most campgrounds wont have them and the fuel cost makes it pretty insane to drive them.

Imagine paying $0.72 PER MILE just to drive an RV in the US, then consider maintainance, the actual purchase cost and depreciation - add to that roads that are virtually impassable and you would probably not drive one in the US either.

BUT - MORE AND MORE BRITS ARE DRIVING THEM (total madness).

So, we believe we can do our tour and will have little problem selling the RV upon our return.

As for the RV width issue, the limit is 100" (100.4) - it would be a brave person to import anything over that width. Whilst I haven't heard of any officials with tape measures, I wouldn't want to import a $150,000 RV only to have to ship it out again if things were ever checked.

Here are a few websites for the UK, should anyone care to take a look :-

RV Dealers
www.usrv.co.uk
www.freedom-motorhomes.co.uk
www.dudleys-rv.com
www.americanmotorhomes.co.uk
www.oakwellmotorhomes.com

European Model Dealers
www.marquismotorhomes.co.uk
www.donamott.com
www.brownhills.co.uk

UK Motorhome Forum
www.mmmonline.co.uk [update: dont bother, it's not that good]

Caravan Club
www.caravanclub.co.uk
www.campingandcaravanningclub.co.uk

UK Motorhome Shows
www.stoneleisure.co.uk
www.westernmotorhomeshow.co.uk
www.caravanandoutdoorshow.co.uk

Europe Rentals
www.abimo.be
www.easirent.com
www.elite-motorhomes.co.uk

Various
www.motorhoming.com/clubs.htm
www.practicalmotorhome.com
www.arvm.uk.com


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« Reply #13 on: June 23, 2005, 03:15:24 PM »
Thanks for that info and for those links. Lots to digest there.

With so few campgrounds willing to accept a large coach, I'm really surprised at the popularity of them over there. But, as you say, that popularity is what's going to make it easy for you to sell and get your money back.

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Imagine paying $0.72 PER MILE just to drive an RV

Just for everyone's understanding, you're talking only of the fuel cost there.

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along the motorway (M5) I regularly use

How well I remember my speeding ticket on the M5  - towing a trailer full of camping gear from our rained-out week of camping in Cornwall. Back then it was 45mph max; Tough to go that slow when cars were whizzing by at 70-100mph  :)
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« Reply #14 on: July 04, 2005, 06:43:36 AM »
Hi

It seems there is a misunderstanding on the popularity of American RV's in Europe, you don't see many of them overhere.
We travel  twice a year to France and /ore Spain and we don't pas many American RV's on a 3-4 weeks holliday.
I allways tought there where no more American motorhomes in England as on the Continent, however I can be wrong here, we tour England allways in winter...
On one occasion I arrived just behind an American RV on a campsite in France, he was not allowed in as the weight of his RV would damage the land.  When we did a trip the next day I saw him parked outside on another campside, so that was number two who didn't let him in. Most campsites just haven't the space for those enormous (for European standarts) rigs.
About there fuel consumpion, only the "happy few"  can afford to drive them.
To my opinion, for traveling and sightseeing on the continent, Americans,are  better off with a Continental (sized) motorhome, if they hire one on the continent the steering wheel sits, (for us), on the wright place.
 
The nosy one ;)  Antwerp
 

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« Reply #15 on: July 04, 2005, 09:11:27 AM »
Hi all
the best forum i have come across for motorhomes in the UK is   
       www.motorhomefacts.com        like this forum these are the chaps
that can answer all your European motorhome questions
My opinion over the size restrictions in the UK is (not forgeting 12meter length ) if the American manufacturers dealers can import .sell and stand by the product to all the standards required ,thats good enough for me.Travelworld in Wolverhampton sells the Revolution LE 38ft their last listed price 198,000 and don't think you get %25 off the price in the UK it doesn`t happen.When my trip is over i will be willing to share all my dealings from purchase to shipping to being fleeced by HM Customs to registering the motorhome in the UK. One thing for sure i am proud of what i own in the states and as i drive from Southampton docks to Cornwall i will be the biggest showoff on the road with a grin as wide as my RV
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« Reply #16 on: July 04, 2005, 09:38:14 AM »
 ;D

I can just see all the old camper vans chugging round Devon and Cornwall as you gleefully drive by.

Half of them shouting "flash git", but with tears of envy in their eyes.

I would love to be there to see that !!

Paul

BTW thanks for that link, I hadnt seen that one.
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« Reply #17 on: July 13, 2005, 01:48:51 PM »
Howdy, Paul.

Half of them shouting "flash git", but with tears of envy in their eyes.


What does "flash git" mean?

Thank you,
Liz
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« Reply #18 on: July 13, 2005, 01:53:34 PM »
LOL Liz, that's definitely a Brit term. From the Collaborative Online Dictionary:

"GIT: a person who is deemed to be despicable or contemptible; "only a rotter would do that"; "kill the rat"; "throw the bum out"; "you cowardly little pukes!"; "the British call a contemptible person a `git'" [syn: rotter, dirty dog, rat, skunk, stinker, stinkpot, bum, puke, rumb, lowlife, scum bag, so-and-so]"

I think that, in the current context of Paul's message, "flashy git" translates to a showoff.
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« Reply #19 on: September 08, 2005, 10:28:33 AM »
Hi Tom

I loved your translation of 'flash git' - but I think Jack and Liz were teasing you!   I have read all the comments about the difficulty in finding campgrounds in Europe suitable for large RVs, and I have to disagree.   Our Vario motorhome is 32 feet long and 100 inches wide and weighs in at 14 tonnes.   We've been on the road for the past four months in Spain, France, Switzerland, Germany, Denmark, Sweden, Finland, Norway and the UK, and not once have we had difficulty getting access to a campground.  It does however require careful attention to the various campground directories.

In my opinion 32 feet is as long as anyone would want to go if the intention is to go touring - up to forty feet is fine for attending rallies and the like.

Terry (but I do miss my 45 foot Prevost)


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« Reply #20 on: September 08, 2005, 12:09:25 PM »
Terry

Good input on the max RV length in campgrounds.

Don't get me excited about Prevosts. We were at the Marathon factory in Coburg, Oregon a few weeks ago. Looked at some of their coaches and toured the factory. We're currently just one freeway exit away from Marathon and I have to close my eyes every time I drive by. We'd need to sell the boat to rationalize buying a Marathon and I don't think Chris is going to let me do that  :(
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« Reply #21 on: September 08, 2005, 12:23:31 PM »
The flash git is hitting the UK roads this weekend,Shepton Mallett motorhome and RV show.
Had a few worries getting it registered,they were even going to measure it front to back and side to side,wow didnt that break me out in a sweat.The Revolution is actually .5 inch too wide not including the awning and 1 inch too long at 39 feet 5 inches ,luckily they decided that they had messed me around enough and was happy with the 38 feet stated on the purchase invoice but i know that DVLA are going to crack down in the near future because someone tried to register a 45 footer with tag axle
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« Reply #22 on: September 08, 2005, 12:33:33 PM »
Tom

Amongst our mail when we arrived home (Spain) last week was an update from Marathon with some pictures of their latest offerings - interestingly all on Prevost XLs, NONE on the H3 - I wonder if they have gone off them. 

Anyway, from one Brit to another - sell the darned boat my friend!

Terry 

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« Reply #23 on: September 08, 2005, 12:40:25 PM »
Hi Ian

I wanted to go to Shepton Mallet this year - but Liliane reminded me I had promised her three weeks at home (Spain).  Tough life.

How are you enjoying your stay in the States?

Terry

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« Reply #24 on: September 08, 2005, 12:52:13 PM »
Terry

I must admit to being a little confused about Marathon's/Prevost's series numbering. The Marathon web site shows 2006 coaches on both XLV2S and EXV2S and I could have sworn that the sales guy referred to the EXV2S as "H series".

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sell the darned boat my friend!

The boat is Chris' baby and, if I sold it, I'd probably find myself in divorce court  :(
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« Reply #25 on: September 08, 2005, 12:53:55 PM »
The flash git is hitting the UK roads this weekend,Shepton Mallett motorhome and RV show.

Presumably as a prospective/future seller?
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« Reply #26 on: September 29, 2007, 09:45:40 PM »
But what about the electricity ? What shall I use ( converter, transformer, etc ) to get everything works in US manufactured rig traveling in EU ?

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« Reply #27 on: September 29, 2007, 10:03:41 PM »
Most folks who import a U.S. RV into the UK or Europe use a transformer. Some folks get the entire motorhome converted to the local electricity system, but that's an expensive option.
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« Reply #28 on: October 01, 2007, 01:07:30 PM »
Could somebody recommend any certain transformer for class A (2 AC, fridge, MW, etc.)  ?
I'm not very familiar with the electricity questions  ???

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« Reply #29 on: October 01, 2007, 03:45:00 PM »
The following site has a 3000 watt step down transformer (240 to 120 Volts) for US$70.00.

http://www.dvdoverseas.com/voltage_converters.htm

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« Reply #30 on: October 01, 2007, 04:01:48 PM »
Thank you JerryF,

I found there the 5000 watts as well. Will it be the best solution ?

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« Reply #31 on: October 01, 2007, 06:19:46 PM »
I would buy the 5000 because in a MH "you can never go wrong with more electrical capacity."  Don't hurry to buy yet, unless you must, because we still need to hear for the BIG GUYS re electrical stuff like Phil Bullock or Karl Kolbus.

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« Reply #32 on: October 01, 2007, 06:24:46 PM »
Phil Bullock & Karl Kolbus,

Please go take a look at "RVing Outside the USA" and more specifically the question in "RVing in Europe" by AlexK.

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« Reply #33 on: October 01, 2007, 09:07:21 PM »
Don't hurry to buy yet, unless you must, because we still need to hear for the BIG GUYS re electrical stuff like Phil Bullock or Karl Kolbus.

Well, I have some time to wait for the "BIG GUYS" ..... till next spring  ;)
So, waiting .....  :)

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« Reply #34 on: October 05, 2007, 04:23:05 PM »
Hi AlexK
i fitted a 8KVA 240 to dual 110 transformer to my 2005 Revolution ,the dual 110 fed the RV equivalent to USA 50 amp service.The problems come with the difference between 50 Hz and USA 60Hz frequency,the problems were the Energy Management system kept getting gremlins,microwave made unusual noises as did the AC /heatpumps,timer on the washer drier ran slow as did the timer on the microwave,the most worrying thing was the wiring getting hot.Funny how a lot of people i spoke to had similar problems but you never see it mentioned on any forums.IMHO get a complete 240v conversion done by the professionals,the transformer was supplied by a company in Peterborough
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« Reply #35 on: October 05, 2007, 10:00:04 PM »
Thank you Ian,
hm ... looks not good   :-\

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« Reply #36 on: October 09, 2007, 01:13:15 AM »
I found coverter 240 Volt 50 Hz which will fit tha same compartment ( http://www.bestconverter.com/WFCO-8955E-55-Amp-Power-Center-240-Volt_p_65-265.html ) .
If I'll simpy change the converter before leaving to EU will it resolve the problem ??
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« Reply #37 on: October 09, 2007, 01:37:09 AM »
Alex,

That's just a converter to provide 12V DC from 240V mains. It will power your DC lights and maybe charge your batteries, but it won't do anything for any 110V appliances in the coach. What Ian described is a transformer to convert 240V mains to 110V in order to power all the 110V needs of the coach.
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« Reply #38 on: October 09, 2007, 05:32:52 AM »
I haven't done any search/research yet on the old standby system:

   Motor/Generator system: Input 240VAC/50Hz to 120VAC/60Hz output.

Is there such a thing?   Motor gens are/were used widely in the aircraft industry 60Hz to 400Hz.
Or was it 400 to 60 Hz?

Just a thought.

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« Reply #39 on: October 09, 2007, 12:45:25 PM »
Carson,

That might be an expensive and noisy solution.
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« Reply #40 on: October 09, 2007, 01:22:05 PM »
Alex,

That's just a converter to provide 12V DC from 240V mains. It will power your DC lights and maybe charge your batteries, but it won't do anything for any 110V appliances in the coach. What Ian described is a transformer to convert 240V mains to 110V in order to power all the 110V needs of the coach.

Yes, I understood. I'm just trying to resolve the frequency problem.
It seems to me that the most appliances can run both 50 and 60 Hz, but what I'm worrying about is the "wiring getting hot".

Carson,

That might be an expensive and noisy solution.

For sure noisy. No one camp will allow you to use it.
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« Reply #41 on: October 09, 2007, 01:30:08 PM »
I see nothing in the ad for that converter that addresses frequency change. The only things likely to get "hot" (maybe wamr) at different frequencies wouldl be transformers, and that usually happens in the opposite direction (running 50Hz transformers at 60Hz). In any event, since the output of the converter is 12V DC and it will be used to power 12V DC lamps and for battery charging, frequency doesn't enter into the equation.

I guess I need to understand what it is you're trying to do.
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« Reply #42 on: October 09, 2007, 01:41:14 PM »
Tom and Alex, (this is not thread drift but),I have an innocent question:

What causes an electric motor or generator to be so noisy? There is only one moving part, compared to a gasoline or diesel generator. Is it the fan blades?

Best answer gets a prize.

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« Reply #43 on: October 09, 2007, 02:21:28 PM »
Tom, I want to voice my exception to your statement:
   "The only things likely to get "hot" (maybe wamr) at different frequencies wouldl be transformers, and that usually happens in the opposite direction (running 50Hz transformers at 60Hz)"
Current flow increases with a lower frequency. Imagine going to DC (0 Hz), soon there will be smoke. The reactance of the inductive AC circuitry increases with frequency.
 Increase the frequency to a high level, no, or little current will flow.



   That is why the wiring got hot.


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« Reply #44 on: October 09, 2007, 02:39:56 PM »
Truth is Carson, I couldn't remember which way round it was and just picked one, knowing I had 50% chance of being right  :-[  (Actually, I intended to check it out and, if necessary, correct it later.) My point was that it has no relevance to what he's proposing. A 240V/50Hz/12V converter/charger running on 240V/50 Hz is doing exactly what it's designed to do and so shouldn't overheat.
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« Reply #45 on: October 09, 2007, 02:44:49 PM »
Carson,

I lost a good part of my hearing in the 60's when a company thought they were doing us a favor by building us a nice, new, clean  shop inside a huge clean room. That clean room primarily housed lots of motor/generator sets in addition to just motors. Suffice to say they weren't silent and I have the "scars" to prove it 40 years later.
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« Reply #46 on: October 09, 2007, 03:32:01 PM »
Quite right, Tom, no problem with that Euro converter, all is ok.
   Running US appliances (with motors) is where the problem comes in, as mentioned in Ian H's post. 60 Hz is a must or you are playing with fire.

   In my youth I too was exposed to too much noise. My hearing is still very good, but hav lived with tinnitus now for 50 years. One gets used to it. Just makes you a little grumpier once in a while. :)

One HP equals 746 W, (not-with-standing losses) how big a motor do you need to run the average RV with a moto/gen system? Just kidding, don't want to make work for you.

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« Reply #47 on: October 09, 2007, 04:06:40 PM »
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One HP equals 746 W,

Hasn't changed since I was in school  ;D
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« Reply #48 on: October 09, 2007, 04:26:02 PM »
I guess I need to understand what it is you're trying to do.

I want to ship my RV to EU and need everything works there without "playing with the fire" ...
One of the ways is to change everything (means remodel your RV), but I'm sure in the XXI century should be an easy way. I'm trying to find it )

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« Reply #49 on: October 09, 2007, 05:44:29 PM »
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I want to ship my RV to EU and need everything works there without "playing with the fire" ...

Alex, a simple converter such as the one you were considering isn't going to do what you need. Ian's use of an 8KVA 240/110V transformer is a good and relatively inexpensive option, but there are issues, as Ian mentioned. However, the only show stopper is that TVs won't work on the UK PAL TV system, irrespective of the voltage, so you'll need to replace those if you want to watch TV over there.

You could Google &/or search on eBay for a transformer. You could also Google for Peterborough (where Ian's transformer came from) and look at the directory of companies to see if you can find the transformer supplier.

Hopefully, I an can give us the name of the transformer manufacturer/supplier and the part number so we can check it out.

You'll still need to figure out how to either wire the transformer into the coach permanently or be able to plug the coach into the transformer.
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« Reply #50 on: October 23, 2007, 03:42:03 AM »
We have rented a camper in Europe three times: in 1988 and 1992, both times a Volkswagen Westfalia. We were happy we had something that small because often the roads are so narrow and in particular you'll find yourself suddenly driving through a small town with super-narrow streets and you have to fold in you mirrors to make the turns needed to get out.  However last year I refused to have anything that did not have a toilet so we rented a larger van through www.Ideamerge.com and were very happy with their service. This company rents campers in various countries in Europe but reports that renting in Germany is the cheapest. I did more research and found that to be true. They also rent larger units than the van which we had, but our van was the largest size that was still allowed to park in a car spot. Anything bigger (longer or higher) would need to find a different place to park, something that is very difficult in Europe even with a van!

In 2008 we would like to go to Australia and rent a motorhome there and maybe three years after that (health permitting!) we would love to drive from Ecuador to Tierra del Fuego.

Has anyone on the Forum driven all the way down in South America?

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« Reply #51 on: October 23, 2007, 10:57:50 AM »
I've seen a few messages on South America. Try using the Advanced search link above.
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« Reply #52 on: October 23, 2007, 11:09:55 AM »
We have never drove to South America.  However, there is no way I would drive anything though Columbia.  While we were in Equador we talked to the Equador boarder guards that told us they actually see Columbia bandits in action within view of the border crossing.
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« Reply #53 on: October 23, 2007, 12:15:23 PM »

Im not sure where in Europe the OP is thinking of shipping his RV, but here are some ideas for the UK :-

230 to 110 Transformer -http://www.airlinktransformers.com/american-motor-home.asp - we got the 5600 model

We decided to leave everything in the RV at 110V - that's what the RV was built with and I see no reason to change things. Kettles etc are just as cheap to buy and ship from the US (though there are even suppliers of 110V stuff in the UK now).

Even if you add 230V outlets you will still have the main 110V appliances (microwave, washer, air con, etc).

Our RV has an Energy Management System which controls all the electrics - I'm not sure it would work properly if you had two feeds coming into the RV (one for 110V items and the other for your 230V outlets).

As I said, why complicate things when all you need do is use the transformer to bring the voltage down to 110V - its nice and easy to work out what will work too as (roughly) you get just over double the amps off a UK supply (UK 16amp will give you a supply of just over 32amps in the RV at 110V).

Yes, there is the Hz issue but nobody has found a way to solve it (that Im aware of). All that happens is your clocks run funny (you set your microwave to cook but use your watch for the timings) and some people have a few issues with the washer/dryer (control board) but nothing that resetting the dial control doesn't solve. It's certainly easier and cheaper than buying/fitting 230V microwaves etc.

Regarding the TVs - take a look at www.110220volts.com where you will find dual voltage and multi-frequency TVs etc. This is a good way to solve the TV problem (though Ive just been told you can use a Freeview box http://www.freeview.co.uk thru the AV socket and UK TV will work on NTSC TV but I havent tried this).

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« Reply #54 on: October 25, 2007, 02:09:32 PM »
Thank you UK-RV.
I agree with you - there is no reason to complicate. And actually what I wanted to do was just to buy the transformer as you said. Until I read IanH post : "... the most worrying thing was the wiring getting hot ..."
But it seems that there is realy no way to solve the Hz problem.

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I stumbled across this old topic and ...

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... from one Brit to another - sell the darned boat my friend!

wondered if Terry might reconsider his advice after this brief experience.

OTOH seeing their latest Prevost was very tempting. See photos here.
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« Reply #56 on: February 22, 2009, 02:39:33 PM »
Right ladies and gentle folk, can anyone offer me advice on travelling through europe

I have looked at crossing the channel and landing somewhere in france,

ive thought about calling at "Camping les Chaumes" Find It Here and stopping a day

I then fancied moving on to Camp Alpin near to Insbrook This One couple of days at this spot

And then onto Jeslo International Camping Site in Italy Looks Good

Advise i could do with is
What insurance cover will i need,
Are there any restrictions on RV's in these countries ?
What breakdown services can i get for an RV in europe, if it is terminal how do i get it back to the UK ? A Class 12m (35ft)
What fuel cards can i use in europe (ie BP, etc)
What LPG connection do i need for these countries
What   are the roads like ie "A" "E" "N" Type

Thanks in anticipation

Mick
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« Reply #57 on: February 24, 2009, 03:53:27 PM »
Hi Tom
Thought i might have a go at answering some of your questions  from my fairly limited three years plus of Euro/UK  RV ing.
I started off with a new Hurricane 30Q which i thought was all i would ever need as compared to normal Euro Motor homes it seemed so big and plush but once the "Big  A Bug " takes hold that all goes out of the window and i am now the proud owner of a Mocha Java Fleetwood Terra LX which i bought new from a dealer in Cornwall  called Itchy Feet who are a great set up and who incidentally will hire you something like a Monaco, Tiffin or Fleetwood to travel Europe in .
Quite a few Brits do directly import from the USA when the exchange rates are better i guess but after looking in to it as the savings are great on paper.I decided against as when little things like a duff front jack need replacing a dealer has a lot more clout especially when many of your manufacturers are on short time etc etc . also  when importing RVs it is quite common apparently for things to go missing and damage to vehicles is quite common also this can soon take the shine of any savings ,but it is "horses for courses"
I have travelled with the RV so far to Spain, Italy,France,and Belgium plus Scotland and other parts of the UK , and it is no problem driving a "left hooker" in Europe as it is the right side  although it is not a problem in the UK either. The size of the pitches can be a problem especially in Europe but RV Er's talk and the good sites soon get publicised and a great couple called Mo and Dick publish a Big Pitch Guide for Europe and the UK.

The cost of Fuel is obviously a problem it has come down but petrol is still around 90p a LITRE and starting to rise again  with diesel 10p more. I have a Workhorse  8.1 with an LPG  gas conversion  which helps costs a lot as LPG cost about half the price of petrol  sorry Gas although the conversion is about 3000  so you have to do a few miles to get your money back.


Anyway that is a few answers to be going on with no doubt  some of my countrymen  may not agree with my views but it is how i see it.

Best Regards to all of you in the Big Country it is great reading your forum you have told me a lot.

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« Reply #58 on: February 25, 2009, 03:07:10 AM »
Thanks Suffolk Boy. Appreciate you sharing your knowledge and experience. My "RVing" experience in the UK is limited to my parents dragging their small caravan all over the country, and later to me towing a borrowed trailer loaded with a large tent and all the trappings. Our tent camping trips always got cut short when we were rained out and got tired of slopping around in the mud.

In those days, we couldn't afford to cross the channel, and we could only look in awe at the cars and caravans that bore the obligatory 'GB' plates (they were the ones that crossed the channel).

Any words of wisdom for Mick with his questions? TIA.
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« Reply #59 on: February 25, 2009, 06:30:04 AM »
Right ladies and gentle folk, can anyone offer me advice on travelling through europe

I have looked at crossing the channel and landing somewhere in france,

ive thought about calling at "Camping les Chaumes" Find It Here and stopping a day

I then fancied moving on to Camp Alpin near to Insbrook This One couple of days at this spot

And then onto Jeslo International Camping Site in Italy Looks Good

Advise i could do with is
What insurance cover will i need,
Are there any restrictions on RV's in these countries ?
What breakdown services can i get for an RV in europe, if it is terminal how do i get it back to the UK ? A Class 12m (35ft)
What fuel cards can i use in europe (ie BP, etc)
What LPG connection do i need for these countries
What   are the roads like ie "A" "E" "N" Type

Thanks in anticipation

Mick

Hi Mick
If you post you're question on  http://www.motorhomefun.co.uk/   and introduce yourself I'm sure you'll get plenty of info, loads of experienced RVers use that site.
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« Reply #60 on: July 27, 2009, 04:33:54 PM »
Hi,

I have recently purchased a RV and have been planning a trip across the channel to continental europe and have not had any problems from camp site owners over the size of my RV (27 feet).

I have found spares to be plentyfull, however a two day delivery seems the norm, but this was the case when i was touring the states in a RV a few years ago.

I have a 7.3 V8 diesel (none turbo) ford that is doing 25mpg combined driving, which is on a par and better then most large european motorhomes.

You have to put the fuel prices into perspective, as pricing and the value of goods are swings and roundabouts. 

The reason I purchased an RV was for two reasons:

1, You just can not beat a big powerfull lump powering your rig.  The times I have seen (myself included) big EU motorhomes going up the Alps revving the nuts off the engine and slowing down to a crawl up the mountain roads.

2, Quality and space.  We like the quality and space you get with an RV


 

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« Reply #61 on: July 27, 2009, 05:35:42 PM »
Aye, you pays your money and you takes your choice.
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« Reply #62 on: September 10, 2009, 12:16:08 PM »
Hi
We are now 7 weeks into a monster tour of southern Europe in our Winnebago Brave 25RC (1998 vintage) with a Fiat seicento as a tow car on a trailer as Italy does not like Aframes. So far "ticked off" Belgium, Germany, Austria (passed thru), and various parts of Italy.
The left hand drive makes life very easy and the lack of size helps to cope with what are largely small pitches in Italy. Most places reply to emails saying we can accept you only to appear with wide eyed horror at the sight of our "small" outfit. We can recommend some sites and have experience of a fifth wheel in Spain last winter so we intend to have fun!

Chris & Lynda

 

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