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Tom,
You don't have to wade through that stuff. On the first page there's a link to "DRIVERS" at the top of the page that will take you directly to the drivers section, or simply go to the bottom of the page and select what you want. There's no separate section for Vista drivers; they are listed by hardware type/model, and the o.s's supported will be displayed for each driver.
 
Tom said:
Thanks for the heads up. So far I've only been installing new downloads of software and probably won't install any old apps on Chris' machine.

Tom:

I found there were work-arounds (Custom Install to specify directories) or letting Vista do its own reinstall of a lot of legacy software to make it work.

Also a lot of software has been updated since I bought this Toshiba in April. (For me that was DSLocator for the Motosat!) I have every program running on Vista that is on my old Dell Inspiron.
 
The Geek Squad may be technically knowledgeable, but don't let them put their hands on your computers.  They were caught copying image and video files off of customer's computers.
 
When the GS previously wanted to keep my crashed HD to recover the data, I said "no thanks".
 
They were caught copying image and video files off of customer's computers.

Is/was this company policy, for some nefarious reason? Or, was it a network of dishonest employees, out on a lark? Or, limited to a single store or small group of stores? What, (briefly,) were they doing with the files?

Sorry, I hadn't heard of this.

Ray D  ;D
 
It was widespread throughout the stores.  The employees were copying mostly porn from the customer computers.  Lots of Geek Squad employees lost their jobs as a result but the damage was already done.  I think SlashDot has an article on this today.
 
Interesting reading here, but note that several of the writers are BB employees or ex employees. Lots more reading if you Google.
 
Ned said:
The Geek Squad may be technically knowledgeable, but don't let them put their hands on your computers.  They were caught copying image and video files off of customer's computers.

Only for those not wanting to share your porno stuff . . .  ;)
 
Bob, you have to encrypt that porn to keep it out of the Geek Squad hands :)
 
Ray D said:
Having gotten to this point, I wouldn't go back. Thanks for the encouragement, Bob.   ;D Thanks everyone for the assistance through this fiasco!  ;D

You're welcome, Ray. I continue to love Vista -- and my only problem now is that my main desktop is an XP pro machine. So that is where most of my "stuff" is plus it has a great hand me down monitor from Ned before he went to a 3 foot ??? wide screen. As I find time I will be creating a docking station for the Vista laptop so it looks and acts like a desktop. I have already added wireless keyboard and mouse but have other logistical moves planned to place the laptop on my dining table office vs. the little fold out table by the entry door. The wireless now requires a USB interface that I will be changing to Bluetooth when I change over for real.

Have you checked out the Windows Experience Index (WEI) utility as yet? To get the display, go to Control Panel | Windows Performance Tools. It evaluates the major components of your machine to give individual scores and an overall score. Components such as Processor Speed, Graphics generally and graphics needed to support Windows Aero, and such. Articles I've read suggest that if the WEI is less than 2.0, that is not a machine that will support Vista that well - even if installed on that machine. I like to go to Fry's and check out the WEI on displayed machines to see how they stack up. I find that a great feature - although I was not aware of it when shopping for my Vista laptop. Fortunately, I come in a 3.5 overall with a top score of 4.9 on my processor calculations/sec speed. The overall score is the lowest score among the various components tested - which will usually be the ability to run Windows Aero. The desktop that I converted from XP Home to Vista Basic comes in at 4.3 on the processor and 2.3 overall. That machine has a 3.1ghz processor whereas the laptop is 2.0 -- however, it is a dual processor (not dual core). So that shows the advantage of having duallies on a computer. :)

Windows Aero is the feature that allows displays such as the 3D multi tasking. Rather than clicking an icon in the task bar to restore an app, the user selects from a 3D display of the last screens sent to the task bar. Also, the title bar of a dialog is transparent. This is all in the category of cool, but not really that important. It just makes the user feel better about all that stuff on an Apple computer that makes the user feel they have something better than a Windows machine . . .  ;)

Have read other articles that point out that the WEI is not perfect as yet. For example, one article suggested that too much weight is applied to the Graphics component.

As far as competing SW -- I'm not one to stray from the MS standard. I dislike Bill Gates, MS, and Apple as much as most -- other than perhaps my friend Ron R  :).  But am much too busy to learn other stuff such as Linux, Foxfire, and so forth. MS products are what most of the world uses, regardless of my feeling toward the CEO's and their philosophies. I began learning this lesson when I insisted on using WordStar, then WordPerfect. I spent hours explaining on various forums how much better WordPerfect was over MS Word -- but finally realized that MS Word "is" the standard now, regardless of how good it is compared to other word processors. IMO, with what I do, sticking with standards vs. trying to find the best of breed elsewhere increases my efficiency and effectiveness.

Anyway, Ray -- am glad that you persevered and continue with Vista. To me, that puts you ahead of the curve . . .
 
Tom said:
As I reported previously, Fry's have had in-store specials offering printers for free with any new PC. (IIRC they're free after a rebate.) Obviously not every make and model of printer, but certainly several models from each of several manufacturers. A sales guy claimed that was one way around the driver issue.

My new Fujitsu Vista laptop came with an Epson R-260 photo printer -- free other than tax after rebate. It "is" a discontinued printer so I figured I would have to find a Vista driver, if one was available. However, was pleased to read on the Epson website that it is Vista ready. I have not received my rebate and am planning sell the printer anyway, so have not opened the box as yet.

BTW, my purchase also include 1/2 off on any laptop carrying case - via a rebate. I actually remembered to send that one in and have since received my rebate. The machine itself also had a $150 rebate that is scheduled to be sent 12/11.

Being aware of the potential driver issue was one reason for my procrastination and a reason for several visits to Fry's. But the average Joe who is merely looking to upgrade their PC is likely to get a surprise when the get home with their new purchase.

I would probably change that wording to "a very big surprise"  :mad:  :) It took me 2 and 1/2 days to upgrade my XP Home machine to Vista Basic. Needless to say, my opinion of Vista was different then than it is now. I would "never" suggest to anyone not to some degree computer literate to update XP to Vista. I believe Fry's has that service as I'm sure other computer repair outlets have -- tho not sure of the pricing. But even then, one is not sure of new stuff that they may add -- hardware or software.
 
Hi Bob,

I'm grateful for you previously sharing your Vista experiences here. IMHO they influenced my decision-making process for the better; Not only did they give me the confidence to buy a new PC with Vista loaded, they saved me from making a potentially big mistake; I had considered upgrading an existing XP machine, but won't be doing that any time soon.

I've always found Fry's sales personnel to be quite knowledgeable of product features and comparisons between models, at least in the PC area. I recall using them in an example I quoted to Best Buy's CEO several years ago when I complained about their (then) PC sales folks who lacked any computer knowledge; This was before the days of the so-called Geek Squad. However, I have no experience with Fry's service/repair folks or for that matter with Geek Squad repairs.

FWIW the latest purchase of Chris' desktop was influenced by several factors, including our distance from the nearest Fry's stores (Sacramento/Northgate, Roseville, or Fremont); Costco's 90 day return policy; Costco/Gateway's 2 year warranty; and Free tech support.

I'm slowly finding my way around Vista and, apart from the initial printer driver issues, I'm really liking what I see. However, Microsoft still seems to lack what it takes to provide an intuitive user experience, and I find myself having to explain how to do some basic stuff, after I've figured it out myself. Dare I say that reports from Apple users suggest that they (Apple) figured out the user experience a long time ago.
 
Bob, I checked my computer's WEI. Thanks, I think I'm in good shape.  ;D

My base is 3.5.
Desktop performance for Windows Aero is 3.5.
Business and Gaming Graphics 3.5
Memory Operations 4.5
Calculations per second 4.7
Disk Transfer Rate 4.7

From what I read, that pretty good, and in any case, certainly good enough for my purposes.

I'll check that, from time to time.

Ray D  ;D
 
Ray D said:
Bob, I checked my computer's WEI. Thanks, I think I'm in good shape.  ;D

My base is 3.5.
Desktop performance for Windows Aero is 3.5.
Business and Gaming Graphics 3.5
Memory Operations 4.5
Calculations per second 4.7
Disk Transfer Rate 4.7

From what I read, that pretty good, and in any case, certainly good enough for my purposes.

I'll check that, from time to time.

Ray D  ;D

Ray:

You must have a good graphics card in your computer. My Satellite shows 3.2 for Aero and 4.5-4.6 for the others.
 
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