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Is the problem listed below normal or am I missing something in my setup.

When I run the forum in IE, I can hold the cursor over an Emoticon and get a description.

I Firefox that does not work.

Any explanation for that??

carson FL
 
As far as I can tell, Firefox displays the Title attribute for images when you hover the mouse pointer, while IE displays the Alt data.  I haven't found a place in FF to change that behavior, but I have to believe that FF is handling the tags properly while IE is fudging again.
 
Thanks much,Ned.
Glad I'm not the only one that's befudged, now I am befuddled.
Glad I am on Firefox, everything works great for me here, except my befudged buddies, the emoticons. I can live with that. :) (That's a smiley)

carson
 
Alt text is for browsers that don't, or are configured not to, display images and the Alt text will be displayed in its place.  The Title is specifically for the browser to display, if it chooses, when the mouse is hovered over the image.  FF is working per the HTML specs, as I thought.  IE is cheating and displaying the Alt text when it's not supposed to.  Again, MS thinks they are smarter than the web designer and are overriding the designed page format.
 
Thanks Ned,
I can tell you are a scientist that thrives on science and technology. I fall into that same fold. I believe that 2 kinds of people exist, Scientists and Artists in this wonderful world and I don't think the twain shall ever meet.  Is that the problem of the world today???

By the way, do you need a Texas Instrument computer TI99/4A-- 16K RAM, like new, all documentation. Cheap $1.00 - Shipping and Handling- $50.00. (Just kidding).


PS: Went to the museum yesterday in St. Petersburg, FL to see the DALI exhibit. Excellent, unless you are a scientist.  ::)

carson FL


 
I was never enamored by Dali's painting, but they do have some strange qualities, especially to a scientist.

No, I don't need a TI99, at least not right now.  Maybe if my Palm dies :)
 
Ned,
My FF 2.0.0.6 doesn't display anything at all when I hover the cursor over an emoticon or an image such as the forum logo or our  avatars. Where & what circumstances do you get the image title info displayed?

And where can the image title be found? Properties has the Alt Text, but no title.
 
RV Roamer said:
My FF 2.0.0.6 doesn't display anything at all when I hover the cursor over an emoticon or an image such as the forum logo or our  avatars.
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Gary, an image title will only appear if one has been entered as a parameter in the image link, which is not currently the case for the forum logo or avatars.

And where can the image title be found?
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It's in Properties, if it exists. It shows for me in FF2.0.0.6 for emoticons and icons such as the ones beneath our avatars.
 
IIRC the TI-994a if you tell it to do something like

For I=1 to 10
A=I^2
Print sqrt(a)",",
Next

It will print 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10

Most 8 bit computers won't do that.
 
You got it ,John

I programmed it to give me Lotto numbers using the 'random' command

Also was able to produce a 'working clock' but ran out of memory before completing it. :)

Sounds were another feature available and interesting.

I guess we've come a long way--- any offers on mine?

carson FL

 
Tom said:
Gary, an image title will only appear if one has been entered as a parameter in the image link, which is not currently the case for the forum logo or avatars.

It's in Properties, if it exists. It shows for me in FF2.0.0.6 for emoticons and icons such as the ones beneath our avatars.
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Tom:

I am using FF 2.0.0.6 and  I get a description for all emoticons, the email, personal profile, etc under the Avatars. ?????
 
Gary, you don't see any text when you hover over the emoticons or avatars because they don't have the Title tag, as Tom says.  The Profile and IM images do have Title tags and they will show if you hover over them.  The Alt tag is only for browsers that don't display images, so you won't normally see that text in Firefox.  IE, being smarter than the web designer (it thinks) displays the Alt text.

I'm sure Tom could add a Title tag to the emoticons but it's not really necessary as they are self explanatory, in most cases.  It's only used when the image isn't obvious or needs additional explanation.
 
Jeff Cousins said:
I am using FF 2.0.0.6 and  I get a description for all emoticons, the email, personal profile, etc under the Avatars.
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Thanks Jeff, that's the way it should be and the way it is for me. But you won't get that for the avatars themselves or the forum logo because they (the image titles) don't exist.
 
Ned said:
I'm sure Tom could add a Title tag to the emoticons but it's not really necessary as they are self explanatory....
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Not necessary for a different reason - the emoticons already have titles. I don't understand why Gary doesn't see them.
 
When I view the source, the emoticons have Alt tags but no Title tags.  That's why no text displays in Firefox when hovering.
 
Ned,

The text displays fine when hovering for me. Try right-click|properties on an emoticon and you'll see the title. That's why it displays in FF when hovering.

Just realized you're looking at emoticons in messages, whereas I was looking at emoticons on the message composition screen. I suspect Jeff was doing the same.

Like you, I see no real value in titles for the emoticons, but I'll probably research it when we get home.
 
When I look at the properties of an emoticon, I see an Alt tag, but no Title tag.  When I look at the properties of, for example, the View Profile image, I do see both Alt and Title tags.  Nothing displays for me when hovering over an emoticon, but it does when hovering over the View Profile image.  AFAIK, I'm not running any extensions that block selective Title tags, and I even tested this in a FF profile with no extensions and the behavior was the same, as was the HTML source.

In IE, I do get text when hovering over an emoticon, but it's the Alt text, there is still no Title tag.
 
Emoticon titles only show on the message composition screen, not in the body of displayed messages, for some reason best known to the developers. Here's the source for one of the emoticons (from FF|view source):

Code: 
<img src="http://www.rvforum.net/SMF_forum/Smileys/default/grin.gif" alt="Grin" title="Grin" align="bottom">

Attached is a screen shot of the same emoticon in FF. Both the code and the screen shot show the title and alt tags.
 

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And here's what I see for the Huh emoticon:

Code: 
<img src="http://www.rvforum.net/SMF_forum/Smileys/default/huh.gif" alt="Huh" border="0" />

Note: no Title tag.

What's different about your Firefox?  I have ver. 2.0.0.6.

Just for grins ;D I'll see if that emoticon generates different source.

Nope:

Code: 
<img src="http://www.rvforum.net/SMF_forum/Smileys/default/grin.gif" alt="Grin" border="0" />

Maybe only admins get the Title tags?
 

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So we don't repeat this for every emoticon, here's the source for them all. Note they all have titles.

Code: 
<img src="http://www.rvforum.net/SMF_forum/Smileys/default/wink.gif" alt="Wink" title="Wink" align="bottom">
<img src="http://www.rvforum.net/SMF_forum/Smileys/default/cheesy.gif" alt="Cheesy" title="Cheesy" align="bottom">		<img src="http://www.rvforum.net/SMF_forum/Smileys/default/grin.gif" alt="Grin" title="Grin" align="bottom">
<img src="http://www.rvforum.net/SMF_forum/Smileys/default/angry.gif" alt="Angry" title="Angry" align="bottom">
<img src="http://www.rvforum.net/SMF_forum/Smileys/default/sad.gif" alt="Sad" title="Sad" align="bottom">
<img src="http://www.rvforum.net/SMF_forum/Smileys/default/shocked.gif" alt="Shocked" title="Shocked" align="bottom">
<img src="http://www.rvforum.net/SMF_forum/Smileys/default/cool.gif" alt="Cool" title="Cool" align="bottom">
<img src="http://www.rvforum.net/SMF_forum/Smileys/default/huh.gif" alt="Huh" title="Huh" align="bottom">
<img src="http://www.rvforum.net/SMF_forum/Smileys/default/rolleyes.gif" alt="Roll Eyes" title="Roll Eyes" align="bottom">
<img src="http://www.rvforum.net/SMF_forum/Smileys/default/tongue.gif" alt="Tongue" title="Tongue" align="bottom">
<img src="http://www.rvforum.net/SMF_forum/Smileys/default/embarrassed.gif" alt="Embarrassed" title="Embarrassed" align="bottom">
<img src="http://www.rvforum.net/SMF_forum/Smileys/default/lipsrsealed.gif" alt="Lips sealed" title="Lips sealed" align="bottom">
<img src="http://www.rvforum.net/SMF_forum/Smileys/default/undecided.gif" alt="Undecided" title="Undecided" align="bottom">
<img src="http://www.rvforum.net/SMF_forum/Smileys/default/kiss.gif" alt="Kiss" title="Kiss" align="bottom">
<img src="http://www.rvforum.net/SMF_forum/Smileys/default/cry.gif" alt="Cry" title="Cry" align="bottom">
 
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