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Jim Johnson

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Another Last Supper
« on: June 15, 2005, 08:24:24 PM »
Terry and Betty

Wanted you to know that this also means "Missed You"!!
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Re: Another Last Supper
« Reply #1 on: June 16, 2005, 12:23:35 AM »
Terry and Betty
Wanted you to know that this also means "Missed You"!!

I can't stop laughing.  You really got me good on that one.  And I see the gift store looks like something I wanted to explore.  All I did today was clean shower doors.  I see you all still have a smirk on your face.  Who took the picture?

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Re: Another Last Supper
« Reply #2 on: June 16, 2005, 08:09:46 AM »
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Who took the picture?

It was not hard to ask some stranger to take our picture, but when we all got into our pose, you should have seen the look on his face ??? ??? ???

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Re: Another Last Supper
« Reply #3 on: June 16, 2005, 12:13:38 PM »
You have the greeting done perfectly.<BG>


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Re: Another Last Supper
« Reply #4 on: June 16, 2005, 09:19:28 PM »
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You have the greeting done perfectly

You don't know how many times we practiced it ;D ;D

We left Fred and Daisy at Red Fleet this morning, gave up our power site (plus 5 trailers full of bratty kids that moved in behind us last night).  We are in Cheyenne for a few days.  Then on to OKC.
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Re: Another Last Supper
« Reply #5 on: June 17, 2005, 05:46:06 PM »
You don't know how many times we practiced it ;D ;D

We left Fred and Daisy at Red Fleet this morning, gave up our power site (plus 5 trailers full of bratty kids that moved in behind us last night).  We are in Cheyenne for a few days.  Then on to OKC.

Jim,

Please say hi to Melvin and Sharon for us! :)

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Re: Another Last Supper
« Reply #6 on: June 17, 2005, 09:47:14 PM »

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Please say hi to Melvin and Sharon for us
Jim,

Will do.  We will have dinner with them while there and I will make them come to the M/H to look at some of the pictures and see what they missed.  Bet I won't have to beg them next year.
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Re: Another Last Supper
« Reply #7 on: June 17, 2005, 10:48:26 PM »
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(plus 5 trailers full of bratty kids that moved in behind us last night). 

Why didn't you just fire up the two Hogs and show them what real retribution is all about? ;D
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Re: Another Last Supper
« Reply #8 on: June 17, 2005, 11:36:17 PM »
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Why didn't you just fire up the two Hogs and show them what real retribution is all about?

Well, I looked at it this way - - -we were out of there and they were Fred's problem.  Actually, the kids were OK, it was the dog that started barking at 6:30am.  And to be totally truthful, my bike lift was broken, the winch gearing stripped, and the bike was broke, the third rectifier bit the dust and no one knows why.
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Re: Another Last Supper
« Reply #9 on: June 18, 2005, 05:39:10 AM »
Jim,

Will do.  We will have dinner with them while there and I will make them come to the M/H to look at some of the pictures and see what they missed.  Bet I won't have to beg them next year.

Jim,

I'm sure you won't!!! ;D ;D

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Re: Another Last Supper
« Reply #10 on: June 18, 2005, 05:43:52 AM »
Jim,

What kind of rectifier are you talking about?
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Re: Another Last Supper
« Reply #11 on: June 18, 2005, 09:04:21 PM »
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What kind of rectifier are you talking about?

Karl, this is the third time I have tried to answer you.  In Mar before we left home I ended up with a dead battery on the bike.  Since it was three years old I figured it needed to be replaced, which I did.  Rode it for 50 miles and battery was dead again.  Shop determined that rectifier, which controls the charge from the alternator to the battery, had been fried and they put a new one on.  Rode 50 miles and was dead again.  They finally determined that the only thing that could be causing it was a battery, the new one, that would not take a full charge, thus frying the rectifier.  Another new rectifier, a new battery, and many miles of test riding, everything OK.  I left home in April and have been riding the bike since then.  10 days ago while at the end of pavement in Dinasour NM it went dead.  Since we were heading home, I just put it on the lift, with the thelp of a floor jack, and will let them have it when we get home.  I talked to the tech and he said the only thing that they can figure is the alternator is spiking, causing the frying. I think it is time for a new bike.
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Re: Another Last Supper
« Reply #12 on: June 18, 2005, 09:17:04 PM »
Karl, this is the third time I have tried to answer you.

Jim, was that an issue with the forum software that was causing the problem? I need to know and investigate this stuff, although sometimes there's no rational explanation.

Do motorcycle alternators have the same kind of diode array that car alternators have? IIRC there are nine diodes in the typical car alternator which perform the rectifying function, any of which could go bad. (It's been a while, so forgive me if I have it wrong).
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Re: Another Last Supper
« Reply #13 on: June 18, 2005, 10:03:01 PM »
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was that an issue with the forum software

Tom,
 Sorry for leaving the statement unfinished.  No, it was not with the forum, it was with a bad wireless keyboard.  The other times I started the message I had that in it, but after the third time, I left it out. 

The only thing I know about the bike electric is what they told me, that the recififier, which is a separate black box about 4x4x1 1/2, is what controls the output of the alternator to the battery.
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Re: Another Last Supper
« Reply #14 on: June 18, 2005, 10:12:19 PM »
... it was with a bad wireless keyboard.

Thanks for clarification Jim. That saves me some detective work.

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the rectifier, which is a separate black box

That's different from what I remember about traditional cars (I may be way out of date here) that had the diodes built into the alternator housing. Today's cars may be significantly different.
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Re: Another Last Supper
« Reply #15 on: June 19, 2005, 07:22:21 AM »
Tom,

This rectifier is on Jim's bike, not his car.  It may be just a simple 4 diode bridge rectifier with an insufficient voltage rating.  It appears they may have replaced everything but the real problem, the alternator.
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Re: Another Last Supper
« Reply #16 on: June 19, 2005, 08:07:42 AM »
This rectifier is on Jim's bike, not his car.

I know, but I assumed that alternator technology was the same for both.

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It may be just a simple 4 diode bridge rectifier

Sounds like it when they keep saying they replaced the "rectifier".
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Re: Another Last Supper
« Reply #17 on: June 19, 2005, 08:10:05 PM »
Jim,

An alternator actually uses two different diodes. One set of diodes, the 6 diode array Tom mentioned, rectifies the ac output and changes it into dc for charging, lights, etc. When the motor is not running, a small voltage is fed thru the ignition switch and a red idiot light, and that's what initially powers the rotor and allows the alternator to put out current. Once the motor is running, this voltage is supplied by the alternator itself thru the second diode, and the idiot light goes out. If the idiot light burns out (it happens, but rarely) there won't be any voltage to start the alternator working and you won't get any output from it after you start the engine. That diode is also switched off and on at a high rate of speed by the voltage regulator to control the voltage output of the alternator, keeping it steady regardless of speed. If this regulator is not switching the diode on and off properly, the alternator can put out LOTS of voltage (100+), and fry the diode array and/or battery.

An alternator doesn't 'spike' by itself. That indicates a problem in the voltage regulator.

Make sure the idiot light is working, replace the voltage regulator (it could be an intermittent problem), and make sure all connections are corrosion free and tight. That should solve your problem and is a lot cheaper than a new bike. ;D
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Re: Another Last Supper
« Reply #18 on: June 19, 2005, 09:50:25 PM »
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a lot cheaper than a new bike

And just whose side are you on????  I have Tarry convinced that a new bike is the only solution ;D

Seriously, I will let you know what is wrong as soon as I get home.  Thanks for the help.
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Re: Another Last Supper
« Reply #19 on: June 20, 2005, 06:26:21 AM »
Sorry Jim,

I thought about the "fix the problem/buy a new bike" dilema but knew you really didn't want one of those new, gorgeous machines ;D Does that mean I'm off your soup list now???
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Re: Another Last Supper
« Reply #20 on: June 20, 2005, 08:23:03 AM »
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Does that mean I'm off your soup list now???

No, you are still on it.  Everyone is allowed one "major" mistake!!
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Re: Another Last Supper
« Reply #21 on: June 20, 2005, 09:03:15 AM »
Oh Good! Then I guess I'll keep you and Tarry on the brat list.

Another suggestion came to mind: Why not strap on a couple of T-105's; recharge once a week or so ;D ;D ;D 
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