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Replace Flooring
« on: July 27, 2008, 08:26:57 PM »
If you had/wanted to replace the flooring in your MH, what would you do? Carpet, Pergo ... any thing else? It there usually a wood sub floor or is it metal?

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Re: Replace Flooring
« Reply #1 on: July 27, 2008, 08:42:11 PM »
We replaced our carpet (living room) and engineered wood (galley) with a laminate flooring last fall and are glad we did.  The sub floor is usually just plywood or chipboard.

We plan on replacing the bedroom carpeting with more laminate this fall.
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Re: Replace Flooring
« Reply #2 on: July 27, 2008, 08:59:54 PM »
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We plan on replacing the bedroom carpeting with more laminate this fall.

Sasha will never make it to bedroom on all four.
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Re: Replace Flooring
« Reply #3 on: July 27, 2008, 10:17:05 PM »
We replaced our carpet with tile pattern (Laminate Pergo). DW loves it says it is so much easier to keep clean. Installed it myself. It is a floating floor.  Not hard, but in such a confined space was a lot of cutting.
Wood grain would be easier since you do not have to match pattern.
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Re: Replace Flooring
« Reply #4 on: July 28, 2008, 02:49:51 AM »
There are a variety of 'laminates' on the market, not just those with a wood plank appearance and are installed in much the same way (loose-lay / floating) as 'Pergo' - which, after all,  is just a brand name.   Some look just like tile when laid.   Basically anything sold at DIY or flooring stores can be installed; ceramic tile,  vinyl, carpet, laminates and engineered wood plank.  Vinyl, either sheet or tile,  is probably the most durable and easy to maintain but laminates (Pergo style) are a close second.  It's really just a matter of personal taste and choice.  If you are interested in a wood floor appearance, check out those made from bamboo.  Very durable, reasonably priced and installed like any other laminate.

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Re: Replace Flooring
« Reply #5 on: July 28, 2008, 07:27:35 AM »
Sasha will never make it to bedroom on all four.

We're going to put runners down, that floor can be cold in the morning (as well as Sasha unfriendly) :)
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Re: Replace Flooring
« Reply #6 on: July 28, 2008, 08:49:48 AM »
We (actually my wife) put down peel-n-stick tiles last year, throughout the kitchen/bathroom leading back to the bedroom.  It was dirt-cheap and modernized the look quite a bit.
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Re: Replace Flooring
« Reply #7 on: November 11, 2009, 10:11:31 PM »
We replaced our carpet with tile pattern (Laminate Pergo). DW loves it says it is so much easier to keep clean. Installed it myself. It is a floating floor.  Not hard, but in such a confined space was a lot of cutting.
Wood grain would be easier since you do not have to match pattern.
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Can you tell me what you did to make the floor 'float'? I'm replacing carpet with hardwood/pergo and some form of tile.  That's my winter job!  ;D
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Re: Replace Flooring
« Reply #8 on: November 11, 2009, 10:12:52 PM »
We (actually my wife) put down peel-n-stick tiles last year, throughout the kitchen/bathroom leading back to the bedroom.  It was dirt-cheap and modernized the look quite a bit.

Did you trim your around the toilet or put down a new seal on the it?  Got any pics? I'm doing the same thing this winter so all the help I can get would be appreciated.  How'd you seal around the edges?  ???
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Re: Replace Flooring
« Reply #9 on: November 11, 2009, 10:19:45 PM »
What did you do with the slides that have carpet on them, did you leave them as is? While we're remodeling has anyone replaced their buffet with a separate table and chairs not worried about storage and the options would be so much greater.







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Re: Replace Flooring
« Reply #10 on: November 12, 2009, 01:37:20 AM »
Has anyone seen or know of a laminated product out there that is installed as a floating system and that has real wood surface. I have looked at Lowe's, HD, etc, and everything I see including Pergo, is a "film" type surface. Looks like wood but on close scrunity, it is like a vinyl coating or film.
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Re: Replace Flooring
« Reply #11 on: November 12, 2009, 07:41:54 AM »
Did you trim your around the toilet or put down a new seal on the it?  Got any pics? I'm doing the same thing this winter so all the help I can get would be appreciated.  How'd you seal around the edges?  ???

We didn't apply any extra "seal" around the seams or edges.  I know there are products that can be used for that though.  My wife cut the peel-n-stick tiles as needed (they are pretty flexible but still easy to trim), laid them out to check how everything would fit BEFORE exposing the adhesive backing, and after that stuck them in place one at a time.  If you really want to get technical, you could remove any base trim you have along the floor - then put the floor down and reinstall the trim on top of it.  But if you're going to all that trouble, there's probably a nicer floor material you could use instead.  ;)  Peel-n-stick is a quick and cheap way to improve the look IMO.
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Re: Replace Flooring
« Reply #12 on: November 12, 2009, 08:54:42 AM »
I just replaced all the flooring in my Ellipse. I used trafficmaster allure. I pulled all the trim, carpet and tile from the RV, including the slides. I also pulled the comode. Prep took about 2/3Rd's of the time. I replaced the area over the rear engine and the slides with carpet. We could not come up with a good way to treat the tile edges of the slides. We thought we would chip the tile edges on the slides. So we re-carpeted the slides. We may revisit this in the near future in the dining area. We had to remove the couches. I reused the original trim. This was a first for me so it took a lot of time, I would guess about 80-100 hrs. We used an upscale carpet and had a lot of waste. Cost for project was about $800. I'd do it again in a minute, DW was very happy with the outcome. It turned out to be a fun project. In my next life I'll learn to upload pics!!

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Re: Replace Flooring
« Reply #13 on: November 12, 2009, 09:15:45 AM »
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In my next life I'll learn to upload pics!!

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Re: Replace Flooring
« Reply #14 on: November 12, 2009, 11:48:32 AM »
I'm about ready to get back to it again.  I used the tile look laminate, to much matching, so made waste.  I have 3 more sections to put in, lots of cutting on those.  It's documented on the renovation thread.  So far I'm in 5 boxes at $70 each so around $350 for a 27 foot class C.  Also I put the vapor barrier I'm sure I didn't need under it but figured it wouldn't hurt.  About $35 I think.  I bought an edge for between the cab and the home area as it slopes there and set it slightly into the home.  Bought new carpet for the front, hubby is removing the seats to put it in.  About $250 for carpet and dash cover there from Rock Auto.

I'm using paintable sealant around the front of the tub, and areas curved where I can't fit quarterround.  Then I'm getting paint tinted close as I can to cover the caulk.  They didn't have any in the flooring area to match or in the sealants either.  I didn't want to make it to tight against the tub, afraid it would crack the fiberglass, but wanted to keep the water out of it. We are doing it all ourselves.
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Re: Replace Flooring
« Reply #15 on: November 12, 2009, 06:21:16 PM »
^^ As a price comparison, our peel-n-stick replacement flooring cost me around $45 TOTAL on clearance IIRC.  That was for our Class A's kitchen, hallway, and bathroom.  Granted I'm SURE that our floor is nowhere near as nice as PatrioticStabilist's will be when it is finished.  But it just goes to show that you can spend as little or as much as you want depending on your budget and the desired end result.
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Re: Replace Flooring
« Reply #16 on: November 12, 2009, 07:37:42 PM »
If you get tired of what Lowes and Home Depot have to offer, check out Lumber Liquidators. You can check out all their material online. I just installed some bamboo and they have all the transition pieces in stock which really dresses up the job.
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Re: Replace Flooring
« Reply #17 on: November 12, 2009, 09:11:31 PM »
QUOTE:  "me around $45 TOTAL on clearance IIRC."

That would be my price range, but I'm curious tho, what does " IIRC" stamd for?
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Re: Replace Flooring
« Reply #18 on: November 12, 2009, 09:48:17 PM »
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what does " IIRC" stamd for?

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Re: Replace Flooring
« Reply #19 on: November 13, 2009, 12:30:22 AM »
I certainly did not plan on spending that much.  However, I bought the tile look and not thinking about the pattern matching that far apart I had to buy an extra box.  There is a very pretty one we used in our den that is a random pattern with no matching that would have been more economical and I wish I had used it.  The reason I didn't is I wanted this lighter color.  Since the home is so small I thought this would make it look larger and I think it does give that illusion.  But I think this "tile" is much more durable then the regular laminate, at least it seems so.

The only reason I didn't use stick on and I have before in other places, was concern of whether they would stick good to the flooring, but sounds like they do since others use them in this type of setting.
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Re: Replace Flooring
« Reply #20 on: November 14, 2009, 09:42:29 AM »
I replaced my filthy carpet with a wood like vinyl product that resembles Laminate flooring planks.  It was nice to install, but it is separating now after last winter.
It did the trick, but I am not happy with it.  Next year I will change to a rigid laminate flooring.

It is not easy getting the factory carpet out is it.  Under the walls and everything.

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Re: Replace Flooring
« Reply #21 on: November 14, 2009, 11:56:53 AM »
It is not easy getting the factory carpet out is it.  Under the walls and everything.

I was wondering about that... our LR carpet needs replacement hopefully in the next year, so I'm starting to figure that out at a DIY project.  I should probably start a new thread.  ;)
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Re: Replace Flooring
« Reply #22 on: November 14, 2009, 12:45:00 PM »
I was lucky, we didn't have the million staples, just a few around the walls.  Now on another home we did, it had the million, what a job.

I used hubbies Dremel tool to cut the carpet as close to the walls as possible, it did pretty good, there are a variety of cutters with it so maybe a different one would work better.  Give one of those a try.  For old old carpet it sure was strong and almost impossible to get out, had been great quality.
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Re: Replace Flooring
« Reply #23 on: December 06, 2009, 08:33:16 AM »
I was wondering about that... our LR carpet needs replacement hopefully in the next year, so I'm starting to figure that out at a DIY project.  I should probably start a new thread.  ;)

I just finished installing a vinyl floor in our motor home, so this is all very fresh in my mind.  In our 29' motor home, the process took about a week.

Getting the carpet out from underneath the walls, cubboards, seats, and bed(s) is the most time consuming task of the entire job. With the dinette and some of the cupboards, it was possible to remove the hold-down screws, making it possible to lift it up off the carpet.  I was then able to pull the carpet in and set the dinette (for example) back down on the wood floor. (And, ultimately, on top of the new vinyl -- a much better installation than butting it up to the edge.)

Unfortunately, you can't do that with walls, or floor-to-ceiling armoires.  With those, the challenge is to remove as much carpet from underneath it as possible, so that the new flooring goes a bit beneath the edging.  I tried many techniques, but ultimately it's a job that requires a needle-nose plyers and patience, cuz you just have to pull it out one "grab" at a time. 

Your next challenge, if you want to use a sheet product, is to make a template.  Use heavy "craft" paper that comes on a roll, and duct tape.  Anything less will stretch or shift on you, rendering your carefully constructed template worthless.

I went with sheet vinyl because I didn't want 2,000 little seams to get full of sand and dirt.  In the end, I was able to install the sheet with only a single seam, underneath the bedroom door.  It took a lot of effort, but was well worth it, as it turned out beautifully.  I'll get some pix up on my website in a day or so.

Good luck with the project. 
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Re: Replace Flooring
« Reply #24 on: December 06, 2009, 12:04:49 PM »
We did not try to get the carpet from under the slides. We cut it close enough to the slides so that we could staple it down securely and used baseboard molding to hide the cut edges. We used an air stapler.

The carpet does not extend under the walls - except for the one interior wall. We used quarter round molding to hide those edges. It does go under the cabinets and again quarter round hid that.
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Re: Replace Flooring
« Reply #25 on: March 13, 2010, 03:47:27 PM »
If you had/wanted to replace the flooring in your MH, what would you do? Carpet, Pergo ... any thing else? It there usually a wood sub floor or is it metal?

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The reality of things is that your flooring choice, whether in your home or your motor home, is a reflection of you.  In one's home, there are few factors that stand in the way of finding the look that you want, whereas motor home's angled or rounded cuts, dependency on low weight and higher gas milage, and of course, moving parts (i.e., slideouts, floor platforms, etc.), can all be a factor to finding a floor that merely works in one's home of wheels.

When making a selection of the right floor for you, you should first decide what is more important to you, something soft and comfortable (an escape if you will from the cold and rough outdoors) or something durable enough to stand up to whatever is brought in from the outdoors.  For our customers, the durability of a hard surface is always attractive, as it cleans up easily and it is resilient to almost anything you can throw at it.  Unfortunately, if you have slideouts, many hard surfaces are restrictive to your ability to install such floors all the way under the slideouts (without adjusting the slideout's height totally and completely).  If you can squeeze some hard surfaces under your slideout, many manufacturers of hard surface products wouldn't recommend it.  Each hard surface floor is attributed to what is called a PSI rating (or the amount of pressure in pounds a floor can sustain before it will dent, chip, splinter, crack, etc.).  As such, the mere height of the floor isn't the only factor under a slideout. 

We at Route 66 RV caution our customers away from tile and hardwood as a result, and we recommend High Pressure Laminate and Luxury Vinyl Tile to those in need of a hard surface option.  Unlike tile and hardwood which are extremely heavy and susceptible to all kinds of problems in a moving coach traveling from one humidity level to another, High Pressure Laminate and Luxury Vinyl Tile won't crack or buckle when installed properly.  They are made to expand and contract mildly by comparison to hardwood, and they are much less weight than any other hard surface option.

While there is one particular High Pressure Laminate on the market which is actually warranted for RVs, laminate floors are free-floating, meaning they are clicked together without ever being secured to the subfloor with glue or nails.  As such, the only thing holding them in place are trim pieces (Quarter Round, End Caps, T-Moldings, Reducers, Stair Nosing, etc.).  When you bring this floor of nearly a 1/2" height up to a slideout, a reducer is needed to cap the edge of this surface.  That reducer must cup the top of that floor, increasing the height of that threshold even more.  When all is said and done, the height of laminate could be, and usually is, a deal breaker.  All other laminate products, outside of the high pressure umbrella, are known as direct pressure (such as nearly every material made by Pergo, Quick Step, Armstrong, Fabrica, Shaw, Mohawk, etc.).  The problem with these floors is that the amount of pressure exerted by your slideout will ultimately scratch, scuff, or crack these surfaces.  As such, I would not recommend them.

Luxury vinyl tile on the other hand is a great option in that it comes in both hardwood plank forms or stone-like tiles, and best of all, this low-profile floor gets glued directly to the subfloor.  As a result, you get the look you want in a durable, "softer hard surface" composed with vinyl that is low-profile enough to be installed under any slideout.  If durability is a fear - don't worry about it, as this floor is being installed now in supermarkets, malls, and other high traffic areas due to its ability to stand up to the elements.  Unlike laminate though, which rests above the surface of the floors, the only complex part about luxury vinyl is the floor prep it takes to smooth out your staple-ridden and uneven subfloor before gluing this new floor in place.

Lastly, the quality of carpet has radically changed in the past few years as well.  In the past, carpet, while soft and comfortable, was detrimental to one's ability to maintain cleanliness in a motor home, soaking up spills and dirt tracked in from outside.  Cheaper carpets utilized by RV manufacturers of all qualities in an effort to save money meant fuzzy fiber that couldn't sustain heavy traffic.  Today though, carpet is a very practical option.  With stain-resistant nylons or inherently stain-resistant polymers now on the market, RV owners can experience the softness they desire with a product that cleans up the way it should.  Carpet is now made with a continuous filament construction too.  This method doesn't fuzz up, leaving you with carpet that will maintain its fiber content and last longer!  The cost of these new polymer fibers are also far less than traditional nylons, as they combine either ethanol or plastic recycling resources to sustain low costs versus crude-oil dependent nylon fiber.

Ultimately, there is never going to be a "perfect floor" for every RV, but the right floor for your needs is out there.
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Re: Replace Flooring
« Reply #26 on: March 13, 2010, 03:59:24 PM »
There are a variety of 'laminates' on the market, not just those with a wood plank appearance and are installed in much the same way (loose-lay / floating) as 'Pergo' - which, after all,  is just a brand name.   Some look just like tile when laid.   Basically anything sold at DIY or flooring stores can be installed; ceramic tile,  vinyl, carpet, laminates and engineered wood plank.  Vinyl, either sheet or tile,  is probably the most durable and easy to maintain but laminates (Pergo style) are a close second.  It's really just a matter of personal taste and choice.  If you are interested in a wood floor appearance, check out those made from bamboo.  Very durable, reasonably priced and installed like any other laminate.

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It should be noted, as an  expert in this field, that Pergo and/or any other "direct pressure laminate" products will dent, chip, crack, splinter, etc. when installed under a slide out in your motor home.  Furthermore, if merely installed in a kitchen area and cut around a slide out, the wear layer of a traditional "direct pressure laminate" is 6 to 12 mil.  This measurement is of the paper construction on the top surface of the laminate, usually adhered to a fiberboard.  Buyer beware though - the thickness of the paper on a laminate is the most important part of the whole floor.  If the paper scratches, dings, etc., what difference does it make how thick the fiberboard is underneath it?

The best product on the market, and one that we only use in motor homes requiring laminate, is Wilsonart.  Wilsonart is the best "high pressure laminate" on the market.  Unlike the other Pergo, Quickstep, Fabrica, etc. options out there, Wilsonart is composed of 8 layers, compressed together under extreme pressure during the manufacturing process.  The top layer alone combines either a 17 mil or 45 mil construction with aluminum oxide to truly be the most durable laminate on the market.  It's base grade called "Classic" starts at that 17 mil paper level and the "Estate Plus, Red Label, and Professional Studio" options are all 45 mil constructions.   Over the past 34 years we have installed flooring in RVs, Wilsonart is the only product that is fully warrantable in a motorhome for wear, stain, fade, and water damage - a claim no other laminate products have yet to boast.

So, know the quality of your selection before you buy it.  By selecting the right laminate for a motor home, you will experience a lot less headaches down the road.
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Re: Replace Flooring
« Reply #27 on: March 13, 2010, 09:29:07 PM »
Great post! Great Info! So, where do you find Wilsonart, as you described it?  Tks again for sharing your obvious wealth of information on this subject.
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