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Safe overnight Nashville, Walmart?
« on: September 24, 2008, 03:28:28 PM »
I'm traveling to Topeka KS soon from Florida to the Doberman National Convention and want to do an overnight in the TV in the Nashville area on a week night. I have found a Walmart
that seems to accept overnights and a Flying J a few miles further North of Nashville as well. Never done this before: I will have the two Dobergirls with me.
Can anyone suggest a better spot for a few hours sleep or is this plan pretty reasonable?
Thanks,
Anne, Morgan & Lena

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Re: Safe overnight Nashville, Walmart?
« Reply #1 on: September 24, 2008, 03:42:14 PM »
I have spent hundreds of nights in Walmarts across the country and I can think of no place safer. Most have patrolling security guards. I don't stay at Flying Js because the sound of diesel engines running all night long keeps me from sleeping.

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« Reply #2 on: September 24, 2008, 03:46:31 PM »
Sounds like a reasonable plan to me - we do it from time to time.  There are numerous Walmarts in the Nashville area and we stayed in one in a western suburb last spring.

Flying J (and other truck stop) parking lots are usually noisy and smelly - we use them as  a last resort only. But Walmart lots are also popular with truckers and they often come and go in the wee hours there too.
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« Reply #3 on: September 24, 2008, 04:11:07 PM »
We recently found a Shell gas station in central IL that was advertised with "RV Hookups".  I pulled off there to dump the tanks, because the line was too long at the campground dump station when we left.  I was expecting a small unimpressive dump station, but BOY was I wrong.  This gas station (a small truck stop I'd call it, but not overly huge) not only had a set of fuel pumps just for RV's with unleaded and diesel, but it had 5-6 dedicated RV dump lanes with full hookups.  Power, water, dump, cable, and phone.  Each lane paved with curbs, and completely level.  So I'd be looking for something like that, which may be a growing trend with new construction gas stations.
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Re: Safe overnight Nashville, Walmart?
« Reply #4 on: September 24, 2008, 07:31:49 PM »
Thanks for the feedback: I plan to let the Walmart manager know when I arrive so there will be no question about why I'm there. I kinda thought
the Walmart would outweigh the Flying J noise wise also, thanks everyone
Anne

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« Reply #5 on: September 24, 2008, 08:14:47 PM »
We've never overnighted at any Wal*Mart and have no plans to do so. There have been a number of reported bad scenarios which I prefer not to expose myself or my family to. Occasionally my other half (the driver) will say "shall we stop at that WM over there?". My response always is "We don't know this town or this area of town, and have no clue if it's a safe area or not."

The idea that WM security are there to protect you is nonsense; They're there to protect the store, not the folks who overnight in their parking lot.

I realize that this reply won't be popular among the WM followers, the "WalMart bound" group, or the stay-for-free folks, but I prefer not to put myself or my family at risk for the sake of a $30 campground fee.

Please don't give me the "we arrive late" line; Most campgrounds have a 'late arrival' procedure and, in over 25 years of RVing, I've come across less than a handful that don't.
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« Reply #6 on: September 24, 2008, 08:24:47 PM »
The Camping World in Nashville allows free overnight parking and has electric outlets on the lampposts around the parking lot perimeter.

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« Reply #7 on: September 24, 2008, 10:06:02 PM »
We've never overnighted at any Wal*Mart and have no plans to do so. There have been a number of reported bad scenarios which I prefer not to expose myself or my family to. Occasionally my other half (the driver) will say "shall we stop at that WM over there?". My response always is "We don't know this town or this area of town, and have no clue if it's a safe area or not."

The idea that WM security are there to protect you is nonsense; They're there to protect the store, not the folks who overnight in their parking lot.

I realize that this reply won't be popular among the WM followers, the "WalMart bound" group, or the stay-for-free folks, but I prefer not to put myself or my family at risk for the sake of a $30 campground fee.

Please don't give me the "we arrive late" line; Most campgrounds have a 'late arrival' procedure and, in over 25 years of RVing, I've come across less than a handful that don't.

At risk??? In a Walmart parking lot??? That is just plain silly and paranoid. How can you possibably think you are safer in a campground just because you paid (wasted) $30 to stay there? Do you have some proof that the crime rate is lower in a campground than in a Walmart parking lot? Walmart security is there to protect the parking lot and the inhabitants thereof, they don't do a thing for protecting the store. That job is left to the in store security. What exactly are these "reported bad scenarios" ???? I ahve spent hundreds of nights in Walmart parking lots over the last ten years and the worst thing that happened to me there was I left my lights on once and drained my battery. I took the battery out and the Tire and Lube center recharged it free. Sounds like a pretty dangerous place to me...

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« Reply #8 on: September 24, 2008, 10:30:15 PM »
Seilerbird,

Take the time to read prior discussions here and you might find I'm not so silly or paranoid as you suggest.

Oh, I've spent hundreds of nights in campgrounds over the last 25 years or so, but what does that prove?
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« Reply #9 on: September 25, 2008, 09:41:16 AM »
I'm kind of on the middle ground in this discussion, though obviously toward the Walmart using side (since we do so several times a year).  It seems to me that the usual common sense applies - if the neighborhood looks a bit ominous, move on. Same as I would for a campground in the area.  Over the last several years I've been to one or two where I did not feel entirely comfortable, but most look and are fine in terms of safety.  Less so in terms of quiet and comfort, but OK.

But most city Walmarts are in business areas and those are typically patrolled to prevent unsavory activities in the lots that would drive off customers. The Security isn't there for me as an RVer, but I benefit from it. Suburban and smaller town Walmarts usually don't have night time patrol security, but they seldom need it either.  Frankly I prefer those without active patrols, since I figure that there must be a problem if the store is paying for regularly patrols all night. 

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Re: Safe overnight Nashville, Walmart?
« Reply #10 on: September 25, 2008, 09:46:58 AM »
At risk??? In a Walmart parking lot??? That is just plain silly and paranoid.

Maybe you missed the news story about the RV family that shot and killed an intruder while they were staying in the Wal-Mart parking lot in Cedar City, Utah?

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« Reply #11 on: September 25, 2008, 11:02:12 AM »
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Each of us has a threshold of risk we are willing to live with.

That's it in a nutshell Gary.

I'm probably over-sensitive (maybe even paranoid), and I don't feel comfortable handing out anything but caution when someone asks a question like the one that started this discussion.
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« Reply #12 on: September 25, 2008, 12:26:32 PM »
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Maybe you missed the news story about the RV family that shot and killed an intruder while they were staying in the Wal-Mart parking lot in Cedar City, Utah?

The link, below, will get you to that story. (If I did it right.)

http://www.rvforum.net/SMF_forum/index.php?topic=6288.0

The perpetrator in that event was irrational, now deceased. By definition, one cannot locate one's-self to avoid irrational criminal behavior. WalMart was incidental, not a normally problematic location for that kind of behavior. (There is no "normally problematic" location for irrational behavior.)

Similarly, truck stops may also present this risk. Most of truck stop crime, however, is vice. If you are not participating, you are at little or no risk.

We also have a few crime stories where the crime was at a campground. (Sorry, went looking for a couple I have read, here, but couldn't find them.)

You need to be "aware" wherever you park. But reasonable caution will shield you from all but unusual and irrational behavior. For those, you need some protection and some prudent general planning. Your Dobbies are probably as much protection as you have any use for, assuming you use some caution in your selection. Look around when you park. Use your instincts.

Just for the record, I avoid highway rest stops, if I need sleep. I also avoid them after dark. This applies, in any state of this country. I'll take a ten minute to half hour break, there, but that's it.

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« Reply #13 on: September 25, 2008, 03:55:55 PM »
We have had to arrive in Nashville near the airport once a year in late January for the last 10 years. Arriving in town the previous evening, we used to stay at the WM near exit 201, west of town on I-40, but for the last 3 years we have stayed at the one in Hermitage because it is closer to our morning destination. Both are quiet and comfortable for us. If you go to the one in Hermitage, go along the North side to the back where there is a nice lighted, but, quiet little section. If you are more comfortable with other campers nearby, go to the one west of town (exit 201). There is also a Sams off I-40 at exit 199, but we have never stayed there.
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« Reply #14 on: September 25, 2008, 06:39:57 PM »
We had an incident at the Walmart in our town involving an overnight RV'r. Some kids thought it would be cute to paint graffiti on the RV. The RV owner sued WalMart over it. They lost but now there is a dedicated area for overnighters and our local PD makes a couple of passes through there during the night.

The WalMart parking lot is an "At your own risk" campsite. I think if you fully understand that and check the local PD website for crime history of the area I see no reason not to us the hospitality they offer. We have always checked the local PD website for crime history when we stay in a metro area and it has paid off a couple of times. The best example was a campground listed in Woodall's that had several drug arrests at the same address. We stopped early that day just to avoid staying in the city overnight. BTW that was a campground in Iowa off I-80. Not what we expected in Iowa.
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« Reply #15 on: September 25, 2008, 08:12:41 PM »
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.... check the local PD website for crime history of the area .....

Good suggestion, and something I hadn't thought of.
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« Reply #16 on: September 25, 2008, 08:58:23 PM »
most walmarts don't care and welcome you...some do not however...it's a safe and cheap place and they don't have "quiet hours".

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« Reply #17 on: September 25, 2008, 09:00:45 PM »
Oh! boy a Wal Mart thread, I love Wal Mart threads so had to go pop some corn for reading  ;D
Well now, call it what you want, but since we got this RV we haven't been in a camp ground. Honestly I can't see camping at the Walley's, anymore than driving 10 to 15 miles out of the way to a camp ground and pay a $30/$40 parking fee for a nights sleep. So we do use the WM's for overnight stays while en route to destination. Truck stops are a bit too noisy,but would do in a pinch. The Walley's up here close around 10 pm so it's nice and quiet and they are our preference. We also don't have the population encountered in the US but I'm sure we have our share per capita of the undesirables.
As for safety,that question really doesn't have a correct answer, you do the best you can. For example On a bus operated by a well known coach line, during this month in one of our Western Provinces, a young man traveling, was stabbed with a knife then decapitated. There are more gruesome details that I wont delve into. Both young men were total strangers so there is no reasoning whatsoever to the act. Now said bus company made new regulations concerning passenger safety, then assuring passengers they would be safe traveling on their line, it wasn't going to happen again. However last week there was another stabbing on the sane bus line. In this case the victim survived.  In today's mad world no one is 100% safe and one has to trust their instincts for one's survival. If it doesn't feel right it most likely isn't. There was a couple of times I moved on. Was I right or wrong, I don't know, but I'm still here and none the worse for it. Today I read a post (elsewhere) that an RV'er carries a 30:06 a .22 and a 12ga. now that fellow scares me, hope he never parks close to where I am  :o
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« Reply #18 on: September 25, 2008, 09:36:53 PM »
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.... an RV'er carries a 30:06 a .22 and a 12ga. now that fellow scares me, hope he never parks close to where I am

Hope he doesn't miss his target  ;)

Several friends who frequent Wal*Mart lots say they feel safe. When I ask "what if?", they tell me about the guns they carry in their motorhomes.

I've been uncomfortable in a campground once, not because of the area, but because they locked the gate at 8.00pm with no overnight patrol and no way to get out.
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« Reply #19 on: September 25, 2008, 09:40:16 PM »
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Hope he doesn't miss his target  Wink

Yeah! worse still he was a Canadian. I've heard of "packing heat" but that is ridiculous even at a Wal-Mart  ;D

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« Reply #20 on: September 25, 2008, 11:11:35 PM »
Well, you guys just ruined my plans to reply in a humorous vein. So I'll post somewhat seriously.

If that guy is packing a 30:06, a .22, and a 12 ga for personal protection, he scares me, too!  :o And, I carry a gun. (None of those.) I thought maybe he was a hunter, moving toward collecting some big game, maybe a rabbit and a few birds. Anyone who would use a 30:06 in a Wally World parking lot, for any purpose, is a nut!  ::)

In the case in this thread, the OP is carrying two doberman gentle ladies, and that is all she needs. If she has a problem, the dobbies eat real meat, that night, red meat!  ::)

Not only that, but if there is trouble, she is not likely to be involved. When she takes the dobies for a walk, so they can do their thing, people will notice. These are show dogs, after all. They are pretty!  ;D Any bad guy is going to take her off of his list, quickly!  :o

If you take a gun out for a walk and show-off, (brandishing) you're going to attract a different kind of attention, like red and blue lights and sirens. Not good! :( So, we don't do that!

Brandishing Dobies? Thats cool.  ;D  Effective, too!  ;D

Oh, and in the confines of an RV, two dobies vs. one armed bad guy, dobies win. Wouldn't be pretty, to watch!  ;D

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« Reply #21 on: September 26, 2008, 09:28:15 AM »
Ray, I agree the Dobies would be good protection.  We have a standard poodle, somehow strutting him around the "Wally" parking lot would probably do little to protect me...or at least the image would suggest that.  However, I have a short story.

I heard of a couple who lived in Washington state and had bought a standard poodle.  The husband really wanted a lab or golden retreiver...something that represented a "real" dog.  Well, the wife wanted the poodle because it didn't shed and she liked poodles.  So they got the poodle.  Had it for a couple of years and one evening they went out for a night on the town.  Got home late that evening and the front door was wide open with no sign of the "dang-not a real dog" poodle.  The husband was furious and kept telling his wife that they should have bought a "real" dog. 

Instead of going in, they called the police.  Police got there and went through the house checking things out.  They came back out and asked the couple to come upstairs.  The poodle had the "bad" guy cornered in the closet with bites to his forearms.  The bad guy said everytime he tried to come out of the closet the dog attacked him. 

Moral of the story...everything isn't always as it appears.    ;D

BTW, the couple bought a second standard poodle. 

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« Reply #22 on: September 26, 2008, 09:54:55 AM »
Great story Marsha. Gordon, the "real dog" labrador, probably would have showed the bad guys where the good stuff was. Actually, any dog is a good deterent for the noise factor if nothing else.

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« Reply #23 on: September 26, 2008, 10:50:44 AM »
I can't imagine Charlie or Gordon being anything but friendly to unwanted visitors. OTOH Sasha will let the whole campground know the would-be attacker had best keep his distance.

If I wasn't allergic, I'd be inclined to adopt Hercule's twin brother; Karl doesn't get intruders, and folks keep their distance when he's outside the coach.
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« Reply #24 on: September 26, 2008, 11:02:38 AM »
My stupid city (lol) issued new bylaws...


In the past we would often see RVers at WalMart, parked there at night..... last week I went to WalMart and saw a city bylaw sign that said that RV parking was not allowed outside of business hours, and that any RV illegally parked would be towed!!!!


That;s the same city who does not allow you to park your RV (even for a short period of time) in front of your house in your driveway... any RV, boat, trailer must be on your lot, but behind the front of your house... it cannot stick out in front of it....  That's all nice, but what do you do when you don't have room (like I do) to park your RV on the side of the house...

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« Reply #25 on: September 26, 2008, 11:20:55 AM »
Many cities have put up those signs, but Wal*Mart takes the stand that it's their property and they will allow RVers to stay there overnight.

We live in a waterfront community where most folks own boats. A couple of years ago the county implemented and enforced a similar code to the one you're faced with. See this message.
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« Reply #26 on: September 26, 2008, 11:41:43 AM »
Our small town passed one of those "no overnight parking at WalMart" laws. It was pushed through by campground owners and it ONLY applied to Wal*Mart. The local police say that they can only come ask someone to move if WalMart calls them and asks them to (ie, it's private property) and WalMart chooses not to have RVs towed off their property. Fortunately, while there are RVs in the lot every night, no one has ever abused the privilege and "camped out" in the lot. So whether there are "no overnight parking" signs or not, it's worth going in and asking permission.

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« Reply #27 on: September 26, 2008, 11:47:04 AM »
That's my understanding of WM's approach (almost) country-wide Wendy.
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« Reply #28 on: September 26, 2008, 12:13:57 PM »
I know that the Bend Oregon WM started enforcing the "no overnight parking" rule but that was RVers own fault....they were truly camped out with rugs and bbqs and long stays. The WM over the hill from us in Durango recently installed big new NO OVERNIGHT RV PARKING signs and the story around town is that they're enforcing it. Not sure if it was their own decision or if it was forced on them by locals. Never saw anyone abuse the parking issue there but it's not a big parking lot so that may be part of their decision.

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« Reply #29 on: September 26, 2008, 12:25:08 PM »
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....they were truly camped out with rugs and bbqs and long stays.

That's the kind of behavior of these so-called RVers that will eventually cause more and more enforcement. Setting out the kitchen sink in a parking lot isn't an overnight stop, nor can it be called snatching a few hours sleep on a long haul.

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.... it's not a big parking lot so that may be part of their decision.

That's just a downright lack of respect for others on the part of these folks.
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« Reply #30 on: September 26, 2008, 01:39:37 PM »
Many cities have put up those signs, but Wal*Mart takes the stand that it's their property and they will allow RVers to stay there overnight.

We live in a waterfront community where most folks own boats. A couple of years ago the county implemented and enforced a similar code to the one you're faced with. See this message.

Our city now has this bylaw but it was never published, as long as someone doesn't complain you are ok.... but it's all on borrowed time!!!!

So I'm already looking for a storage area (commercial) to put my future trailer.... since the bylaw says that the RV owner must be the same as the home owner,... so even though a friend has room in his driveway (to the side of his house) I cannot park it there!

I understand the parking in front of the house during off season (winter) but during summer months it's a big stupid!
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« Reply #31 on: September 26, 2008, 01:44:34 PM »
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...  so even though a friend has room in his driveway (to the side of his house) I cannot park it there!

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« Reply #32 on: September 26, 2008, 02:43:23 PM »
Hey! how about a whole Province RV overnight parking ban!  ;D

Well not too much to get excited about as we overnighted at many W-M's in the Prov.  in front of, along side of, and and actually tried to be as conspicuous close to the signs as we could be. DW was a bit nervous about it  but nothing happened, not even a request to leave. I was also pleased to see a few more motor homes pulling in and ignoring them.  A stupid law the result of a lobby by the independent Tourist industry businesses with no other aim than GREED.
So Boycotts do indeed work, and the loss of revenue is felt by all.  Actully myself and others have been working on this since the Fall of 2006 (trip to park under the signs). In addition to the loss of tourist $$ there would be the cost of enforcing it which would be astronomical.  It wasn't Wal Marts law so the province would have to pay. The only way the police can intervene is if Wal Mart complains, and since they didn't no one bothered us including the Police patrols.
This has been a long hard road, the signs are mostly gone, and when I find the location of one all it takes is a phone call to have it removed. I won't bother posting a photo of the Atlantic shopping centers signs as they were much the same thing. I'm told that the Govt. is talking to the head offices to remove the signs, also that the Act in question will be revised. No doubt that when the act is revised the industry will lobby individual Municipalities to pass such By-Laws.
If and when the act is revised, It is my intention to write the Council of each Municipality and inform them of the consequences (Boycott) will do if they pass such regressive legislation. The loss of RV tourism cost to the whole province is readily available as an incentive for them to think differently. Boycotts do work, get the word out on the net, it takes time and perseverance but it can be accomplished. Folk's this story is much too long for a post

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« Reply #33 on: September 26, 2008, 03:31:33 PM »
Thanks for the report and link Willey. I won't be avoiding any towns or shopping at any WM store because they have "No overnight parking" signs.
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« Reply #34 on: September 26, 2008, 04:32:25 PM »
I for one would appreciate if you all could be a bit more specific when you mention that RVs are not allowed to overnight in your province or city.  Glancing at your profiles doesn't help as you don't have a city listed  Perhaps you could just mention the town or area that has the ban so we know what to expect if we pass that way (or we can at least put it in a file for future reference).

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« Reply #35 on: September 26, 2008, 05:19:31 PM »
Cortez, Colorado - No Overnight Parking signs at Wal-Mart but not enforced

Durango, Colorado - No Overnight RV Parking signs and enforced by WM & police

Farmington, New Mexico - no signs and no problem parking overnight

Bend, Oregon - No Overnight Parking signs, enforced by WM & police - used to be ok until people started homesteading there, putting out carpets, bbqs, etc. and staying for weeks at a time.

Gallup, New Mexico - No Overnight Parking signs - not enforced

These are ones that I personally know off the top of my head. There are a lot of websites and yahoo groups dedicated to providing info on Wal-Mart overnighting. A google search will turn up tons.

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« Reply #36 on: September 26, 2008, 05:23:40 PM »
Lake Havasu City, AZ - No overnight parking signs, but have no idea if they're enforced and don't care.
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« Reply #37 on: September 26, 2008, 05:31:39 PM »
It only take a few ignorant self serving individuals to ruin it for everybody.
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« Reply #38 on: September 26, 2008, 05:35:42 PM »
Thank you Wendy and Tom.  I've never been much for Yahoo groups but I suspect I need to start looking at them.

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« Reply #39 on: September 26, 2008, 05:38:44 PM »
I agree Ron!  Those who abuse what we all use ruin it for everyone!  In the boating (cruising) world, one is supposed to have the right of free travel (in US waters), but many states are creating laws (especially Florida) to limit your stay in any anchorage to keep out the squatters.  Here too, those who abuse destroy it for all!

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« Reply #40 on: September 26, 2008, 05:45:08 PM »
Don't know if this is common practice cross the country, but Wal*Mart parking lots within a 100 miles radius of us host "RV shows" in their parking lots. They're actually dealer shows - one or more dealers employ sales guys who spend full time moving RVs between different WMs in the area. They stay a week or two, then move on to the next.

You'd think this would be a good reason for those sales staff to overnight in their own RV. But, when I talked with one sales guy, he emphatically told me he stays at a nearby motel.
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« Reply #41 on: September 26, 2008, 05:48:36 PM »
If you don't like Yahoo groups, try this site....it lists Wal-Marts that individuals report do NOT allow overnighting parking. But be aware that it's not always accurate. And often when there are signs posting against overnight parking, overnighting is allowed.

Flagstaff, Arizona - has No Overnight Parkings signs but we've stayed there and have seen others do so. But it's always been in the winter when there weren't tons of tourists around. They may enforce it more during the busy season.

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« Reply #42 on: September 26, 2008, 05:53:46 PM »
Tracy, CA - close to I-205. Don't recall seeing signs, and I always see RVs there. Some are overnighting, others seem to think it's a campground.
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« Reply #43 on: September 26, 2008, 06:08:33 PM »
Thanks for the link Wendy, another wealth of information.

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« Reply #44 on: September 26, 2008, 07:38:34 PM »
I have to agree with gary in this one. Wal marts are as safe as any campground as long as they are in a decent neighborhood. I have done that 2 times, and no problems so far. Use your judgement on location, what kind of cars are driving around, is there nice subdivisions or homes in the area, if you see too many police cars patroling around you know is a problematic area, etc...
   
      Sometimes industrial, comercial or downtown areas are the home of lots of "late night illegal buisness" including homeless and you know what else. It is a gamble no matter what, but acording to statistics, you should be ok.
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« Reply #45 on: September 26, 2008, 08:24:43 PM »
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Hi Tom, I'd defend the right of property owners to post their properties for their own reasons, but I'm 100% against minions forcing property owners to post or limit the use of their properties in their self interest of gouging. This was the case in Nova Scotia, the Province didn't push this it was the federation of Independent Business Assoc. spurred on by their sub branch "COANS" (Campground owners Assoc of NS)
What happened was the Prov wouldn't push the issue (too expensive) so the minions took it on their own to convince major retail business that they were breaking the law by letting RV's park overnight. Net result of this was a loss of RV traffic to NS to the tune of 20% per year compared to the previous year. Now after 20% per year per year, that is a lot of tourist $$$ to lose so the general population has to make up for it in taxes. Camp grounds here don't open until July 1 and close after Labor day weekend so with stupidity like that wheres a tourist going to park if they arrive before or after those dates.
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Steve In my case the Tourism Act is not a By-Law, it is a regulatory act that covers the whole   Province "every town and city" however as said  above it is being corrected. Instead of removing signs town by town our legislative rep (MLA) informed me yesterday that they are doing as I asked by tackling the problem at the head offices of each large retailer. Hopefully all restrictive signs will have been removed by next season. It's still messed up in one city in that a New Wal-Mart has the sign quoting the act that it is against the law to overnight,  and another business directly across the road from it has a Welcome RV's & Dump site available sign. It doesn't get any more ridiculous than that does it. There are plans to revise and re-word that section of the Act and that has been my pet peeve from the start.  It was kind of funny though when I wrote to every member of the Legislative Assembly to ask them "Who was Lying, Wal Mart or them" man did that ever open a hornets nest, then the signs started coming down.
I have no problem with Wal-Mart putting RV restrictive signage for their own reasons.  Please remember at the start of this in 2006 it was considered illegal (but not enforced) for my brother to let me park in his yard overnight while visiting. It's kind of funny but most Police don't even know or care about it as they are not empowered by the Prov to enforce it. Also it is of legal opinion that the Province does not have the authority to enforce it. So in summation we have
an illegal law that makes land owners law breakers if they allow RV's to overnight on their property all brought on by camp ground owners who have decided to declare war on their prospective customers. What a way to run a Prov.
Now don't get me all wrong in regards to CG owners, I have also lobbied for public funding to help the Camp grounds  upgrade to a competitive status. Some are in dire straits from waiting for the law to force customers into their establishments.
Geez I'm long winded when I get going  ;D
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One of the safest parking lot overniters that we have spent was in a lot that didn't look very good. We were visiting friends in Pasadena, CA but couldn't park on the streets near them because of the strong pitch of the roads. Driving around with them on the way to our restaurant destination on Rosemead, we came across the Temple City K-Mart. Almost kind of scary. I went inside to ask about overnite parking and was told it was illegal by city ordinance. As I went back to the coach, I saw a police car patrolling the lot and asked if he could suggest a campground or someplace safe to park. He said to stay where I was at, he would keep an eye on us until his shift ended at midnite and notified his desk sergeant to have the next shift watch us also. Worked out well and we didn't get ticketed for parking ;D
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« Reply #48 on: September 27, 2008, 08:36:31 PM »
Hey!  We could run two safety tests at the same time -- let's have the next rally at a Mexican Wal-Mart!    ::)

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Wendy,

FYI, Flagstaff does sometimes enforce the rules. We stayed at Sams Club in Flagstaff with no prolems, but it was late and snowed that evening.

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All this Wal-Mart discussion so I ended up in a SuperCenter in Elkton, MD tonight. ;D

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Don`t you dare go to bed. Keep an eye out the window. ;D ;D ;D
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Now that you mentioned firearms. What are the laws about firearms. Can you keep firearms in your coach? Is it consider like a house? where you can keep firearms and rifles without consealed weapons license? And is it different in other states?
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Laws vary by state. Try using the Advanced search link above to find prior discussions. Remember that, if you miss, you might hit a neighbor or some other innocent bystander, and you'll be in deep doo doo.
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Now that you mentioned firearms. What are the laws about firearms. Can you keep firearms in your coach? Is it consider like a house? where you can keep firearms and rifles without consealed weapons license? And is it different in other states?

Busa, there are somewhere near 25,000 laws, governing firearms, in this country. There are Federal, State, county and city laws. There are Federal, state, county and city agency laws, and no two states are alike. You have to study the specific location you are going to be in, to learn the laws, there. It is particularly important if you plan on traveling with a firearm.

You can reduce the size of the job, by narrowing the search to your area of interest. For example, taking note of the subject of this thread, your interest would be in personal security. For best information on that, search the internet. I suggest packing.org or http://www.handgunlaw.us/ and hasten to note that i haven't been able to pick up packing.org, lately.

For discussions on the adviseability, ethics, and a few technique commentaries, of carrying a gun in your RV, there are a number of simply riveting threads on the RV Forum, that can be found with a search, here.

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  Yes, in most areas. Not in all areas, however, so check it out. When I am going to a state where I have not been, recently, I call the State Police office, in the capital, and ask. They are very forthcoming and helpful. Write your questions down, first, so you don't forget to ask one of them.

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  This is a state law issue. In most states that I know about, an RV is a residence (like a house) and residential rules apply. In my state, your tent, out in the boonies, is a residence. May not be the same in all states, so check it out.

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Yep! No two alike. Some similarities, but "close" is not good enough. Cross your T's and dot your I's.

For a starter education, I suggest taking a Concealed Carry License course in your home state or a nearby state. Normally, these courses are 8 hours. May be split into two four hour evenings. Doesn't matter that you may not be interested in carrying concealed. Those courses are good basic courses in firearms law, dealing specifically with personal defense and personal security. You don't have to apply for the license, just because you took the course.

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Tom, I'm shocked! :o

Here we are in a thread that deals with personal security and no one has mentioned firearms - until now! You surprised me!  ???

Am I in trouble, yet?  :-\

Tom, I'll go back to my corner and behave, now.  :(  ::)

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« Reply #57 on: September 28, 2008, 11:29:00 PM »
LOL Ray, maybe I'm the one who should go hide in the corner  ;D

For the record, we don't carry firearms in our coach and don't have any at home. I use a slingshot for long distance and a tire iron for short range. I can also do a good imitation of a Welsh Corgi yapping at the door.
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« Reply #58 on: September 28, 2008, 11:54:38 PM »
Gee, Tom! This is getting worse!  ::)

In many jurisdictions, a sling shot falls under the same laws as firearms. Welcome to the firearms club!  ;D

The tire iron is slightly superior to a gun, in close quarters - like in an RV. A classroom training technique pits gun against knife in a classroom that is larger than 21' and two go at it. Knife wins or draws, nearly every time. It's called the Tuellar Drill. A blunt instrument can be substituted - tire iron. Same result. The knife or iron is padded and the gun shoots cigarette filters. Still hurts, and leaves a bruise. The purpose is to disavow the happy-go-lucky gunman of any idea that he is always superior.  :-\

I've been bruised, bruised a few, and have been completely disavowed of the idea that a gun is always superior in close quarters. You wouldn't guess that a cigarette filter could raise such a welt!  :o

So, take your tire iron into your RV and sleep well. You are armed!  :o

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By the way, a formidable dog is in his element, in close quarters. Dog beats gun and just about any other weapon, there!
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Interesting stuff from Sergeant Tueller.
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Thanks, Tom. As many times as I have done the Tueller Drill, never done it with my back to the "attacker." Interesting reading. I have to learn to research my subjects in Wickopedia.

I have had training where the "Tueller Drill" was done "gently." That is with a cardboard knife and an orange plastic simulated  gun. When you draw, you say "BANG," to shoot. Nobody gets hurt. You go through the whole class, and get no bruises, lose no blood. Also, you don't really get the point brought home, as well as doing it the rugged way.

We had a nice neighborhood, when my late wife got cancer. Druggies moved in, and I didn't notice, as I was busy with the cancer battle. (Ten years!) I was attacked, dragged into the drug war, day after Thanksgiving, 1987. I had to take my wife for treatment, regularly, which caused the druggies to feel that I was insulting them. (I was "dissing" them!) I started carrying a gun. The war was on!  >:(

Some Law Enforcement officers steered me into training, telling me I needed it. (Due to my "attitude.") Ultimately, I was led/pushed into a pretty rugged, realistic, rough and tumble, Advanced Handgun Combat course. Did two courses. By the end of the week, both times, I was bruised, everywhere, had small bandages over a few nicks and cuts, and worn out/exhausted, from twelve hours days of intense, simulated, hangun combat. Much of that was done with real guns, live ammo, lin the dark. At the end, you are almost convinced that you are in a real gun-fight.

The course was super effective. I was amazed at the difference in my skills. Still pretty much have them after more than ten years. There are a lot of variations on what is called the "Tueller Drill." For someone untrained, I recommend the orange plastic gun and cardboard knife. Live ammo outside of a formal training class, even with "cigarette filter bullets," is unwise, to be avoided!  :o

Well, I'll stop. This thread has been hijacked, six ways from Sunday, and I've done my share of hijacking.  ::)

Feel free to delete my post, or move to new thread - which I doubt is appropriate to this forum.  ::)

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« Reply #61 on: September 29, 2008, 01:27:49 PM »
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Next time I stay at Wal*Mart I'll be sure to have a a cardboard knife and an orange plastic simulated gun for protection  ;D
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« Reply #62 on: September 29, 2008, 02:15:04 PM »
Tom, keep your tire iron.  ;D

Also, get a real dog and save your Welsh Corgi imitation voice for campfire fun.  :D

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Ray,

Next time I stay at Wal*Mart I'll be sure to have a a cardboard knife and an orange plastic simulated gun for protection  ;D

Tom:

The next (first?) time you stay at Wal-Mart we will be using ray-guns or something. ;D

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« Reply #64 on: September 29, 2008, 04:59:52 PM »
LOL Jeff, and I'll be flying in on my saucer.
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« Reply #65 on: September 29, 2008, 05:21:41 PM »
LOL Jeff, and I'll be flying in on my saucer.

Walmart allows saucers to overnight?

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« Reply #67 on: September 29, 2008, 08:15:29 PM »
Thank`s for the ideas  guys. Sorry if I started a subject that my offend somebody. Guns safety wise. I have quite a few guns including AR15, big game rifles, shotguns, plinksters etc... And I am very familiar with all of them (ex army). Plus I visit the local shooting range about once every a couple months. So safety is not a issue. It`s just the law I`m worried about. I don`t want to do anything illegal. I guess I`ll start the research with the satate I live in, Florida. Thank`s again.
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« Reply #68 on: September 29, 2008, 08:26:50 PM »
Busa,

   Also check which states have reciprocal agreements with your home state concerning firearms permits.

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« Reply #69 on: September 29, 2008, 08:33:10 PM »
Thank`s Steve. I know Fl. has reciprocal agreements with quite a few states out there.
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« Reply #70 on: September 29, 2008, 09:04:13 PM »
Busa, learning Florida first is a good idea. Florida has pretty much lead the nation in Second Ammendment issues. Your state was first to pass what is called the "Make My Day," law, for example. Once you learn Florida, you can then compare other states as you go. Many or most will be more restrictive than Florida. But it gives you a "base" to compare to.

Many "Shall Issue" states reciprocate with Florida. You are in good hands, starting there.  ;D

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Re: Safe overnight Nashville, Walmart?
« Reply #71 on: September 29, 2008, 09:38:47 PM »
Why do y'all need protection to stop at Wal-Mart?  ??? We didn't do any traveling this year, too busy completing the "honey do" list, and too much rain to enjoy driving. In the past couple years we stayed overnight at quite a few WM's without the experience of unpleasant incidents. In fact it's been quite the opposite. We talked to other RV'ers, nice grassy areas to exercise the dogs (most had one or more) lots were level (excepting 1 in Levis QC). However I can't say we saved money $$ by using their parking lots. The way I look at it is that we spend the $$ on things we want and can use and not on amenities that we do not need or want. Staying overnight at a parking lot is as far from camping as it is from boondocking. There's no camp fires, toasting marshmallows, hot dogs or comradary of the fire ring. Fact is, the only available activity is shopping, now if anyone wishes to call that recreational, well more power to them. Unlike camping, and instead of a relaxing day ahead, when you get up in the morning, you prepare for another full day on the road (actually I like this, it may not be camping but it is RV'ing at it's best) ;D
A year off the road for us may not be a bad thing, the dog who will be 2 yr. old in Jan next, is finally maturing. Somewhat larger and taller than the previous one and I'm sure will be quite intimidating. I like the idea of the Bear Spray so maybe I'll get a can of that too.
There will always be people who will use parking lots or any convenient space to overnight. That's their Shtick, and there will always be those persons who wont and that's their shtick. It's just a matter of their own personal choice, some like it, some like it a lot and then some don't like it at all. Life's like that.
Now what was it I said in a previous post about Wal-Mart threads wandering all over (on and off topic)  ;D  actually they can get quite interesting and sometimes humorous if no one takes it too serious.
Ah! since I was in town today I checked for the "Atlantic Shopping Centers'" No Overnight RV Parking signs, they were all taken down. Also I'm informed that the Canadian Tire Store informed the politicians that they were glad to have the business of the overnighting RV's and had no intention of sending them on their way. 
Sheesh! maybe I should start a Blog ;D

Y' All have a great evening

Cheers Willey
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Re: Safe overnight Nashville, Walmart?
« Reply #72 on: September 29, 2008, 10:40:08 PM »
Willey, what kind of dog?
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Re: Safe overnight Nashville, Walmart?
« Reply #73 on: September 29, 2008, 11:03:13 PM »
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I'm informed that the Canadian Tire Store informed the politicians that they were glad to have the business of the overnighting RV's and had no intention of sending them on their way.

That's good to know Willey. I hadn't heard that before.
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Re: Safe overnight Nashville, Walmart?
« Reply #74 on: September 30, 2008, 12:00:26 PM »
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Willey, what kind of dog?
A mutt, mostly retriever Lab & Golden and something else that must be tall. When standing her head is above the kitchen table. She's a good natured dog similar to the Shepherd Husky mix we had previously, she was a "pussy cat" but aware to any persons who would be a threat to us. Happened twice with some punks who tried to get entrance to our home. Seems they thought the pickings would be easier and safer elsewhere and left in a hurry, don't know why they did that as the dog was inside the house.

Tom, the reply was from the local CT store, so I don't know if it's corporate policy.  Unlike W-M, most of these stores are franchises but all sell the same wares so it's quite possible they all feel the same way about it. Some even have RV dumps. They sell just about everything except clothing lines. Lots of camping gear (clothing shoes etc) RV stuff and mostly what Wal-Mart sells except food. So you can expect to part with some cash after browsing the store. Some things can be more expensive but of better quality. For instance Yesterday I bought a wood drill bit 1" at Wal Mart a B&D made in China was $4.95 or close but I opted for a quality bit made in USA for $6 and change. The point that made me laugh was they (the store manager) didn't give a sh** about the signs,  RV's were welcome anyway.
Cheers Willey
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Ray here's a couple of Pics of the dog. The shepherd is the neighbor's dog Mandy. Gabby (ours) being mostly black doesn't have very good detail in photos. She's even a bit taller now. I'm 5-11 and if she decides to put her paws on my shoulders there's no stopping her (play time) talk about getting looked in the eye  ;D I have to pay attention trying to keep my balance, she's probably between 80 to 90 lb (leaning more towards 90)

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Re: Safe overnight Nashville, Walmart?
« Reply #75 on: September 30, 2008, 12:38:08 PM »
Thanks Willey. I visited a couple of Canadian Tire stores in NB, great stores. Didn't get out of there without parting with some of my cash  ;D
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Re: Safe overnight Nashville, Walmart?
« Reply #76 on: September 30, 2008, 02:58:04 PM »
Fine looking dog, in my opinion. Hope she likes RVing.

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Re: Safe overnight Nashville, Walmart?
« Reply #77 on: September 30, 2008, 05:41:52 PM »
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Hope she likes RVing.
Hey just open the door and she's the first one in. Wasn't always like that. When we first got her the wife claimed she was a psycho bitch from hell. Now between a destructive dog, complaining wife and trying to get ready for the trip (which I named "A trip to hell and back") modifying the RV, life wasn't too rosy. However the trip did one great thing Gabby became part of the family and the wife began calling her by her name.

Cheers Willey
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