Topic: Sportsmobile Penthouse Raised Roof (Read 9482 times)

Hit The Road Jack · « **Reply #30 on:** March 25, 2009, 09:29:47 AM »

Quote from: Len and Jo on March 24, 2009, 03:26:29 PM

They are very close cousins.

We are at the Huntington, Indiana Holiday Inn right now. Sportsmobile is putting us up here for the night for "free". They also have supplied us with a car. As soon as we pulled in at 2:30 pm they started opening the top with a can opener. Wanted to know if I wanted to keep the roof fans. Took me about 0.000001 seconds to respond that yes I want both Fantastic Fans. I may be dumb but I ain't stupid.

Found the local quilt shop but it has been moved to another town. Typical.

Keep the pics come'n!...Have fun in Indiana!

Len and Jo · « **Reply #31 on:** March 26, 2009, 07:40:39 PM »

Sportmobile wanted us to stop by between noon and one on Wednesday to get an estimate of when the van would be done. I figured the job should take about 4 hours so I was expecting them to be done when we came in at 12:30 pm. We found two quilt stores during our morning wait. I watched and Joanne shopped.
Sure enough they were just vacuuming the van out when we got there. We were on the road home by 2 pm. Started putting the interior that we are re using back in today.

S J Strait · « **Reply #32 on:** March 26, 2009, 07:54:04 PM »

Wow! looking good . will your bed be up top?

Len and Jo · « **Reply #33 on:** March 26, 2009, 09:32:39 PM »

That's the plan. Sportsmobile could have provided us one for ~$500 if we wanted it. Have heard some negative comments about the 2" foam they use. We also already have Thermarest sleeping pads we really like and want to use. So we will make our own platform. It will store on the ceiling during the day and set on the van roof rails at night for sleeping - same as the Sportsmobile design.

S J Strait · « **Reply #34 on:** March 27, 2009, 04:40:51 AM »

I bet you can't wait to get it done and get to try it out.

Len and Jo · « **Reply #35 on:** March 31, 2009, 09:03:18 PM »

Well some progress is being made

See photos below. My "old" back end (the van that is) went back in with very little modification. Was fitted for roof crown and I had cut the tops of straight across to fit below the penthouse bed. Was getting things rolling along: sink back in, water tanks filled w chlorinated water and leak checked, rear buttoned up. Then as I tested the 110 volt electrical (ie: it was cold outside so I thought I would run the electric heater) the GFI tripped and tripped and tripped. No matter how hard I punched it to reset it it would trip as soon as I turned the heater on......and then when I started to try and run the battery charger. $:-\$ $:-\$

So I am draining the water tanks and pulling the sink cabinet so I can EASILY get at all the 110 volt wiring. The 110 wiring was the ONLY thing that I had not touched (so I thought).

Well anyway I have started making a bed platform. I did not like the sharp pointed rope cleats that Sportsmoble uses to hang the bed from. I know I would back into them when the bed was down and scrape them across my back. Or smash my head on one as I ducked under the bed at 2:00 a.m. on the way to the head. Just like I had a magnetic attraction for my old SHARP cornered van ceiling light fixtures. At least early in each year. I did re-learn fast. So see my "better mouse trap below.

1st Pic. "Is it done yet?"

2nd Pic. Some progress...over confidently I put the toilet back in. Maybe I needed a place to think while I was out working in the van. Our sub-consciously I thought it might be a good safety feature after just getting back from Haiti. $:-\$ $:-\$

3rd Pic. Snow, it snowed, but but but

4th Pic. Bed IS stowed below the ceiling if you look really close. Also note the toilet has been removed while exploring for the milli-amps that are leaking under the sink and tripping the GFI

5th Pic Bed to ceiling attachment method

6th Pic Close up of my better mouse trap. As long as it does not snap on me.

S J Strait · « **Reply #36 on:** April 01, 2009, 05:39:18 AM »

Hey looks like you are moving forward now. I had one question on the bed. Are the S hooks the only thing holding the bed up to the ceiling when in transit? Just wondering if they bare strong enough to hold if you hit a big bump in the road. Thanks for sharing looks good.

Len and Jo · « **Reply #37 on:** April 01, 2009, 06:31:32 AM »

Sportsmobile says the bed should be supported by the bed rails when in transit. The 'S' hooks support the bed only when stored at the ceiling level while camped. Also I weighed the bed last night when I installed the supports and it weighs (as of now) 58 lbs which is about 15 lbs per corner. Probably will be about 20-23 lbs per corner when completed and if stored with bedding in place (our plan).

davemittan · « **Reply #38 on:** April 01, 2009, 06:39:25 AM »

I'm curious about the number and configuration of the bed supports. Got pics?

Hit The Road Jack · « **Reply #39 on:** April 01, 2009, 10:47:58 AM »

Quote from: Len and Jo on April 01, 2009, 06:31:32 AM

Sportsmobile says the bed should be supported by the bed rails when in transit. The 'S' hooks support the bed only when stored at the ceiling level while camped. Also I weighed the bed last night when I installed the supports and it weighs (as of now) 58 lbs which is about 15 lbs per corner. Probably will be about 20-23 lbs per corner when completed and if stored with bedding in place (or plan).

Looks really cool Len!

Is that a 'Ryobi' cordless drill lying on the passenger side bed?

Len and Jo · « **Reply #40 on:** April 01, 2009, 12:31:58 PM »

Dave,

If you go to: http://www.sportsmobile.com/1_rb-50.html you will find their photo's of the optional penthouse bed. You will see that the bed when down is supported by the two side rails of the penthouse assembly. If you look close you will note the two cleats (two more at other end of bed) that they use to attach bed to ceiling for out of the way storage. They have stainless steel 1/8" cable loops attached to ceiling that when you push the end of the bed up to the ceiling that you rap around the cleats.

Jack,

Photo 4 shows both of my drills setting on the drivers side bench. The small dark one is a 9.6 volt Black and Decker and the yellow one is one of my two Ryobi 18 volt drills (one a drill and one with hammer drill option). The Black and Decker (very old model) is my favorite: light weight (good for overhead use), good torque, reasonable battery charge life, and batteries last for years before needing replacing. Ryobi: has more torque (of course w 18v), battery charger charges battery reasonably fast, BUT the batteries DO NOT last for years like the B&D $$$.

I took my pet ("old reliable" B&D 9.6v w two batteries and charger) to Mirebalais Haiti with me but recharging took 24 hours with the cities 96 volt line voltage. I got a fell days work out of the drill drilling cinder block walls for wall anchors. Second battery did not die until end of work day. Put one battery on charger in hotel room and at 1 am got up (5 hr charge time) and switched to second batter on the charger (another 5 hours of charge time) only to discover that neither battery had a charge when I got to work that morning. Had to leave one battery on charger for 24 hours to get it charged. We had a 18 volt DeWalt and it would recharge in a reasonable time with that sub-standard voltage (but only had one battery for it).

Len and Jo · « **Reply #41 on:** April 04, 2009, 07:50:20 PM »

I see I reported having a GFI tripping problem on March 31st. Well today April 4th, and working on it every day, I FINALLY have the problem fixed. I have been humbled. Everything I thought it was, it was not. After spending 3 days not getting anywhere I decided to start where the power comes into the van and replace wiring. Clean up some past sins. Turns out the problem was not close to were I was working. Lot of wiring cleaned up.

Sportsmobile used an air chisel to remove the roof. Lots of vibration. Found an outlet box where the ground wires had vibrated loss or off. Anyway cleaning up some wiring and re-attaching those wires fixed the problem.

Now I can start going forward again.

S J Strait · « **Reply #42 on:** April 04, 2009, 08:21:37 PM »

Damned gremlins anyway LOL

Len and Jo · « **Reply #43 on:** April 10, 2009, 06:59:58 PM »

Well the rear of the van is now complete. I did salvage some of the overhead storage cabinets and installed small sections of them at the top of the rear compartment wall. Good place to mount lighting on. I also installed lighting (2 10w 12v fixtures) in the hanging closet. Note the white light switch mounted above the closet.

Next task is to figure out how to mount an awning on the side of the van. My old roof rack mounting method has been eliminated by the Sportsmobile penthouse roof. My thoughts are to add a roof ladder to the rear passenger side of the van (just forward of rr bumper) and some sort of attachment above the passenger front door. That would give me two locations to mount an awning. Need to find away to make the awning weather tight where it meets the van. The awnings trailers, motor homes, etc. are tight against the RV so that you don't get wet when you first step out under the awning on a rainy day.

RV Roamer · « **Reply #44 on:** April 10, 2009, 07:59:18 PM »

Looking good, Len!

Len and Jo · « **Reply #45 on:** April 10, 2009, 09:22:22 PM »

Thanks Gary,

It will be different. Still can't get used to the new roof. I get in the van and walk around like a very old man. Then I remember I can stand up. Then I forget almost as soon as I remember. It will take awhile to undue 8 years of hard knock (literally) training.

S J Strait · « **Reply #46 on:** April 10, 2009, 09:33:48 PM »

looks great!

davemittan · « **Reply #47 on:** April 11, 2009, 04:59:53 AM »

Most impressive. Looks like great workmanship from where I sit. Clever space utilization, too.

Hit The Road Jack · « **Reply #48 on:** April 11, 2009, 09:10:37 AM »

Quote from: Len and Jo on April 10, 2009, 06:59:58 PM

Well the rear of the van is now complete. I did salvage some of the overhead storage cabinets and installed small sections of them at the top of the rear compartment wall. Good place to mount lighting on. I also installed lighting (2 10w 12v fixtures) in the hanging closet. Note the white light switch mounted above the closet.
Next task is to figure out how to mount an awning on the side of the van. My old roof rack mounting method has been eliminated by the Sportsmobile penthouse roof. My thoughts are to add a roof ladder to the rear passenger side of the van (just forward of rr bumper) and some sort of attachment above the passenger front door. That would give me two locations to mount an awning. Need to find away to make the awning weather tight where it meets the van. The awnings trailers, motor homes, etc. are tight against the RV so that you don't get wet when you first step out under the awning on a rainy day.

Looks wonderful Len!...I like it!...

BTW, is that white 'Dercora' switch approved for 12 volt application?

Len and Jo · « **Reply #49 on:** April 11, 2009, 04:14:12 PM »

Yes, I approved it.

It would be interesting to hear some other comments though. I figure they can handle 10 amps A/c or so, so a couple of amps ( my case 20watts at 12 volts...about 1.8 amps DC) DC should not hurt.

Jim Godward · « **Reply #50 on:** April 11, 2009, 04:19:40 PM »

Len,

You're OK with the switch. The problem with AC or large amperage switches in low voltage applications is usually there is not enough current, say a few ma, and the contacts build a film and insulate from the low voltage so they no longer work. With over 1 A you are fine, 1 ma, no.

Len and Jo · « **Reply #51 on:** April 11, 2009, 05:39:39 PM »

I used to use toggle switches once and awhile....seems to me (my memory

) is that they came with different current ratings. One for 120/240 volts AC and a different rating for low voltage DC. Does my memory serve me correctly??

Jim Godward · « **Reply #52 on:** April 11, 2009, 10:20:47 PM »

Len,

Without going and looking at one, my memory is the same as yours.

Len and Jo · « **Reply #53 on:** May 06, 2009, 01:52:39 PM »

Since I'm the only class B owner on the RV forum

I will continue this epistle.

I have now installed my awning and Fantastic Vent on the Sportsmobile penthouse top.

I have been on a Sportsmobile forum but evidentially none of its members have done what I wanted to do. They are mainly into trick suspensions and off road driving.

Sportsmobile installed awnings are attached to the drip rail and then some screws into the van side sheet metal. The awning brackets must raise the awning up so that it clears the side doors when deployed. The sheet metal tends to develop cracks at the screw attachments from this cantilevered awning load over time. I finally decided to attach my awning to the SMB penthouse top. I used every other hole in my new white awning rail and backed up the #6 machine screws with fender washers and acorn nuts. See attached photos of awning installed and deployed.

We set the awning up and then raise the penthouse roof. To take the awning down we must lower the roof first.

Oh yes, I found a roof raising assist method! The penthouse roof is spring loaded. You have to push up from a crotched position to start raising it. (When it is down it wants to stay down and when it is up it wants to stay up). After it is about 1/3 of the way up and you have to hold onto the it as the spring load now wants to pop it up and hold it up. Trying to push up while bent over is not a trivial task. So, instead of opening doors to let air in as you raise the top.....close the camper up tight....run the van engine and turn the van blower to outside air and put it on HIGH. Now with the van internal positive pressure the penthouse roof goes up real easy!!

Sportsmobile does not recommend installing a fan in the roof. Oh well. The main roof structure is five strips of fore aft running plywood encased in the fiberglass roof material. The outboard strips are probably 3/4 inch plywood and the inboard three strips are 1/2 inch plywood ( see photo below of center section).

I mounted my year and half old Fantastic Vent 6600 over the foot of the bed. As far from our heads as possible and still fit in the roof. The 12 volt electrical wiring between the two penthouse ceiling lights goes right through this area. Easy place to get power for the fan after I cut them making the fan mounting hole.

Oh yes, even if you mark all the 12 volt wiring clearly as to what is positive and what is negative you will blow the fuse on the Fantastic Vent if you connect them backwards. Just can't get good help these days

RV Roamer · « **Reply #54 on:** May 06, 2009, 02:49:02 PM »

You do nice work, Len. Maybe I should hire you for my next remodeling job...

Len and Jo · « **Reply #55 on:** May 06, 2009, 03:53:16 PM »

I do OK, but my "progress rate" per "hour worked" ratio is fairly low. Even if you paid me 50 cents an hour you probably couldn't afford me.

$:-\$

S J Strait · « **Reply #56 on:** May 06, 2009, 08:11:52 PM »

Very nice job! I 've got to say you are a brave man cutting a hole in that new roof . It took me 2 years to get the nerve up to do any mods to my TT. looks great! Have you been camping in the new set up yet? Keep us posted. Thanks for the update.

Ron · « **Reply #57 on:** May 06, 2009, 10:32:31 PM »

Nice job. Looks like you know what you are doing.

Hit The Road Jack · « **Reply #58 on:** May 09, 2009, 09:38:36 AM »

Great job Len!

FTR, you are not the only 'Class B' owner on this forum!

S J Strait · « **Reply #59 on:** May 09, 2009, 02:10:58 PM »

Quote from: Hit The Road Jack on May 09, 2009, 09:38:36 AM

Great job Len!

FTR, you are not the only 'Class B' owner on this forum!

Hey! looks nice any more pics of it.

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