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Smoky

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Re: Need water filter that removes AZ minerals
« Reply #90 on: September 10, 2005, 05:59:06 PM »
So much for Venture Out then.  Ron's place keeps looking better.
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Pat

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Re: Need water filter that removes AZ minerals
« Reply #91 on: September 12, 2005, 12:40:03 AM »
I'm here at VIP.  NO TREES.  The only worry I have is the fluctuating power.  When my air conditioner was running most of today, the incoming voltate was bouncing all over.  Now that the air is off, the power seems to be sticking to 115 incoming volts.  It's as though the post can't deal with something drawing from it.  It was going from 107 to 113 with the compressor on.  That said, my brother's house suffered three outages by the time I left at noon today.  So it doesn't seem isolated to AJ.  He's in Mesa.

I bought a digital multimeter the other day.  I wonder if that would tell me whether there's a problem at the post, or if my air conditioner is driving the supply crazy.  There is a detectable change in the blower speed in the a/c when the voltage fluctuates.

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Jim Dick

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Re: Need water filter that removes AZ minerals
« Reply #92 on: September 12, 2005, 06:52:01 AM »
Pat,

It could be, if you were running your air conditioners, everyone else was running theirs as well. :) That could easily cause some overload problems on the grid if it wasn't adequate. Then of course there's the metropolitan area around you! :)

Jim

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Pat

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Re: Need water filter that removes AZ minerals
« Reply #93 on: September 12, 2005, 11:38:06 PM »
Jim:  Eggzackly.  The park is still almost empty, but I'm right next to the park buildings.  I think it's the metro area, though.  That's why they charge a premium for power between noon and 8pm every day here.  An electrician came out this morning at maybe 10am and pronounced the post just fine.  But when I got home this afternoon, my voltage meter read 102 at one point.  I quickly turned off the air.  Burn my stuff out.  For the two days I've been here, I noticed the meter starts to rise from about 5:30pm, significantly after 6pm, and it's leveled out a bit by 9. 

There's no 110 plug on the post, so I'm going to get an adapter tomorrow that will convert the 30amp to 110.  I have a digital multimeter, but I want to test my 110 digital voltage meter on the post.  I'll plug it in and sit there for a half hour or so in the heat of the afternoon and watch for fluctuations.  I'll have to run the generator to keep the cat alive inside the MH.  Do fridge, a/c, and converter sound about right?  I can't think of anything else using 110.  I don't even turn on the computer or a couple battery rechargers during the day.

I think only 115 comes in from the post.  117 max late at night.  Figure a volt for the converter, 3 for the fridge, and 5 for the a/c.  So when I was showing only 102, the available voltage must have dropped to 110 at best. 

I took the voltage meter to an unoccupied trailer and to an empty lot where the post had a 110 plug, and both registered 115 this afternoon.  Maybe the power to this post is the only one affected.  I also got 115 on a plug outside the rec room.  None of these test sites had anything drawing on them.

If it's an inside problem, any suggestions what it might be?  I had no trouble plugged into the 30amp plug at my brother's yesterday.  The incoming power in Oregon was 120, so I didn't drop below 107; although, I could tell when others were drawing on the grid.  People tend to think the post has all the power for which it is wired. 

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Jim Dick

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Re: Need water filter that removes AZ minerals
« Reply #94 on: September 13, 2005, 12:25:32 AM »
Pat,

Actually your 30amp is 110V. You can check between the hot and neutral and read the same voltage as any 15 or 20 amp outlet. Hot and neutral will be the two flat slots with ground being the round opening. Actually, hot to ground will also give you the same reading. The 110V on the post should give you the same reading almost. :) It's probably on another phase.

Fridge, AC, and converter should not be a problem with good power. 115 to 120 should be about norm. When you get down to 108 it's time to turn off the A/C.  I doubt if the power to your post is the only one affected. If you had no problems at your brother's then I doubt it's your coach. You obviously are aware that, just because a service is wired for 110, you may not really have it!!
Jim

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Pat

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Re: Need water filter that removes AZ minerals
« Reply #95 on: September 13, 2005, 11:50:05 PM »
Jim:  There's no 110 plug on this post.  Just a 30amp and a 50amp.  Both look old.  I bought an adapter today so I can plug my volt meter into the 30amp plug.  The large display is easier to monitor over an hour than a multimeter would be. 

Yesterday voltage dropped to 102.  Today I didn't allow it to drop.  When it gets below 105, I turn off the compressor.  Needless to say, it gets hot in here with just the fan going.   I'm getting a little bored sitting here from noon to about 7pm watching the voltage to keep the appliances from frying and still keep the cat cool.  Fortunately I'll be house sitting in October and then the weather should be cool when I return here for a few months.  I don't actually have to look at the meter.  The air conditioner makes a definite slowing sound when it's losing power. 

I did plug the meter into an empty park model plug and into another power post, and both registered a steady 115 volts in the heat of the afternoon. Interestingly, I experienced a significant 3 to 5 volt increase at 6:18 two evenings in a row now.  It continued to fluctuate at a higher level after that. 

I'm going to post a separate topic asking about the adviseability of an autoformer.  The only discussions I read on the internet tended to be from a group sponsored by CampingWorld - the autoformer vendor.


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Pat

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Re: Need water filter that removes AZ minerals
« Reply #96 on: September 20, 2005, 12:16:01 AM »
Today I bought the Culligan unit at CampingWorld.  It was the only one that even mentioned sediment.  CW had charcoal and white filters, so I bought the white, which was more dense and seems to be associated more with sediment.  The tank came with a charcoal, which I bagged and tossed in a drawer until I find somebody who uses them.  I tried the system from Home Depot, but it require pipes, didn't connect directly to hoses, and said not to use it outside. 

There was an immediate improvement in the taste of the water with this Culligan unit, so I guess it's filtering something.  The system was easy to set up.  They even supplied the teflon tape; although, I keep a roll on hand. 

The filter holder is 3 1/2" in diameter, so I'm going to get a cement block tomorrow and stand the filter holder in one of the block's holes.  I think that will make an adequately stable stand. 

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Smoky

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Re: Need water filter that removes AZ minerals
« Reply #97 on: September 24, 2005, 12:36:10 AM »
Pat:

I decided to wait until i get to AZ to select a filter.  I figured the folks there would know what is best for their area.

I am curious about something though.  My coach came with a 3 1/2 inch diameter filter already installed in the utility bay.  do you think the answer might simply be replacing whatever filter I have (spares purchased from my RV dealer) with the Culligan you purchased?  Wonder if it would fit my filter tank or whatever you call the thingie that the filter goes inside.
Smoky S  Ham radio - W3PY

The magic of a campfire
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the mountains get higher
the hike was uphill both ways
and new friends become old friends

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Re: Need water filter that removes AZ minerals
« Reply #98 on: September 24, 2005, 01:53:41 AM »
Smoky:  Nobody at CampingWorld Mesa knew anything about sediment or Arizona water or much of anything about their filter choices.  You are On Your Own.  Well, I take that back.  They were able to find the aisle with the filters.  Both employees practically ran away when I kept asking which ones filtered the sediment and chemicals from Arizona water.  I took the Culligan because it had the word "sediment" listed in the things it filters.  This assumes, though, that you dump the black carbon filter supplied with the cartridge and buy the denser white filters.  I found little help at Home Depot also, and, in fact, their stuff says it's not for outdoor use.  You find that out after you make the purchase, take the item home, because the pamphlet is inside the cartridge wrapped in the package.

I feel at least I have something on there to protect the plumbing.  I went back to buying bottled water for the cat (hey, she doesn't like Gatoraid like I do).

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Ron

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Re: Need water filter that removes AZ minerals
« Reply #99 on: September 24, 2005, 09:06:10 AM »
Smoky,

I think the filter you already have will do the job and if you want I am almost positive a filter cartridge like I showed you will fit in your filter.
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Jim Godward

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Re: Need water filter that removes AZ minerals
« Reply #100 on: September 25, 2005, 12:19:21 AM »
Pat,

I have found the "Water Packer" at QZ to be knowledgeable and helpful on the subject.  You might try a search or try this URL,  http://www.rvwaterfilterstore.com/
Jim
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BernieD

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Re: Need water filter that removes AZ minerals
« Reply #101 on: September 25, 2005, 09:53:32 AM »
Pat

I really don't want to beat a dead horse with this issue, but as I explained previously your solution is very simple. We have lived in the Phoenix area for 7 years now. We installed a whole house water filter the day we moved in. We drink water straight from the taps and it tastes as good as anything you pay for in the stores. I know you prefer to spend the money on bottled water, but that is your choice. After 7 years we have no crud on our shower heads and no buildup in the water lines. I use the water right from the faucet to brew coffee and only the change in the beans that I use is noticeable.

You can get the same equivalent setup from the Water Packer or the Water Store, both are vendors at RV conventions and both have displays at QZ, also both have web sites. Both do an excellent of explaining and selling. I got my setup from the Water Store before I met Lowell of Water Packer but I would trust both. I have a 2 "can" filter setup; the first has a sediment filter ($2.50), the second the KDF filter ($30, good for 2 years, same material as in my house filter). My coach water lines are clean, my sprayers/shower heads are clean and I save a lot of money by not having to buy bottled water.
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Re: Need water filter that removes AZ minerals
« Reply #102 on: September 25, 2005, 03:07:13 PM »
Bernie:  Agreed.  My Culligan solution is temporary, but I wanted to get something on there before I was here too long.  Water seems to taste ok, but cats are weird, so I buy her bottled water.  Who knows what she can taste.  I think cats refuse to drink just out of spite. 

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Smoky

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Re: Need water filter that removes AZ minerals
« Reply #103 on: September 26, 2005, 06:55:14 AM »
<slapping side of head for not thinking to have Ron inspect my coach filter while i had the chance>

Ron, maybe we will reach your campground this winter  or at least QZ.  BTW I will let you know what the results are when we do ourt first satellite check outside the mountains.  FWIW still getting the 8L8 message, though I know we will not have a line of sight until we get out of here.  Leaving this morning.  We will miss you at Boise as we are headed over to Interstate 15 via 90 from Missoula.
Smoky S  Ham radio - W3PY

The magic of a campfire
where the fish get bigger
the mountains get higher
the hike was uphill both ways
and new friends become old friends

2005 KSDP3910 Newmar Kountry Star
Toad - Taurus wagon w/ axle lock
On our way to the Poudre River in Colorado for the summer!

Ron

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Re: Need water filter that removes AZ minerals
« Reply #104 on: September 26, 2005, 10:09:14 AM »
Smoky,

I saw your filter and I think the cartridge I showed you will fit just fine.  Those cartridges are available at Home Depot, Wal-mart, Ace hardwar, and most any similar store.

How long will you be in West Yellowstone?
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Pat

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Re: Need water filter that removes AZ minerals
« Reply #105 on: September 28, 2005, 11:15:41 PM »
AKbirds:  Finally tonight it's 74 and dropping.  The Fantastic Vent is bringing in a nice cool breeze.  I've been here in Apache Junction since Sept 10, and this is probably the first nice night.  Hope this continues.  This afternoon was HOT.  97 or so.

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