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Is my basement area heated?
« on: December 12, 2008, 04:00:18 PM »
Hi, I own a 2006 Voyage 35A, and my water pump is on one side of my motorhome, and the sewer compartment is on the other side.  I have installed remote thermometers in both compartments, and for the life of me I can't get the temperatures to move up or change when I run the furnace.

I have heard that these basement areas are heated, but I sure can't feel any hot air or see anything.   Are these areas heated by the furnace?   ???
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Re: Is my basement area heated?
« Reply #1 on: December 12, 2008, 04:19:26 PM »
I want to add that I have insulated both compartment insides with that aluminum faced bubble wrap stuff, and hang trouble lights in both compartments when the temps are below 25 degrees or so.

I just can't trust that the furnace heats those areas!  ???
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Re: Is my basement area heated?
« Reply #2 on: December 12, 2008, 08:43:39 PM »
I cannot respond with a 100% confirmation, however, I have studied the schematics for my Sightseer (35J) online and I believe there is a section of most A class winnie's that are heated, but the entire basement area is definitely NOT heated.  There is a channel between the frame rails that runs from behind the door down to the wet bay that contains the gray water tank, all sewage lines and freshwater lines.  This compartment is sealed and contains the furnace and air vents for the hot air.  What I cannot determine is whether hot air is actually supplied to these areas, or whether it is simply warmed by the warm air vents running through the compartment.  The wet bay and black water tank are NOT inside this compartment on my sightseer, so it appears that even if this compartment is heated, the black water tank and drain pipes from both the black and gray tanks are exposed to external temperatures.

I cannot confirm this is the same on your voyage, but winnebago seems to share much of it's A-class design "infrastructure" across lines based on what I have seen.
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Re: Is my basement area heated?
« Reply #3 on: December 12, 2008, 09:50:08 PM »
Hi FrontRangerRVer,

I didn't think my water/sewer bay was heated either until I got my head inside and actully looked up and to the rear.  It does appear that a heating duct drops down into the top of the bay.  I have been is some pretty cold places the last few months, temps down into the single digits. But I have never experienced a freeze up. Whatever it is it must be working.......

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Re: Is my basement area heated?
« Reply #4 on: December 12, 2008, 09:54:42 PM »
FR,
I see you are also inquiring as to whether these areas are heated. I look forward to the replies. Thanks for inviting me to the Forum.
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Re: Is my basement area heated?
« Reply #5 on: December 12, 2008, 09:59:51 PM »
Mark - our compartments (mine does, not sure about yours) do get some benefit of the furnace, but even at that my plumbing bay is very susceptible to really cold ( < 25 degrees) weather due to the spun plastic compartment and no insulation.  I had some leftover fiberglass insulation from my shop construction which I keep at the ready for cold weather here at the ranch.  I'll also break out a drop light.  Fortunately I only have one compartment to be concerned with.

You might want to consider fibreglass and not plastic bubble wrap if you are going to use heat for the sake of safety.

You could give Winnie owner relations a call next week - they should be able to help.
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Re: Is my basement area heated?
« Reply #6 on: December 13, 2008, 07:07:14 AM »
Thanks for the responses guys.  I know Frank (above) has the same concern, and we have been talking about insulating both areas, as neither of us are sure that these areas are heated.  Winnebago told me a couple of years ago that basements are heated, and I believe they changed the process going from a small ducted hose to drilling a couple of holes in the heat duct. 

John, did you cut out a "block" of the pink stuff and lay it in the bottom of the sewer area?
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Re: Is my basement area heated?
« Reply #7 on: December 13, 2008, 07:19:50 AM »
....John, did you cut out a "block" of the pink stuff and lay it in the bottom of the sewer area?
Mark - yes - that's the idea.  The insulation looks to be about ~R6-9 or so and has a plastic facing on one side.  It was used to insulate the metal building I had built for the shop/RV port.  It has stood up well to repeated handling, at least so far.

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Re: Is my basement area heated?
« Reply #8 on: December 13, 2008, 09:51:21 AM »
My Sightseer 35N has two or three inch diameter holes cut in the bottom of the duct -under the registers - in the bedroom and in the bathroom. There may also be one in the duct beside the dinette. Some heat does get into the compartment containing the water and waste tanks.

A Winnebago customer service guy told me that my coach should be good down to 20 degrees with the furnace set at 72 degrees. We set the heat at 50 degrees at night so I added a GFI outlet in the service bay and use a small 1500 watt electric heater set at 45 degrees to get heat into both the service bay and the tank compartment which is open to the bay.
I have overnighted down to 9 degrees with this setup with no problem.
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Re: Is my basement area heated?
« Reply #9 on: December 13, 2008, 09:58:39 AM »
Gosh Clay!  I didn't know you were over here!  Good to see you.

Thanks for the response.  I removed a couple of the floor registers and looked down them the best I could with a flashlight, but couldnt see the holes, and can't see any "light" coming from the metal duct work.

To be honest with you...if we had to run our furnace at 72 degrees...we would burn up.  I/we prefer inside temps at low/mid 60s daytime and near 60 at night...I will probably run a small electric heater inside and when the temps drop, the furnace should kick on.

We are going to Breckenridge (Colorado...near us actually), for the week of Christmas, and the high temps are low/mid 20s with lower single digits at night.....I'll let everyone know what freezes!
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Re: Is my basement area heated?
« Reply #10 on: December 14, 2008, 09:22:29 AM »
Mark,
I am with you as to how I manage my heat. I have yet to even turn on the Gas Heater except during the PDI. We have camped when the temps dropped down into the thirties so have not been in the freezing temps yet. I usually get up first and turn on the heat pump which quickly gets the temps into the fifties to near sixty where I set it to turn off.
I like Clays idea of installing an outlet in the service bay and then running a small space heater or a drop light that could run off one of those electrical plugs that have a built in thermostat. Could do the same for the water bay under the kitchen in addition to insulating as you suggested. All this will be a next spring project for me.
BTW - aren't you being a little optimistic about temps in Breck during Christmas week. Those sound like temps we will see here. You could easily see sub zero at night. Hope your coach is well prepared along with you and your family. It should be great spending the week during Christmas at the slopes. Definitely something I have always wanted to do but can't get the DW interested.
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Re: Is my basement area heated?
« Reply #11 on: December 14, 2008, 10:00:27 AM »
Here is my mod that fixed the water compartment freeze problem.  I installed an electrical outlet in the water compartment.  I plugged a digital temperature activated switch into the outlet and a 60 watt light bulb.  When the temp drops to 39 degrees, the light comes on and heats the compartment.  It works great.  Here are photos:


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Re: Is my basement area heated?
« Reply #12 on: December 14, 2008, 01:12:31 PM »
LK23,
Where did you tap into the 110 and then how did you snake the wire into the Service Bay? I like your setup.
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Re: Is my basement area heated?
« Reply #13 on: December 14, 2008, 01:16:32 PM »
Here is my mod that fixed the water compartment freeze problem.  I installed an electrical outlet in the water compartment.  I plugged a digital temperature activated switch into the outlet and a 60 watt light bulb.  When the temp drops to 39 degrees, the light comes on and heats the compartment.  It works great.  Here are photos:
Hi Rex - it's great to see you over here  ;D  Nice mod to that compartment - you have almost shamed me into shamelessly copying your idea  8)
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Re: Is my basement area heated?
« Reply #14 on: December 14, 2008, 09:40:54 PM »
More info on my Mod for the water compartment:

To install the 110 volt receptacle I tapped into the 110 volt outlet on the opposite side of the coach, near the basement entertainment center.  I ran 12/2 w. ground outdoor romex cable through the storage compartment and out a hole I drilled in the back wall of the storage compartment wall to allow the cable to run behind the water compartment.  I drilled a hold in the back of the water compartment and pulled the cable through.  Then I mounted the 110 volt receptacle on the back wall of the water compartment.  It was a fairly easy install once I determined where to run the cable.

A shorter version:  I found the nearest 110 volt outlet to tap into and ran the 12/2 cable to the back of the storage compartment.
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Re: Is my basement area heated?
« Reply #15 on: December 16, 2008, 10:15:05 AM »
Hi Rex - it's great to see you over here  ;D  Nice mod to that compartment - you have almost shamed me into shamelessly copying your idea  8)

Sounds like I will have some work to do in the Spring....another shameless copy! 

Thanks Rex for the pictures.
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Re: Is my basement area heated?
« Reply #16 on: December 16, 2008, 05:23:29 PM »
I plugged a digital temperature activated switch into the outlet and a 60 watt light bulb. 

Where might a person purchase a similar item?
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Re: Is my basement area heated?
« Reply #17 on: December 16, 2008, 07:23:56 PM »
Gee, I thought you would never ask.  I bought mine at Ace Harware online ordering.  Here is the link:

Lux Programmable Thermostat

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Re: Is my basement area heated?
« Reply #18 on: December 17, 2008, 08:25:25 AM »
Gee, I thought you would never ask.  I bought mine at Ace Harware online ordering.  Here is the link:
Lux Programmable Thermostat

Thanks. I could use several of these.
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Re: Is my basement area heated?
« Reply #19 on: December 17, 2008, 09:02:09 AM »
Here is one just designed for anti-freeze use

In fact I'll give two links.. On the second one look for the YELLOW product, that's like the one I use

Thermo Cube

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Re: Is my basement area heated?
« Reply #20 on: December 17, 2008, 09:24:18 AM »
I tried the Thermo Cube first and found it left the light on in warm weather.  Then I got the programmable Lux and found it works much better.
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Re: Is my basement area heated?
« Reply #21 on: December 17, 2008, 01:24:15 PM »
>I tried the Thermo Cube first and found it left the light on in warm weather<<

I've used  two of them in my coach for almost ten years with no problems.

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Re: Is my basement area heated?
« Reply #22 on: December 17, 2008, 03:55:57 PM »
Hi Terry - last I saw you guys was Haines I think...
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Re: Is my basement area heated?
« Reply #23 on: December 17, 2008, 06:20:22 PM »
John

>Hi Terry - last I saw you guys was Haines I think...<<

Yes ...it was that park overlooking the water, terrible weather as usual.<G>

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Re: Is my basement area heated?
« Reply #24 on: December 17, 2008, 07:53:13 PM »
Had a friend that used a Thermo Cube when ever they left the house for awhile in the winter. He had a lamp in the window plugged into it. He got one of those buttons that you put under a light bulb when you screw it in to make it flash. He let the neighbors know that if they saw the lamp flashing in the window to call him.

That told him that something was wrong with the heat in the house and he could call a friend to go over and check it out.
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« Reply #25 on: December 17, 2008, 07:59:56 PM »
That's a clever idea! 
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Re: Is my basement area heated?
« Reply #26 on: December 17, 2008, 08:54:54 PM »
That would work and would help insure one didn't return to water all over due to frozen and broken pipes.
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Re: Is my basement area heated?
« Reply #27 on: December 21, 2008, 07:19:44 PM »
We have a 1996 34RQ and the main furnace duct runs almost the intire length of the coach in the basement area. We have  had no problems with temps so far down to 6 above zero. The only thing I do is turn on a 60 watt bulb in the dump bay when temps get below 25 or so as I have had problems with the water in the bathroom, it runs through that bay which is not sealed off from the outside world like the rest are. Right now its 15 outside and the dump bay is 45 degrees. The major downside is the 90 pounds od propane we burn per week. I guess you could melt the north pole is you threw enough propane at it.
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« Reply #28 on: December 21, 2008, 08:18:03 PM »
In freezing weather, our furnace was running at a 50% duty cycle (30 minutes out of every hour) for about 72 degrees room temp and our propane would last about 10-14 days.
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Re: Is my basement area heated?
« Reply #29 on: January 05, 2009, 08:39:27 AM »
I just wanted to respond back to my original post and say that I seriously doubt that my holding tank area and the water pump area (in different areas....on opposite sides of the coach) are heated.   ::)

I used an electric heaters set on the 600 watt level to warm both areas, as I didn't trust my trouble light scenario or setup.

The temps encountered were single digits all 5 nights, and the holding areas were steady at mid 30s with the heaters at those outside ambient temperatures.  ::)

If Winnie had an "insulation" upgrade, I believe there would be LOTS of interest in a true 3/4 season motorhome, as it is my opinion that our unit is a 2 Season unit at best.

EDIT:  HEADS UP FRANKO!!  (has the same unit as I do)
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