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WalMart campground?
« on: September 09, 2005, 09:11:19 PM »
We have never stayed in a Walmart parking lot, rest area or truck stop.  We've always dropped the 20 or so bucks per night on a campground, even if it is just passing through.  Truck stops are always so noisy and rest areas scare me after dark.  Plus, I have noticed that a lot of them do not allow camping or parking for over 8 hours.  Not to say that doesn't mean you couldn't 'park' there lot enough to catch a night's sleep, we just don't do it.  There's something about a Walmart parking lot that scares me too.  I'd do it in a pinch, over a rest area or truck stop, but not unless I had no choice.  I've seen plenty of folks do it, just not for me.  Take note though, there are some Walmarts that do NOT allow overnight camping and you will find signs stating so on their lightposts.

And excellent point about rolling out the awning and the chairs and unhooking the tow vehicle.  It should be a stopover, not a campout.

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« Reply #1 on: September 09, 2005, 09:43:07 PM »
I am not aware of any Wal-Mart that will not allow overnight stays unless local ordinances, usually prompted by the local campgrounds through their association and affinity group, forbid it.  I strongly support boycotting campgrounds in any area that have such ordinances.
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« Reply #2 on: September 09, 2005, 10:36:36 PM »
I strongly support boycotting campgrounds in any area that have such ordinances.

I guess I don't share that view Ron. Like WalMart or any other business, campgrounds need to make money to survive. Boycotting CGs in an area that has such an ordinance merely helps to drive CGs out of business and that can only hurt RVers. Why strongly support anything that can hurt RVers?

Personally, I don't stay overnight at a WalMart and just have to shake my head when I see RVers staking out their spots in a WM parking lot in the middle of the day and they're still there the middle of the following day.
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« Reply #3 on: September 09, 2005, 10:50:53 PM »
We don't normally overnight at Wal-Marts or such but there have been a few  occassions that there was a choice of driving on when we were tired of park somewhere and no campground was available.  Less than 4or 5 occassions since 1998.

However I strongly oppose any business that pushes to have ordinances passed that would force me to their place of business.  I not only support boycotting I have been known to contact them and let them know my position.  I don't really believe a good campground is going to be hurt in by a few RVers overnighting someplace other than their campground.  There are some campgrounds that are so poor boondocking somewhere is a plus in comparison.

As for those that spent more than one night in a parking lot or set up their Awnings etc I do not approve of that either.
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« Reply #4 on: September 09, 2005, 10:59:42 PM »
However I strongly oppose any business that pushes to have ordinances passed that would force me to their place of business.

If a city or town has an odinance banning overnight in parking lots, how would you know it was the result of a campground pushing to have the ordinance passed? I know of a number of places with such ordinances and there are no CGs in the same city.
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« Reply #5 on: September 10, 2005, 08:14:21 AM »
I agree, how would you know that the campground had anything to do with getting the ordinance passed?  It could very well have been in place before the campground was even in existence.

One place I do believe seeing no camping signs was the Walmart in Ludington, Michigan.  It has been a while, but I am pretty sure it was one of the places.  It is pretty touristy, and the parks fill up quick, so I think the probably had to do it our their lot would be full!

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« Reply #6 on: September 10, 2005, 09:32:39 AM »
First of all I may not even be aware such an ordinance exists since we don't normally even attempt to park overnight in a Wal-Mart.  However, like Billings, MT I found out because the subject came up while talking to a local.  A call to city hall confirmed the ordinance exists and was prompted by a campground owners association.  I know Cheyenne's ordinance was also prompted by by the campgrounds owners Association because we have several Friends there.  When I become aware of such campground actions then they are on my boycott list. 
Some times participation can be confirmed with a simple call to the campground.
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« Reply #7 on: September 10, 2005, 05:06:35 PM »
One thing you need to do when boycotting a campground is LET THEM KNOW WHY.. I do this with some stores espically at Christmas time... I have two stores where I make a point of not shopping during the "Bell Ringing" season (Salvation Army bell ringers) and I make sure I let the store know why (They won't let the bell ringers on property... I have a Christmas story, it involves a bell ringer, best Christmas I'd have in many, many, years)


Wal-Mart has a web site that lets you know if you can park there (or someone does) overnight, and you can, and should (As has been previously noted in this thread) check with the store manager before overnighting.  If there is an ordance odds are the manager can tell you why he refused, the ordiance will be "Dated" if you go look it up and it may be possible to get minutes of the city council or whatever it's called meeting and see who spoke for and against.

That's if you wish to go that far
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« Reply #8 on: September 10, 2005, 05:55:55 PM »
I prefer to have the option of a campground in a location than have the CG shut down because of some organized boycott against them in favor of parking at Wal*Mart. Not being able to stay at either one doesn't do me much good if I need a place to stay for the night  ;D
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« Reply #9 on: September 10, 2005, 07:06:43 PM »
I am an inveterate (sp?) Wal-Mart parker and not the least ashamed to say it.  Pulling into a campground when on a long haul is just too much trouble.  I am not going to use a campground unless I can stay there for two or more days, preferably three.  I would not boycott a campground but I am very put off by the ones who do not understand the usefulness of long haul parking at Wal-Mart.  When I pull into a Wal-Mart I am dead tired and on the move.  Don't want to fool with hookups or tricky maneuvers.  Just want to run into WM, replenish my supplies, sometimes walk to a nearby restaurant, and then hit the hay for an early start next morning.

As always I obey public parking etiquette, not wanting to ruin this necessary and beneficial privilege given to us by the WM company.

Long live WM!

BTW, you will generally meet a great class of folks on a WM parking lot.  Most of them are long haulers with interesting tales of far off places.
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« Reply #10 on: September 10, 2005, 08:37:04 PM »
Mike and I often stop overnight at Wal-Marts. We never stay more than one night and we stop there because we don't need hookups, we can't see paying $25 or more just to park, and often we're just plain tired and need a place to sleep. Not everyone can afford $25+ per night for a campground, not everyone needs hookups, not everyone wants to be in a campground just to sleep. And we've always felt safe in the WM lots as opposed to some truck stops and rest stops which were noisy and unsafe.

Cortez happens to be one of the places where you cannot stop for the night in the local Wal-Mart parking lot. The campground owners pushed through a city ordinance forbidding overnight parking at Wal-Mart because, they claim, there's a health hazard (?????). My belief is that this has hurt the city because the people who would stop in the Wal-Mart (and coincidentally shop there and pay city sales tax) will not stop here if they can't park in the WM lot. They will NOT stay in the local $25+ campgrounds. They'll continue on to the next town that DOES allow parking in the WM lot. So the campgrounds don't get the customers they think they'll get and the city loses out on some sales tax revenue.

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« Reply #11 on: September 10, 2005, 09:39:20 PM »
If I can't afford a night in a campground I'll sell the coach rather than hop from WM to WM pretending to be a shopper. It's just not my style of camping. Besides, how much stuff could I buy at different WM stores on consecutive days?

There are plenty of legitimate CGs that are reasonably/lower priced, some even free, and are far nicer places to stay at.
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« Reply #12 on: September 11, 2005, 09:50:20 AM »
If I can't afford a night in a campground I'll sell the coach rather than hop from WM to WM pretending to be a shopper. It's just not my style of camping. Besides, how much stuff could I buy at different WM stores on consecutive days?

There are plenty of legitimate CGs that are reasonably/lower priced, some even free, and are far nicer places to stay at.

The problem Tom, is sometimes you are just stopping for the night (or day) cause you are too tired to go on and the wal-mart is right there

The one time I stopped in a wal-mart lot (only for a few minutes) trust me, the stop had to be done and NOW (Like I said, just a few minutes, not even worth shutting the engine off for.. but when you gotta stop, you gotta stop)

I do agree, if I'm going to stop, use the shower, (Facility shower, not rig's) plug in, hook up and all that.. A campground

But if it's just cause I'm starting to think I should take a few hours off the road and go horozintal,  Well, any parking lot capable of holding the MH without damage is a good place.
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« Reply #13 on: September 11, 2005, 10:35:13 AM »
The problem Tom, is sometimes you are just stopping for the night (or day) cause you are too tired to go on and the wal-mart is right there

Understood John and I have no issue with folks doing that. It's just not for me. Yesterday we were on a long run and felt we were too tired to safely go on, so we stopped at a campground that was closer than the nearest WalMart.

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The one time I stopped in a wal-mart lot (only for a few minutes)

I've done that myself John and not just at WalMart. I made several "gotta go now" stops at rest areas just yesterday. But I wouldn't stay overnight at any of them.

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Well, any parking lot capable of holding the MH without damage is a good place.

Each to his own John. Although some folks think I have something against WalMart, my real concern is safety. If I'm passing through a strange town, I really have no idea if the WalMart I see is in a safe place or not. A few times my other half has said "let's just pull over into that WalMart for the night" and I've said "no, we'll find a CG".
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« Reply #14 on: September 11, 2005, 12:30:08 PM »
I am pretty sure that Judy Barns has no first hand  knowledge of such infractions.  Should I ever see an RVer comminting the infractions she mentioned I would be the first to report them, aaa maybe the second if you beat me to it.  Judy Barns has basically accused you me and any other Escapee of committing these infractions.  I point out accused but no proof. As for us even though she has accused us we know we haven't committed such acts.
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« Reply #15 on: September 11, 2005, 12:42:08 PM »
In all my travels I have ignored ordinance postings at WM.

You are a braver man than I Smoky. We once overnighted near a marina where I was "working" an event when our boat club brought 80 boats into the marina for the weekend (all paid their dues of course). At 2.00am I awoke to a loud rapping on the door of the coach and a bright light shining through the blinds. I knew this had to be the local police and decided to lay there quietly, pretending nobody was home. Right then Chris awoke yelling "someone's at the door".

Standing there half awake in my PJs, I tried explaining to the officer "we're with those boats over there", but he just said "move on, we don't allow RV camping here". At 2.30am we took a room in the Marriott at the marina and put the coach in their parking lot, with permission of course. This episode probably contributes to my reluctance to stay at places like WM.

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...ask permission from the manager. It has ALWAYS been granted, though they advise me of the ordinance and give me helpful suggestions to deal with it.

I'm curious, what kind of advice do they give you Smoky?
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« Reply #16 on: September 12, 2005, 01:48:39 AM »
Tom:

I should have been more clear, sorry.  It is only the ordinances at WM I ignore.  Though I always check with the store manager first.

As for advice, it has been varied, but always emphasizes that WM themselves are opposed to such ordinances and the rest usually has to do with the specifics of the local situation.

Last time this happened we were in on this trip in eastern Wyoming (or was it western SD, not sure) and there was a posting on some of the light poles. 

Upon visiting the store manager, he explained that this was brought about by the local Yogi Bear campground over staunch opposition of WM.  He said that the police seldom enforced it and usually only when an RV was there longer than 24 hours.  He also said we should insist we were very tired, if they knocked, and even hint at engine troubles.  But he said it was VERY unlikely anyone would  bother us.  His only request was that we park at the rear of the lot, which we already had.

He added the owner of the campground would occasionally drive by and make a list of those RVs parked there.  This is similar to the kinds of comments and advice I have received from other WM store managers.  All of them had a smile on their face, almost like it is some sort of game with nutty campground owners.  I realize I am only getting one side of the story, but it does not appear that the ordinance signs are much more than a scare tactic.  At least on WM grounds.

I would likely have ignored his advice about fibbing, and simply moved on had the police chose to enforce it and knocked on my door.  I am  always VERY compliant when police are involved.   If the police think it is a serious matter, then I will be polite and take it seriously and move on. 

My main point in this thread is that the whole thing is pretty much overblown, and unless people are uncomfortable, they should do what they feel they need or want to do as long as they follow etiquette.

In three years of WMing on long haul legs I have never had a problem.  I don’t worry about it.
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« Reply #17 on: September 12, 2005, 03:08:25 AM »
Thanks for that explanation Smoky. Interesting that WM would actively encourage ignoring a local ordinance.
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« Reply #18 on: September 12, 2005, 05:43:49 AM »
I can't speak for every state as truly I don't know... But Michigan I do know.

The parking lot of a Wal-Mart is PRIVATE PROPERTY, now, police can enter private property w/o permission of the owner or his authorized agent (in this case the store manager) for a number of reasons.

1: If they are shopping wal-mart
2: If they are in "hot pursuit" of someone who runs across said property
3: If they observe a Felony in progress
4: If they observe a fire on the property
5: Only as far as is required to request permission
7: To perform a property inspection for ordance compliance (This however affects the property owner, not you the parker)
8: In some cases handicapped parking rules are well written and allow the officer to ticket on private property
9: With a warrant

Oh yes, there are other reasons not listed here, but basically not one of them apply to a parking violation

So, the only way, here in Michigan, they could ticket you at 3am on a Sunday would be to get a judge out of bed to sign a warrant.  For a parking ticket, likely about $100... Trust me.. They are not going to do that... (If they tried it might well be 3am NEXT Sunday monring, long after you have moved on, that they get back to that parking lot)


They can not enforce parking regulations on private property WITHOUT THE Store Manager Requesting they do so.

They also can not enforce stop signs and other traffic regulations on private property without the manager's request

The greatest danger would be some jerk parks a big SUV right in front of the store's front doors, and the manager calls to get him ticketed or towed... And the officer takes the invite to include your rig... In my years of working in retail,  I have observed many such jerks parked right in front of the store, in the very clearly marked fire lane... NOT ONE TIME did the manager call.  In my years (25) as a police dispatcher, We only got calls if the car was there for many hours (Like 2 or 3 days) or if the owner of the car was someone the store owner wished to run off (this happened fairly often)   In my 3 years as a tow truck dispatcher the illegal parker has to be very bold in order to get towed.

And finally... if your rig is properly parked, and you don't drop the jacks or put out the awning or lawn chairs... How is the officer to know you are not just shopping... I mean.. If I was overnighting at a Wal-Mart I would put out one slide (the bed) but If I was buying Toilet Paper I'd put that slide out as well cause the main bathroom is on the far side of the bed and it's either put out the slide or climb over

(NOTE: in all cases another employee can step in for the manger,,, However with wall mart the employees serve at the pleasure of the next person up the corporate ladder, the top rung at the store is the on-duty manager and any employee who called the cops on you (other than he) would be in a world of unplesentness when the manager found out)

Now... A passing campground manager can write down your license plate... but only the store manager can request enforcement

Of course the city can fine Wal-Mart for allowing ... but how many ordiances are written to allow that? (Likely zero)

Let me see if I can get lucky with Detroit (Alas, I'm on the cell connection at this time and it's not fast enough to load the Municiple Codes.. Will have to grab them when I'm on DSL)  Of course there are ano wall Marts in Detroit at this time

I know Detroit has an ordance against a campsight within 10 feet of the curb (or some other arburtary distance) as I recall reading it on a trip to find out just what ordance they claimed I had violated once (Turns out I was not in violation)
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« Reply #19 on: September 14, 2005, 07:07:55 AM »
Tom:

I think Detroit John may be on to the reason. 

My take is that WM wants very much to be RV friendly, and sees the campground owners that get ordinances passed as being somewhat paranoid and getting their nose into WM's business.  There is certainly no love lost between WM managers and campground owners who fuss with the WM parking lot.  I have a LOT of admiration and loyalty to WM, so I think their efforts do indeed pay off for their business in terms of repeat RV business..

Heck, if I were a CG owner, I would go make friends with the local WM managers and ask permission to post flyers advertising my CG on the RV windows.  It would be a friendly message welcoming them to the area, and suggesting if they plan {edit} to stay for awhile, that we have great hookups and amenities and to drop on by for a look-see.  I would add a comment that if they were just passing through, that maybe the next time they might want to stay awhile and visit the local attractions, which I would list.  I think any RVer receiving a message like this would feel good about BOTH the CG and WM!   I would certainly remember that CG and make a note of them!

IMO, adversarial approaches seldom pay off.
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« Reply #20 on: September 14, 2005, 07:48:01 AM »
You know, as I got to thinking about this more, and seeing all the interesting posts and thoughts on all this, it dawned on me that in all the WM parking lots around San Antonio, and even others where I've been primarily in Texas, rarely do I ever see more than one or two RV's in a WM parking lot.  Rarely.  Now granted, I don't make a habit of always looking, but really, those big rigs are kinda hard to miss!  Anyway, my point is, if the local CG's are really concerned about missing out on one or two folks just passing through, I think they have more problems than they're willing to admit to.  And I really agree with Smoky's assessment to have the local CG's get friendly with the WM's.  Heck, that's what this whole RVing thing is all about...being friendly and meeting new and different people.  As the old saying goes...why can't we just all be friends!?!? :D :D
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« Reply #21 on: September 14, 2005, 07:49:08 AM »
Interesting perspective Smoky. You and John may well be right about the reason, although I'm surprised that WM would want to alienate local small businesses.

One thing I believe WM could do for RVers would be to carry a better selection of their so-called "RV supplies", including some better quality items. Lacking a Camping World, which are few and far between, I've frequently popped into WM looking for something and came away disappointed. Although the selection/inventory varies by store location, they typically carry just a few of the cheapest/low quality items. Heck, they even quit carrying ProtectAll a few years ago.

As a comparison, in the boating world that I know you're very familiar with, WM sells 3M polishing compound at half the West Marine price, although they'll only have a couple of bottles on the shelf. So I buy their shelf stock and take the receipt to West Marine where they have a larger stock of the same product and they match prices.
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« Reply #22 on: September 17, 2005, 09:01:35 PM »
Interesting discussion.  I saw another topic concerning staying in an "RV Resort" vs. a woodsy campground.  Seems it received the same type of discussion.  In other words, RVing is truly different strokes for different folks.:D

Now, for my 2 cents worth.  I live in an area that is not a tourist area and there are very few (make that no) campgrounds in the area.  Wal-Mart has been trying to build a store in a very affluent and growing area near an interstate bypass loop for over a  year.. with the nearby homeowners fighting it tooth and nail.  The zoning adjustment board meetings have become pretty wild, and have resulted in law suites on both sides.  One of the key items the homeowners association is demanding from the zoning adjustment board if they do grant the permits, is no overnite parking.  According to the homeowners, overnite parking is a breeding ground for crime and drugs. 

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« Reply #23 on: September 18, 2005, 10:29:51 AM »
Tom:

"Although I'm surprised that WM would want to alienate local small businesses. "

How does this happen?  CGs I can see being alienated. 

However, the other small businesses at the mall benefit just as WM does.  We not only shop WM, but hit Radio Shack, Best Buy, restaurants, Home Depot, and many others as needed.  None of them have ever shown alienation and we often chat with them about our MH and travels, with the MH in plain sight.  In Ohio, at Ace Hardware, the entire store turned out, both employees and customers, to take tours through our MH while we were buying hardware there the day we left to head west for Ron [edit].

As for carrying a better selection of RV supplies, remember WM is not a Boating World nor do they pretend to be.  They are not an RV store like Camping World.  How many kinds of RV toilet papers are there anyway?  WM simply supplies the emergency basics.  I think they do a better job than most small campgrounds (but not all) on RV supplies.  But I admit they do not carry the broad line of marine stores and RV stores.

As for crime?  Gee whiz.  I have yet to read about crime at the interstate WMs, but I guess it has happened.  With their WM patrol cars, cameras on the light poles, etc, they are exceedingly safe places to be.

This subject ALWAYS makes interesting discussion on more forums than just ours. 

All I can comment is on our own first hand observations.  My Admiral was very opposed to stopping at WMs when we started out.  Now she examines the WM Atlas each day on our long hauls and struggles over which WM would be the most convenient and interesting stop.  We are developing our own list of WMs, that had the best scenery, the most convenient surrounding stores, the easiest access, and the most interesting fellow travelers.

I think maybe one thing that has turned off some of the anti WM people is the DVD published by a Montana Public radio station entitled “This is nowhere." 

My wife and I love that DVD and play it often.  Just last night we were relating to our RV visitors from McCall Idaho who are visiting here in Kalispell with us about this thread on the forum.  That led to putting on the DVD and we had a hoot watching it once again.

The thing about that show is that the TV producer did a really good job of capturing both the good and the bad about WM overnight stays.  And yes there were a couple etiquette infractions.  The worst was the redneck guy who hated cops and who got out his ATV and ran it all over the WM parking lot and even over the grassed in areas just to show off to the camera.  And there was another couple sitting in their lawn chairs with all kinds of junk set up.  But then also there were the motorhomes with no stuff out, and the people being interviewed either inside their coach or simply standing outside their coach.  The purpose of the DVD was not to preach etiquette or editorialize about it but just simply show an interesting subculture that most people do not even know about.

I fear that the most memorable (and sometimes funniest) parts of the DVD were the bad parts, and I worry that people who never really stay at WMs likely are overly influenced by the only image they have, coming from sources like this DVD.

At any rate, a simply fascinating sub culture of RV life!   :D  We see nothing to get overly serious about, and like I said before, everyone can make their own decision on these matters and keep on enjoying the good life of RVing.  I sincerely doubt if our enjoyment of a WM stop is every going to affect anyone here on the forum in any way at all.
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Re: WalMart campground?
« Reply #24 on: September 18, 2005, 11:23:57 AM »
Smoky

I think you misundertood several parts of my message, or maybe read more into them that I intended. I'll try to clarify:

"Although I'm surprised that WM would want to alienate local small businesses. " How does this happen? CGs I can see being alienated.

Campgrounds were all that I was talking about when referring to local small businesses in the context of that message and the one it was replying to.

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As for carrying a better selection of RV supplies, remember WM is not a Boating World nor do they pretend to be. They are not an RV store like Camping World. How many kinds of RV toilet papers are there anyway?.

But the RV supplies they carry are usually the junk ones, or close to them. An example is the sewer hose(s). No choice of better ones like Rhino. I'd shop for a lot more RV supplies at WM if they carried better products or had a broader selection. It's well over an hour drive from here to the nearest Camping World and I'd much prefer to pop over to the local WM store if they had what I need. Similar story if we're on the road. Just a week ago I needed some "RV stuff", the nearest CW was 2 hours away and there was a local WM that didn't have what I wanted or had an inferior product.

We don't use "RV toilet paper", for all the reasons discussed here in the past, so that's not what I'm talking about

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As for crime? Gee whiz. I have yet to read about crime at the interstate WMs. ....All I can 's comment is on our own first hand observations.

I've not challenged or questioned your first hand experience and it's clearly given you a good basis for your pro-WM camping position. My issue is that I don't have local knowledge of a particular WM location we just happen to be passing, so I just don't know if it's a good place to stay or not. Someone can tell me they've not experienced a problem at WMs 'till they're blue in the face, but the fact is that there's only a very small chance they've stayed at a WM location I might visit next week. So their experience isn't relevant.

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I think maybe one thing that has turned off some of the anti WM people is the DVD published by a Montana Public radio station entitled “This is nowhere."

I'd never heard of it until reading your message, so it didn't turn me off. But it sounds like something worth watching.

As I've said, each to his own, but I won't make a recommendation about staying at any place without stating the pros and cons, which inevitably will include my own biases.
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Re: WalMart campground?
« Reply #25 on: September 18, 2005, 11:40:37 AM »
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How many kinds of RV toilet papers are there anyway?

The worst RV Toilet paper is the packages marked RV Toilet paper.  We use Scott's single ply and second choice is Angel Soft. Both of which is available at your local Super Wal-Mart store in the grocery section. ;D ;D
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« Reply #26 on: September 18, 2005, 11:48:36 AM »
Oh no, I see another TP discussion starting  ;D

Anyone wishing to read about the infamous RV Forum Toilet paper test, developed by George Mullen, and its results, here's the link:

http://www.rvforum.net/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=113&Itemid=41
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Re: WalMart campground?
« Reply #27 on: September 18, 2005, 12:34:57 PM »
Oh no, I see another TP discussion starting  ;D

Great news, Tom.  I have been wondering what the best TP is for my motorhome.  I like the high strength, double ply stuff.

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Re: WalMart campground?
« Reply #28 on: September 18, 2005, 06:45:24 PM »
Tom:

Ok on the CGs being the alienated businesses.  Sorry I misinterpreted your comment.

I also agree about the WM RV supplies being lesser quality (though not really junk).  But when you need a roll of toilet paper, does anyone really care?  Better than dollar bills LOL!  But it is more than just RV stuff of course.  The presence of RV stuff is I believe simply a form of acknowledgment by WM of the loyalty of RVers.  We can stock up on all kinds of “necessaries” besides RV stuff, of course.  I hope you don’t think I am recommending that everyone buy RV stuff from WM, as that was not the point of my comments.

I don't know the local situation either on the local WMs we stay at.  But given a choice between an unknown campground and an unknown WM, I will take the unkown WM hands down, at least on the interstates.  The only time I got ripped off was at a CG and a big well known one at that.  I do admit though that I once got banged up (the trailer) at a WM by a guy in a pickup hauling big red pipes who dragged a red line down my trailer and ran off before I could get his tag.  He was not an RVer though.

“But it sounds like something worth watching.”  Aye Tom I think you would enjoy it, though it would not improve your view of WM.  Likely worsen it.  I believe you would enjoy the humor though.  You can order it from any of those RV online bookstores and places that sell RV tapes and DVDs.  We got ours from the same place we ordered the QZ DVD which is also most enjoyable.

[added by edit]  Just occured to me, we have a big collection of RV DVDs.  We got Baha (sp?) WallMart, Quartzite, Glacier  Park, Desert Boondocking, nearly all the RV Today shows, and more.  If anyone is interested in viewing any of these we can either loan them at QZ, or have a "viewing" in QZ this coming rally.  We could seat as many as are interested if the weather is nice and we can turn on our outdoor TV/DVD.  Dunno if this would fit into the QZ social calendar, but if so, the offer is there.

Ron, I tried Scott single ply and it was too rough on our bottoms so we went back to the softer 2 ply Thetford.  I am still open to non RV paper so will give that Angel Soft a try next stop.  I find 2 ply Thetford very satisfactory but quite expensive.  I’d love to find something cheaper that will still feel kind to our olde butts.

Tom, I will check out those TP tests.  Hope they include some sort of rating on the comfort factor!
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Re: WalMart campground?
« Reply #29 on: September 18, 2005, 07:19:39 PM »
Smoky,

Keep using Thetford TP and you will find out why the experienced RVer doesn't.  IMHO Thetford TP is not really RV friendly nor is any other RV TP.  Bottom line Thetford products are NOT welcome in the Eagle.  After a several months of using what you are using you will probably find out why when you begin to loose BWT capacity.  Read up on the TP tests at the link Tom provided.

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