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Ray D

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Re: Weapons on board ?????
« Reply #30 on: August 21, 2009, 02:12:50 PM »
 :D :D :D

Mark, I'll put you at the top of the list of "adopted sons."

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Choosing a firearm and Shoot to kill vs. Shoot to stop
« Reply #31 on: August 27, 2009, 07:56:37 PM »
First let me say, I am a 19 year active duty LEO just waiting for my time to retire and become a fulltime RVer.

When selecting a handgun, select a quality brand name Firearm. The qualities you are looking for are Safety, dependability, and ability to stop the threat. A few years back My partner and myself were the first to respond to a scene of a shooting. After everybody was secured, the suspects were not cooperative and would not tell us where the gun was. Needless to say, we had to find it then. By this time, about eight of us were there. Unknown to us, the gun was wrapped up in a lightweight jacket sitting on the trunk of a car. One of the officers picked up the jacket. The gun fell out, hit the ground, and discharged. One of the other officers was shot in the groin. He eventually turned out to be ok and continued his career with no problems. This is why you NEVER buy a cheap gun. If you are unsure about what to buy, just contact a reasonably sized PD and find out what they carry. PD's conduct a lot of research on the weapons they carry and anything a cop carries, is going to be a good bet and will meet all of the criteria. Now, you must also carry decent ammo. Again, find out what kind of ammo a cop is carrying. Now some ammo is not available to the general public but most is.

Shoot to kill vs. shoot to stop....Let me explain why this is important. I have been trained to "Shoot to stop", never shoot to kill. In some states you can actually shoot someone to protect property. in most states, you cannot do this. Let's say you are in my state (Ohio), if someone were to look out of there house and see someone breaking into your car. let's say you come out of the house and for whatever reason you shoot the perp and he dies (I would hope nobody would do this in any state regardless of the law). If you say "I shot to kill" you have just set up yourself to face a murder rap vs. Voluntary manslaughter. One will get you a few years in jail. The other is going to get you a minimum of 15 years.

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Re: Weapons on board ?????
« Reply #32 on: August 28, 2009, 04:48:17 AM »
Hello again all:

All post were good for me.... knowledge shared appreciated.
I have wanted to share an experience I had while traveling recently, one which made me glad I was carring a weapon. This last post (a week after last post in thread) renewed my resolve to express (relate) this event in STORY form. It would be based on this true happening as I recalled it, and, putting on paper would provide a growth challenge for me.   
I'll be back.....
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Re: Weapons on board ?????
« Reply #33 on: August 28, 2009, 08:18:17 AM »
ya gotta love our country though, criminals have more rights than the vic. If we could only go back to removing fingers everytime your caught stealing something maybe things would change ;D
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Re: Weapons on board ?????
« Reply #34 on: August 28, 2009, 11:49:05 AM »
...we are taking some classes in self defense...

Spend the extra time and money to get a carry permit (if offered in your state).
Both of you should get one in case you are in the toad and had to stow it while running into a store with a Gun Buster Sign and she's in the vehicle with a weapon and no license.

I doubt I'll carry much, but, it's comforting to know I can should I find myself in a bad area from which I can not readily exit. We got our carry permits this year primarily to add a legal buffer for the weapon we keep in the bedroom of the motorhome. It also demonstrates our support for the NRA and their fight for our rights.

Remember: When seconds count, the police are only minutes away.
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Re: Weapons on board ?????
« Reply #35 on: August 28, 2009, 11:51:15 AM »
Here is story....
Let me know if it was readable and/or entertaining.

                                                                                  "The Story"
I had spent an hour in Cloverdale, CA., filling up fuel, talking to people in and out of gas station’s store front, just relaxing after hours of driving north on Rt. 101 from San Francisco. Now all this time my TV’s tail gate is down, exposing tools and an expensive generator. Additionally, I had climbed up into truck to fill generator with gas, and this activity brought more “eyes” on equipment. It was early evening and community was alive with farmers and “farm help people” coming in and out of the gas station.
In the course of my conversations I had given my plans of travel up to, and along coast to a few people. Most of course were envious, expressing the desire to be able to travel this way; just stopping where convenient to observe the beauty of California’s coast. And I must admit that my “personality” needs to tell others of my good fortunes. I tend to brag.

This road, SR128, is a twisting and narrow road, with young trees overhanging the road providing a canopy which blocked direct sunlight. It is a lonely road, and even more lonely and ominous during the closing hours of the day. Occasionally, driveways leading to farms and sparsely placed homes would allow glimpses of grape vine fields and rolling hills as I moved northwest towards Ft. Bragg. I would never reach the coast this evening, turning back in fear, seeking the familiar, a community where people existed, something other than the unknown of this road.

I left Cloverdale, beginning the climb into the hills allowing cars to pass me whenever I could by pulling to right, at spots designed for that purpose. Traffic became infrequent, and maybe a half hour into climb, I noticed a car following, but not interested in passing. After providing this vehicle enough chances to pass, I pulled over and stopped, making them pass my “Rig”. As the car passed in a normal manner, I saw a low “banger’s” type vehicle, and in it were four young males. I then reentered the road, traveling a few more turns, maybe a mile more, and there was the same car, pulled over in an area to the side, making me pass them.
Now at this point my instincts (and fearful personality) started the wheels turning. I recalled my activities at the gas station and it entered my mind that I may have been identified as a target, someone traveling alone, with an RV that might be attractive & exciting to young men on the prowl and up to no good.  

In front again, and not liking it, I traveled a few miles then I pulled over and stopped for a second time in a driveway. Looking in the driver’s mirror, a few moments passed before their car rounded a curve and slowly approached.  Now in my mind my worse fears were confirmed. I positioned my cell phone to my ear, removing it in a manner that would have allowed them to see I had this phone, but removing it just as they rolled along side my driver’s window. My intent was to pretend I did not want them to know I was on the cell phone, thus creating a sense that I was talking to someone about the situation.
The car pulled along side me slowly and I watched the passenger roll his window down in preparation to talk, and it entered my mind that they would block my path back to the highway. At this moment I made up my mind to just ram and push them away if the driver angled his vehicle anywhere near my front path. I was confident this powerful truck I was driving was up to task.
Now you must understand I’m a bluffer, I’m good at it, all my life I have been proud of my ability to get quiet and look unafraid at moments like this, moments of real or imagined danger.
I reluctantly gave the passenger my attention as he said most respectfully:
“Excuse me sir, do you know if this road goes to Mandocino?”

I did not vocalize my response, but rather shrugged my shoulders and slowly shook my head. There was a moment of silence and slowly the passenger realized that this was the extent of my willingness to exchange information. His body returned forward and the vehicle moved off slowly to the north. I brought the cell phone to my ear and leaned my head out in an exaggerated effort to read the license plate, as I mouthed an imaginary number to an imaginary person. I did not see if I was observed, but that was my intent.

Was the car and it’s passengers following me? I do not know. It was at this moment that I decided to turn back. Slowly I proceeded to a point where the road provided a turn around. I never seen that vehicle again, and driving south, back the ten miles I had traveled, parking in the lot of Cloverville’s police department; was what was necessary to give me peace of mind.

Was I correct in my conclusions regarding those young men? I’ll never know. But that night as I went to sleep, I was glad my rifle was in trailer.
Mr. Bojangles


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Re: Weapons on board ?????
« Reply #36 on: August 28, 2009, 01:08:07 PM »
I don't carry outside my state.  I live 10 miles from a state that does not recognize my permit.  However, I have often carried in the other state by mistake.  I almost get an ulcer before I get over the border.  I don't want the hassle or expensive due to carrying in states that don't recognize my permit.

this debate has been raging for years and the only true answer I believe is what are you comfortable with.

I carry a billy tire jack next to my door, obtained at most truck stops for $12. The billy jack is a very small baseball bat used to check your tires. Of course it doesn't do me any good when I'm away from the MH.  I try to be very vigilante however when your tired or having lots of fun it is easy to become complacent.  You can leave your steps up so people can't get up close to the door. (don't forget them on the way out as I did), only open a window to talk to someone not the door.  Leave the door light on at night (annoying to lots of other campers).  Have a motion sensing light by the door. I've heard of people putting 14" or larger shoes by the door.  Also, a large dog bowl of water and a lease hanging off the door handle.

I know many people that carry.  They claim it is there home and they have the right to do so.  How will anyone know if you  are armed, shoot someone, an accident, etc.  I have heard the stories as you probably have, judged by 12 rather than carried by 6.  My 2nd amendment right and so on.

Good luck with your decision.

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Re: Weapons on board ?????
« Reply #37 on: August 28, 2009, 03:08:53 PM »
Jim, you asked for it, so i will give you a critique.  ;)

First, well and interestingly written. I'd write a few stories, but I get too wordy - even when someone just asks me the time. Your story was long enough to develop an understanding and short enough to be quickly read.

For advice, always follow your instinct, when your spider-sense is tingling. It is probably correct. When you percieve a threat, move to safer ground.

In my drug war days, my Subaru XT was shot, 4 times - 4 occasions. My Subaru Station Wagon was shot once. My pickup was shot once, resilting in no damage, if you don't count my face. The shooter, a drug gang enforcer stuck a gun out the window suddenlly, at point bank range and took a shot at me. The bullet missed, in the open drivers window and out the open window on the passenger side, but I had powder burns  on my face. Still pick little specs of burned powder out of the left side of my face, from time to time. Police got him, and he is still in prison, last I knew.

Police advised me, when suspicious of a car following, make a random turn. I f he follows the turn, make another. Third time he follows, he's a real threat. Then go to nearest police station if possible, while talking to 911. Alternatively, pull into a crowded parking lot, while giving your location to the operator. Better safe than sorry

Ray D  ;D




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Re: Weapons on board ?????
« Reply #38 on: August 28, 2009, 03:18:41 PM »
Previous post was very difficult to accomplish. Wouldn't let me scroll down. I typed some, in the blind. Then it wouldn't let me type any more, at all. Wouldn't let me edit.

WhadIdo? If this continues, it will solve my "wordiness" problem!  ::) ::)

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« Reply #39 on: August 28, 2009, 03:44:18 PM »
Ray, if you're using IE 8, turn on compatibility mode for rvforum.net.  It's a known bug in IE 8 and affects a number of web sites with text editors.
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Re: Weapons on board ?????
« Reply #40 on: August 28, 2009, 03:47:34 PM »

Ray, read this thread or else try it again after hitting the Compatibility View button.  It involves a scrolling bug in the IE browser software.

http://www.rvforum.net/SMF_forum/index.php/topic,22076.0.html

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« Reply #41 on: August 28, 2009, 03:51:57 PM »
OK, just switched to IE 8, yesterday. Where is the compatibility button? And, I will read the thread as advised. I think I remember such a thread.

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« Reply #42 on: August 28, 2009, 03:55:14 PM »

Two buttons to the left of the red X on the second line from the top towards the right center (on my screen anyway).
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« Reply #43 on: August 28, 2009, 04:04:02 PM »
OK, I see it. Thanks! Now, hope I can remember it!  ::) ::) ::)
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« Reply #44 on: August 28, 2009, 05:02:03 PM »
Ray, once you set compatibility mode for the forum you don't have to set it again.  IE will remember it.  It's on the Tools menu.
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« Reply #45 on: August 28, 2009, 05:12:46 PM »
Thanks.

Did it.

Gonna check it out.

Trying, now.



Going.

Going.

So far so good.

I'm thinking it works.

Still going.

I think I'm happy.

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« Reply #46 on: August 28, 2009, 05:35:01 PM »
crosscountry:
Quote
this debate has been raging for years and the only true answer I believe is what are you comfortable with.
Amen....

Ray D:
Appriciate your input.... I also suffer from "wordiness" syndrome and "story" served two purposes..., justify carrying weapon, and exercise to improve writing efforts...  it will happen, but, I can not keep using forums.
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Re: Weapons on board ?????
« Reply #47 on: August 28, 2009, 11:23:34 PM »
Just reading thru all the posts on this thread.  I find it very interesting that very few actually answered the OP's questions.

Here is my advice on what to do:
Go to your local gun shop or range,  Many will allow you to try or rent weapons for your see which ones feel more comfortable when using.  This is very important as you must be comfortable with your choice.  What works for me may not work for you and visa versa.

Make a firm decision on your choice, then go and obtain training in how to handle your weapon.  This would be in how to operate and maintain.  Then sign up for training in how to operate, function, and decide what to do in various situations.  If you do not do this then when your under stress your likely to make some mistakes.  These courses will also help you in the mindset that you need to deal with what ever situation may occur.  Remember, your in a defensive mode.  You have no back up, nor do you have an unlimited resupply of ammo.  Sometimes the best offense is a good defense.  Maybe you situation will be  better to back away from the situation.  The training you receive will help you to make these choices.

Check out your states CCW laws and also obtain the laws for all 50 states.  Some states will recip with your state.  Others will not.  Some of those that do not recip,  will allow you to obtain a non resident permit.  Make sure you understand all the laws, and which states allow you to travel in and how your weapons can be carried.

Once you receive your training continue to train on your own and also with other courses.  Practice, practice, practice..... If you full time there are many facilities around the country that you can use, or sign up for.  Just google firearms training.

Someone in an earlier post mentioned they travel with an unloaded weapon.  You might as well not even carry.  If a situation should occur you will not have the time to find your rounds and load.

Do not travel to Canada, or Mexico with weapons or ammo.  Make sure you fully understand the laws of each of those Countries.  Canada will allow long guns but not pistol.  Mexico is a no go on weapons and ammo.

With all that said, the best advice and go get some training, more training, practice, practice, practice.
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« Reply #48 on: August 29, 2009, 11:21:36 AM »
A handy tool to have is a shotgun.  A pump shotgun is very loud when you pump it inside your rv in the middle of the night.

If for some reason you need to show it or tell you have it with you then you can claim it is to go TRAP SHOOTING.

However, before you show it take the infrared scope off and the mag lite.

Russ

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« Reply #49 on: August 29, 2009, 11:59:07 AM »
check these sites out for additional information:

http://www.usconcealedcarry.com/public/department10.cfm

Select the state you are in and see states that will honor your permit.

http://www.handgunlaw.us/

Russ
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« Reply #50 on: September 01, 2009, 12:37:57 AM »
First of all, Thanks for all the thoughts and stories!  We finished our CC class last Friday at the local shooting range.  Both of us passed with 100% of the qualifying rounds on the target.  The classroom sessions were very helpful and covered many of the topics that are in this thread.  The instructor was a retired state department security chief and had some chilling stories.  Now he has a security alarm response company.  Just encountering him in full field equipment would get me to "give up".

We fired 380's, 9mm's, 38's, 45's all in revolver and semi-auto.  Just have to remember the "safety circle" and a load of other things.  He demo-ed a 45 cal silencer as well.  There were tactical reloads, speed reloads, and even some close quarter drills, even though he said most "situations" take about 3 rounds max to resolve.

Learning the details of the laws in NM was a real eye opener.   We have reciprocity with 20 other states which  seemed low but  what do I know... at least all of our bordering states reciprocate.  I also ride a motorcycle from time to time and was amazed to find out that "any motorized conveyance" is an extension of your home... so whatever you can do with weapons in your home, you can do in your vehicle, even without a ccp, at least in NM.

Seems like this thread oughta be a tutorial somewhere, it is so insightful, so thanks again to all.

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« Reply #51 on: September 03, 2009, 09:16:54 AM »
I have been considering caring a weapon for protection and several friends in law enforcement suggested that I take a shotgun there are several reasons but a few were the sound of racking a shotgun will stop most intruders if you have to fire the sound is much more terrifying and most people without training and practice could not hit a target the size of a person under the pressure of the moment.

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« Reply #52 on: September 03, 2009, 03:08:22 PM »
re: shotgun

yes, it has a distinctive sound and throws a big pattern... if you have the space, if you can get to it quickly, if the confrontation is not in close where the person/animal you are trying to protect yourself against can knock the gun away, if you can swing the barrel around to fire at additional targets, ... RVs are roomy but not as roomy as we might think.  I'd borrow one of each, handgun and shotgun and practice some in the situation you think you might encounter.  JMHO, FWIW.
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« Reply #53 on: September 03, 2009, 03:47:50 PM »
The shotgun is simply not a RV protection weapon. Will work fine, in most stick houses. For an RV, it is too long for the confines, too slow to bring it up and into action and too slow to get to, to start with. Yes, the racking sound is blood-curdling, especially in the dark. But, once you rack it, you're just about done as far as bringing it to bear in tight quartrs.  :(

Just to run the rest of the table, put the rifle behind, well behind, the shotgun for home defense, either in a stick house or in an RV. Same problem as shotgun, plus the bullet is going to go through the target and then, a lot of walls. Includes neighbor's walls as well as your own.  >:(

Taoshum, you seemed to have learned some, in that class. Good for you!  ;D

Handguns are made for that application. And, to echo a previous post above, by Jeff, buy only the top of the line brands. Cost a little more. Buys reliability. But then how much is your life worth?   ;)

Ray D  ;D
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« Reply #54 on: September 04, 2009, 07:23:54 AM »

 Gary , You did not mention where you were from and of course every state is different.  I lived in NY which was hard to get a carry permit unless you owned a business, but it depends on which county you reside because when we moved north an hour that county only issued full carry. (I don't understand that because it is still all NY and is good throughout the state) except the city. I moved to NC and within 3 month total (after taking a class) had my concealed carry which is honored in 38 other states.

  I believe it should be nationwide, but anyway , I was at a gun show and an elderly couple were there for the same reason you are asking about and they bought a shotgun , which you may have even in NY without a permit. I myself have a Mossberg 500 with pistol grip handle.

 If you get your permit(which I recommend) A good weapon for close quarters is a Taurus "Judge" , comes in different barrel sizes, will use a 45 slug or 410 shotgun shell. It is also a revolver ,so if you do not have experience with guns it may be to your advantage to get a revolver rather than an automatic which may jam. You can Google it and watch the video.

Brett

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« Reply #55 on: September 04, 2009, 07:36:39 AM »
Ray I gotta disagree on that one, I would shoot to kill and here is my reason.

OK first off your gonna get sued If the survive they will sue you, if they die, someone in their family will sue you.
Now I feel like I could take it better if it aint the sorry ...you know what that was tryin to rob me, there for, shoot them, and anyone with them. ;D

So true. Read this story--watch the U-tube.
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« Reply #56 on: September 04, 2009, 06:21:11 PM »
We aren't sure what we are going to do but if we cannot find any ammo, and the shelves are bare around here, I guess it doesn't make any sense to look at guns.  I ask the Wally World sporting goods manager when they might get some 45 ACP ammo and he said "we had some on Monday, three cases, and by noon it was all gone".  My DW suggested that we could, LOL, throw the gun at 'em if we can't find any ammo.

Makes me wonder why?
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« Reply #57 on: September 04, 2009, 08:20:25 PM »
taoshum, you've mentioned looking at big box stores for ammo, and coming up empty. Even if ammo were in plentiful supply, I would not buy it at a large department store. It is likely to be old, stale, and cheaper brand. I don't want my safety to be dependent upon 2nd grade ammo. It is more likely to missfire or hangfire or fail to load in a .45. If the sound of a gun being fired is frightening, I'll tell you that a more terrifying sound when you are trying to fire any gun is a "click." Nothing quite like it.  :o

Try smaller, gun stores. Gotta be some good ones, there. If they don't have what you need, they will order it.

Also, you can buy ammo on line. I have never done that and don't know what hoops one has to jump through. But I have friends and associates who do it regularly. Google Handgun ammo.

I have no interest in any business, but would suggest for a .45 that you consider Federal Hydroshocks or Federal Personal Defense Ammo, (PDA). The PDA has slightly less powder and a slightly lower weight bullet. In .45, they are also affectionately known as "The Flying Dinner Plate." When they expand, they are huge! Last I knew, they had the highest "one shot stop" rate of any handgun ammo.

A second suggestion would be Glasser Safety Slugs, (in blue.) They fragment, when they hit soft tissue or a hard surface. They penetrate less, but still plenty, especially in .45 caliber. The benefit is a harder hit, when the bullet fragments in soft tissue and in the case of a miss, less likely to penetrate walls or even windows, with lethal force still in them. The downside is that this ammo is spendy enough to curl your hair!  :o Use something else for practice. (I do have Glaser Safety Ammo for our RV guns.)

An additional benefit to the smaller specialty store is that you may meet some skilled gunsmiths. Good to know when a gun misbehaves.  ::)

Let me know if I made a sale, here.  :D ;D

Ray D  ;D
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Boise, Idaho. U.S.A.F. Vet. Damon Challenger, Workhorse/Vortec, 2005 towing a Suzuki XL-7, 2003.

pedataa136

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Re: Weapons on board ?????
« Reply #58 on: September 07, 2009, 09:45:39 AM »
I never leave without my Glock .40 cal.Unloaded.Can get it fast enough if needed.

BruceinFL

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Re: Weapons on board ?????
« Reply #59 on: September 07, 2009, 11:17:06 AM »
Check with Cabela's for ammo too. Cabelas Most ammo has come back to normal supply except for .380 which is still hard to find but stocks are increasing. The good part about short supplies of ammo is that what is on the shelf is probably fresh. Also. make friends with the sporting goods clerks at Wally World. Maybe they'll let you know when a shipment comes in. Usually gets there at night but they can't sell until 7:00am. If you're not there, it'll be gone in a flash.

Be very wary of foreign made ammo. Try to buy American if you can.
Bruce A.
2004 Alpenlite Valhalla 29RK 5W
2005 Ford F-350 SRW 6.0L