vetrncwby said:
Hello all,
I have a dream to be a fulltimer when its possible. I was wondering what other fulltimers do as far as thier house is concerned. Do you sell it or keep it? Thanks for your comments.
I keep my homebase, which is land about 150' long by about 30' wide, with a beach on the East side, a swamp and forest on the west side, and RV parks to the north and south. Here I have a natural brook, a rose garden, fruit trees, a vegetable garden, and enough of a driveway to park a small motorhome in. In this town, you are not allowed to live in an RV on your own land, nor are you allowed to add private hookups on your own land, but if I need hook ups, there's an RV park right next door and I could park there and still have daily access to my land, should I ever need to do so, so far I haven't, but the option is there for me. There was a house on the land years ago, a 1940s 16'x9' beach cabin. There is no house today, a flood decided for me that I did not need one anymore, and the town zoning laws decided for me that my land was too small to put a house on. I asked them: I'm not allowed to put up a house where I already had a house, I'm not allowed to live in a motorhome, what exactly AM I allowed to live in?". The guy sarcasticaly joked and said: "Well there is no law regarding tents." So I put a tent where my house used to be, and I pretty much live on this small piece of land in a tent, full time, a thing I have done for 5 years now.
DonTom said:
I don't see how one can be considered a full-timer if they have a home to return to. If they rent it out or never return to it, I would consider that to be fulltiming.
There are fulltime travelers and there are fulltime RVers. They ARE NOT the same thing.
First off, let me explain that there are two types of full-timers:
Full-Time Travelers and
Full-Time RVers and than there is a third type known as
FullTime RV Travelers...which seems to be the sub-type to which you are refering to. Do not assume all fulltimers are FullTime RV Travelers, this is only one subtype.
Full-Time Travelers are on the road a lot. They rarely stay in one location more than 3 or 4 months, and most only stay at each stop for a week or less. They may or may not live in an RV. Some live in cars, some live in vans, some live in trailers, some live in motorhomes, some live in tiny pop-ups pulled by motorcycles, and I've meet a few who live out of their backpack while crossing the country on bikes. Some live in their cars during the day and sleep at motels or in tents during the night. They call no place their home and move from one place to the next, year after year.
Full-Timer RVers may or may not be Full-Time Travelers. They live in a trailer or a motorhome full time. They may be "Snowbirds" living 6 months in the north and 6 months in the south always parking in the exact same location, which they may either rent or own outright. They may be "Homesteading Boondockers" living off the grid all year long never moving off their land at all. They may be "Part Time Travelers" living in the RV on their own land most of the year and traveling in the RV only a few weeks of the year.
Full-Time RV Travelers are when Full-Time Travelers are also Full-Time RVers.
But this is all just the "basics", and with in each of these are tons of variations, including PartTimers, Boondockers, LongTimers, ShortTimers, SnowBirds, SunBirds, and loads of less common terms. In the end every one is different and has different ways of thinking about fulltiming, and that's okay, because as long as it works for them, who cares about the details, right? In the end we are all a mixed pot of folks who live in RVs for varying ammounts of time and varying reasons and varying types of travel, and it's all good because the thing all fulltimers seem to hae in common is the agreement to disagree about what exactly it is that makes a person a fulltimer, which is pretty cool, when you stop and think about it.
Me? I am a
Full-Time Boondocker, a
Semi-Full Timer RVer, and only an
occasional vacationing traveler. What this means is this: I live on my own land, without utility hook-ups (no electricity, no running water, no sewer/septic). On dry warm days I live in a tent and on cold, rainy, or snowy days I move into a motorhome. My traveling consists of monthly weekend visits to in-state tourist attractions, festivals, fair grounds, beaches, fishing villages, state parks, etc. I am a Scottish Traveller (Gypsy) by birth, race, and culture (note the double "LL"), but I am not a Traveler (single "L") by life style.
To farther explain and confuse, FullTime Boondocking has NOTHING at all to do with RV Boondocker, which is a horse of a completly different color.
Boondocking is a term that has been around for close to 200 years. It was only recently picked up and used by RVers in the last 15 years.
"To Boondock" by correct, proper, and true dictionary definition, means to live off the land, in an isolated location on the deep far outskirts of society, without electricity, without running/tap water, and without sewer/septic/toilets, and on an very abnormally low income at least 50-75% below the poverty line (generally considered to less than $5,000 per year, per person in the household).
Boondocking means "Living out in the Boonies" or "Living in the Sticks", or inother words to live outside of town, outside of the city limits, or deep in the woods and swamp regions where the average person does not live.
People "Living out in the Boonies" (a Southern term) or "Living in the Sticks" (a Northern term) are said to be "HillBillies" (in the South), "Hermits" (in the North), or "Mountain Men" (in New England and the Rockies).
Since the above terms are now considered to be culturally slanderous, degrading, hate names, or politically incorrect, the modern term used by the general public today is "Boondockers", "Hipsters", and "Hippies" whom are "Living Off the Grid" or "Living Off the Land" or "Living an Eco Friendly Green Lifestyle". In the 1960s and 1970's "Hipsters" and "Hippies" were the preferred terms, but since the 1990's the preferred term has been "Boondockers".
Terms which have always been considered degrading include: "Bums", "Tramps", and "Hobos".
Boondockers whom own there own land are referred to as "Homesteaders".
Boondockers whom camp out on publicly or privately owned lands without the permission of the land owners are referred to as "Squatters". Most states have laws regarding "Squatter's Rights" which allow the Squatters to camp out on government owned lands for a specified length of time (which varies from as little as 6 hours to as long as 4 months, depending on the local laws.)
In some regions it is a stereotyped myth to assume that all Gypsies, Irish Travellers, and Scottish Travellers are ALWAYS Boondockers. In the case of my family this was not a myth, as we can trace our family back to the 1400's and pretty much no one in our family tree ever settled down to a "normal stix n brix" lifestyle.
Traditionally someone who lives "Out on the Boondocks" lives outside of the city limits, often on public land, usually in a densely wooded area where they can not be seen from the road. Often living in huts, shacks, tents, cabins, lean too, covered wagons, trailers, and shanties. If they had a house at all, it was usually abnormally small and often had only 1 room. Usually they lived this way because they were too poor to live in town. Many Boondockers had large families with 7, 8, 10, 12 or more kids, all sleeping in the same bedroom. Some begged for food, some worked in near by mills or mines or fisheries. In areas where several Boondocking families gathered together, became know as "Shanty Towns", "Hobo Cities", or "Tent Cities".
"To Boondock" by correct, proper, and true dictionary definition, means to live off the land, in an isolated location on the deep far outskirts of society, without electricity, without running/tap water, and without sewer/septic/toilets, and on an very abnormally low income at least 50-75% below the poverty line (generally considered to less than $5,000 per year, per person in the household).
And that is the way is has been ever since the late 1700's through the 1800's and on into the 1900's until the late 1980s/early 1990s when WalMart arrived on the scene and gave a whole new meaning to the word: Boondocking.
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Skip ahead to the 1990's and the arrival of WalMart.
WalMart realizing that RV travelers needed a place to stop and shop and stop and get a few hours sleep between driving, came up with a marketing screme to bring in more customers, by allowing RVers to camp out in their parking lots 100% for FREE. In the beginning, all WalMart's allowed RVs to park in their parking lots. Some WalMarts even offer hook-ups and dumping stations. All you do is drive out behind the WalMart to the designated RV parking spaces, park, head in to the service desk, give them your name and info (make of RV, plate number, etc) and tell them how many nights you need to stay. The only thing WalMart requires of you, is that you come into the store each day.
However, while ALL WalMarts allowed RV parking, not all cities give WalMart permission to do so! It is not uncommon in certain places, for the police to wake you up at night and tell you to clear out of WalMart, wither you have permission from WalMart or not. Cities started charging WalMart fines and many WalMarts were forced to tell RVers they could no longer park over night. Fortunatly cities banning WalMart parking were few, and there are still over 400 WalMarts across the country, which welcome RV overnight parking.
Originally there was no limit on how long you could stay in WalMart's parking lot. Need to park for a week? A month? Six months? A year? As long as you went inside and bought something every day, they did not care how long you parked. Entire caravans would park in WalMart, 5, 10, 15, 20, 30 RVs traveling together. They'd pull out their slides, set up their tents and lawn chairs, set up a fir pit, and than every day go into WalMart and buy one .99c item. They'd lay out on beach towles and play loud music and annoy and disrupt WalMart's regular customers. When they left they often left piles of garbage in the parking lot. They almost ruined it for every one.
Times have changed.
Today, some WalMarts don't want to deal with the hassle and choose not to allow RVers at all. Most however, ask that you park, but don't "set up camp". (In other words - don't open your slides, don't pull out your awning, don't set up a tent, leave the lawn chairs indise, and don't cook on your grill or fire pit.) Many now have time limits varying from 1 night to 14 days, often only allowing employees to stay longer periods. Some disallow caravan groups. And if you only rush in and buy a single .99c item each day of your stay, rather than doing your regular shopping there, they may ask you to leave and not let you come back. And remember - if you break too many rules - they took down your name, RV make, and plate number - you could get banned from WalMart nation wide, not just the one you parked in.
Other stores now follow WalMart's lead and it is not too difficult now to find, shopping centers, malls, gas stations, truck stops, casinos, race tracks, and other commercial businesses which allow RV parking. Rarely will any allow more than a 3 nights stay.
But the result of all of this was a new breed of people who had begun to call themselves "Boondockers" or "RV Boondockers" or "WalMart Boondockers". Because they were dry camping (without hook ups) while at WalMart, these same folks began to call themselves "Boondockers" any time and every time they parked ANYWHERE without hook-ups. If they parked in an RV Resort and opted to dry camp no hook ups, they called themselves Boondockers, even though they had bumper to bumper people and amenities on all sides. If they are parked in WalMart without electrify, they call themselves Boondockers. In they are parked on the street in the middle of the city, surrounded by apartment buildings, they call themselves "Stealth Boondockers". If they are in a National or State Park, they call themselves Boondockers.
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And so what is the difference between
Boondocking and
RV Boondocking?
"To Boondock" by correct, proper, and true dictionary definition, means to live off the land, in an isolated location on the deep far outskirts of society, without electricity, without running/tap water, and without sewer/septic/toilets, and on an very abnormally low income at least 50-75% below the poverty line (generally considered to less than $5,000 per year, per person in the household).
"To RV Boondock" means to live in any location an RV without electricity, without running/tap water, and without sewer/septic/toilets, and gives no regard to income levels.
RV Boondocking, if you want to get technical about it, is not true Boondocking and is actually a slang term for Dry Camping. Dry Camping means to camp in a spot where you do not have access to electricity, running water, or flushing toilets. This covers everything from camping in your RV to the family fishing trip in the tent along side a river. If done only occasionally as a vacation it is considered "just a camping trip", but if down every day, all year long as a lifestyle than it becomes Boondocking.
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As I said, I am a
Full-Time Boondocker, a
Semi-Full Timer RVer, and only an
occasional vacationing traveler. I am some one who lives in an RV, but I am not some one who travels in said RV. What this means is this: I live on my own land, without utility hook-ups (no electricity, no running water, no sewer/septic). On dry warm days I live in a tent and on cold, rainy, or snowy days I move into a motorhome. My traveling consists of monthly weekend visits to in-state tourist attractions, festivals, fair grounds, beaches, fishing villages, state parks, etc. I am a Scottish Traveller (Gypsy) by birth, race, and culture (note the double "LL"), but I am not a Traveler (single "L") by life style.
Anyways, yeah, there you have it...how some one can be a FullTimer and own land too.
I think, personally, if I was forced to try to define what the 'ideal fulltimer" would be: I'd probably say to be a 100% "true" fulltimer, you'd have to be living in a motorhome (not a trailer) for no less than 5 years, with no house or land or home base to fall back on. I'm not sure how my mind even came to think that, but whatever. I no ways fit that and I consider myself a fulltimer on some level, though more on a semi-fulltime level not a 100% fulltime level - does that even make sense?
Wow - I like this thread - you guys really made me take a "deep look" at what it is I consider fulltiming to be! LOL! Sorry I rambled on so long while I analysed this all out.
