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« on: November 11, 2009, 09:18:52 PM »
I live in a poor area for cell phone reception and this phone shows 3G most all the time, and I can even get wireless network off my router. I just purchased the new Droid and for the first day I am very happy with the reception. Does anyone else have any comments towards this phone?

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« Reply #1 on: November 11, 2009, 09:33:52 PM »
The reports on the Droid have been almost universally good, but it's nice to get a first hand report here.  It will probably be my next phone when my New Every 2 comes up next March.  Unless I can talk VZW into an early upgrade :)
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« Reply #2 on: November 11, 2009, 09:43:10 PM »
Note that the Droid is a Smart Phone. That means VZW will require you to have the internet access package, same as a Blackberry.   Fine if you use it for emails or other online appls, but an extra $30/month cost if you don't..
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« Reply #3 on: November 11, 2009, 09:51:07 PM »
I know I'll have to get the data plan, but I want that capability in my next phone.  Better than my current $2/MB data charges just to get my email :)
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« Reply #4 on: November 11, 2009, 10:35:02 PM »
The reports on the Droid have been almost universally good, but it's nice to get a first hand report here.  It will probably be my next phone when my New Every 2 comes up next March.  Unless I can talk VZW into an early upgrade :)

No problem getting an early upgrade to the Droid.  They do require a few extra dollars but, the new every two date does not change.  :)

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« Reply #5 on: November 11, 2009, 11:34:39 PM »
My only quibble is with the tiny space allotted for apps...256 meg. I have over 30 apps on my iPhone+ the 12 built in ones. The reviewers say that 2 big apps can fill a droid up.
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« Reply #6 on: November 12, 2009, 12:00:27 AM »
My only quibble is with the tiny space allotted for apps...256 meg. I have over 30 apps on my iPhone+ the 12 built in ones. The reviewers say that 2 big apps can fill a droid up.

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« Reply #7 on: November 12, 2009, 07:37:44 AM »
The Droid takes an microSD/microSDHC card so memory can be as big as you want it.
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« Reply #8 on: November 12, 2009, 09:08:47 AM »
I did a little checking last night back can't find where the Droid lists VZAccess Manager.
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« Reply #9 on: November 12, 2009, 09:43:13 AM »
"The Droid takes an microSD/microSDHC card so memory can be as big as you want it."

Yes but...the apps can only work from the built in memory, according to what I have read.

Jeff, no, just making a comment about the bizzare limitation of this phone.
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« Reply #10 on: November 12, 2009, 10:11:29 AM »
The Droid has 256MB of memory just for the OS and another 512MB for applications.  See here for the specs.  I also understand that Google is working on making the SD card memory available for applications as well.
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« Reply #11 on: November 12, 2009, 10:13:48 AM »
I did a little checking last night back can't find where the Droid lists VZAccess Manager.

No VZAccess Manager yet, but, it does tether with "that other program."  I will let you know how it compares when I head back to Happy Trails in a couple of weeks.

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« Reply #12 on: November 12, 2009, 10:19:46 AM »
"The Droid takes an microSD/microSDHC card so memory can be as big as you want it."

Yes but...the apps can only work from the built in memory, according to what I have read.

Jeff, no, just making a comment about the bizzare limitation of this phone.

Russ,

You made the same statement about apps when I got my BlackBerry Storm.  After adding more than 2 dozen apps, there is no memory issue on the Storm.  It will be interesting to see what happens when I get 2 dozen apps on the Droid.  :)

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« Reply #13 on: November 12, 2009, 10:35:34 AM »
I have read one user report that said he loaded 30 apps and still had 85% of the available memory free.  Of course, those could be apps as useful (and as small) as the iPhone Flashlight :)

Phil, were you able to order the Droid online or did you have to call VZW?
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« Reply #14 on: November 12, 2009, 10:37:23 AM »
I have read one user report that said he loaded 30 apps and still had 85% of the available memory free.  Of course, those could be apps as useful (and as small) as the iPhone Flashlight :)

Ned,

I confess, one of my apps is the BlackBerry Flashlight.  ;D

I did not try the online order process.  I called VZW.

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« Reply #15 on: November 12, 2009, 10:51:53 AM »
Phil,

Just curious why you're switching from Storm to Droid. I'm about to pass on Droid, and I'm awaiting a call from our nearest Costco to let me know the Storm2 has arrived. Hopefully I'll get a chance to try both live alongside each other, although this particular wireless booth tends to have more dummy display models than working ones.

I had Chris ported over from T-mobile to VZ with a new phone recently, and I'll add me on the family plan if/when I get a phone, smart or otherwise.
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« Reply #16 on: November 12, 2009, 10:52:20 AM »
My only quibble is with the tiny space allotted for apps...256 meg. I have over 30 apps on my iPhone+ the 12 built in ones. The reviewers say that 2 big apps can fill a droid up.

Russ,

The Apps actually are loaded onto the SD card. Only a small amount of the internal memory is used.
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« Reply #17 on: November 12, 2009, 11:00:45 AM »
Now Russ has no reason NOT to get a Droid :)
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« Reply #18 on: November 12, 2009, 11:02:22 AM »
Now Russ has no reason NOT to get a Droid :)

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« Reply #19 on: November 12, 2009, 11:05:48 AM »
I picked up the DROID yesterday. Quite a learning curve as the manual is almost useless. There is a website where they supposedly have more instructions. At this point I'm not sure I will keep it. The biggest problem i have, other than cost, is it doesn't appear to be compatible with my hearing aids. I get a lot of hum. That doesn't happen with any other phone. I'll play around with it for a few days to see if anything improves. I have 30 days to return it at no charge.
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« Reply #20 on: November 12, 2009, 11:14:29 AM »
The Apps actually are loaded onto the SD card. Only a small amount of the internal memory is used.

iPod, iPhone users are not familiar with the concept of removable and replaceable SD cards -- or the ability to change a battery . . . :) ;)
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« Reply #21 on: November 12, 2009, 11:16:55 AM »
Jim, what plan did you get for the Droid and what is the monthly cost?  The web site is a bit confusing, to say the least, as to what the various plans offer.
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« Reply #22 on: November 12, 2009, 11:22:57 AM »
Ned,

We are still on our old plan, 400 anytime minutes shared. We just have to pay the additional $30/month for the media access. Any usage of Google, etc does not take away from the monthly minutes. I don't think texting is included but I don't do that anyway. :) The cost of the phone is high. Upgrading on the Internet is $150 but it's $200 at the store.
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« Reply #23 on: November 12, 2009, 11:27:09 AM »
Just curious why you're switching from Storm to Droid.

I purchased a Samsung Omni earlier this year. My final decision was between a Storm and the Omnia. I found the Storm much harder to do data entry and edits. Doing an insertion point was almost impossible, e.g., having to backspace tons of characters to get to the one I wanted to edit. I also liked the Windows OS -- and ease of use of Word and Excel. The 30 day Vz test drive is very important -- as it takes days to figure a new Smartphone out. >:( :)

The Omni has stylus, finger touch, AND a mouse cursor. At the time, I don't think any other SmartPhone had a mouse cursor. BTW, in the larger Vz store in Goodyear, the two sales folk I talked to had nothing nice to say about the Storm. Hopefully, they have improved it's functionality. It was their first entry into iPhone challenge market, so imagine that have done better with the newer model.

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« Reply #24 on: November 12, 2009, 11:29:05 AM »
Interesting Bob. I might pop over to a VZ store, make a decision, then go shop at Costco.

I realize you're not an Apple fan but, if AT&T had better coverage, I might have opted for an iPhone.
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« Reply #25 on: November 12, 2009, 11:31:18 AM »
Jim, thanks for the info.  I couldn't find any upgrade for existing customers on the web site so a call to 611 is in order.  Since I'm paying $5/month for email access now, the additional cost will only be $25 for the data plan, and I'll also save the $2/MB that I pay for data.
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« Reply #26 on: November 12, 2009, 11:39:12 AM »
Ned,

Sounds like a win for you. :)

The upgrade was there when I checked the other day. In fact, they sent me a message that I was eligible for the upgrade.
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« Reply #27 on: November 12, 2009, 11:50:39 AM »
I don't see it because my New Every 2 isn't up for another 4 months.
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« Reply #28 on: November 12, 2009, 12:10:46 PM »
That will do it. ;D
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« Reply #29 on: November 12, 2009, 01:14:10 PM »
Called 611, had the CS rep walk me through the order.  I hung up too soon as on the last page it asks if I want a new phone number or to port a number from another carrier, no option to use my existing number.  Canceled out so now I have to start over again with 611.  They make it harder for existing customers to upgrade than for new customers to buy a phone :(
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« Reply #30 on: November 12, 2009, 01:54:18 PM »
Phil,

Just curious why you're switching from Storm to Droid. I'm about to pass on Droid, and I'm awaiting a call from our nearest Costco to let me know the Storm2 has arrived. Hopefully I'll get a chance to try both live alongside each other, although this particular wireless booth tends to have more dummy display models than working ones.

I had Chris ported over from T-mobile to VZ with a new phone recently, and I'll add me on the family plan if/when I get a phone, smart or otherwise.

Tom,

Let's wait until my 30 days are up before we say I switched.  ;D

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« Reply #31 on: November 12, 2009, 02:03:57 PM »
Phil,

Let me ask the question a different way ...

Why are you considering a switch to Droid? Are there any specific advantages of Droid vs Storm2?

I just received the awaited call letting me know the Storm2 is in, so I'd like to understand what I might be missing if I pass on the Droid.

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« Reply #32 on: November 12, 2009, 02:09:31 PM »
Interesting Bob. I might pop over to a VZ store, make a decision, then go shop at Costco.

I realize you're not an Apple fan but, if AT&T had better coverage, I might have opted for an iPhone.

Here's a Droid vs. Storm2 review video. The sound is not too good, but it should help out. The biggest OOPs I noticed was the speed of the Storm2. The reviewer goes on with the Droid each time while waiting for the Storm2 to catch up with each load.

http://www.cellaz.com/news/5084/video-motorola-droid-vs-blackberry-storm2/
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« Reply #33 on: November 12, 2009, 02:23:15 PM »
Phil,

Let me ask the question a different way ...

Why are you considering a switch to Droid? Are there any specific advantages of Droid vs Storm2?

I just received the awaited call letting me know the Storm2 is in, so I'd like to understand what I might be missing if I pass on the Droid.

TIA.

Tom,

1. The Storm2 is high on my list if the Droid does not work out.

2. I want to see how Google Navigation compares to VZNavigator.

3. The Palm Pre and Iphone are not available on Verizon right now.

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« Reply #34 on: November 12, 2009, 10:21:52 PM »
Ned:

What was the cost? When I tried the New Every Two online upgrade it was $200, the same as a new 2 year contract??? I guess that is what Jim was getting.
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« Reply #35 on: November 12, 2009, 10:33:35 PM »
My source of info is the reviewer's comments. Mossberg, I think it was stated that only internal memory could be used to run apps.

My interest is only as a bystander as the iPhone is so great,
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« Reply #36 on: November 12, 2009, 11:01:01 PM »
Sounds like phone companies have not learned they need to change. Glad I'm no longer associated with them!

After playing with the DROID for a day I think I might go back to a regular phone. It sure has a lot of features that are neat but, for my needs, they exceed my requirements. I'm sure those, like you, who have a need for the functions will find it valuable. Since my main use for a phone is to make calls and play Tetris while waiting for Pat I guess it's overkill. ;D
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« Reply #37 on: November 12, 2009, 11:04:22 PM »
Jim:

My Verizon 6900 still treats data as a feature so I can turn it all on/off and every month I get the bill and ask myself exactly what was it that I needed data for this month. ::)
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« Reply #38 on: November 13, 2009, 03:20:10 AM »
Thanks for the link Bob. I don't know what to make of the apparent browser issue on the Storm2; Can't believe they'd be able to sell a product that was that slow. I've been playing with an iPod (uses the Safari browser) hooked up via WiFi, and it's fast. But then it's WiFi via a router to a cable modem.

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« Reply #39 on: November 13, 2009, 07:05:41 AM »
Jeff, since I wasn't eligible for a New Every 2 discount, I ordered over the phone.  The price was $299 and there is a mail in rebate for $100 so the price is the same as the NE2 or a new account.
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« Reply #40 on: November 13, 2009, 09:11:18 AM »
Jeff,

I know what you mean. Been doing that with HBO/Max for a long time. Going to drop that also. ;D
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« Reply #41 on: November 13, 2009, 11:48:16 AM »
I've been playing with an iPod (uses the Safari browser) . . .

An iPod with a browser  ???  :)

That brings up the fact that as SmartPhones move along, the need for music boxes is less and less. Have not used my iPod since I got my Omnia Smart Phone earlier this year. Being Windows based, I just drag music and videos over via WinExplorer. Happiness is saying goodbye to iTunes . . .

As far as the review video is concerned, I would check it out at a Vz store as well. In Goodyear, I was fortunate to find a Vz sales person that knew the Omnia very well. Another thing I do is ask how many of the sales force at a store have the phone I am looking at as their personal phone. In Goodyear, 4 of them had Omnia's.
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« Reply #42 on: November 13, 2009, 12:17:04 PM »
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An iPod with a browser  ???

Yes, it's the iPod that looks like an iPhone, has all the same features, but doesn't have the phone feature. While looking around for a phone recently, I bought the iPod so I could see what those features were and how well they worked, without committing to an AT&T plan.

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... ask how many of the sales force at a store have the phone I am looking at as their personal phone.

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« Reply #43 on: November 13, 2009, 01:56:40 PM »
That would be the iPod Touch.
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« Reply #44 on: November 13, 2009, 07:55:17 PM »
Change of plans...

After playing around with several phones today, I ruled out the Motorola Droid because it's too heavy and the keyboard is too small. I also ruled out the Storm2 because of the clunky on-screen keyboard. I don't mean to suggest that there's anything "wrong" with either of these phones, they're just not for me.

I opted for the HTC Droid Eris. It runs the Android OS, has access to all the same stuff as the Motorola Droid, and is much lighter. The Eris cost $99 after $100 rebate, but I had to buy it at a VZ corporate store. So, instead of the Costco 90 days, I have only 30 days to change my mind.

I'll let you know how it works out. Meanwhile, I'll probably be returning the iPod whateveritscalled.
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« Reply #45 on: November 13, 2009, 10:54:38 PM »
I did a little checking last night back can't find where the Droid lists VZAccess Manager.

Jeff,

I ran some speed tests with the Droid tethered with PDA net and it is about the same speed as the Storm using VZ Access Manager.  Verizon told me that VZ Access Manager will available "soon."  :)

The Droid can also be used as a USB Wifi adapter while it is tethered.  If the Droid has internet access from either Verizon or Wifi, it will let the tethered computer use the internet.

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« Reply #46 on: November 13, 2009, 11:03:56 PM »
Tom,

I agree with your assessment of the DROID. It is heavy and the key board is really small. I really don't need all the bells and whistles and the text is really difficult to read even at zoom. I expect I'll return mine next week. I'd like something that's easy to use but has a removable card for data. Will have to do more research.

It's going to be hard to beat my Motorola 385I for ease of use. I think that's the model. :) It just doesn't have extra features.
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« Reply #47 on: November 13, 2009, 11:17:13 PM »
Im waiting on the Blackberry "Essex" which will be replacing the Blackberry Tour out now.....hopefully in a month or so!   ;)
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Re: Android platform phones
« Reply #48 on: November 14, 2009, 02:03:00 AM »
Change of plans...

I opted for the HTC Droid Eris.

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I have been using a Verizon (HTC) 6900 for a year and a half running Windows Mobile. Good little phone except the battery will barely last the day when using a lot of data. I'll be waiting to see how you like it. I looked at a Droid today and also don't care for the keyboard. I have been using Graffiti for over 10 years and will have to get used to someone's keyboard soon I guess; couldn't find mention of Android offering it.
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« Reply #49 on: November 14, 2009, 03:37:17 AM »
Jeff,

Android has something called 'Gestures' which allows app developers to build their own libraries equivalent to Graffiti. See here. I haven't yet looked for any apps using Gestures.

It's been quite a few years since I used Graffiti - on one of the early Palm Pilots. I wasn't really very accurate with it &/or it didn't have enough tolerance for my poor penmanship.
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« Reply #50 on: November 14, 2009, 05:08:11 AM »
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The biggest OOPs I noticed was the speed of the Storm2.

While I was a VZ store yesterday, I had an opportunity to run the Droid and the Storm2 alongside each other. On a test similar to the one in the video, there was very little difference in browser speed. In fact, on this limited test, the Storm2 rendered the page a fraction of a second faster than the Droid. Methinks there's something fishy about that review.

As mentioned in another message, I rejected the Storm2 for an unrelated reason.
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« Reply #51 on: November 14, 2009, 02:46:06 PM »
I think that I read somewhere that Verizon is expected to have an iPhone by Fall, 2010 -- perhaps an upgraded one. (No Apple bashers, please; it's just one available choice.)
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« Reply #52 on: November 14, 2009, 03:16:44 PM »
My latest favorite app for the iPhone is Cardstar.
It displays the barcode for reward program cards from grocery stores, bookstores, etc.

So far have entered about a dozen card and have used one- Fry's grocery. Fry's gas pump has laser card reader and may work there also. Safeway grocery gas pumps only have magstrip readers, so no go.
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« Reply #53 on: November 14, 2009, 03:35:54 PM »
(No Apple bashers, please; . . .)

Aw shucks . . .

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« Reply #54 on: November 14, 2009, 09:56:48 PM »
My latest favorite app for the iPhone is Cardstar.
It displays the barcode for reward program cards from grocery stores, bookstores, etc.

So far have entered about a dozen card and have used one- Fry's grocery. Fry's gas pump has laser card reader and may work there also. Safeway grocery gas pumps only have magstrip readers, so no go.

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I'm glad that the iPhone finally got the barcode program.  ;D

(Yes, it's one of the apps on my Droid)

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« Reply #55 on: November 17, 2009, 05:03:49 PM »
I've had the Droid for 24 hours and have been able to explore many of its capabilities.

Pros: The large, bright, touch screen.  Gestures are easy to perform and the screen responds quickly. 

The home screen is actually 3 screens, with the other 2 accessible with a left or right swipe.  There is room for 12 application icons on each screen, giving quick access to up to 36 applications.  The Applications button gives access to all of the installed apps.  It's scrollable so there doesn't appear to be any limit. 

Storage is not a problem.  With 34 applications and several widgets installed, there is still about 232MB of internal storage left.  Pictures, videos, and songs are all stored on the included 16GB SD card. 

Plugging the USB cable in doesn't automatically mount the Droid as a disk drive, you tell it to mount via a notification message.  Unlike some of the reviewers, I consider this an advantage as it allows me to charge the Droid via USB and not have the device pop up as a drive every time I plug it in.  Copying files to and from the Droid is simple drag and drop.  No drivers were need when I connected it to my Vista 64 desktop and Windows 7 netbook.

The on screen keyboard is easy to use with a little practice.  I find I rarely use the slideout keyboard for text entry.

The browser is very good, displaying web pages clearly.  A double tap zooms in for pages not formatted for a small screen.

Once I entered my Google account credentials, the Droid picked up my Gmail contacts.  I did have to export my old phone book from the Verizon Backup Assistant web site to a CSV file and import it into Gmail, and then all those entries showed up in my contacts as well.  It even merged email addresses and phone numbers when the names matched.  There is one contact list for email, SMS, and voice calls.  It also picked up my Google calendars.

Setting up an IMAP account for my personal email was a snap.

The GPS mapping application is really nice.  John Dvorak may have been right when he said this could spell the end of the standalone GPS receivers :)  There's even a car mount available for the Droid.

Cons: It takes two motions to waken the phone, one to push the power button to wake it up, and then you slide a lock icon to the side to unlock the screen.  I suppose this makes it more foolproof with the touch screen.

To turn the various radios on and off (GPS, WiFi, Bluetooth) requires going into the settings menus and several clicks.  However, a Power application solves that giving one button toggling on the home screen.

Voice dialing isn't available with a Bluetooth headset, but that is expected to be added in a future update.  I've never made much use of that feature on my other phones so it isn't a real problem

Overall, I really like this phone.  Oh, it does make phone calls easily and the call quality was good for the few calls I've made and received.  My Jawbone BT headset paired with the Droid with no problems.  I haven't done much with the camera yet, but it's 5MP with autofocus.  It also takes video.  I've installed about a dozen applications, all free so far, and all have worked as designed.  A couple I tried didn't work will on this phone, and they were uninstalled.  There is an application manager that makes all this easy.  I did not install the flashlight app :)
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Re: Android platform phones
« Reply #56 on: November 17, 2009, 05:42:32 PM »
Funny you should post that Ned. I drafted this yesterday, but was going to wait until I've done more exploration before posting it.

I've only had the HTC Droid Eris for a little over a day, and I've only scratched the surface of its capabilities, but thought I'd share some immediate first impressions.

There's a lot of similarity between the user interface of Droid and iPod/iPhone.

I quickly got to appreciate what others have termed "free from iTunes". Being open source, it's so easy for folks to develop applications and make them available via Android Market. There's a huge number of apps available for download from the Market at the touch of an icon. Many apps are free, while others are relatively inexpensive.

On the flip side, this reminds me of all the apps that were available for the various Palm OS devices I've owned. I I'm also reminded that some of those apps were flaky, did not work, or caused the device to hang up. I've already experienced a couple of Android apps that are a bit flaky, and a number on the Market either have such comments in the reviews, or even have caveats posted by the author. This contrasts with Apple's philosophy of verifying software before it's released, and the software works.

WiFi works quite well, and I'm able to find and select from any sites in range. (I'm at home, so I know which ones are around us, in addiition to the one I have hooked to cable and one I have set up with my VZ air card and Cradlepoint router.)

Battery life looks like it's not much more than a day, but that's probably because I've been giving this device a workout. I'll get a better idea when I settle down to more normal usage.

So far, this looks like a keeper, but I'll be making a final decision before my 30 days is up.
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Re: Android platform phones
« Reply #57 on: November 17, 2009, 06:17:20 PM »
Your experience with buggy apps is consistent with mine.  The few that I did try that either didn't work or crashed, had reviews reporting the problems, but none of them had any effect on the OS nor did they lock up the phone.  I've had a number of lockups of my Palm T|X due to buggy apps.  I stick with those rated 4 stars or better now :)  I'll take the open source model of Android over Apple's draconian Apple store any day.

I didn't mention my speed test.  I got 1166kbps down and 589kbps up yesterday and 1906kbps down and 167kbps up just now in our marginal VZW area.
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« Reply #58 on: November 17, 2009, 07:53:24 PM »
I haven't seen any apps cause the device to crash, but several got hung up. There are numerous reports of apps crashing Android devices. I too only download the higher rated apps, but obviously some of those reviews aren't accurate.

I won't debate Apple vs anything, but their software and hardware work. Remember, I'm a PC guy  ;)

I didn't mention speed, because it's more a function of the network than the device. Can't recall all the numbers I got over the last few days, but just ran a test and got 2357 kbps down and 724 kbps up.

testmy.net on my PC using the 6Mb (they call it huge) test just gave me 3194 Kbps down. Up didn't work for some reason.
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« Reply #59 on: November 17, 2009, 10:58:59 PM »
I've had the DROID for about a week. It is slick and should be easy to use once you find all the pertinent information. I was at a mall today where I should have received a good signal. It wasn't until I got home that I found the phone was on airplane mode. I have no idea how it got there. That causes it not to work for anything other than apps. The "manual" is a fold out slick and glossy that shows the basic functions but you have to access the web to find the real instructions. Not something to do on the phone.

I find the screen for mapping is way too small to be visible by a driver of the vehicle. A window mount would definitely put it out of sight for most of us. :) I haven't found any voice prompts so one must watch the screen to see if they are on course. Voice prompts definitely would help replace separate GPS units.

I'm still undecided about this phone but it's fun to fool around with the various screens. I have not found a listing of missed calls as in most phones. It's a foreign world when compared to normal cell phones which means a learning curve that may or may not be steep.
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Re: Android platform phones
« Reply #60 on: November 17, 2009, 11:20:39 PM »
I've had the DROID for about a week. It is slick and should be easy to use once you find all the pertinent information.

I find the screen for mapping is way too small to be visible by a driver of the vehicle. A window mount would definitely put it out of sight for most of us. :) I haven't found any voice prompts so one must watch the screen to see if they are on course. Voice prompts definitely would help replace separate GPS units.

I'm still undecided about this phone but it's fun to fool around with the various screens. I have not found a listing of missed calls as in most phones. It's a foreign world when compared to normal cell phones which means a learning curve that may or may not be steep.

I have been playing with the Droid navigation and I really like it. It is much faster than my Storm 1.  I use the voice prompts so I don't need to look at the screen.  The window mount will work on the window or dash or console.  It is very adaptable.  The mount has a magnet in it that switches on the navigation menu.

The navigation screen can use the map or satellite view.  With satellite view, you can access the street level view to see the turns at eye level.

It takes a while to get comfortable with all the settings.

The missed calls are in the call log but, I would like a better notice of missed calls.

I loaded 60 apps before I started deleting the ones that I don't really use.  App memory does not seem to be an issue.

Like Ned, I use the on screen keyboard and it is OK.  The "real" keyboard is nice if the Droid is flat on a table.

So far, I have not found anything that makes me want to send it back.  :)

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« Reply #61 on: November 18, 2009, 02:48:18 AM »
Like Ned, I use the on screen keyboard and it is OK.  The "real" keyboard is nice if the Droid is flat on a table.

When looking at units earlier this year, keyboards were a major issue. I was OK with my Motorola Q fixed keyboard - other than it lacked certain important (to me) keys. I am a good touch typist, and was pleased to find that "thumb" typing motor movements to keys translated very well. That was a phone like the older blackberries in that the keyboard and screen shared about half of the phone face. When I chose my current Samsung Omnia i910, I had to give up the manual keyboard for the on-screen concept. I didn't like the phones with slide out keyboards because they were too heavy/bulky -- and were referred to as "bricks" by reviewers. From what I read by some on this thread, that is still an issue.

Now that I have had my Omnia for 6 months or so, am still not a happy keyboard camper.  :( I find the on screen keyboard concept just, OK - but not very satisfying. The only good news is that multiple keyboards are available so there is no lack of certain keys. But other than that, screen touch typing is slow, inaccurate, and leaves the phone face very smudged by noon. As a result, I just don't do much text editing other than short notes and such.

The "still" neat concept of the Omnia that keeps me from going to another phone is the fact that I can use the screen keyboard, the stylus that comes with the phone, or the mouse cursor (that I haven't seen on any other phone}. The later is not a joy stick pointer, but rather the mouse pad movement type. I use all three extensively according to what my needs are. For most accurate texting, I revert to the stylus. And that is unfortunate because unlike "thumb" typing, my motor touch typing skills do not translate - and I am reduced to "hunting and pecking".

Anyway, that is my frustration with all the phone keyboards I have tried so far -- and I also messed with iPhones just to check out their on screen keyboards.  And they are the pits just as are most of the others. The Droid has turned my head, but from the reviews, it appears it is also "a brick". My question to those testing here, "is that true in your tests so far"? Am not close to a Vz store so can't check one out myself as yet. The 48gb  Omnia II is due out early next year, so am anxious to try that puppy out.

BTW. I believe the slide out keyboards are meant to be used by thumb typing vs. placing it on a table and trying to type as with a normal keyboard. Or did I mis read your post, Phil? Actually, that is true with the on screen keyboards a well. 

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« Reply #62 on: November 18, 2009, 04:04:11 AM »
Bob,

A "brick" is probably a good description of how the Motorola Droid felt to me. It's definitely heavy, and I wondered how long that slideout keyboard would last. The keys sure are small and close together, and I figured I would have far better chance of accuracy with one of the (larger) on-screen keyboards.

Obviously, others are far more comfortable with that small keyboard, and I can only smile with admiration as I watch the kids play with them, texting each other as they find a "live" device at a wireless store or booth.

On the HTC Droid Eris, I've been wishing I could use a stylus. Not wanting to risk damaging the screen, I tried a rubber-tipped stylus I have for Palm, but not surprisingly it wouldn't work.

I wish my camera choice had been this easy  ;D
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« Reply #63 on: November 18, 2009, 07:42:11 AM »
Hi Phil,

Thanks for that info. I finally figured out how to get the voice navigation. That certainly adds a plus to the unit. I find I use the virtual keyboard more than the pull out.

I agree the missed calls should be in a separate menu along with dialed calls and received calls. It's going to take a lot for me to adapt to the new method.
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« Reply #64 on: November 18, 2009, 07:54:18 AM »
Jim, for missed calls, open the Phone, click on Call Log on the top, and missed calls will have an angled red arrow next to them, above the day.

You're right about the screen size for a car GPS, especially for us older eyes.  For a walk around GPS, it's more than adequate, and the Google maps with street view is a nice feature.

Airplane mode is on the Wireless & Network Settings page, right above the  WiFi toggle button.  You might have hit it accidentally turning the WiFi on or off.  Get the Power Management application and use that instead of the menus to toggle the radios.
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« Reply #65 on: November 18, 2009, 08:01:37 AM »
I suspect the small keyboards are the source of a lot of the "leet speak" misspellings :)  A touch typist will never be comfortable with these, but I don't see how they can be larger without using the whole screen, blocking the field you're typing into.

Even with the slideout keyboard, the Droid is remarkably slim, just over .5".  I think the heft of it makes it feel like solid construction and the weight isn't that bad.  My Chocolate 3 always felt fragile, the Droid feels more like the old Nokia candy bar phones we all loved so well :)
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« Reply #66 on: November 18, 2009, 09:36:50 AM »
Ned,

What was your one-time buy-in cost and what is your monthly cost?

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« Reply #67 on: November 18, 2009, 10:27:07 AM »
The phone was $199 after a $100 mail in rebate.  The monthly cost is the $40 for my voice plan plus $30 for the unlimited data plan.  I saved the $5 I was paying for email on my previous phone, so the net is $70/month vs. the $45 I was paying.

If you are eligible for a new every two, I believe the cost is $149 for the phone.
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« Reply #68 on: November 18, 2009, 11:07:24 AM »
A touch typist will never be comfortable with these, but I don't see how they can be larger without using the whole screen, blocking the field you're typing into.

No really true, Ned. I was very compfortable with my MotoQ -- with similar real k/b to a blackberry, but better. I could go as fast thumb typing as the best kids in the neighborhood.  :) And with the Omnia and in horizontal mode, the keyboard allows several lines, say, in a Word document to view while typing. That's why I am asking about and looking forward to getting the feel of the Droid slide out k/b. It is larger than the real non slide k/b's - if it doesn't make the entire phone too bulky. If I recall seeing you with your older phone, you are an old huntandpecker stylus typist - so that wouldn't be an issue with you either way.

BTW, I assume the Droid shifts from horizontal to vertical display automatically. Someone asked about the keyboard lock. That's the reason for it. Otherwise, the touch keys w/make calls and the accelerometer would be buzzing in one's pocket all the time.  :)
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« Reply #69 on: November 18, 2009, 11:20:55 AM »
Bob, I'm a (good) touch typist and have never done thumb typing.  Too many years with computer keyboards.  Perhaps that's why I don't really like the slideout keyboard.  I want to touch type but can't.  The on screen keyboard forces me to type with one or two fingers and it drives me nuts to type so slow :)

Yes, the screen shifts from portrait to landscape automatically and forces landscape when the slide out keyboard is used.  The slide out keyboard has a 4 way directional pad with a center select button as well.
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« Reply #70 on: November 18, 2009, 11:28:10 AM »
BTW. I believe the slide out keyboards are meant to be used by thumb typing vs. placing it on a table and trying to type as with a normal keyboard. Or did I mis read your post, Phil? Actually, that is true with the on screen keyboards a well.  

Bob,

I can thumb type on either keyboard but, the screen keyboard has larger keys.  The audible feedback option on the screen keyboard helps a lot.  I can type much faster now than I could a few days ago and, I can type much faster on the Droid than I can on the BlackBerry.  "Practice makes perfect."  :) 

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« Reply #71 on: November 18, 2009, 11:30:41 AM »
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The slide out keyboard has a 4 way directional pad with a center select button as well.

It looked to me like that pad is taking up real estate, and caused the keys to be smaller &/or closer together. I've read similar comments in the reviews. While shopping, I saw other devices (not Droid, probably Blackberry) that had similar sized keys, but they were spaced further apart. I thought they'd give me a better chance of hitting the keys. Like Phil, I do OK with the on-screen keyboard, albeit a bit slow.
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« Reply #72 on: November 18, 2009, 12:04:53 PM »
I just had an AHA moment.  If I use the on screen keyboard in landscape mode the buttons are much larger and easier to use.  I've been using the screen almost exclusively in portrait mode.  Duh!
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« Reply #73 on: November 18, 2009, 12:09:19 PM »
LOL Ned, that's definitely a HFWPOH. I thought one or more of the messages in this topic already mentioned the larger keyboard in landscape. There are also apps in the Market with alternative and larger keyboards.

Now if only the slideout keyboard would enlarge.
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« Reply #74 on: November 18, 2009, 12:19:05 PM »
With the larger on screen keyboard, I find little use for the slideout keyboard.
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« Reply #75 on: November 18, 2009, 12:28:25 PM »
With the larger on screen keyboard, I find little use for the slideout keyboard.

Hmmmm. Then why buy a Smart Phone with a slide out keyboard?  ??? ??? From what I read so far in this thread, most prefer the screen version. My experience as a thumb typist is that the real keyboard is far easier to use - plus the screen is not smudged.

BTW, another alternative is to use a fold up bluetooth keyboard. I have considered getting one for those situations where I am away from my computers - but must respond to an email (or whatever), and have the need for more extensive typing.

Most come with a little docking station to place the Smartphone while typing.
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« Reply #76 on: November 18, 2009, 12:35:03 PM »
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That's what I asked myself in the store when comparing the Moto Droid and the HTC Droid Aris. Saved myself $100 and avoided hanging a brick on my belt by coming to that conclusion before buying.

I wondered if there was a folding keyboard available. Haven't used one since my earlier Palm days.
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« Reply #77 on: November 18, 2009, 01:05:56 PM »
That's what I asked myself in the store when comparing the Moto Droid and the HTC Droid Aris. Saved myself $100 and avoided hanging a brick on my belt by coming to that conclusion before buying.

I wondered if there was a folding keyboard available. Haven't used one since my earlier Palm days.

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« Reply #78 on: November 18, 2009, 01:51:13 PM »
Bob, the other advantages of the Droid are more important to me than the slideout keyboard, but it comes with the phone :)  I may get used to it and use it, I just haven't given it a good trial.
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« Reply #79 on: November 18, 2009, 01:56:30 PM »
One thing I haven't yet found on the Android on-screen keyboard is a delete key. Must be there somewhere  ???  The small joystick works fine for right & left cursor movement.

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« Reply #80 on: November 18, 2009, 01:58:06 PM »
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« Reply #81 on: November 18, 2009, 02:03:49 PM »
Delete key is lower right, above the Go (or Next) key, right next to the m key.
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« Reply #82 on: November 18, 2009, 02:20:03 PM »
That's the backspace key on this device.
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« Reply #83 on: November 18, 2009, 02:40:21 PM »
Backspace deletes the previous character.  On my keyboard it's labeled 'Del', but does the same function as backspace.
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« Reply #84 on: November 18, 2009, 02:53:42 PM »
As I said, that's the backspace on this device. I wonder if the default on-screen keyboard layout changed with Android 2.0, released this month. The Moto Droid uses 2.0, and I'm awaiting the 2.0 update from HTC. Meanwhile, I'll go look at some of those alternate keyboard apps.
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« Reply #85 on: November 18, 2009, 03:21:36 PM »
Regardless of the key name, it does the same thing.  Delete the previous character and move the cursor one space to the left.  Isn't that what it does on your keyboard or is it non-destructive?
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« Reply #86 on: November 18, 2009, 03:23:11 PM »
"I know nothinnnng" remember Hogans Heroes? (My namesake)

   Tom, does the Droid/Druid whatever, allow you to high-light a word or line? If so, the Delete key may work. I'll go back into my hole now...  ;D

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« Reply #87 on: November 18, 2009, 03:30:51 PM »
As I said, that's the backspace on this device. I wonder if the default on-screen keyboard layout changed with Android 2.0, released this month.

Yep -- that's one of the keys I found frustrating when I first began using a smartphone. The Del key deletes forward, and the backspace backwards. And each has it's place when text editing. If you are at the beginning of a sentence or paragraph and want to delete -- you must move the insertion cursor to the end of the text. I can understand that on a fixed keyboard, but on the screen keyboards there should be one of each. My other pet peeve in the fixed keyboard was that there is only one Shift key! An older fellow could break a thumb working with that . . .  :)

BTW -- I hope you can Cut and Paste on the Droid/s? And have all the neat Word edit keys such a single, double, and triple clicks to highlight words, sentences, paragraphs, and docs -- and sync whatever files with your PC?
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« Reply #88 on: November 18, 2009, 03:39:25 PM »
Carson, a double click with the fingertip will select a word in a text box.  Delete works as expected.

Bob, my keyboards have only a delete key and it works as a backspace key.  There is no key labeled Backspace, just Del.  The slideout keyboard has 2 shift keys and they work as expected.  Cut/Copy is done by highlighting the text and press and hold on the text box.  Once text is cut or copied it can be pasted.
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« Reply #89 on: November 18, 2009, 03:49:10 PM »
The Delete key on our desktop and laptop keyboards and my wireless keyboards work as Bob described. The keyboards also have a key labeled Backspace. Maybe Toshiba saved a penny by leaving that delete function out   :o
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« Reply #90 on: November 18, 2009, 04:35:48 PM »
Our Toshiba notebook has both keys, my Droid has the backspace key labeled Del.  There is a graphic below the Del label that shows it functions as a backspace key however.

One other nit, the Home page doesn't shift to landscape, it stays in portrait mode.  This includes the Quick Search bar.  But since Voice Search is available on the home page, that's not a big problem.  Voice search is one of the neater features.
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« Reply #91 on: November 18, 2009, 04:54:13 PM »
>> Bob, my keyboards have only a delete key and it works as a backspace key.  There is no key labeled Backspace, just Del.
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If doing any kind of text edit volume, that is too bad. DEL "should" delete the characer under the cursor - and continue forward doing that, whereas Backspace deletes the character to the left of the cursor and continues in that direction. If you only have a Backspace key, you must move to the right of anything you want to delete. You should be able to delete in either direction according to where the stuff is you want to delete vs. having to make a round trip from your current position.

>> The slideout keyboard has 2 shift keys and they work as expected.
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Terrific!! I'll bet that was based on a lot of negative feedback on the single shift keyboards. Ned, based on my experience with thumbing a fixed keyboard vs. the on screen keyboards, if you learn thumbing, you will probably be glad you have the fixed keyboard. You touch type, so the motor movements do not have to be relearned with thumbing - whereas with single touch with finger or stylus, you must think about where each key is located. And, FWIW, my thumbs sure prefer those raised keys.

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« Reply #92 on: November 18, 2009, 05:01:13 PM »
Ned,

I've seen the call log. Seems I haven't had any missed calls. Sure not as convenient as the standard listings. Something else to get use to doing. I do have the power management app. Normally I never go to the screen where those options are listed. Have no idea how I did it but I must have turned it off somehow.

I guess using the mapping with voice commands could work as long as you could trust it. :-) Need a lot more time playing before I decide!
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« Reply #93 on: November 18, 2009, 05:03:33 PM »
Well, every device seems to be a set of compromises and doesn't please everyone.  Personally, I won't be doing a lot of text editing on the Droid, that's what my real computers are for, so I don't miss the true delete key.  Most of my errors are fixed with a backspace.

I'll give the slideout keyboard a fair trial, but expect I'll use the onscreen one most of the time.
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« Reply #94 on: November 18, 2009, 05:05:06 PM »
Jim, one thing I found I have to watch is to not inadvertently press the volume key.  If it goes all the way down, all sounds are shut off.
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« Reply #95 on: November 18, 2009, 05:28:27 PM »
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Our Toshiba notebook has both keys, my Droid has the backspace key labeled Del.

Ah, I thought you were saying your regular computer keyboards didn't have a delete key that functions as a "forward delete". Since every computer I recall owning had both keys, each performing different functions, I've been rummaging around all my old computers. I even looked at my old luggable Tandy 1400LT and my first lightweight laptop, the TI 2000, sitting in the recycle pile in the garage. Both have the two keys which perform different functions.

Back to my question - has anyone found the delete key (not a mis-labeled backspace key) on the Android on-screen keyboard? I'm asking because I found a need.
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« Reply #96 on: November 18, 2009, 05:43:16 PM »
Tom:

You mentioned the joystick for moving the cursor. The screen is a touch screen that allows you to tap to relocate the cursor doesn't it?
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« Reply #97 on: November 18, 2009, 06:15:39 PM »
Yes it is Jeff. But the Droid Eris also has a small multi-function trackball (sorry, I called it a joystick) located below the screen that I can roll my thumb over to move the cursor. It also performs several other functions, such as popping up the on-screen keyboard (by depressing it), and it has an integral light for some notifications (haven't figured out which ones).

One challenge for me is when I want to insert the cursor into the middle of text with very small font, such as the address bar of an RSS reader. I can't accurately put the cursor in the right place by tapping the screen.
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« Reply #98 on: November 19, 2009, 08:01:34 AM »
Jim, one thing I found I have to watch is to not inadvertently press the volume key.  If it goes all the way down, all sounds are shut off.

Yep,  That's probably what did it!! Thanks.
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« Reply #99 on: November 19, 2009, 11:44:17 AM »
Tom:

You mentioned the joystick for moving the cursor. The screen is a touch screen that allows you to tap to relocate the cursor doesn't it?

Jeff, my experience with the Omnia touch screen is that my finger is too wide to locate the insertion point properly. I use the mouse pointer or my finger nail. The most effective way is via the stylus -- but that is also the slowest way of data entry.

Unfortunately, my keyboards do not have Cursor Keys - which would allow finger touch entry, then a quick adjustment if off a character or two.

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« Reply #100 on: November 19, 2009, 02:08:50 PM »
does the Droid have cursor keys?

The keyboard on the Motorola Droid has cursor keys.

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« Reply #101 on: November 19, 2009, 03:14:16 PM »
The slideout keyboard does, but not the onscreen.
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.... I'm awaiting the 2.0 update from HTC.

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« Reply #103 on: November 21, 2009, 10:52:54 PM »
Just a heads up on the Motorola Droid!  This phone does NOT allow for tethering, and won't until sometime in 2010 possibly according to Verizon!!  :o

For those that don't know what tethering is, it is a FEATURE (not a plan) that allows you to "tether" your phone as a modem to your computer for $30/month with no 2 year commitment.  You can start/stop this FEATURE anytime during the month at no cost. (On the other hand, If you use an aircard for your Broadband access, this is a "PLAN", and it costs $60/month with no start/stop, and it comes with a 2-year commitment.)  You can see the immense value in tethering vs. aircards.

This will definately knock this phone out of the running in a couple of months when my NE2 is here!!!!!  Looks more and more like the new Blackberry code name "Essex" (the Tour replacement) will still lead the running when it is time for me to upgrade.
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« Reply #104 on: November 22, 2009, 12:39:36 AM »
Just a heads up on the Motorola Droid!  This phone does NOT allow for tethering, and won't until sometime in 2010 possibly according to Verizon!!  :o

Oh, excuse me but, my Motorola Droid tethers very nicely.  VZ Access Manager from Verizon will not be available until 2010 but, third party software works great right now.

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« Reply #105 on: November 22, 2009, 07:40:14 AM »
Tethering wasn't even on my list of desired features when I considered the smart phones.  With all the capabilities of the Droid, I have no need for tethering.  But, in case I should, ;) what software are you using, Phil?
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« Reply #106 on: November 22, 2009, 10:09:12 AM »
My only quibble is with the tiny space allotted for apps...256 meg. I have over 30 apps on my iPhone+ the 12 built in ones. The reviewers say that 2 big apps can fill a droid up.

What?  Mine came with a 16GB SD card and I have been able to find and install 75% of my favorite iPhone apps w/o problems.  I have an iPhone for work and a Droid for personal use - I run SpeedTest periodically and the Verizon network has crushed AT&T (even in 3G areas) every single time.
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« Reply #107 on: November 22, 2009, 10:24:55 AM »
Ned:

Phil and I used PDANET software to tether our Palms for several years and I would guess he is using their beta for the Droid.
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« Reply #108 on: November 22, 2009, 10:36:41 AM »
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« Reply #109 on: November 22, 2009, 12:12:58 PM »
Tethering wasn't even on my list of desired features when I considered the smart phones.  With all the capabilities of the Droid, I have no need for tethering.  But, in case I should, ;) what software are you using, Phil?

I use PDANet now.  I hope to receive a trial version of VZAccess before the end of the year.

Tethering is great for those times that you are camped under a tree and the dish is blocked.  ;D

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« Reply #110 on: November 22, 2009, 12:28:19 PM »
Why would I camp under a tree? :)
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« Reply #111 on: November 22, 2009, 02:07:20 PM »
Shade? ;D
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« Reply #112 on: November 22, 2009, 02:25:41 PM »
Shade is overrated.  We'll park anywhere that we can see 127W :)
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« Reply #113 on: November 22, 2009, 08:28:29 PM »
Why would I camp under a tree? :)

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« Reply #114 on: November 22, 2009, 08:37:43 PM »
I like shade, and it doesn't bother either of my air cards  ;)  Having experienced good T-mobile coverage across the US and the Maritimes (expensive), I'm looking forward to even better coverage with the VZW air card, even under a shade tree.
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« Reply #115 on: November 22, 2009, 09:23:29 PM »
Tethering wasn't even on my list of desired features when I considered the smart phones.  With all the capabilities of the Droid, I have no need for tethering.  But, in case I should, ;) what software are you using, Phil?

Ned, I really didn't have you specifically in mind when I posted about the tethering issue with the Droid....It was about others who might be interested in this issue.   ;)
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« Reply #116 on: November 22, 2009, 09:54:03 PM »
But tethering is possible, and others might be interested in knowing that :)
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« Reply #117 on: November 22, 2009, 09:59:35 PM »
Well Ned...glad you are interested in tethering!   Maybe you should add that to your list next time!   ;)

For the other members here who are interested in tethering the Droid, Verizon does not support tethering the Droid....yet. For now, you can use third party applications to get around this (like PDAnet).  Verizon will support tethering sometime in 2010....

HERE is a good link about tethering the Droid, and this forum looks like a good place for info about the Motorola Droid.   :)
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« Reply #118 on: November 22, 2009, 10:31:14 PM »
Daniel Eran Dilger writing in the 4th article on iPhone vs Android as platforms at http://test.roughlydrafted.com/ states that the Droid app space is 200 megs of built in memory. It can hold lots of useful apps, but games tend to be huge and some are larger than 200 meg. The SD cards hold music, photos, and data. Article goes into details of the differing design philosophies.

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« Reply #119 on: November 22, 2009, 11:00:18 PM »
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The way you are researching the Droid you must be thinking about dumping your IPods. ;D ;D
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As I said, tethering wasn't a consideration when I made the choice of the Droid.  It's nice to know it can be done, but it had no effect on my decision.
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« Reply #121 on: November 23, 2009, 09:52:27 AM »
Jeff...bite your tongue! (The way you are researching the Droid you must be thinking about dumping your IPods.)

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« Reply #122 on: December 02, 2009, 01:54:50 PM »
Just curious what folks are seeing for battery life on Android devices. I can go a day, maybe longer, depending on how much I'm using apps and data. My phone usage is relatively low.

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« Reply #123 on: December 02, 2009, 02:23:24 PM »
A day is about right if you leave any of the radios on, like GPS, and use the apps a lot.  I charge mine every night, even though it may only be down to 50-60%.  It will continue to discharge overnight, of course, unless you turn it off.  I waiting for the desk cradle to become available.  You drop the Droid into it and it charges while acting as a clock and weather station.
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« Reply #124 on: December 02, 2009, 04:03:32 PM »
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My HTC  Mobile is good for a day but if I have Bluetooth on and use data it is really low by 6-8PM. I played with both the Motorola and HTC Droids the other night and the difference in weight must be the keyboard and the battery. ::) (Still like the HTC over the Motorola)
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Me too Jeff, and I like the price difference also. Can't see paying an additional $100 for a keyboard that folks say they can't use.
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« Reply #126 on: December 02, 2009, 11:13:42 PM »
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I can get almost two days out of the Droid battery but I don't use it that much. I'm still not comfortable with the feel of it as a phone. I think tomorrow I will go back to Verizon and try other alternatives. I love what it can do but much of it is beyond what I really need. The Droid Eris might be an alternative as I have held it and it feels more like a cell phone which is what I really need. ;D
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Re: Android platform phones
« Reply #127 on: December 03, 2009, 12:17:37 AM »
Just curious what folks are seeing for battery life on Android devices. I can go a day, maybe longer, depending on how much I'm using apps and data. My phone usage is relatively low.

I am a heavy user of internet on my Motorola Droid.  I charge it every night and it lasts all day.

p.s. I like the "real" keyboard now that I am used to it.  :)
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Re: Android platform phones
« Reply #128 on: December 03, 2009, 08:20:23 AM »
A smart phone is more like a portable computer than a cell phone so if the battery lasts a whole day, that's not bad.  And if you don't use the internet features of the phone, then you probably don't need a smart phone :)

I'm getting much better at using the on screen keyboard in landscape, the buttons are larger that way.  But the pullout keyboard has better tactile feedback.
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Re: Android platform phones
« Reply #129 on: December 05, 2009, 10:45:12 AM »
And if you don't use the internet features of the phone, then you probably don't need a smart phone :)

One of the reasons I returned my Droid. It certainly wasn't designed as a phone. It has many great features but, as you said, you must use them. I now have an LG ENV3 with a flip out key board just in case I ever need to text.:-)
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Re: Android platform phones
« Reply #130 on: December 05, 2009, 11:17:36 AM »
I'll probably return my Droid Eris before the 30 days is up, and get a regular phone. Anything I can do on the Droid machine, besides the phone feature, can also be done on my iPod Touch, without paying an additional $30/month for data. With the exception of maybe checking the forum while wandering around WM, most times I use the data features I'm also in range of a WiFi signal.
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« Reply #131 on: December 05, 2009, 11:44:36 AM »
I've had the LG enV3 for about 10 days now and so far like it a lot. The inside flip up qwerty keyboard and large display is handy, even if you don't text or email from the phone much. As a phone, it works fine and I don't ever have to open the flip if i don't care to.  And no extra $30/month for data services, but I can still run the GPS navigation or internet browsing apps on the big screen if I want them. Has a decent 3 mp camera with flash, too. Seems like a good compromise for those of us who want a phone more than a computer, but still want to have access to the high tech goodies should the need arise.
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Re: Android platform phones
« Reply #132 on: December 05, 2009, 12:06:05 PM »
A smart phone is more like a portable computer than a cell phone so if the battery lasts a whole day, that's not bad.  And if you don't use the internet features of the phone, then you probably don't need a smart phone :)

I'm getting much better at using the on screen keyboard in landscape, the buttons are larger that way.  But the pullout keyboard has better tactile feedback.

Well said, young fellow . . .  :)  Am always impressed when you use phrases like, "Tactile Feedback" . . .

Not sure if anyone mentioned it, but a headset is the answer to holding a Smartphone when making/receiving calls. Also, it gets the uinit away from ones ear and head - in case there is anything to occasional studies indicating that may cause brain cancer.
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« Reply #133 on: December 05, 2009, 12:27:44 PM »
A Bluetooth headset is really nice for extensive calling.  I use my Jawbone all the time at home when making any call longer than a few minutes.  Of course, turning the BT radio on does shorten the battery life, but I can still get through the day even with it on.

If you like "tactile feedback" you'll love "haptic feedback", when the phone vibrates when you press a softkey :)
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« Reply #134 on: December 05, 2009, 01:14:23 PM »
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I played with both the Motorola and HTC Droids the other night... (Still like the HTC over the Motorola)

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Verizon is currently running an ad for a second Driod Eris free if you buy one at the discount price of $100. You could have one in each hand, but you'd need to turn on voice navigation  ;D
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« Reply #135 on: December 05, 2009, 01:16:39 PM »
Watching the stuff being done by grandkids and their friends (6 year olds) on the Droid and iPods while we were camped last week, I was starting to feel obsolete  :(
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« Reply #136 on: December 05, 2009, 07:13:08 PM »
Jeff,

Verizon is currently running an ad for a second Driod Eris free if you buy one at the discount price of $100. You could have one in each hand, but you'd need to turn on voice navigation  ;D

Tom:

Just the thought of handing Sue an Eris and saying "Here Hon, this is your new phone." is good for a laugh. ;D
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« Reply #137 on: December 12, 2009, 11:02:31 AM »
My phone received the update to 2.0.1 yesterday.  While there are some apparent cosmetic changes, the biggest, and most welcome, change is the apparent longer battery life.  Normally, after a typical day, my battery would be at about 50% so I would charge it overnight.  It's now been over 24 hours without charging and it's still at 70%.
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« Reply #138 on: January 27, 2010, 12:07:30 AM »
I live in a poor area for cell phone reception and this phone shows 3G most all the time, and I can even get wireless network off my router. I just purchased the new Droid and for the first day I am very happy with the reception. Does anyone else have any comments towards this phone?

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I got a DROID right after they first came out. I can compare it to the Eris and many Windows based Smartphones as well as the Palm Pre from actual use.

The Droid is a very solid feeling phone. A rectangular sideways slider, it fits in average to large hands easily. If you have small hands, not so much although I'm sure some will do okay with it.

The exterior finish is a sort of rubberized coating over plastic and metal. It isn't easily scratched and doesn't show fingerprints unlike some phones. The Droid has a very professional look to it.

As a phone it works well. Nothing special. A competent phone with an easy to use touch dialer and nice call list. Adding contacts from calls made or received is simple. What really makes the Droid is all the other things it does well.

The display is brilliant but also consumes a lot of battery power. This is on par with most smartphones that have larger displays and the Droid has a large display, larger than the iPhone and the same as the new Windows Mobile phones like the Omnia and Imagio.

The display BTW is not easily scratched so buying screen protectors is more a waste of money than actually protecting the display. There is no stylus so your finger is the way to operate the Droid other than the small keyed keyboard. The display tracks your touch nearly instantly and accurately. With a drawing app, it is easily possible to draw straight lines and anything else you want. Tapping to open apps works like a charm and the tactile feedback lets you know if you touched what you thought you wanted to.

The system of the DROID (Android) doesn't have multi-touch like an iPhone where you pinch or push out to make things larger or smaller. To do that right now you'll need to rely on applications to provide that function. For example, using the standard web browser, you can't pinch the display to make a page larger or smaller. You tap or double tap it and are limited to incremental changes in size. If you want to use the pinch and push apart to zoom and shrink, you can download a free web browser called Dolphin and it works just like that. Very nice.

Speaking of web browsing, if you are in a 3G service location, it is very very fast. Pages appear very close to how they would on your PC and if you use the Dolphin browser, it is nearly identical.

The physical controls of the Droid are also easy to use but there are some aspects of using them that take some getting used to. For example, to use the camera you can tap the camera app icon or press and hold the camera button which is along side the lower right side of the Droid. The caveat here is that you can't just press it quickly and expect the camera to activate. You need to press and hold it until you get tactile feedback (which you can turn off btw) and the camera activates. While on this topic, the camera takes very good pictures, just make sure the lighting is good as low light shots are not the best thing the Droid camera does. Sending a picture is simple, call up the camera menu and choose what you want to do with the picture.

The Droid camera also takes video and does it ever. Jitter free video is easy and the quality of the video is nothing short of amazing. If home movies are your thing, the Droid delivers. The video files can get large real fast though, just so you know. It is worth it.

As a media player, watching movies is bearable because no matter what, the screen is still only 3.7" in size. If you've ever used one of those really small TVs and can deal with that, the Droid as a movie player will work.

Playing music is good too. While it isn't an iPod it is about as easy to use and anything could be. The music quality is equal to any other portable device and like any of them, the quality is largely dependent on the quality of the music source.

The Droid can also record voice and music, via the built-in microphone or by using the audio jack. The quality is tops.

Battery life is ok but nothing spectacular. If you use the browser, camera, GPS and email quite a bit, the battery will not last the day. Some may say they can do all of that and still have battery power at the end of the day (for me, say early evening when I'd usually charge the phone) but that isn't going to happen. To avoid being caught with a dead battery, charge it when you can anytime you can. The Droid begs to be used and use will drain the battery, as with any smartphone.

The built-in and available free software is fantastic. The iPhone has over 100,000 apps but I have yet to see someone using more than a few favorites. On the Droid, Google Maps is a reason all by itself to buy the Droid. The GPS makes the Droid a very suitable tool for highly accurate mapping so long as you have cell phone service. Remember, the Droid needs to have an Internet connection for the maps to work. While the built-in GOS will work anywhere, the maps come via the Internet. No internet, no maps.

Using the GPS though is as easy as talking. Say where you want to go and Google maps and the Droid's GPS will get you there. Voice searching is very accurate unless you are slurping or burping you way through food and drink.

One other very valuable way to use the Droid is for instant weather and I don't mean just a list of the weather and a forecast. using a free downloadable app you can see a radar map based on your GPS location. That means you can see where the storm is heading and make a good decision whether to continue for another hour or stay put for the night. Wonderful. You tap on the app and just watch the display. In seconds you have a radar map. You can also use your finger to scroll the map to another location or set a different location as the default.  Nothing is better.

If you use the "weather.com" app, you can set a number of locations and all the weather forecasts will be updated all the time. This is great for planning weekend trips. Simply monitor the places you might want to go and then pick the one with the best weather!

Using email is also simple although it is designed to work seamlessly with Google's Gmail. The mail delivery is good and timely and it just works. Since last year when the Droid came out, I have never had a problem with email and the Droid. I also use it with corporate email ala Exchange and Outlook. Perfect, not one glitch.

Customizing the Droid is easy too. First, there are plenty of free apps and personalizing the display is simple and easy. On the hardware side, there are plenty of cases, holders and car mounts available. Get the docking Station. At night you slip the Droid into the dock and since it lays sideways, it looks like a digital alarm clock.

The Droid works well with bluetooth also. I use both a Plantronics PT510 and a Jabra Halo stereo headset and both work just like they should. Sound is clear and handsfree operation is plainless. There will always be some bluetooth accessories that work better or worse but these two models worked great for me.

The built-in speaker is very good and in speaker phone mode it is nice and loud and the sound quality is very clear. You can use it on the table and easily have a conference call without someone thinking you never left the restroom at the Union 76 truckstop.

The Droid has WiFi so in places where there is a HotSpot you can use WiFi instead of it's own highspeed connection. I rarely use the WiFi since the service is so fast. In areas without service though of is you have cable modem or DSL and a WiFi router available, you can use the Droid on WiFi for email, downloading large files or web browsing.

Storage is a 16 gigabyte SD card that resides under the battery. You can swap the memory cards out but it is tedious to remove the card to do this. Instead just use the USB cable that comes with the Droid to connect it to your PC. Then from your PC you can copy/move/delete files on the Droid.

The Droid's sideout keyboard is ok but nothing fantastic. The keys are small so if you have thick fingers be prepared to have some patience. I recommend using the on-screen keyboard. There is a work completion feature so you don't have to type the entire word, just pick from a list of of close or exact matches and you can really get a lot of text into an email.

When using the keyboard, the display rotates as it also does when shifting the Droid from portrait to landscape mode. The changes is very fast so it doesn't make you wait.

What would I like to see improved on the Droid? A higher capacity battery and a 4" display. Battery charge is always an issue with a smartphone and no, none of the smartphones on the market today last longer on battery if they are used the same way. It will be within minutes of staying power, not hours for sure.

A 4" display would make viewing camera videos better and it would also make for better viewing of pictures. The web browser would be easier to use for reading news and the GPS/Maps would be easier to see. On the other hand, it would make the phone larger so you can't have it all.

It seems the Droid is always compared to the iPhone and there is an iPhone vs Droid war out there between some folks. But children will be children so let them at it. I like the Droid but it isn't going to kill off the iPhone anymore than the iPhone is going to stop anyone else from making and selling smartphones.

If you'd like to read what I have to say about the Palm Pre, Palm Eris, Blackberry Storm, Imagio or Omnia, let me know and I'll write something up about them too. I have used all and have all at my disposal, not just for a day but an on-going basis.

One last thing. The Eris is easier to use. No kidding. It has a difference interface to it and is super simple to use. Easier than the Droid? You bet. Better than the Droid over all? No, just different.
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Re: Android platform phones
« Reply #139 on: January 27, 2010, 08:18:10 AM »
crackodawn, what a GREAT and in-depth review!  Thanks so much!
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