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Re: Android platform phones
« Reply #30 on: November 12, 2009, 01:54:18 PM »
Phil,

Just curious why you're switching from Storm to Droid. I'm about to pass on Droid, and I'm awaiting a call from our nearest Costco to let me know the Storm2 has arrived. Hopefully I'll get a chance to try both live alongside each other, although this particular wireless booth tends to have more dummy display models than working ones.

I had Chris ported over from T-mobile to VZ with a new phone recently, and I'll add me on the family plan if/when I get a phone, smart or otherwise.

Tom,

Let's wait until my 30 days are up before we say I switched.  ;D

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« Reply #31 on: November 12, 2009, 02:03:57 PM »
Phil,

Let me ask the question a different way ...

Why are you considering a switch to Droid? Are there any specific advantages of Droid vs Storm2?

I just received the awaited call letting me know the Storm2 is in, so I'd like to understand what I might be missing if I pass on the Droid.

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« Reply #32 on: November 12, 2009, 02:09:31 PM »
Interesting Bob. I might pop over to a VZ store, make a decision, then go shop at Costco.

I realize you're not an Apple fan but, if AT&T had better coverage, I might have opted for an iPhone.

Here's a Droid vs. Storm2 review video. The sound is not too good, but it should help out. The biggest OOPs I noticed was the speed of the Storm2. The reviewer goes on with the Droid each time while waiting for the Storm2 to catch up with each load.

http://www.cellaz.com/news/5084/video-motorola-droid-vs-blackberry-storm2/
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« Reply #33 on: November 12, 2009, 02:23:15 PM »
Phil,

Let me ask the question a different way ...

Why are you considering a switch to Droid? Are there any specific advantages of Droid vs Storm2?

I just received the awaited call letting me know the Storm2 is in, so I'd like to understand what I might be missing if I pass on the Droid.

TIA.

Tom,

1. The Storm2 is high on my list if the Droid does not work out.

2. I want to see how Google Navigation compares to VZNavigator.

3. The Palm Pre and Iphone are not available on Verizon right now.

Phil
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Re: Android platform phones
« Reply #34 on: November 12, 2009, 10:21:52 PM »
Ned:

What was the cost? When I tried the New Every Two online upgrade it was $200, the same as a new 2 year contract??? I guess that is what Jim was getting.
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« Reply #35 on: November 12, 2009, 10:33:35 PM »
My source of info is the reviewer's comments. Mossberg, I think it was stated that only internal memory could be used to run apps.

My interest is only as a bystander as the iPhone is so great,
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« Reply #36 on: November 12, 2009, 11:01:01 PM »
Sounds like phone companies have not learned they need to change. Glad I'm no longer associated with them!

After playing with the DROID for a day I think I might go back to a regular phone. It sure has a lot of features that are neat but, for my needs, they exceed my requirements. I'm sure those, like you, who have a need for the functions will find it valuable. Since my main use for a phone is to make calls and play Tetris while waiting for Pat I guess it's overkill. ;D
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« Reply #37 on: November 12, 2009, 11:04:22 PM »
Jim:

My Verizon 6900 still treats data as a feature so I can turn it all on/off and every month I get the bill and ask myself exactly what was it that I needed data for this month. ::)
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« Reply #38 on: November 13, 2009, 03:20:10 AM »
Thanks for the link Bob. I don't know what to make of the apparent browser issue on the Storm2; Can't believe they'd be able to sell a product that was that slow. I've been playing with an iPod (uses the Safari browser) hooked up via WiFi, and it's fast. But then it's WiFi via a router to a cable modem.

Phil, thanks for the rationale.
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Re: Android platform phones
« Reply #39 on: November 13, 2009, 07:05:41 AM »
Jeff, since I wasn't eligible for a New Every 2 discount, I ordered over the phone.  The price was $299 and there is a mail in rebate for $100 so the price is the same as the NE2 or a new account.
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« Reply #40 on: November 13, 2009, 09:11:18 AM »
Jeff,

I know what you mean. Been doing that with HBO/Max for a long time. Going to drop that also. ;D
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« Reply #41 on: November 13, 2009, 11:48:16 AM »
I've been playing with an iPod (uses the Safari browser) . . .

An iPod with a browser  ???  :)

That brings up the fact that as SmartPhones move along, the need for music boxes is less and less. Have not used my iPod since I got my Omnia Smart Phone earlier this year. Being Windows based, I just drag music and videos over via WinExplorer. Happiness is saying goodbye to iTunes . . .

As far as the review video is concerned, I would check it out at a Vz store as well. In Goodyear, I was fortunate to find a Vz sales person that knew the Omnia very well. Another thing I do is ask how many of the sales force at a store have the phone I am looking at as their personal phone. In Goodyear, 4 of them had Omnia's.
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Re: Android platform phones
« Reply #42 on: November 13, 2009, 12:17:04 PM »
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An iPod with a browser  ???

Yes, it's the iPod that looks like an iPhone, has all the same features, but doesn't have the phone feature. While looking around for a phone recently, I bought the iPod so I could see what those features were and how well they worked, without committing to an AT&T plan.

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... ask how many of the sales force at a store have the phone I am looking at as their personal phone.

That's what got me looking closer at Blackberry products.
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« Reply #43 on: November 13, 2009, 01:56:40 PM »
That would be the iPod Touch.
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« Reply #44 on: November 13, 2009, 07:55:17 PM »
Change of plans...

After playing around with several phones today, I ruled out the Motorola Droid because it's too heavy and the keyboard is too small. I also ruled out the Storm2 because of the clunky on-screen keyboard. I don't mean to suggest that there's anything "wrong" with either of these phones, they're just not for me.

I opted for the HTC Droid Eris. It runs the Android OS, has access to all the same stuff as the Motorola Droid, and is much lighter. The Eris cost $99 after $100 rebate, but I had to buy it at a VZ corporate store. So, instead of the Costco 90 days, I have only 30 days to change my mind.

I'll let you know how it works out. Meanwhile, I'll probably be returning the iPod whateveritscalled.
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« Reply #45 on: November 13, 2009, 10:54:38 PM »
I did a little checking last night back can't find where the Droid lists VZAccess Manager.

Jeff,

I ran some speed tests with the Droid tethered with PDA net and it is about the same speed as the Storm using VZ Access Manager.  Verizon told me that VZ Access Manager will available "soon."  :)

The Droid can also be used as a USB Wifi adapter while it is tethered.  If the Droid has internet access from either Verizon or Wifi, it will let the tethered computer use the internet.

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« Reply #46 on: November 13, 2009, 11:03:56 PM »
Tom,

I agree with your assessment of the DROID. It is heavy and the key board is really small. I really don't need all the bells and whistles and the text is really difficult to read even at zoom. I expect I'll return mine next week. I'd like something that's easy to use but has a removable card for data. Will have to do more research.

It's going to be hard to beat my Motorola 385I for ease of use. I think that's the model. :) It just doesn't have extra features.
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« Reply #47 on: November 13, 2009, 11:17:13 PM »
Im waiting on the Blackberry "Essex" which will be replacing the Blackberry Tour out now.....hopefully in a month or so!   ;)
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« Reply #48 on: November 14, 2009, 02:03:00 AM »
Change of plans...

I opted for the HTC Droid Eris.

Tom:

I have been using a Verizon (HTC) 6900 for a year and a half running Windows Mobile. Good little phone except the battery will barely last the day when using a lot of data. I'll be waiting to see how you like it. I looked at a Droid today and also don't care for the keyboard. I have been using Graffiti for over 10 years and will have to get used to someone's keyboard soon I guess; couldn't find mention of Android offering it.
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« Reply #49 on: November 14, 2009, 03:37:17 AM »
Jeff,

Android has something called 'Gestures' which allows app developers to build their own libraries equivalent to Graffiti. See here. I haven't yet looked for any apps using Gestures.

It's been quite a few years since I used Graffiti - on one of the early Palm Pilots. I wasn't really very accurate with it &/or it didn't have enough tolerance for my poor penmanship.
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« Reply #50 on: November 14, 2009, 05:08:11 AM »
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The biggest OOPs I noticed was the speed of the Storm2.

While I was a VZ store yesterday, I had an opportunity to run the Droid and the Storm2 alongside each other. On a test similar to the one in the video, there was very little difference in browser speed. In fact, on this limited test, the Storm2 rendered the page a fraction of a second faster than the Droid. Methinks there's something fishy about that review.

As mentioned in another message, I rejected the Storm2 for an unrelated reason.
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« Reply #51 on: November 14, 2009, 02:46:06 PM »
I think that I read somewhere that Verizon is expected to have an iPhone by Fall, 2010 -- perhaps an upgraded one. (No Apple bashers, please; it's just one available choice.)
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« Reply #52 on: November 14, 2009, 03:16:44 PM »
My latest favorite app for the iPhone is Cardstar.
It displays the barcode for reward program cards from grocery stores, bookstores, etc.

So far have entered about a dozen card and have used one- Fry's grocery. Fry's gas pump has laser card reader and may work there also. Safeway grocery gas pumps only have magstrip readers, so no go.
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« Reply #53 on: November 14, 2009, 03:35:54 PM »
(No Apple bashers, please; . . .)

Aw shucks . . .

An Apple Basher  :)
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« Reply #54 on: November 14, 2009, 09:56:48 PM »
My latest favorite app for the iPhone is Cardstar.
It displays the barcode for reward program cards from grocery stores, bookstores, etc.

So far have entered about a dozen card and have used one- Fry's grocery. Fry's gas pump has laser card reader and may work there also. Safeway grocery gas pumps only have magstrip readers, so no go.

Russ,

I'm glad that the iPhone finally got the barcode program.  ;D

(Yes, it's one of the apps on my Droid)

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« Reply #55 on: November 17, 2009, 05:03:49 PM »
I've had the Droid for 24 hours and have been able to explore many of its capabilities.

Pros: The large, bright, touch screen.  Gestures are easy to perform and the screen responds quickly. 

The home screen is actually 3 screens, with the other 2 accessible with a left or right swipe.  There is room for 12 application icons on each screen, giving quick access to up to 36 applications.  The Applications button gives access to all of the installed apps.  It's scrollable so there doesn't appear to be any limit. 

Storage is not a problem.  With 34 applications and several widgets installed, there is still about 232MB of internal storage left.  Pictures, videos, and songs are all stored on the included 16GB SD card. 

Plugging the USB cable in doesn't automatically mount the Droid as a disk drive, you tell it to mount via a notification message.  Unlike some of the reviewers, I consider this an advantage as it allows me to charge the Droid via USB and not have the device pop up as a drive every time I plug it in.  Copying files to and from the Droid is simple drag and drop.  No drivers were need when I connected it to my Vista 64 desktop and Windows 7 netbook.

The on screen keyboard is easy to use with a little practice.  I find I rarely use the slideout keyboard for text entry.

The browser is very good, displaying web pages clearly.  A double tap zooms in for pages not formatted for a small screen.

Once I entered my Google account credentials, the Droid picked up my Gmail contacts.  I did have to export my old phone book from the Verizon Backup Assistant web site to a CSV file and import it into Gmail, and then all those entries showed up in my contacts as well.  It even merged email addresses and phone numbers when the names matched.  There is one contact list for email, SMS, and voice calls.  It also picked up my Google calendars.

Setting up an IMAP account for my personal email was a snap.

The GPS mapping application is really nice.  John Dvorak may have been right when he said this could spell the end of the standalone GPS receivers :)  There's even a car mount available for the Droid.

Cons: It takes two motions to waken the phone, one to push the power button to wake it up, and then you slide a lock icon to the side to unlock the screen.  I suppose this makes it more foolproof with the touch screen.

To turn the various radios on and off (GPS, WiFi, Bluetooth) requires going into the settings menus and several clicks.  However, a Power application solves that giving one button toggling on the home screen.

Voice dialing isn't available with a Bluetooth headset, but that is expected to be added in a future update.  I've never made much use of that feature on my other phones so it isn't a real problem

Overall, I really like this phone.  Oh, it does make phone calls easily and the call quality was good for the few calls I've made and received.  My Jawbone BT headset paired with the Droid with no problems.  I haven't done much with the camera yet, but it's 5MP with autofocus.  It also takes video.  I've installed about a dozen applications, all free so far, and all have worked as designed.  A couple I tried didn't work will on this phone, and they were uninstalled.  There is an application manager that makes all this easy.  I did not install the flashlight app :)
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« Reply #56 on: November 17, 2009, 05:42:32 PM »
Funny you should post that Ned. I drafted this yesterday, but was going to wait until I've done more exploration before posting it.

I've only had the HTC Droid Eris for a little over a day, and I've only scratched the surface of its capabilities, but thought I'd share some immediate first impressions.

There's a lot of similarity between the user interface of Droid and iPod/iPhone.

I quickly got to appreciate what others have termed "free from iTunes". Being open source, it's so easy for folks to develop applications and make them available via Android Market. There's a huge number of apps available for download from the Market at the touch of an icon. Many apps are free, while others are relatively inexpensive.

On the flip side, this reminds me of all the apps that were available for the various Palm OS devices I've owned. I I'm also reminded that some of those apps were flaky, did not work, or caused the device to hang up. I've already experienced a couple of Android apps that are a bit flaky, and a number on the Market either have such comments in the reviews, or even have caveats posted by the author. This contrasts with Apple's philosophy of verifying software before it's released, and the software works.

WiFi works quite well, and I'm able to find and select from any sites in range. (I'm at home, so I know which ones are around us, in addiition to the one I have hooked to cable and one I have set up with my VZ air card and Cradlepoint router.)

Battery life looks like it's not much more than a day, but that's probably because I've been giving this device a workout. I'll get a better idea when I settle down to more normal usage.

So far, this looks like a keeper, but I'll be making a final decision before my 30 days is up.
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« Reply #57 on: November 17, 2009, 06:17:20 PM »
Your experience with buggy apps is consistent with mine.  The few that I did try that either didn't work or crashed, had reviews reporting the problems, but none of them had any effect on the OS nor did they lock up the phone.  I've had a number of lockups of my Palm T|X due to buggy apps.  I stick with those rated 4 stars or better now :)  I'll take the open source model of Android over Apple's draconian Apple store any day.

I didn't mention my speed test.  I got 1166kbps down and 589kbps up yesterday and 1906kbps down and 167kbps up just now in our marginal VZW area.
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« Reply #58 on: November 17, 2009, 07:53:24 PM »
I haven't seen any apps cause the device to crash, but several got hung up. There are numerous reports of apps crashing Android devices. I too only download the higher rated apps, but obviously some of those reviews aren't accurate.

I won't debate Apple vs anything, but their software and hardware work. Remember, I'm a PC guy  ;)

I didn't mention speed, because it's more a function of the network than the device. Can't recall all the numbers I got over the last few days, but just ran a test and got 2357 kbps down and 724 kbps up.

testmy.net on my PC using the 6Mb (they call it huge) test just gave me 3194 Kbps down. Up didn't work for some reason.
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« Reply #59 on: November 17, 2009, 10:58:59 PM »
I've had the DROID for about a week. It is slick and should be easy to use once you find all the pertinent information. I was at a mall today where I should have received a good signal. It wasn't until I got home that I found the phone was on airplane mode. I have no idea how it got there. That causes it not to work for anything other than apps. The "manual" is a fold out slick and glossy that shows the basic functions but you have to access the web to find the real instructions. Not something to do on the phone.

I find the screen for mapping is way too small to be visible by a driver of the vehicle. A window mount would definitely put it out of sight for most of us. :) I haven't found any voice prompts so one must watch the screen to see if they are on course. Voice prompts definitely would help replace separate GPS units.

I'm still undecided about this phone but it's fun to fool around with the various screens. I have not found a listing of missed calls as in most phones. It's a foreign world when compared to normal cell phones which means a learning curve that may or may not be steep.
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