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Nighttime Vandalism vs. RV's
« on: November 23, 2009, 10:04:55 AM »
I have a very nice, clean, late model, hi-top van conversion, in which I frequentily sleep on the streets at night, as I travel, to save money.  However, on a number of occasions, I have had someone throw a small ROCK (or other object) at my said camper, usually between the hours of 12 midnight to 3 a.m.  (2-3 a.m. is a VERY bad time for such street camping).  Such invariably leaves a big CHIP in the paint, or a knick on the windows glass.
I DON'T "camp" in bad neighborhoods, nor on remote industrial/commercial streets.  Have any of you, no matter what the circumstances (even RV parks), ever experienced such RV VANDALISM, no matter how "petty"?  I am male, aged 63, white.  I often think that such is RACIALLY motivated, or some local resident wanting to RID such camping from their neighborhood, no matter if it is my FIRST appearance there.  On one very recent occasion, during broad DAYLIGHT here in a very decent area of Mountain View, CA, a group of five young Hispanic youths, while running (ON FOOT) down the street at great speed, ran right by my van as it was PARKED.  Just as they passed, a ROCK hit my van, causing a big paint chip on the left upper side of the hi-top.  At first, I tried to pass-it-off as a mis-fired rock, intended for one of the Hispanics.  But, such was hardly the case.  As I exited my van, said youths were long down the street, and into the bushes.  THANKS for any comments about any SIMILAR type of incidents.  (END)
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Re: Nighttime Vandalism vs. RV's
« Reply #1 on: November 23, 2009, 12:49:04 PM »
My post here should have been "Nighttime Vandalism vs. RV's" (not RS's).  Sorry!

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« Reply #2 on: November 23, 2009, 01:05:13 PM »
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Re: Nighttime Vandalism vs. RV's
« Reply #3 on: November 23, 2009, 01:45:49 PM »
I have never experience any type of vandalism with my RV but then I do not camp on public streets.  Very few RV parks are worse than the streets.  

Moreover, in camping overnight in Mt. View you are violating the city's Municipal Code.   Section 19.111c says:   No vehicle parked upon any public street shall be occupied or used for dwelling purposes".

Camping in the streets, you are camping illegally.  It then is a question of who gets you first, vandals or ticket writing cops.
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Re: Nighttime Vandalism vs. RV's
« Reply #4 on: November 23, 2009, 02:07:33 PM »
I could not say I was a victim of vandalism per say, but one night we decided to spend the night by the beach. As it began to get night time, the daytime visitors began to leave, which we tought it was nice to be alone at night. As it got later, the young punks from the town (South Padre Island) began to cruise along the shore after the bars closed down. They were drunk and were being stupid. I was sitting outside the whole time with my porch light on to show presence, and my wife and kids were inside watching TV. I had piece of mind because I have a CCW and carry all the time on me. Plus I also have an AK-47 inside the coach, that my wife knows how to use very well. We were not worry, but we were annoyed cause they came to disturb our tranquility. After a couple of minutes, county sheriff showed up and began to round them up and kick them out. Funny thing is that one of the deputies approached me and told me that if we were planing to spend the night, he would advice us to arm ourselves for safety sake. I smile and told him "don't worry, we are covered (putting my hand over my hip)" he then smiles back and wishes us a good night. ;D  I love Texas!
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Re: Nighttime Vandalism vs. RV's
« Reply #5 on: November 23, 2009, 02:44:16 PM »
Camping on the streets is a really dumb thing to do, as you have been finding out. Yes, it is illegal in almost every community. If nothing else you can be cited for loitering. If you are in a strange town and you need a place to spend the night safely then sign up for this web site. If there are no places that you can find then your best bet is a Walmart, Cracker Barrel Restaurant, Flying J truck stop or a highway rest stop. If none of those are convenient then try motel or a hotel with a large parking lot. Or try a hospital or some other place that has 24 hour parking. But never in someone's neighborhood on the streets. There are gangs walking around all night in many neighborhoods and with your out of state plates you stick out like a sore thumb.

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« Reply #6 on: November 23, 2009, 03:22:00 PM »
I agree with Tom.  You really shouldn't be out on the street anywhere unless you have permission.  If I saw someone setting up shop or even just loitering in an RV on the street in front of my house, you can be darn sure I would find whether they belong to a neighbor or not and politely send them on their way if they weren't visiting someone.  (And I am an RV'er...imagine what a non-RV'er would be thinking).

A) Its usually against the law (it is in my county)
B) It invites vandalism
C) It's a street, not a rest stop...there are more appropriate "free" options, as pointed out above.

BTW, I would not throw rocks at you  ;)
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Re: Nighttime Vandalism vs. RV's
« Reply #7 on: November 23, 2009, 04:13:56 PM »
THANKS(!!) for all of your replies. 

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« Reply #8 on: November 23, 2009, 04:28:04 PM »
Phpvet,

I need to add another caution.  If you continue parking in residential areas, please avoid schools at all costs.  You'll panic everyone in the neighborhood!  And undoubtedly get a visit from someone in blue.

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« Reply #9 on: November 23, 2009, 08:08:41 PM »
A search of prior messages here would say don't do this!

Are you sure they were Hispanic, and not some other cultural group? e.g. San Jose, not too far from you, is well known for Vietnamese gangs.

From a 30-year resident of the greater Bay area.
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« Reply #10 on: November 23, 2009, 08:16:15 PM »
This is one of the reasons I like Wal*Mart.  The Super stores have 24 hour security in their lots and lights that make me feel safer.
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« Reply #11 on: November 23, 2009, 08:27:06 PM »
As I've said countless times, Wal*Mart security is there to protect WM property, NOT folks who overnight in their parking lot. I don't care how many times they drive by your rig, they would be negligent in their duty if their primary focus was not WM property.
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« Reply #12 on: November 24, 2009, 06:40:09 AM »
I'm sure you are correct about the primary reason they are paid for driving around the parking lot.  But I feel better knowing they are there and I assume that they are a deterrant to people who would want to cause any sort of vandalism.  If nothing else, they would be available to call the cops to come, if needed.  I have been in parking lots where the security stopped by our trailer to chat and make sure we were OK. 
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Re: Nighttime Vandalism vs. RV's
« Reply #13 on: November 24, 2009, 08:16:59 AM »
On two occasions I've stopped at the local police station and ask where was a safe place to park and spend the night. One directed me to a Walmart I'd missed and the other had me park in the lot behind the station with the off duty police cars.
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« Reply #14 on: November 24, 2009, 10:36:41 AM »
As I've said countless times, Wal*Mart security is there to protect WM property, NOT folks who overnight in their parking lot. I don't care how many times they drive by your rig, they would be negligent in their duty if their primary focus was not WM property.
And you have been wrong about it countless times. You have never spent the night at a Walmart in your life, how would you know why the security guards are there?

The fact is if there were absolutely no cars parked in the parking lot there would be no need for a security guard. No one goes to a Walmart parking lot to steal one of the trees planted there. The guards most certainly do keep an eye on the vehicles and people in the lot. If someone does attempt a break in on your vehicle and if they see it they will most certainly do something about it. I have talked to dozens of security guards at Walmart and they are very serious about protecting their parking lot, and the people and vehicles parked there.

The fact is most anyone would consider overnighting in a Walmart parking lot with a security guard as being a much safer sleeping arrangement than if there were no security guard there.

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« Reply #15 on: November 24, 2009, 11:10:34 AM »
Tom,

We're all entitled to our opinions. Doesn't mean anyone is "wrong" just because their opinion differs from yours. We could talk about the crimes committed in WM parking lots, including one well reported episode that resulted in a shooting death. But I won't mention them   ;)

If I need to spend my life in a WM parking lot or camped on a street, I'll sell the coach.
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« Reply #16 on: November 24, 2009, 03:01:30 PM »
Tom,

If I need to spend my life in a WM parking lot or camped on a street, I'll sell the coach.

I'm with Tom on this one....one time in north Georgia enroute to Florida we almost did stay at a WM as it was getting too foggy to travel, but luckily found a decent Comfort Inn for the overnight.  Regardless of how secure so many say they feel about WM & Truck Stop overnights, it just isn't within our comfort zone.

But, if we ever need to, a WM or truck stop would definitely take priority over city streets or vacant lots.

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« Reply #17 on: November 27, 2009, 04:25:30 PM »
Closest experience we have had is raccoons having a brawl under our van.  Main damage was to tipped over lawn chairs.
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Re: Nighttime Vandalism vs. RV's
« Reply #18 on: November 27, 2009, 04:41:43 PM »
I I have had someone throw a small ROCK (or other object) at my said camper, usually between the hours of 12 midnight to 3 a.m.  .  THANKS for any comments about any SIMILAR type of incidents.  [edit]Fixed subject line[/edit]

I have never had anyone throw any kind of rock at our RV.  We have boondocked  for over 10 years at  several places including Walmart parking lots,  but never on a public road. 
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« Reply #19 on: January 20, 2010, 12:06:10 PM »
Me again, the guy who began this "thread", several weeks ago, about RV vandalism.  Nothing thrown at YOUR camper in 10-years?  Very lucky, or the Gods are on YOUR side.  Not the case with me, though.  A while back, I was (in my RV) parked on the street in front of a local McDonald's here in (rather upscale) Mountain View, CA, when I heard something hit the McDonald's-facing-side of my EXPLORER van conversion.  I jumped out to see that some male youths (Arab-like broken English) had thrown a paper cup (half-full of ice/drink) at my RV.  I grabed my heavy-steel "cane" and approached them.  One of them, very "apologetic" in said broken-English, claimed that he (on a dare) had intended said cup (at 3-point range) to land in the McDonald's trashcan (sort of) near my van --- at least in the DIRECTION of my van.  He ran to my van, and at least put on a good show of cleaning-up what he had done, with more "apologetics".  Sometimes, especially you folks with much BIGGER campers/rv's, will indeed have experienced paint chips or small dents (on roof, etc.) from maliciously-tossed objects, but, by the time you NOTICE such, you simple "rationalize"-it-away as merely "incidental"  because you can't make the VANDALISM connection.  Here in the San Francisco Bay Area, punts are maliciously BURNING strangers' cars at night, for sport, firing pellet guns at passing highway vehicles, for sport, "keying" (scraping the paint) of entire new car dealer LOTS of vehicles, and all manner of other malicious mahem, not to mention the gang-related "tagging" of vehicles, buildings, etc.  THANKS again, for all of your feedback. 

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« Reply #20 on: January 20, 2010, 07:45:03 PM »
No offense meant here, but if you are parked on a street in front of a fast food restaurant at night, then you are inviting being hassled by youth.    I have never seen a McDonald's on a street that I would remotely consider parking/camping on, including the one 1 mile from my house in a VERY, VERY safe area.  By putting yourself in a location where young, bored, and often low-income kids are congregating, you are asking for trouble IMO.

Find a campground, boondock in a national forest, or even find a Wal-mart, which will at least offer you surveillance and a deterrent.

I have only been RV'ing for two years now, but I have been camping and around RVers for 20 + years, and I have absolutely no problem believing that the vast majority of folks have never, nor will have, any problems with vandalism...most of us simply don't put ourselves in locations where that would be a prevalent activity therefore decreasing the probability of it happening.
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« Reply #21 on: January 21, 2010, 11:55:00 AM »
We've never had a vandalism problem either. I think most of us avoid such places and there are plenty of nice spots to camp. And yes, we have stayed at Walmarts, KMarts, friend's driveways and even city streets a couple times.
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Re: Nighttime Vandalism vs. RV's
« Reply #22 on: January 29, 2010, 10:07:21 AM »
Thanks, again, for all of your input on this RV vandalism issue.  As far as my above-noted McDonald's (flying-softdrink) incident, I was NOT "camped" near said McDonalds.  Lastly, it doen't even have to be an "RV" subject, either.  Just yesterday, here in the SF Bay Area again (the "East Bay"), a women in a nice apartment complex was awakened in the middle of the night by an explosion.  She discovered that her new VW Bug had been "randomly" targeted for sport-burning, a major problem in said "East Bay". 

In the proverbial "final analysis", I STILL think there are a lot of folks out there with personal (bad) stories about RV vandalism.  But, when one has indeed encountered such, it tends to tarnish/diminish the RV'ing experience in GENERAL, thereby discouraging those people from participating in RV forums, like this one, in the FIRST PLACE.   THANKS!

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Re: Nighttime Vandalism vs. RV's
« Reply #23 on: January 29, 2010, 11:43:36 AM »
In the proverbial "final analysis", I STILL think there are a lot of folks out there with personal (bad) stories about RV vandalism.  But, when one has indeed encountered such, it tends to tarnish/diminish the RV'ing experience in GENERAL, thereby discouraging those people from participating in RV forums, like this one, in the FIRST PLACE.   THANKS!

I disagree and don't see the connection.  Problems happen everywhere; and I don't think people are discouraged after being vandalized.  Cars get vandalized all the time, do people stop driving cars?  Probably not.  I think being more aware of where you are and what's around you is the key.  Many of us have RVd all over this country and into Canada and not experienced a problem.  Not saying that we might at some time; but it would not discourage me from continuing to enjoy what I love to do.  And it certainly would not prevent me from reporting/discussing it here on the forum or any other forum I frequent.

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« Reply #24 on: January 29, 2010, 06:40:45 PM »
  I must agree with Marsha. I would not hesitate to inform fellow RVers about security issues I've encountered and advise them. OTOH I'm also happy to report on my good experiences and give credit where credit is due.
  Reports of vandalism etc. only serve to inform educated RVers.
  To think reporting personal (bad) stories would discourage my Forum participation is as preposterous as believing RV Vandalism would force me to sell my RV.
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Re: Nighttime Vandalism vs. RV's
« Reply #25 on: January 31, 2010, 11:21:48 AM »
I find it funny how Hispanic comes up twice in the original post.  Just an observation, but...  If they were Caucasian would you have described them as such or just a pack of kids?   Again just an observation.  If you don't like the heat get out of the kitchen!

 
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« Reply #26 on: January 31, 2010, 12:08:02 PM »
I have had RV's and boats over the past almost 40 years.  No vandalism, but I don't camp on a street.  Heck, none of my cars, trucks, motorcycles have ever been vandalized. 

Maybe if you camped on Rodeo Drive they would throw different kimds of rocks, like 22 carat rocks...

If I were you I would just avoid inner city campouts.

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« Reply #27 on: January 31, 2010, 04:39:23 PM »
I am the Safety Supervisor for a large trucking company (5000 trucks) and my wife is a solo 18 wheeler driver, we have a 40' Monaco my first choice for parking is truck stops "Flying J's offer free RV dump stations and lots of other specials if you pick up one of their free reward cards, Pilot's and Petro's are also good and almost all have free Wifi and I'm never worried about security.

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« Reply #28 on: January 31, 2010, 05:00:11 PM »
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In the proverbial "final analysis", I STILL think there are a lot of folks out there with personal (bad) stories about RV vandalism.  But, when one has indeed encountered such, it tends to tarnish/diminish the RV'ing experience in GENERAL, thereby discouraging those people from participating in RV forums, like this one, in the FIRST PLACE.

PHPVET,

We've been RVing for 35+ years and have parked in any and all kinds of places, but these days we tend to avoid city streets (it's usually illegal anyway) and interstate rest areas.  We always look around before parking to determine if we would feel safe there.  I haven't heard of many cases of vandalism such as you mention.  But I fail to see why bringing it up on a forum would discourage people from participating.  Are you saying that because others didn't agree with you or because they wondered indirectly why you were parked where you were?  We discuss all manner of RVing subjects on this RV Forum and I don't understand why someone wouldn't mention vandalism which surely is of concern to all of us, regardless of where it takes place.  By the way I have lived in both Mt. View and San Jose and would not park on city streets in that area, especially in San Jose.  Maybe 30 years ago, but not now because there are too many active gangs from various cultures.

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« Reply #29 on: February 02, 2010, 02:11:38 AM »
Ardra,

San Jose CA. is listed as he safest  place with a population over 500.000 , while the Las Vegas/Paradise Metropolitan area is listed as the 4 th. most dangerous one.  :)

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