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Gunpowder, treason and plot
« on: November 04, 2005, 09:37:12 PM »
Anyone visiting, RVing or living in the UK on November 5th will be very aware of the saying:

Remember, remember, the 5th of November, gunpowder, treason and plot.

Guy planned to blow up the houses of parliament at the time of the visit of the King. He was caught before the dastardly deed could be carried out. You can read this version of the story. After dark, Brits will be lighting fireworks and bonfires with effagies of Guy to commemorate this notable date.

When I was a kid we'd make a guy using old clothes stuffed with newspaper and straw and we'd haul it around the houses, knock on the doors and say "penny for the guy". Most folks would dig in their pockets and find some loose change which we'd use to buy fireworks.
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Re: Gunpowder, treason and plot
« Reply #1 on: November 05, 2005, 03:15:40 PM »
Bit of a damp squib i'me afraid Tom its pouring down across most of the UK
and i think penny for the guy is dying out,it seems to be overtaken by Halloween which is getting very
Americanised over here
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Re: Gunpowder, treason and plot
« Reply #2 on: November 05, 2005, 05:10:23 PM »
Hi Ian. I figured you'd pick up on my message. We used to do Halloween in addition to penny for the guy when I was a kid - it was called (in Welsh) "nos cyn gauau", if I haven't forgotten the spelling. Translates to "night before winter".
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Re: Gunpowder, treason and plot
« Reply #3 on: November 05, 2005, 06:00:31 PM »
Bit of a damp squib i'me afraid Tom its pouring down across most of the UK
and i think penny for the guy is dying out,it seems to be overtaken by Halloween which is getting very
Americanised over here

Not at all.   You will know you are getting Americanized when you all start seeing 4th of July decorations.   ;D
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Re: Gunpowder, treason and plot
« Reply #4 on: November 05, 2005, 06:50:24 PM »
You will know you are getting Americanized when you all start seeing 4th of July decorations.

Carl, reminds me of a UK friend who was asked by his stateside colleagues if they celebrate Thanksgiving in the UK. He asked what Thanksgiving was all about and, after hearing the story, said "no, we celebrate the day they left Plymouth".
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« Reply #5 on: November 05, 2005, 09:39:22 PM »
Thanksgiving is really unique to us and the Canadians.   Some Glaswegian friends we had from the UK Current Affairs forum joined us  for a Thanksgiving some years back.  She had always wanted to do the US thing and I told her old man, what the hell come on over for one with us.   The marginal cost of 2 extra mouths at the feast is minimal.   We did the whole nine yards:  turk, stuffing, sweet taters,  string beans cassarole, punkin pie, and several bottles of chardonnay and cabernet sauvignon.   This was followed up with turkey divan, turkey sandwiches,  turkey a la King, etc. etc..

We also followed up with an RV and hotelling trip to Palm Canyon Resort and bombing around Anza Borrego Desert State Park.   This was like the far side of the moon for west coast Scots.
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Re: Gunpowder, treason and plot
« Reply #6 on: November 05, 2005, 10:55:30 PM »
Thanksgiving is really unique to us and the Canadians.

Well, of course. The Australians had nothing to celebrate since they were shipped there as prisoners. As for the Brits who stayed at home, well they obviously didn't leave, so they never arrived in their new land.
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« Reply #7 on: November 06, 2005, 07:19:47 AM »
   This was like the far side of the moon for west coast Scots.


Is that a fact !!! ..lol.. you might be surprised where we Scots travel to..  ;)
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« Reply #8 on: November 06, 2005, 08:34:18 AM »
i will celebrate anything as long as it is made into a bank holiday,and as for turkey i am waiting for them to hit the supermarkets then i can try out the turkey frier we brought over with us complete with peanut oil
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« Reply #9 on: November 06, 2005, 09:52:51 AM »
i can try out the turkey frier we brought over with us complete with peanut oil

Ian, did you find a 240V turkey frier, or will you use the coach generator, or a transformer?
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« Reply #10 on: November 06, 2005, 10:15:52 AM »
Ian, did you find a 240V turkey frier, or will you use the coach generator, or a transformer?

Most likely their turky frier is propane similar to ours.
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« Reply #11 on: November 06, 2005, 10:20:56 AM »
Most likely their turky frier is propane similar to ours.

Ah, I was thinking electric. That raises the question whether the threads on the propane adapter would fit.
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« Reply #12 on: November 06, 2005, 11:16:12 AM »
Ah, I was thinking electric. That raises the question whether the threads on the propane adapter would fit.
Chances are they will.  We bought a gas grill in Australia and had no problem when we connected a tank to it here in the US.  That is the big one you might have seen at Sam's Camp.
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« Reply #13 on: November 06, 2005, 11:30:44 AM »
Chances are they will.

Ron, do you know if our gas connections are metric by any chance? I suspect, but don't know for sure, that UK threads might be metric. I had no use for my UK-owned metric wrenches when we first came to the U.S. 25 years ago, so I left them behind. Meanwhile, change has been very slow to come. I'm about to learn two new pieces of information.
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« Reply #14 on: November 06, 2005, 11:49:58 AM »
I am not sure Tom.  I do know that Australia are on the metric system so since I had no problem using my Aussie grill here without modification maybe the propane connections are metric.  Guess I will ask next time we are near a propane place.
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« Reply #15 on: November 06, 2005, 12:15:24 PM »
Didn't our connectors change a year or two ago with the introduction of the new OPDs? I seem to recall they went from left hand to right hand threads (?) although I think they were somehow made backwards compatible. Or was that merely the connection to the tank itself?
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« Reply #16 on: November 06, 2005, 12:19:28 PM »
Didn't our connectors change a year or two ago with the introduction of the new OPDs? I seem to recall they went from left hand to right hand threads (?) although I think they were somehow made backwards compatible. Or was that merely the connection to the tank itself?

The new green handle (right hand thread) easy on/off  is a Type 1 Acme thread which comes on the hose to connect to tank for US units. I don't know if UK would supply a ASTME Acme thread ?
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« Reply #17 on: November 06, 2005, 12:25:00 PM »
The our Aussie grill has the old style left hand threads which I am using on a tank with the new style OPD valve.  They are backward compatible.
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« Reply #18 on: November 06, 2005, 09:36:47 PM »
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Is that a fact !!! ..lol.. you might be surprised where we Scots travel to..


Not at all.   As I said we had visited them in Glasgow.  Lovely town and marvellous people, but the weather....Oi vey!    Any rate, the landscape is nothing like the Anza Borrego desert -- especially on the 4-wheel trails in the back country.   ABD gets less rain in a year than Glasgow gets in a week.

By the bye, traveling Scots seem to be fairly rare on the ground out here in the Wild West.  In fact, traveling old country Brits seem to be rare on the ground in general.   Germans on the other hand are legion.  I rarely stay in a campground near a senic attraction that does not have a 2 or 3 German parties in an RV. 

You all ought to get out west a bit more.  It is nothing like Old Blighty.   Even the areas that are as damp as Britain, the Northwest, have forests and volcanos.   :)
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« Reply #19 on: November 06, 2005, 10:17:01 PM »
LOL Carl, I think you've been spending too much time on that Brit forum again. Any truth to the rumor that they call you the Sheriff of Nottingham (as in the days of Robin Hood)?
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« Reply #20 on: November 07, 2005, 01:24:42 AM »
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Any truth to the rumor that they call you the Sheriff of Nottingham (as in the days of Robin Hood)?

Naah, I am the republican running dog for the vile neo conservative conspiracy.  Why do you ask?
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Re: Gunpowder, treason and plot
« Reply #21 on: November 07, 2005, 05:51:09 AM »
Anyone visiting, RVing or living in the UK on November 5th will be very aware of the saying:

Remember, remember, the 5th of November, gunpowder, treason and plot.


We were in Wales (Bleanau Festinog (sp?)) the night of the 4th, and in England on the 5th and 6th.  Lots of fireworks all 3 nights.

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« Reply #22 on: November 07, 2005, 08:20:15 AM »
Lots of fireworks all 3 nights.

Hi Jeannine, just like here around July 4th when folks get their hands on some fireworks they can't wait to light them. Then they have leftovers to light on the 6th. Were the ones you saw private/family lightings, or were they organized community affairs?
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« Reply #23 on: November 07, 2005, 01:59:36 PM »
Turkey frier is lpg Tom supplied by Wal-Mart USA not to be confused with ASDA Wal-Mart UK (yes your supermarkets are here) and will be tried out very soon,the lpg fittings are the same in the UK as the USA i ran the motorhome from a 19kg bottle untill i sourced an addaptor to fill the lpg tank .We bought the frier straight after the riends we stayed with fried one the only thing i forgot was the stand where you cook a chicken with a beer can inside ,never tried that but sure sounds good to me
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« Reply #24 on: November 07, 2005, 02:39:41 PM »
Two years  ago at the RV Forum QZ rally we fried only one turkey and several folks didn't get any.  So last Year we fried two turkeys for the QZ RV Forum potluck and I think everybody that wanted some got some.  Not one piece left over.

Fried Turkey is good.  Try frying a roast sometime.

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« Reply #25 on: November 07, 2005, 02:43:48 PM »
Thanks for the clarification on the LPG thread Ian. Nice to know that there's some compatibility.

Now where do you buy a turkey with a beer can inside? Do they grow them that way, or is the beer can part of the stuffing? Is this a version of 'drunken shrimp' we used to eat in restaurants in the orient years ago? They'd bring live shrimp to the table in a large glass container that looked like an oversized brandy snifter. They'd pour in some liquor and you'd get to see the creatures get merrier and merrier until they eventually fell over, nissed as a pewt so to speak. Then they cooked them for you to eat.
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« Reply #26 on: November 07, 2005, 02:59:48 PM »
Tom,

Here's one recipe: http://www.outofthefryingpan.com/recipes/chicken.beer.butt.shtml

Here's another: http://www.barbecuebible.com/featured/recipe/basic_beercan_c.php

Do a Google search on "beer can chicken" (with the quotes).
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« Reply #27 on: November 07, 2005, 03:27:14 PM »
LOL Ned, Kev's Beer Butt Chicken doesn't sound like a very appetizing dish. I prefer good old home made stuffing to a beer can.
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« Reply #28 on: November 07, 2005, 03:37:03 PM »
Our landlord here in Yuma made some last year and it was very good.  Nice and tender and juicy.  You don't eat the beer can :)
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« Reply #29 on: November 07, 2005, 03:50:58 PM »
You don't eat the beer can

Ah, thanks for the clarification. When I was growing up, the rule was "don't leave anything on your plate". Hopefully, the can is removed before serving.
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« Reply #30 on: November 07, 2005, 03:57:58 PM »
You can carve the bird right on the can, it makes a nice stand :)
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« Reply #31 on: November 10, 2005, 03:37:33 AM »
We'll be celebrating Thanksgiving with John and Judy Maguire this year - at Squamish near Seattle where they were married six years ago.   John made us an offer we couldn't refuse:  full day health spa for Liliane and Judy and a glass of cardboard red wine for me!

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« Reply #32 on: November 10, 2005, 09:35:21 AM »
Good to hear you will be over here for Thanksgiving.  Please tell John and Judy hi for us.  Anychance you going to get in the AZ area this trip?
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« Reply #33 on: November 10, 2005, 02:39:37 PM »
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« Reply #28 on: November 07, 2005, 03:37:03 PM »
Our landlord here in Yuma made some last year and it was very good.  Nice and tender and juicy.  You don't eat the beer can Smiley}}}


Ah, thanks for the clarification. When I was growing up, the rule was "don't leave anything on your plate". Hopefully, the can is removed before serving.

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« Reply #34 on: November 11, 2005, 07:53:49 AM »
Ron  - not this trip I regret,  we're going to Australia and New Zealand in January so have to save some pennies for that.   but yes in 2007.

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« Reply #35 on: November 11, 2005, 09:37:42 AM »
Hope to see you at Sam's Camp too.
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« Reply #36 on: January 05, 2006, 03:31:25 PM »
Just learnt something I didnt know.   That canadians celebrated a thanksgiving day as well as the states.  What are they thanksgiving for?    Not something we Brits did in the past was it   :)   I was crap at history in school.

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« Reply #37 on: January 05, 2006, 03:53:14 PM »
Tony,

Here's the U.S. Thanksgiving story and here's the Canadian Thanksgiving story.

Wales was going to celebrate its own Thanksgiving day, but changed it to a day of mourning to recognize the day the Severn Bridge was opened, allowing English folks to trespass on Welsh soil.
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« Reply #38 on: January 05, 2006, 07:50:08 PM »
The campground I stay at every year in September-October celebrates Canadian Thanksgiving Day by having a pitch-in dinner with the CG providing the turkey, venison, and ham and the guests providing a covered dish. They shut the water off to the campsites the following week and this makes an excellent end to the camping season there.

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« Reply #39 on: January 05, 2006, 07:54:58 PM »
Nice CG tradition Woody.
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« Reply #40 on: January 05, 2006, 08:08:12 PM »
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Just learnt something I didnt know.   That canadians celebrated a thanksgiving day as well as the states.  What are they thanksgiving for?    Not something we Brits did in the past was it   


Actually, neither holiday involves something the Brits did.   The US holiday goes back to a tradition started by Brits in North America.  Later Lincoln made it a regular national holiday responding to circumstances in the Civil War in 1863.   At the time that the Canadians started their holiday they were Brits in N. America also.

   
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« Reply #41 on: January 05, 2006, 08:13:18 PM »
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Wales was going to celebrate its own Thanksgiving day, but changed it to a day of mourning to recognize the day the Severn Bridge was opened, allowing English folks to trespass on Welsh soil.
 


I hate to break this to you Tom, me lad.   The Severn Bridge had little to do with the Welsh immigration problem.   Those big old castles on the north shore started that problem.   Involved some dude named Eddie the First, but not the last it appears.
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« Reply #42 on: January 05, 2006, 08:25:07 PM »
LOL Carl. Castles on "the north shore" would do little to keep the English out - they'd be in the wrong place.

OTOH Offa's Dike was built to keep the Welsh from migrating into England, although none of us wanted to go there anyway  ;D
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« Reply #43 on: January 05, 2006, 09:12:14 PM »
 :D Sorry to disagree Tom but we have at least 42 Dai Jones living in our Mining Village.  ;D
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« Reply #44 on: January 05, 2006, 09:15:08 PM »
LOL John, we have many more Dai Joneses in our village and, for Carl's benefit, none of them got in or out via the north shore. If they did, they'd be Micks  ;D
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« Reply #45 on: January 06, 2006, 12:58:32 AM »
LOL Carl. Castles on "the north shore" would do little to keep the English out - they'd be in the wrong place.

OTOH Offa's Dike was built to keep the Welsh from migrating into England, although none of us wanted to go there anyway  ;D

Missed my point old bean.   The castles were there to keep the English in Wales, not out.   And a foine grim bunch of granite bungalows they are.   ;D
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« Reply #46 on: January 06, 2006, 01:34:07 AM »
Methinks you've been spending too much time on the English forum Carl. They have you brainwashed with their folklore.
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« Reply #47 on: January 06, 2006, 12:06:24 PM »
Lol, how did we involve the micks in the equasion.     Thanks for the answers tom on thanksgiving.

John & Sandy.  Sat riveted to my laptop last night reading about your travels and experiences in your old coachmen.  Its enough to put anybody off full timing for life.  You obviously enjoy every minute.  I reckon you ought to write a book on your experiences.  Lets hope the Newmar is more reliable for you.  Hope to meet up with you one day.

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« Reply #48 on: January 06, 2006, 12:42:40 PM »
...how did we involve the micks in the equasion.

LOL Tony, I was merely trying to explain to Carl that the only place to go from the "north shore" of Wales was across the Irish Sea.

BTW on the Thanksgiving subject, a UK friend was once asked by his Arizona-based counterpart if they celebrated Thanksgiving in the UK. He asked what it was all about and, upon hearing the story, replied "We celebrate the day they left Plymouth instead".
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« Reply #49 on: January 06, 2006, 05:14:06 PM »
Methinks you've been spending too much time on the English forum Carl. They have you brainwashed with their folklore.

The Wizop is a Scot.   Next time you are in Glasgow, don't walk near any dark alleys.   ;D
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« Reply #50 on: January 06, 2006, 06:19:08 PM »
The Wizop is a Scot.

Ah yes, I'd forgotten that.
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