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Re: Taking up astronomy
« Reply #30 on: November 07, 2012, 03:30:11 AM »
CamperAl,

Darn, both of those dates clash with our work commitment at Yellowstone NP. Sure sounds like a neat happening!  :)
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« Reply #31 on: November 08, 2012, 01:25:19 AM »
Hi Jim,

I'd offer to take your place so you could get to one of the star parties, but I might make a mess  :o and don't want people to avoid Yellowstone. We plan on going to Yellowstone sometime soon and if at all possible in an RV. I will make an effort to contact you if we do.

There are other star parties also. You  can look those up by simply typing in Star Party in a search engine. Anyone that would go would enjoy it. Nice quiet nights with thousands of stars. At one, Jupiter was casting my shadow on a white chair, that is just  how dark it is at one of these. We might also try to form an informal group of stargazers and have a RV Form Star Gaze. Perhaps Tucson during the winter time. Best to all!
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Re: Taking up astronomy
« Reply #32 on: November 09, 2012, 09:21:06 AM »
CamperAL,

We will be there all summer this coming year. Pancake Bill will also be there. He's our District Manager.
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Re: Taking up astronomy
« Reply #33 on: November 21, 2013, 02:15:24 AM »
Greetings,

I know this is an older topic but wanted to post here anyway as there are few topics that are astronomy related.

Don't know if I can get enough interest here or not. Might have to post other places and try to find interested parties but would like to see some sort of activities that are both RV and astronomy related that could be conducted together once or even several times a year if there is enough interest. My idea is a sort of a mobil astronomy club.

Astronomy deals with the physical study/observing of the sky (not to be confused with astrology which is different subject).

One avenue might be to contact astronomers directly. Since I know many astronomers being one myself, I could probably get things rolling.
It would be nice to plan some sort of informal event to get other like minded people or those who might want to learn a bit about stargazing under clear skies. We could stargaze at night and do RV activities by day (usually a bit later in the morning as your always tired after a part night or more under the stars.

I thought this event might coinside with other RV Forum activities, either before or after such events.

I did find one location where a group might stay on the boarder of New Mexico and Arizona. I am not in any way linked to these folks and have yet to contact them. They apparently have groups come in already. I'll post the link I ran across tonight for those who might want to comment and offer up advise. Rates seem reasonable and there would be other astronomy like minded folks. This is just an idea I am throwing out and perhaps there are better places.

http://rustysrvranch.com/home.htm

I realize in the spectrum of RV'n, there are a ton of things that people can do. I want to do many of those myself. I have yet to buy an RV but am working on that. In the mean time I could assess the idea. I have planned a major yearly convention (along with others) and think this could be some fun of a different nature for some of the folks who RV here.

Always interested in ideas thoughts from the experts here. My best!
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« Reply #34 on: November 23, 2013, 02:24:51 PM »
I can hear the crickets chirping. Apparently there isn't any astronomers here. Oh well.
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« Reply #35 on: January 13, 2014, 05:44:05 AM »
Since there doesn't seem to be too much interest in Astronomy while RV'n, I thought I might suggest a possible idea. I know that I am new here and it takes time for people to get to know you. I am still about a year out from purchase of an RV (unless the right deal comes along). I plan on attending some of the forum member campouts. I will offer up stargazing to those folks who might want to look threw a decent sized telescope at various objects. Moon, planets and brighter deep sky objects are always attention getting viewing. It is a way to get to know a bit about astronomy and have fun standing around the scope talking while others are looking. I usually have interesting facts I share for such "star parties" and always interested in people throwing out  information that know better than me.

The advantage of this type of star gaze is you can come and go when ever you want. Ideally would try to have a star gaze about ever clear night. Usually you don't have to climb up more than one step of a ladder to see through the eyepiece. I will offer up information when I attend one of these Framily campouts. Quartzite seems like a good spot as well as Catalina State Park.

Usually I have some extraterrestrial objects I pass out as well  ;) Best!
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Re: Taking up astronomy
« Reply #36 on: January 13, 2014, 06:35:33 AM »
Good idea Al; That could create a real interest in the subject.

A couple of the guys in the photography club I recently started are very active in astro photography. Through a couple of demos and explanations, I've learned that so much of what they "see" is only visible after post processing of the images captured on camera.
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« Reply #37 on: January 13, 2014, 08:29:48 AM »
Hi Tom,

Astrophotography is something I have participated in for well over 4 decades. I have a lab at my house (which is seldom used these days) and use to process after a night out taking photos. Perhaps I need to post some photos here somewhere. Developing photos right after taking them helps you figure out what you are doing wrong. With the digital cameras these days, with a little effort, you can take some outstanding shots of sky objects. Trick is to start with brighter objects and work your way down to fainter objects. There is also the art of guiding your telescope to follow the object so it doesn't drift in your picture. A complicated process for sure but rewarding when you get a nice shot.

It is one reason astronomers don't want bright street lights around where they are doing astronomy. Things we look at are hundreds of thousands times fainter than a dim setting at night. I like the idea of an invite for people to see things. Craters on the Moon, Saturn's Ring, Jupiter's Moons, double stars, galaxies, nebula and a great many other objects are out there just waiting to be discovered! I'd like to be the astronomer in the group if it's not too far off the norm for people. I am sure we would have fun and always nice to learn a bit about something that is a mystery for most people.
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« Reply #38 on: January 13, 2014, 08:39:58 AM »
 
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There is also the art of guiding your telescope to follow the object so it doesn't drift in your picture.

Aye, it's fascinating listening to these guys talk about how they do that.
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Re: Taking up astronomy
« Reply #39 on: January 13, 2014, 10:05:16 AM »
Every year in June there is a one week star party at the Grand Canyon put on by the Tucson Astronomy Club. About 60 telescopes are set up and there are no street lights for hundreds of miles.

http://www.nps.gov/grca/planyourvisit/grand-canyon-star-party.htm
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« Reply #40 on: January 13, 2014, 10:18:17 PM »
Here is another perspective on the subject.  I am the worst at identifing stars.  Last night at a campfire here at Quartzsite the lady camped next to us pulled out her IPAD and she had an app that you used by pointing it at a portion of the sky.  It would then bring up a star map with the idenity of the stars that you were pointing at.  It was amazing to me.  She even said that you could point it down and the stars on the other side of the earth would be identified.  I will ask her tomorrow for the name and details of the app.  This would make all the difference in my interest in star gazing.
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« Reply #41 on: January 13, 2014, 10:53:55 PM »
There are several star identification apps for both iOS and Android. Click on an identified star and a bunch of info pops up about it. I have read about a new telescope coming out that can be attached to a tablet or a phone. Click on a star and the tablet directs the telescope to point right at the star.

Celestron COSMOS 90GT Wi-Fi telescope

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« Reply #42 on: January 14, 2014, 01:36:42 AM »
I have read about a new telescope coming out that can be attached to a tablet or a phone. Click on a star and the tablet directs the telescope to point right at the star.

Celestron COSMOS 90GT Wi-Fi telescope

http://www.celestron.com/portal/cosmos-90gt-wifi-telescope.html

Hi SeilerBird and all,

That makes sense because a lot of the new telescopes sold over the last few years have computers on them. You find two stars to set the scope up an then all you have to do is select an object in the data base and the scope finds it. I don't really need a computer as I know most of the constellations and planets by just looking. However computerize saves time when people are wanting to look through the telescope.

The Grand Canyon Star Party sounds like it would be fun. A chance to look through a lot of different scopes under dark skies. I know some people in the Tucson Astro group. Would like to become a member when I retire and attend meetings. There are also a lot of other star gazing events nation wide. Texas Star Party, Oregon Star Party and many more. These are pretty serious star gazing though and knowing basic rules are important if you attend, like no bright flashlights. Most of us use red lens over flashlights to protect night vision. Astronomers are more than glad to help new comers and you just need to read the info and ask questions. Like any hobby.
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« Reply #43 on: January 14, 2014, 06:47:49 AM »
Astronomers are more than glad to help new comers and you just need to read the info and ask questions.

I have been to a few of the star parties and I am always amazed at how friendly and helpful everyone is. There are like 60 telescopes set up and the owners will gladly explain anything you want to know about. One night at about 11 pm someone yelled out "Iridium Flare" and everyone pointed their laser pointer at one spot in the sky and sure enough, an Iridium Flare lit up. If you have never seen an Iridium Flare you are missing one of the best shows in the sky. After it was done everyone gave the IF a round of applause. You can find videos of IF on YouTube.
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« Reply #44 on: January 14, 2014, 12:03:42 PM »
For the rank newbie to astronomy, (that would be me) I found this book to be pretty useful: http://www.amazon.com/Starfinder-Third-Edition-Carole-Stott/dp/1465414533/ref=as_li_tf_sw?&linkCode=wsw&tag=theunofficbord06.  The cool thing about it is it has a moveable template that you can line up the stars with to aid in identification.  I'm going to see if I can find that iPad app someone mentioned earlier and see how they compare.
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« Reply #46 on: January 15, 2014, 12:25:59 AM »
Greetings again,

There are also astronomy computer software that helps aid in viewing the night time sky. Starry Night is one that many amateurs use to check night time astro events. Here is a list of free software that is rated and listed that I found. I am guessing most have a limited use and you probably have to buy the program later.

http://www.techsupportalert.com/best-free-astronomy-software.htm

inscop, Starfinder is an excellent book and helpful if your out and away from the RV and trying to figure things out in the sky. I have an old copy at home.
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« Reply #47 on: January 15, 2014, 07:31:18 AM »
    Lost my attempted post yesterday when I tried to download a pic my son in law took of the horse head nebula.  Last spring when we got home, he, I and his dad, built a base, then installed a home observatory.  We ran electrical wire, and data wire from his basement office to the observatory, so that he can sit at his computer, tell the telescope where to point, see it all on his desktop, then take the most amazing pictures.  He has had several published in periodicals, and really enjoys it as a hobby.
   When we can south this year we brought one of his older and smaller scopes, along with his portable power source, and we will go out a nisht or two when he get down for a visit.  He says that the views will be different here due to Florida being closer to the equator.

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« Reply #48 on: January 15, 2014, 08:02:25 AM »
Stellarium is one of the better Windows programs for the armchair astronomer.  Best of all, it's free.
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« Reply #49 on: January 15, 2014, 04:51:09 PM »
I may have figured out how to extract the pic from Flikr, if it doesn't work, just blame it on being a Senior.
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« Reply #50 on: January 16, 2014, 01:41:04 AM »
Hi Ed, and all,

Super nice shot of the horse head in Orion's belt! Your son is an accomplished astrophotographer. I'll try to post some of my shots here. Since a lot of them are on slides, I have to copy them.

Ned, Stellarium is an excellent astronomy software program. Free makes it better.

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« Reply #51 on: February 20, 2014, 06:01:15 PM »
There's a good star party held each summer in the sand hills of north-central Nebraska called The Nebraska Star Party. It is held at Merritt Lake, about 27 miles southwest of Valentine, Nebraska. Only a few hours from Mount Rushmore National Monument.

Some of the clearest and darkest skies in the continental U.S. This year's event, the 21st annual, will be held from July 27th to August 1st, 2014.

http://www.nebraskastarparty.org/

Skies are so clear and dark, once your eyes have adapted, you can see just by the light of the Milky Way.

Camping at the main star party area is primitive camping (no pads, electricity, water or sewer), although there are more developed camp areas around the lake.

A small store at the dam has basic supplies, and there are cabins that can be rented as well. The city of Valentine has several grocery and other stores.

They generally have some day-time activities planned, and occasionally a guest speaker. Last year I believe it was Astronaut Clayton Anderson from Nebraska.
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« Reply #52 on: February 22, 2014, 05:28:25 AM »
Hi Slippy,

Sorry I didn't see your post right away.

Wondering if there is room for RV campers or trailers. Wondering how hard it is to get to the sites and how level they might be?

The Nebraska Star Party is one that I would like to attend. I was also wondering if there are vendors at the star party? This might be a good location for some of the RV'rs here to attend and do some star gazing.

Hope to see some more posts here from you.
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« Reply #53 on: February 22, 2014, 06:46:29 AM »
If anyone is interested I can bring my scope to Moab in May. It's a bit bulky but it is great to reach out and see cool stuff. It's a 8" Dobsonian with goto function and auto tracking.

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« Reply #54 on: February 22, 2014, 07:01:41 AM »
If anyone is interested I can bring my scope to Moab in May. It's a bit bulky but it is great to reach out and see cool stuff. It's a 8" Dobsonian with goto function and auto tracking.

I'd be really interested, but I'd hate for you to have to pack a bulky item just for me. Astronomy is one of those disciplines that I've always been interested in, but have never taken the time to get involved (I have enough expensive hobbies now).
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« Reply #55 on: February 22, 2014, 07:14:53 AM »
John,

I'm just looking for an excuse!! lol. DW is not too much into it and if I have someone that is, it's worth the hassle! ;D
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« Reply #56 on: February 22, 2014, 07:43:11 AM »
Don't worry John, Steve has tons of room. Moab would be one of the best places in America to view the night sky. No cities nearby to screw things up with light pollution. It be really dark there. 8)
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« Reply #57 on: February 23, 2014, 11:25:47 PM »
Wondering if there is room for RV campers or trailers. Wondering how hard it is to get to the sites and how level they might be?

The Nebraska Star Party is one that I would like to attend. I was also wondering if there are vendors at the star party? This might be a good location for some of the RV'rs here to attend and do some star gazing.

Hope to see some more posts here from you.

Been a few years since we went to the NSP (work and having given up our old RV).

Right near the main observing area (within a few hundred feet) are some campsites along the lakeside (Snake Campground - see pic). No hookups, but level, some shade and maybe a picnic table. There are toilets and drinking water (from a hand-pump well). Everything else in the area is primitive camping (I think the term is boondocking) so there are lots of places you can park. First-come first-served. We used one site the first year we went up with an RV, but moved up to the main observing area for the convenience (and since it's real bad form to use lights for driving at night, barring a serious emergency). There are some more developed camping areas in other parts of the park, but not within walking distance (unless you like hiking) of the observing area. Cedar Bay Campground has expanded facilities, including electric hookups and coin-operated showers. There is a dump station near the boat ramp at the Merritt Trading Post.

Use of generators or any lights that can be seen from outside your rig during the hours of darkness are frowned on. Many people unplug their lights, or cover them with red film/replace with red bulbs, and use the bare minimum while keeping their shades closed at night. After about noon it is considered okay to start firing up generators to recharge batteries.

Some people rent cabins near the Trading Post, a few stay in Valentine and drive out for the night, others car/van/tent camp, some have pop-up, TT's, 5W's, and full MHs. A Nebraska Park Permit is required ($5 a day, or $25 annually).

The nice thing about the NSP is you don't need a telescope to attend. People (if they aren't trying to do some long-exposure astrophotography) for the most part enjoy sharing their scopes, and having people come up and ask questions. There is a tradition of folks setting up chairs in a circular paved area near 'Dob Row' and quietly chatting most of the night. Dob means Dobsonian, a type of telescope. Some of them are gi-normous! (see pic).

They normally have some vendors selling astronomy-related items and crafts, as well as swap-meets. For registered attendees, there are door-prize give-aways during the week. Depending on donations and sponsors, some of the door prizes are pretty good (telescopes, high-quality eye-pieces, etc).

There are beginner's astronomy field schools, canoeing or tubing down the Niobara River, visitor's attractions in and around Valentine, an indian-reservation casino about 9 miles north of Valentine

We have had attendees from overseas show up, the viewing is so good. And Nebraska is rather central to the U.S., so we get a lot of attendees from all over the U.S. and Canada.


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« Reply #58 on: March 21, 2014, 07:30:49 AM »
Great pics.
I have an 8" Meade with a large tripod but I'm considering selling it and getting something a little smaller for general observation and for easier carrying in the RV.  This one is nice for the house but we have too much light which prevents me from getting much use from it at home and it would take up too much space in our storage compartment. 

I'm interested in what smaller/lighter telescopes and tripod others might have found excellent for viewing and transporting in your RV.  I think a 4" scope would be around the size I would want. It would most likely work better camping in a dark area than my 8" does at the house. I would want one with 1.25" eyepieces so I could still use my current set.
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« Reply #59 on: March 21, 2014, 01:23:55 PM »
    My Son In Law took this the other night, he'll be down next week and will try using a portable scope that we brought down for him.  I'll let you know how it works out for him, as it is a nice compact scope that would transport easily in an RV boot.

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