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Re: RVer Sues Walmart over Unsafe parking Lot
« Reply #30 on: December 08, 2010, 11:16:35 AM »
Walmart should just ban overnight "camping" permanently at all it's stores and avoid all these type actions.  ;) 

Thankfully where we live (vacation/tourist area), the local Walmart has signs prohibiting overnight camping and we certainly appreciate not seeing the parked RV with lawn chairs and awnings out.  I also noticed the other day, the Walmart off of I-25 in Colorado Springs are posting the same signs, so the abusers of this PRIVILEDGE ruined it for the rest of us.
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Re: RVer Sues Walmart over Unsafe parking Lot
« Reply #31 on: December 08, 2010, 12:09:50 PM »
An RVer is suing Walmart, claiming they were negligent about keeping the parking lot safe for their invited RV guests. This is after they shot and killed a man who allegedly entered their coach while the couple was in Cedar City, UT Walmart parking area.  Supposedly the man knocked on the door of their coach and asked about a ride south, then got into a struggle over the RVers shotgun and  ended up dead.  Read the full news report on the link below.

They claim they suffer ongoing medical problems and emotional distress from the incident and are asking for general damages and   coverage of medical and court costs.

http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/home/50025826-76/stubbs-walmart-lot-parking.html.csp

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I hate to see this kind of lawsuit. Pure opportunism, in my view. Sue the big guy because he has deep pockets. This is the sort of thing that makes businesses refuse to extend courtesies to the public, e.g. Walmart's RV parking policy. You can bet the Walmart lawyers are arguing right now that this policy leaves Walmart vulnerable to this sort of thing and ought to be terminated.

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Walmart has a long history of unsafe parking lots as well as avoiding law suits due to they're (deep pockets) buying the judge\jury and not to mention they're BOARD of lawyers.
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Re: RVer Sues Walmart over Unsafe parking Lot
« Reply #32 on: December 08, 2010, 12:18:15 PM »
Walmart has a long history of unsafe parking lots as well as avoiding law suits due to they're (deep pockets) buying the judge\jury and not to mention they're BOARD of lawyers.
Hmmm.  Not sure I'd go so far as to say that - buying judge/jury?  No doubt they are in a position to have all the legal support they might deem necessary, but because they are the "big guy" they should roll over for frivolous claims?
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Re: RVer Sues Walmart over Unsafe parking Lot
« Reply #33 on: December 08, 2010, 12:24:56 PM »
Here come the Wal-Mart bashers.   
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Re: RVer Sues Walmart over Unsafe parking Lot
« Reply #34 on: December 15, 2010, 04:14:54 PM »
Hate to tell you, but according to a huge article in the Wall Street Journal about Sam Walton,  He did not give a tinkers damn about selling made in America.  It was a gimmick. They said he started very early on working toward getting stuff made cheaply anyplace he could.  So for a long time we made most of it.  He was one of the pioneers of outsourcing and apparently accomplished what he wanted.  Also the man was ruthless, forced many businesses to go out of business or to produce overseas as he kept reducing the amount he would pay them.  There are very few major retailers to sell to now as most couldn't compete and were run out of business.

Notice now they are producing their own value brand, wonder how long before the major canners and private labels can't compete with that either.  I'm sure they are producing this alongside of their brand name ones.

It is very dangerous when one of anything takes over the markets in a country.

It was a quite interesting story, it was a year or so ago I think.  Good reading if you can locate it.

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Re: RVer Sues Walmart over Unsafe parking Lot
« Reply #35 on: December 31, 2010, 05:56:22 PM »
Anyone can be robed anywhere today. The tougher the times the worse it will get. I will stay at  Wal mart because my experience was good. First I picked a place that was well lite and had security. Second I used common sense we looked for an area that was in a good neighborhood. Third I was a victim of a violent crime at the age of 15. I was stabbed beaten and still have memory loss. Now I can tell people what forgiveness is! I could stay at home and hide from people but I have to go on and live my life. Do not let one thing like this make everyone not trust Wal Mart. Be smarter and choose  a safe Wal mart. It is time people start taking responsibility for there actions they take.       

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Re: RVer Sues Walmart over Unsafe parking Lot
« Reply #36 on: January 01, 2011, 08:45:06 AM »
The way I see it Wal-Mart lets us stay in their parking lots FREE. it's a parking lot not a camp site. If it's not what you think it is then they should go to a rv park. Things happen in parking lots.  This has got to be a sue happy country and a Lot of people look for anything to sue over. If your walking down the road and some one stops and robs you do you sue the county because the county's not safe?

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Re: RVer Sues Walmart over Unsafe parking Lot
« Reply #37 on: January 01, 2011, 11:16:43 AM »
Funny how people who do not like WalMart, or how they operate still support them by shopping there. ( It's allways crowded when we go there
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Re: RVer Sues Walmart over Unsafe parking Lot
« Reply #38 on: January 01, 2011, 11:56:22 AM »
Funny how people who do not like WalMart, or how they operate still support them by shopping there.
It's the same thing with Microsoft and even BP, for that matter.  A large enough company nearly always has enemies or "ginners" who also continue to use its services, but it obviously has a goodly number of proponents, too, or it wouldn't be that large in the first place.  Much like the Federal government, for that matter.  The problem is when the company morphs into something that is not representative of the original service that attracted patrons in the first place.
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Re: RVer Sues Walmart over Unsafe parking Lot
« Reply #39 on: January 01, 2011, 02:39:50 PM »
I have relatives who will not shop at Wal Mart, but will spend time on their lots while traveling, sometimes as much as two or three days. I told one of them it was just because she was too cheap to pay a Camp Ground for a site. [She hates being called Cheap.]
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Re: RVer Sues Walmart over Unsafe parking Lot
« Reply #40 on: January 24, 2011, 10:48:28 AM »
Hopefully Wal Mart will continue to allow RV overnight-ers.  This brings up a question regarding answering knocks at the door of an RV.  How could we safely respond to a knock at the door without opening the door?
Our RF has a frosted glass on the door.
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Re: RVer Sues Walmart over Unsafe parking Lot
« Reply #41 on: January 24, 2011, 11:08:16 AM »
I have much the same problem.  It occurred to me, though, that I could use the passenger side mirror to view the area if I can't see the visitor out the side window.
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Re: RVer Sues Walmart over Unsafe parking Lot
« Reply #42 on: January 24, 2011, 01:08:04 PM »
To add to what Molaker said ~~ We have 'side-view' cameras that can be activated while parked (must turn key past 'ACC' but not far enough to engage starter).  Just a thought ~~ not all MH have rear side cameras ~~ but works for us.    JM2   ~~  YMMV
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Re: RVer Sues Walmart over Unsafe parking Lot
« Reply #43 on: January 25, 2011, 07:35:35 AM »
  How could we safely respond to a knock at the door without opening the door?

Sit down on the couch or at the table and slide the window open a crack. They can't see below your chest should you be holding a bag guy repellent and definitely would have trouble forcing their way in.
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Re: RVer Sues Walmart over Unsafe parking Lot
« Reply #44 on: January 25, 2011, 02:09:04 PM »
If they knock on my door, I ask them to state their business and to face the camera, and to provide identification towards the camera unless I know them. If it's an employee or the police that wants us to move on, I thank them and move on. [No opening of the door unless it's the Police and they can show proper identification, while the wife calls the police department to verify if they are supposed to be there.]

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Re: RVer Sues Walmart over Unsafe parking Lot
« Reply #45 on: February 02, 2011, 11:13:31 PM »
I agree with what many have posted here.  It is absolutely ridiculous that they are suing Walmart. It may lead to stores refusing Rv'ers from staying over night.

We recently stayed at a Walmart over night on the OR/ID border.  There were signs for NO TRUCK parking.  I can't remember if there was a NO overnight parking sign too.  I did ask an employee there about their policy and they said that it was alright to stay over in the back lot.  Shortly after our arrival, several other RV's parked too.

My husband (who is a truck driver) said that many of the Walmarts are refusing TRUCKS due to the truck drivers that are continuously tossing "pee" bottles and other garbage.  Many of the Walmarts are also installing height bars to ensure that the Trucks can not get into the lots to park.  This is all frustrating, when so many of us take the time to pick up after ourselves.  We just want a quick place to rest, get food & supplies, then move on.

Too bad it takes just one idiot to ruin it for the rest of us.

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Re: RVer Sues Walmart over Unsafe parking Lot
« Reply #46 on: February 03, 2011, 08:36:14 AM »
To give Walmart lawsuits a bit of perspective, consider these quotes from a 2001 USA Today article:

"By its own count, Wal-Mart was sued 4,851 times last year or nearly once every two hours, every day of the year. Juries decide a case in which Wal-Mart is a defendant about six times every business day, usually in favor of the Bentonville, Ark., retail giant. Wal-Mart lawyers list about 9,400 open cases."

And:

"Wal-Mart, which promotes itself as a down-home friendly business, is helping change the nature of corporate litigation by aggressively fighting many cases even when it would be cheaper for the company to settle, analysts say."

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2001/08/14/walmart-usat.htm
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Re: RVer Sues Walmart over Unsafe parking Lot
« Reply #47 on: February 03, 2011, 10:31:41 AM »
Many of the cases brought against Wall-Mart are labor relations cases..

At one time the "Company" most likely to loose a labor relations case was the State of Michigan.. They lost over half of all cases brought against them (The national average is closer to 1/3)

Wall-Mart fixed that.. Michigan is now #2 on the list.  and the national average has gone up a bit thanks to Wall-mart.

And of course there are thousands of "Let's Get Paid" cases which are nothing more than daylight robbery attempts.

And then there are cases where say "Joe's Natural Foods" ships contaminated goods to Wall-Mart and Wall-Mart is thus named in the suit, even though it's Joe's fault. (Joe's is a generic name and apologies tendered to any company with the real namne of Joe's Natural Foods, if same should exist)
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Re: RVer Sues Walmart over Unsafe parking Lot
« Reply #48 on: November 09, 2011, 09:09:15 AM »
OK let me get this straight...a former cop shoots a man in the back and gets away with it. As a paralegal I would love to work on this case. As a former officer, he knows better than opening the door. We are in motor-homes, you do not need to open a door to have a conversation. He asks for a ride and you say "sorry, not going that way and he moves on". Second, what is he doing opening the door with a shot gun? If you are that scared, don't open the door. Third, he shot him in the back? The man was already out of the vehicle, close the door !!!!!! As a former officer he should have been held to a higher standard than the average person. As a paralegal, I am. I also have a personal protection device, however, I have been trained to use it for protection not vengeance. Where is the due diligence the officer should have used to avoid this situation? Who do you really think paid off the officers and court? I would be interested in finding out if his 1.5 million dollar home had another mortgage put on it.  If I was the man's father, I would be going after my new vacation home in FL. Just a thought, what states did he cross to get to this Wal-Mart? Some states will not allow you to possess or transport weapons of any kind loaded. Even if he had a permit to carry in FL, it does not mean it is valid in other states. Just more to think about.........hummmmmm.
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Re: RVer Sues Walmart over Unsafe parking Lot
« Reply #49 on: November 09, 2011, 11:37:18 AM »
Are there any intelligent judges  :-\

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Re: RVer Sues Walmart over Unsafe parking Lot
« Reply #50 on: November 09, 2011, 12:02:51 PM »
Are there any intelligent judges  :-\

I have known several in my lifetime.  Unfortunately, they're all either retired or deceased.
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Re: RVer Sues Walmart over Unsafe parking Lot
« Reply #51 on: November 19, 2011, 09:54:10 PM »
As a paralegal ...

as a paralegal, you should probably get your facts from more than just other posts on a forum. read the Salt Lake Tribune article - the man who was shot entered in to the RV and was killed while struggling with the owner over the shotgun. there is no statement in any associated account of the incident that the man was shot outside the unit or "in the back". there is also no source stating that the owner answered the door with the gun. in fact, the family (they had their two children with them) believed that the person knocking was store security and didn't anticipate a confrontation with an individual who, according to his own family, was a drug addict. again - you are quick to condemn the shooter without researching the facts of the case. which, if i understand correctly, is precisely your line of work....

i do disagree with the suit against Wal-Mart - even though it isn't completely without merit. right or wrong aside; it makes life harder for the rest of us.
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Re: RVer Sues Walmart over Unsafe parking Lot
« Reply #52 on: November 22, 2011, 10:55:30 PM »
As a paralegal I did use sources other than what was reported in a newspaper or posted in a forum.Unfortunately, certain details are not available to me as I am not working with the legal team involved in this case.  As we all know, the paper will not be able to release information that family and friends have personal knowledge of. The gentleman that was a personal friend of the father would have knowledge that the paper would not have. The father would have knowledge of his son being shot in the back, especially if he identified the body. It would be reasonable for the father to share this information with other friends and family members. Do you really believe that a former police officer, in an unfamiliar area, traveling with his children, would not ask for identification before opening the door. That is the hard part, because of his former occupation, he would know better. It is his due diligence to the public and his family to avoid these situations, in this case he apparently did not. If he would have done so.....things may have turned out differently. I will look into the drug usage as being a major contributing factor, however, what I read earlier pertaining to his priors did not have any reference to violent altercations. Depending upon what information I can obtain (based upon restrictions in the different court systems) is how I look at a case. I do not accept the reporting of a newspaper as the gospel of a story. It is only one of many sources (depending upon the opinions of the writer). Until a trial, if there is a trial, most information is kept close to the investigation. So until someone close to the case starts talking............all you get is newspaper reports and second hand opinions. Please remember that I am not on this case therefore I do not have privilege. I cannot obtain scientific or medical information that is not released per public policy. I am basing my opinions upon personal and professional experiences (with police officers), as a paralegal, juvenile probation officer, court officer, therapeutic foster parent, and mother of 6.  The children are the true victims in this case, the adults all played a part in the tragedy. They made  choices that will affect the children for the rest of their lives.
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Re: RVer Sues Walmart over Unsafe parking Lot
« Reply #53 on: November 23, 2011, 09:02:51 AM »
"That will affect the children for the rest of their lives"

You do not know that, NOBODY can possibly know that yet whenever something like this happens it seems they bring in psychologists by he bus load. (More or less depending on the number of children) Children are a whole lot more resilient than we adults give them credit for.  And the LASTING TRAMA, if any, will be due to those very same "Experts" questioning them over and over and over about it.   IT should be like what I told a reporter once  (Now in fairness this reporter was NOT invovled in this kind of stuff)

You shove a mic in my face after someone kills a loved one and ask me how I feel about it.. You are going to need a proctologist to recover your mic.


The only questions I have on this case are these: Has the final gavel banged, and if so what was the decision?
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Re: RVer Sues Walmart over Unsafe parking Lot
« Reply #54 on: December 22, 2011, 07:07:30 AM »
Hopefully, an intelligent judge

I believe this may be an oxymoron. . . . .  :o
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Re: RVer Sues Walmart over Unsafe parking Lot
« Reply #55 on: December 22, 2011, 06:48:08 PM »
I recall one day in the court house "peanut gallery" (Neither plaintiff, Defendant or witness, just an interested 3rd party)   At the resentensing of 4 yahoos who killed one o my troopers one evening when he was off duty.

I won't describe way... But I would have to say he was one very intelligent judge.   I very much liked him.
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Re: RVer Sues Walmart over Unsafe parking Lot
« Reply #56 on: March 22, 2012, 05:35:30 AM »
Are there any intelligent judges  :-\
They are all intelligent. More law suits more demand for legal services more lawyers and judges needed. Any case is good case.
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