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brodi3man

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how to care for tpo roof.
« on: August 15, 2010, 11:25:21 AM »
I am looking to purchase a camper with a tpo roof on it.  I've only owned sheet metal roofs in the past and know the clean and tar routine very well.  I have never cared for a tpo roof.  Do they need a sealer or UV protectant applied?  Should i have it dealer inspected yearly?  How long do they last?   

Camper is a 2006 Jay feather 23B

Thanks much!

Brodie
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blueblood

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Re: how to care for tpo roof.
« Reply #1 on: August 15, 2010, 12:13:09 PM »
They are basically maintenance free for up to ten years. However, many folks like to was off with soap. A presenter from the roofing material manufacturer once made this comment at an FMCA rally and some one in audience said his RV was next to his house and when he looked out the window he could see the dirty roof. The presenter told him to move the RV. LOL

Here is Dicor statement which does address cleaning

Truth About EPDM Rubber Roofs

 
bullet   EPDM Rubber: What it is and why it lasts so long.
bullet   Proper Care: What manufacturers actually recommend
bullet   WATCH OUT! For RV products that can damage EPDM rubber & void your warranty!
bullet   How to keep your EPDM rubber roof clean & looking like new.

Overview

EPDM is one of the most versatile and long lasting materials ever manufactured for outdoor exposure. Most RV industry experts consider EPDM rubber roofing membrane the most dependable, most cost effective and easiest to maintain roofing material there is. Yet, today's average RVer is deluged with information, a great deal of it misinformation. Consequently, RVers are spending millions on unneeded products, many of which can be harmful to EPDM rubber roofs.

This Public Service Announcement details the truth about EPDM and reprints manufacturer's guidelines on cleaning and maintaining the EPDM rubber roofing membrane on your RV. If you have questions after reviewing the material, please contact Dicor Corporation, the RV industry's largest supplier of EPDM rubber roofing. Dicor's address and phone numbers are provided.

Mis-Information, Mistakes & Money

EPDM stands for Ethylene Propylene Diene Monomer. Engineering specifications describe EPDM as, "Ideal for outdoor applications because of its excellent resistance to ultra-violet light, ozone, oxidants and severe weather conditions."

EPDM rubber roofing membrane is made to last 20 years or longer and has a 10 to 12 year guarantee depending on the brand. The guarantee does not require the use of any protective 'roof treatment' or 'roof protector' product and recommends only cleaning. Unlike natural rubber (latex) or blends (tires & wiper blades), EPDM does not require periodic applications of any product to protect it from ultra-violet light or ozone.

The statement or implication that you should purchase and apply a product to "protect" your rubber roof the elements is misinformation. Buying and using such a product can be a mistake and may even damage the EPDM membrane.

Petroleum Distillates... Not for EPDM

Petroleum distillates are incompatible with and should never be used on a number of plastics including vinyl and rubbers, particularly EPDM. Engineering specifications rate EPDM's solvent and oil resistance as "POOR". Dicor's Care and Maintenance instructions warn:

"CAUTION: DO NOT use cleaners or conditioners containing petroleum solvents, harsh abrasives or citric based cleaners. You may cause irreparable damage to your roof."

Laboratory tests conducted in July of 1996 evaluated the effect of a leading RV "roof treatment" product on EPDM roofing membrane using standard sunlamp and immersion testing procedures. The "roof treatment", which contained petroleum distillates, caused a 63% mass change (swelling). In the summary/recommendations portion of the lab test the scientists stated they would recommend the "roof treatment" and more tellingly noted, "Per the MSDS, this product contains petroleum distillates, a substance that is known to be INCOMPATIBLE with... EPDM sheeting".

For your rubber roof, for the EPDM door and truck seals around slide-outs/pop-ups, in the baggage compartments or for the EPDM door and trunk seals in your car, petroleum distillates are a huge "no no". And don't be fooled by names such as "organic solvent", "hydrocarbon carrier", etc. Petroleum distillates by any other name should NEVER be applied to EPDM. If you aren't sure about a product, contact the manufacturer and have them send you a copy of the Material Safety Data Sheet (MSDS). Look under the section entitled "HAZARDOUS INGREDIENTS". If it lists any petroleum distillates, do not use it on EPDM.

Frequently Asked Questions

Q: Is it necessary to protect my rubber roof against UV light?
A: No.

Q: What do I need to do to care for my rubber roof?
A: Periodic cleaning (See Dicor Care & Maintenance instructions)

Q: One manufacturer told me their roof treatment product had only a minor percentage of petroleum distillates, something like 20 or 30%. Does the percentage matter?
A: No. Usually percentages given are based on weight. Since petroleum distillates are significantly lighter than water, in reality 30% by weight might be 40% or more by volume. But the percentage of petroleum distillates doesn't matter. THERE IS NO LEVEL OF PETROLEUM DISTILLATES THAT IS RECOMMENDED.

Q: If I use a roof treatment product containing petroleum distillates on my rubber roof, can that void my warranty?
A: Yes

Q: If I'm going to buy a used RV and it has a rubber roof, how can I tell if the previous owner used petroleum distillates and damaged the rubber roof? What would the damage look like?
A: Two things: First, swelling. Uneven thickness of material. Second, loose areas. Petroleum distillates soak in and cause the adhesive to loosen and the membrane to balloon. Then, when the ballooning goes down, it may never again adhere properly or completely.

Q: Is it easy to repair tears in the roof membrane?
A: Any tear in an EPDM roof membrane can be repaired using a number of repair methods. Dicor has a prepackaged peel and stick repair kit that works well on small tears (up to 8"), a larger kit that should be used on larger damaged areas, and also rolls of peel and stick material for long, narrow tears.

Q: Oxidation: My roof seems to oxidize and run down the sides when it rains. What's going on?
A: First, EPDM roofing membrane does oxidize slowly; it's supposed to. In a dozen years it may oxidize 10% of its thickness. This is normal. Cleaning at least four times a year will help greatly, more often if your local conditions and experience warrant.

Q: The rubber roofing wraps over slightly on both sides of my RV and you can see it from the ground. It gets dirty and doesn't look good. What can I do about this?
A: Clean the area and treat it with a product that will repel soiling and is safe for EPDM. One product that performs and lasts well, is safe for EPDM and is commonly available at RV stores is 303 Protectant.

 

Dicor Corporation    P.O. Box 1806   Elkhart, Indiana 46515
Tel. (219) 264-2699 Fax (219) 293-2017 Toll Free (800) 837-2059
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Re: how to care for tpo roof.
« Reply #2 on: August 15, 2010, 12:17:24 PM »
You get a myriad  of answers.  Wash with soap and water a couple of times a year, never use any petroleum  based products, and try not to park under sap oozing trees. (That's the hard part!)

brodi3man

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Re: how to care for tpo roof.
« Reply #3 on: August 15, 2010, 12:24:39 PM »
Thats what i was looking for guys.  thanks much!
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Re: how to care for tpo roof.
« Reply #4 on: August 15, 2010, 09:49:17 PM »
In reference to the above tips from Dicor, a TPO roof is NOT the same as an EPDM rubber roof. Do not confuse the two materials.  TPO has a fairly hard and shiny surface, washes clean easily and does NOT oxidize like EPDM.

The only "treatment" needed is to wash it occasionally using any convenient detergent and a soft brush or sponge mop. Some folks like to use a product like Protect-all Rubber Roof Treatment to make it wash clean easier, but I'm told that Johnson's Mop & Glow floor wax works just as well. In either case, it is for cosmetic reasons and not to prolong the life of the roof.
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blueblood

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Re: how to care for tpo roof.
« Reply #5 on: August 16, 2010, 10:19:05 AM »
TPO and EPDM are both rubber and therefore the caution on petroleum based cleaners is applicable. Here is another article that sort of addresses this but leans to describing EPDM as well  http://www.mydrv.net/roof_maintenance.htm
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brodi3man

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Re: how to care for tpo roof.
« Reply #6 on: August 16, 2010, 10:21:02 AM »
Thanks Gary!  That clears up a a lot. 

I was curious about this because i heard of leaks in the jay feather TT im looking to purchase.   But it seems the leaks are from neglecting to check the AC gasket bolts on a regular basis and have nothing to do with the TPO material. 
2006 Jayco Jay feather M-23B
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tow vehicle: 2005 Expedition 5.4L
prodigy brake controller

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Re: how to care for tpo roof.
« Reply #7 on: August 16, 2010, 11:07:13 AM »
There are several possible causes for roof leaks, but the material itself, and maintenance thereof, is not one of them. Instead, worry about the numerous caulked seams and the a/c gasket.
Gary
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« Reply #8 on: August 17, 2010, 01:57:54 AM »
Leo,

Do you have permission from the author &/or copyright holder to post that article. If not, could you please provide a link to the source. Please read our forum rules re the need to respect copyright. TIA.
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Re: how to care for tpo roof.
« Reply #9 on: August 17, 2010, 11:16:21 AM »
The articles are on my website (mydrv.net) and I received permission to use them back in ~1999-2000. I must admit I probably would be hard pressed to find the approvals, i.e.paper/e-mail trail, if pressed these 10 years later but on my Credits page I do spell out sources of approvals.  Remove them if problem.
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« Reply #10 on: August 17, 2010, 12:42:22 PM »
Thanks Leo. If you believe you have permission to re-post here, that's fine. If not, we could change the article to a brief extract and post a link to the "approved" one on your site.
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« Reply #11 on: August 17, 2010, 07:01:48 PM »
Let's just consider mission accomplished, i.e. OP has been cautioned on using petro based cleaners, and delete them.
Leo