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« Reply #30 on: September 19, 2010, 01:51:49 PM »
I guess I have had my rig going on 8 or 9 years now.  I am NEVER surprised anymore when something random falls off of it.  Been happening since the get go.  Every trip.  Something falls off or falls apart or disintegrates.  You won't get any kudos out of me on Winnebago craftsmanship OR materials.  Cheap cheap cheap.
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« Reply #31 on: September 19, 2010, 04:45:54 PM »
I'm beginning to think that this just the "nature of the beast", like you said every trip even if it just 120mi to the beach or 6 hrs riding, there is always something to work on when I get back. I'll just have to build one myself!
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« Reply #32 on: September 19, 2010, 07:47:54 PM »
Well, I partially agree. But realistically speaking even the best built coach is going to have some issues. I have been in the mid west and now the north east since I bought the rig and have been on some REALLY crappy roads. There has been so much road construction that some days half of the days miles have been on torn up wash board surfaces. Thats why attention to detail is so important in these rigs though. Knowing how much abuse these rigs get just in every day use, every part needs to be secured as best as possible. 
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« Reply #33 on: September 19, 2010, 08:17:14 PM »
We've got about 62,000 miles on our Horizon and only two things have fallen off - about six or eight wood plugs - every now and then we hear a plink (assuming the plug falls on the tile), I just throw them in the junk basket.  And we had some wood trim on a pocket door track pop off.

Like Marty, we have been on some amazingly bad roads.  Last summer some of the worst we drove were in Mass - I remember a really bad stretch was a toll road.  And then the bad roads in BC and the Yukon - sometimes a frost heave would sneak up on us and I would have thought we left a trail of parts we hit so hard.  Nope.
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« Reply #34 on: September 19, 2010, 08:50:38 PM »
I'm beginning to think that this just the "nature of the beast", like you said every trip even if it just 120mi to the beach or 6 hrs riding, there is always something to work on when I get back.

I have a 1993 Itasca Suncruiser on a 1992 Ford F-53 chassis with 140,000 miles on it and have NEVER had anything fall off of it or fall a part. I have, however, found several screws in various locations around the motor home which came off of or out of something. I have never found where they came from but have them all in a small container just in case I find something missing a screw.

I guess quality control varies from coach to coach or perhaps it was much better back in the day.

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« Reply #35 on: September 19, 2010, 11:37:01 PM »
I'm beginning to think that this just the "nature of the beast", like you said every trip even if it just 120mi to the beach or 6 hrs riding, there is always something to work on when I get back. I'll just have to build one myself!

I don't mind so much having to fix something at home, its having to order  parts and replace replace them while out in the boonies someplace.  So far after 6 years I've had to order day/night shades that cratered while vacationing, had the washing machine leak water on two different trips because the winterizing instructions were incorrect, replace the rear camera in a campground, have a shuttle valve for the HWH slideout/levelers shipped to me at my next stop, and so far on this trip I've had to order a new Fantastic Vent plastic cover that broke the raise/lower bracket and bought a set of water heater thermostats because the first night out the heater would not work on propane or electricity either one.  Granted, they are all somewhat minor in character but its just the nuisance when you're trying to relax on vacation.   Course this doesn't count all the pieces of trim and molding in the bathroom/bedroom area that are working loose and the creaking floor in the same area that Forest City has failed to fix during two different trips.
Years ago I understand the automobile manufacturers used to tell the dealers that they guaranteed all the parts were there on new vehicles and it was up to the dealers to make them work correct.   This may still be true in the RV industry but the only problem is that competent RV dealers are few and very far apart.   If an RV owner is fortunate enough to be within decent driving distance from one he should thank his heavenly stars.

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« Reply #36 on: September 20, 2010, 08:12:34 AM »
I know it can be a hassle to have to repair sometihing when we are in a place we don't know well. But when should we expect something to break? ...when it is sitting in your driveway?  ...or when it is actually being used?  If you want to fix it at  your stick house keep it parked there and use it in the driveway! ...Don't go further than a few blocks from the driveway and make sure you never park overnight anywhere else   If you use it somewhere else, I guess it is YOUR fault when it breaks somewhere other than in your driveway!  ;)

I have had a few strange repairs ...5 ft piece of trim in the bedroom that was attached only with double-sided tape, and ditto on screw holes in the galley sideout roof above the microwave...

Actually mine NEVER breaks when I am "away from home." If you want yours to behave as well as mine, move into it fulltime and MAKE it your home.  :)

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« Reply #37 on: September 20, 2010, 08:30:46 PM »
You know, don't get me wrong. I do love to tinker and work on the MH.  I just prefer not to have to bolt on the basic material parts that were given a lick and a promise instead of a decent attempt. But, most importantly I'm left with a feeling that my concerns were actually heard by someone in a position of authority. I respect that.
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« Reply #38 on: September 21, 2010, 02:34:15 AM »
(I've been watching this thread quietly and cautiously cuz I haven't had any issues whatsoever, so I'm speaking reeel quiet-like...)
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« Reply #39 on: September 21, 2010, 05:15:28 AM »
Speaking of washboard roads... This spring on the beginning of our trip, in Tennessee, we drove about 50 miles on a true washboard road.  I noticed something swinging out on the right side of the rig out the mirror.  I stopped to find that the rear bedroom window (fire escape) had self-unlatched and was blowing in the breeze.  Luckly no damage.  I just re-latched it and it has never happened again. :)
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« Reply #40 on: September 21, 2010, 06:56:27 AM »
I look at it this way, the -average- small coach is the better part of 60 large on a gas cutaway chasis that the converter pays  perhaps, $12,000 for; so for about 48 g's shouldn't the consumer get a product that does NOT shed parts going down the road?

RL pretty much nails it with the suggestion  that quality was different-better in the older rv's, or it seems so from the  ones I have looked at. 

I do believe that some of the new materials are superior, for instance pex as compared to copper-I will take the longevity of pex over the anti bacterial characteristics of copper any day and the modern drivetrains  are hands down far better than the older ones, will anyone argue that galvanized sheet metal does not make sense?

But thats about it, osb no thanks-mdf double no thanks-plastic fixtures/paper thin faux wood paneling/ the list goes on and on, they should be ashamed and made to be accountable to every person they have screwed-or perhaps more accurately, they should be made accountable for everything they have NOT screwed (down that is), staples? on high end coaches, bet they were NOT barbed ones either.

What a perfect slogan for a manufacturer, "BB manufacturing, we screw the coach not the customer"-gotta admit, thats cool.

If the workmanship is horrible on things you can see what do you think the things you cannot see are like?

BUT what really concerns me is that there seems to be an attitude that its ok for damage to be sustained during travel on 'rough' roads, a very, very interesting mindset.
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« Reply #41 on: September 21, 2010, 02:40:08 PM »
Someone shared the WB email address early in this thread so I emailed or@winnebagoind.com with the following email:

Hello OR,
 
I got this email address from the RV-forum.com.  I was told that someone at WB actually reads these emails.  I elected to give it a try.
 
We have an Itasca, a 2007 model, called a 34H Meridian.  We've had a fair amount of trouble with this and that as we learned about the trials and tribulations of a MH.
 
I have worked diligently for two years in a vain attempt to fix one PITA that I've never understood why it falls to me, the customer, to repair.  I've talked to a couple of dealers and service managers, both WB shops and others and they all say kinda the same thing..."tough, that's the way it is".
 
Now, of course, being a retired design engineer I don't accept this answer.
 
The issue is the rain gutter.  On this vehicle and many others, the rain gutter stops and drips right in the middle of the only door into and out of the coach.  On the driver's side, the non-door side, it ends at the same station and drips over the window we use to see the rear view mirror.  Naturally, this goes on and on until all the water, snow, sleet, from the roof has drained which can be hours.
 
I cannot, for the life of me, come up with a clue as to why a vehicle would have been designed this way, but, it was.
 
I have tried various rememdies like gutter extensions, drip extenders, tape of all sorts but nothing seems to help very much or lasts more than a month or so.
 
I've even thought of selling the MH just so I don't have to think about it anymore.
 
My most recent thought is to cut it off and do without one.
 
Do you have any suggestions? And maybe some rationale for why the gutter ends where it does and who benefits from the configuration?
 
thanks


I got a call from Tom at WB.  He said this is not a new question at WB and the engineering dept has determined that the tradeoff for fixing this is not worth the cost to do so.  Evidently sales doesn't get many complaints so they don't put any pressure on marketing.  So WB's will continue to be this way.  He did say that an awning will help, after you stop of course.  FWIW, now everyone knows what I know which isn't much.
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« Reply #42 on: September 21, 2010, 03:13:38 PM »
(I've been watching this thread quietly and cautiously cuz I haven't had any issues whatsoever, so I'm speaking reeel quiet-like...)

Cross your fingers, lift one leg and spin in a circle while repeating "Please don't let parts fly off, Please don't let parts fly off........."
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« Reply #43 on: September 21, 2010, 03:31:49 PM »
I do believe that some of the new materials are superior, for instance pex as compared to copper-I will take the longevity of pex over the anti bacterial characteristics of copper any day and the modern drivetrains  are hands down far better than the older ones, will anyone argue that galvanized sheet metal does not make sense?

But thats about it, osb no thanks-mdf double no thanks-plastic fixtures/paper thin faux wood paneling/ the list goes on and on, they should be ashamed and made to be accountable to every person they have screwed-or perhaps more accurately, they should be made accountable for everything they have NOT screwed (down that is), staples? on high end coaches, bet they were NOT barbed ones either.


Well, I partially agree with you BB. However it's not all about just using cheaper and lighter materials to save a buck. A lot of it has to do with the coaches of today are WAY more complicated and HEAVIER than the older ones. A buddy of mine has a 1986 Apollo coach that he has kept in pristine condition.  It is 36' long, and is built like a brick out house. And it was quite the standard of luxury for it's time.  But it also has no slides, minimal exterior storage, a weak undersized diesel engine, a propane generator, and one 16" TV mounted in a floor cabinet. 

My 35' Winne has 3 slides, one is full wall, tons of exterior and interior storage, a 6.7 Cummins diesel that pulls me and the 5000# toad at 65 MPH and gets 9 MPG, and 4 flat panel HD TV's, among a bunch of other stuff.  The point is all this extra fun stuff is HEAVY. And trying to fit it all on a coach about the same length as my buddy's sitting on the same tires, something had to give. 

Don't get me wrong, I still think that Quality Control should be JOB NUMBER ONE regardless of the materials. But I can't knock them for thin wall board and plastic parts. It's what we asked for in exchange for all the goodies. 

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« Reply #44 on: September 21, 2010, 07:24:50 PM »
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I stopped to find that the rear bedroom window (fire escape) had self-unlatched and was blowing in the breeze
At least you know it works!! :)  Some folks don't know if their emergency exit will work, and are afraid to try it for fear they won't get it shut after they open it!
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« Reply #45 on: September 21, 2010, 07:42:13 PM »
At least you know it works!! :)  Some folks don't know if their emergency exit will work, and are afraid to try it for fear they won't get it shut after they open it!

Man, that's what happened to me just a few days ago!  I was monkeying with the exit window and couldn't get it to budge.  I was afraid to force it.........
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« Reply #46 on: September 21, 2010, 07:57:07 PM »
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The issue is the rain gutter.  On this vehicle and many others, the rain gutter stops and drips right in the middle of the only door into and out of the coach.  On the driver's side, the non-door side, it ends at the same station and drips over the window we use to see the rear view mirror.  - snip -  did say that an awning will help
  Yep, been there. Have tried every kind of gutter extension I could find with no success ...none really fit. I am blessed with an awning over the entry door, but we STILL had water dripping on us when we opened the door until I applied caulk behing the awning AND added a rubber gutter under awning just above the door ...that stopped MOST of the drips...  I added some rubber gutter on the glass on the driver side to divert some of the run-off, but other than that I've pretty much just given up on the driver side.
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« Reply #47 on: September 22, 2010, 08:47:20 PM »
On my last coach I used the adhesive "J" channel on a roll from CW. I put it over the windshield, over the entry door awning, and over the drivers window. It worked really well and stopped 95% of the water run off. I will most likely put it on this rig as well. 
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« Reply #48 on: September 22, 2010, 09:59:41 PM »
On my last coach I used the adhesive "J" channel on a roll from CW. I put it over the windshield, over the entry door awning, and over the drivers window. It worked really well and stopped 95% of the water run off. I will most likely put it on this rig as well.

I put some of that stuff on last May and it does help...  I tried to use it as an extension of the existing gutter though and the joint was awkward.  You just gave me a great suggestion... put some under the existing gutter to catch the run-off and route it away from the door.  If that works, I'll try the drivers side window and then the windshield.  Thanks!!
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« Reply #49 on: September 23, 2010, 06:15:24 AM »
Just curious, why do you put the self adhesive gutter over the windshield? I can understand the driver's window and the entrance door but why the windshield?

Thanks,

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« Reply #50 on: September 23, 2010, 07:43:42 AM »
I used "J" channel around the top of the driver's window and it has helped quite a bit to keep streaks off that large window.  Never saw a need to use it anywhere else on ours.
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« Reply #51 on: September 23, 2010, 04:48:04 PM »
Just curious, why do you put the self adhesive gutter over the windshield? I can understand the driver's window and the entrance door but why the windshield?

Thanks,

Pete


Yep, just what John said.  The way that the upper body slopes just above the window, every time the dew got a little heavy I would get all kinds of drip streaks down the windshield.  And if it was a little dusty first, now they were dirty streaks.  The J channel eliminated 99% of that problem.  I used it for the same reasons above the drivers window and on top of the door awning.  I never thought of putting it under the awning but I guess it would do the same thing...
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« Reply #52 on: September 24, 2010, 02:34:19 AM »
Cross your fingers, lift one leg and spin in a circle while repeating "Please don't let parts fly off, Please don't let parts fly off........."
Twisted my ankle and fell over after 2 turns, but I think the message got thru.. :o
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« Reply #53 on: September 27, 2010, 06:29:55 PM »
Twisted my ankle and fell over after 2 turns, but I think the message got thru.. :o

See, that's where I went wrong. I fell over after the first circle......... ;D
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« Reply #54 on: September 27, 2010, 06:34:57 PM »
Well, I may as well put the newest development here.  It's not Winne's problem, but I am sitting in a Freightliner in East Hartford, Ct.  I have had a squeal coming from my left front wheel since I bought the coach.  I finally stopped to get it checked out. The shop pulled the front wheels and re-torqued the wheel bearings, which were a little loose. Nope, didn't fix it.  They called Bendix for their opinion, and after a few phone calls and pics back and forth, I am spending another night in the parking lot. We will see tomorrow..................
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« Reply #55 on: September 27, 2010, 08:06:12 PM »
..I am spending another night in the parking lot. We will see tomorrow..................

Been there, done that  ::)  Spent some nights at Freightliner in Tolleson (Phoenix), Gaffney, SC; Cummins in Columbus, OH (on a 20 amp outlet at the base of a light pole) and Avondale (Phoenix), etc.  Just one of those things.

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« Reply #56 on: September 27, 2010, 08:18:11 PM »
Yeah, no kidding.  It's just maddening. The squeak is there, you just can't find it..
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« Reply #57 on: September 28, 2010, 06:11:25 PM »
Well, third night in the Freightliner parking lot. But at this time the squeak is gone. After waiting 2 days and a series of e-mails and pictures back and forth with Bendix, the company that made the brake caliper assembly. After 2 days of their engineers looking at it decided "it's not our problem".  Great. Freightliner recommended sanding the pads and rotor faces, and put it all back together. The techs (2 of them) did just that in about an hour. The test drive showed that the squeak was gone, at least for now. Too late to hit the road tonight, it's raining here in Ct and the place we were headed for is 170 miles away.  We will pull out in the morning and hopefully the squeak will remain gone.
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« Reply #58 on: September 28, 2010, 06:38:16 PM »
So that begs the question of what happens if your pads or rotor get replaced in the future - will the squeak reappear requiring more sanding?  I suppose you can be grateful you don't have Bosch brakes on a Workhorse chassis  ;)
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« Reply #59 on: September 28, 2010, 08:09:41 PM »
Yeah, I'm a little surprised by the fix but I guess it worked.  At least for a little while. And if it doesn't then I have made a record for FL to authorize an entire brake job.  Actually I hope it works, I have been listening to that dang squeal for 3 months......
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