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WalMart, Lake Havasu - no stay
« on: January 19, 2006, 11:18:47 PM »
Earlier this evening we were at WalMart in Lake Havasu City (shopping, not camping). There was a sign at the entrance to the parking lot saying "No overnight camping allowed". But a few RVers appeared to be settling in for the night.
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Re: WalMart, Lake Havasu - no stay
« Reply #1 on: January 20, 2006, 08:23:11 AM »
Earlier this evening we were at WalMart in Lake Havasu City (shopping, not camping). There was a sign at the entrance to the parking lot saying "No overnight camping allowed". But a few RVers appeared to be settling in for the night.

Maybe that's why some people call us trailer trash.  :-[

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Re: WalMart, Lake Havasu - no stay
« Reply #2 on: January 20, 2006, 08:38:12 AM »
LOL Phil.

BTW I suspect, but don't know for sure, that the sign is a city sign rather than a WalMart sign. I have to head back down there this morning (Ace Hardware right there was closed when we got there last night) and I'll take another look at it.
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Re: WalMart, Lake Havasu - no stay
« Reply #3 on: January 20, 2006, 11:25:15 AM »
One thing to remember (If it's a city sign) is that the police can not come into the lot to investigate if you are camped or just parked and shopping (less you drop jacks and put stuff out of course) w/o Wal-Mart's invitation.

If you are very clearly camping, instead of parked... Then the officer can respond to the clear crime in progress, but w/o the clear evidence he has to be invited in
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Re: WalMart, Lake Havasu - no stay
« Reply #4 on: January 20, 2006, 01:04:35 PM »
One thing to remember (If it's a city sign) is that the police can not come into the lot to investigate if you are camped or just parked and shopping (less you drop jacks and put stuff out of course) w/o Wal-Mart's invitation.

If you are very clearly camping, instead of parked... Then the officer can respond to the clear crime in progress, but w/o the clear evidence he has to be invited in

Do not bet on that!    The property owner can agree in advance to allow the municipal code to be enforced on his property.   They sure do that around here (California)  to enforce handicapped parking.   In fact, the local shopping centers proudly post the information.
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« Reply #5 on: January 20, 2006, 03:15:57 PM »
A lot of WMs have signs up, that are not to WMs liking.  Usually a local campground is behind the community action that got the sign posted.  We simply speak to the WM manager and in almost every case they tell us no problem staying over night...  that the signs are not or just lightly enforced.

However, I have heard that Lake Havesus is one of the areas that are very strict about it.  Do not know this first hand, but my best friend in Idaho had to pull up and leave.

I wish the campgrounds would get over it.  The people I meet there are on the move, and headed for a distant campground and do not want to be delayed on their long trip.  They need groceries, a good hot meal at a restaruant, and want to be up and running before or by daybreak with no hassels.  I will boycott any campground I find behind such misinformed community action.
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« Reply #6 on: January 20, 2006, 03:34:34 PM »
  I will boycott any campground I find behind such misinformed community action.

Have you joined Good Sam??  They as a part of Affinity Group are one of the biggest supporters to force you into campgrounds.  GS is no longer the RVers friend but have allied themselves with campground organizations.  No GS is NOT the RVers friend.
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« Reply #7 on: January 20, 2006, 03:41:00 PM »
I agree Ron.  I hate the spam I get from all their profitable affiliations.

However I guiltily admit I am still a GS member.  I do use the campground discount feature because their are so many GS campgrounds.  I get back my membership fee very quickly.  I am also getting interested in their insurance, after talking to Bernie.  Bernie informed me you can opt out of a lot of their spam so I want to look into that as well.
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« Reply #8 on: January 20, 2006, 03:53:34 PM »
The ONLY reason I am still a member of GS is because we have a lifetime membership that we got BEFORE Affinity group bought GS.  I we were not lifetime members I wouldn't be a member at all.  If your going to boycott campgrounds then Boycott one of the sources of the problem by boycotting GS.
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Re: WalMart, Lake Havasu - no stay
« Reply #9 on: January 20, 2006, 03:58:19 PM »
I can't remember if I read it here or elsewhere, but someone said they checked out this question and found that the local "NO PARKING" ordinances are bylaws and the property owner has to complain in order for the town to enforce the bylaw. This person indicated that, with the Manager's permission, they had parked overnight (again, no slides, chairs, BBQs, etc.) and had no problems.

Anyone else have this understanding?

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« Reply #10 on: January 20, 2006, 10:51:06 PM »
I do not know that for sure, but I can state that I have been in many WM's overnight that had posted no parking signs and the manager told us to ignore them.  When we are really tired and run into that situation, we park, get a cart of groceries and sundries, then with the cart we go find the manager before checking out, and ask permission.  I think the grocery cart helps the manager encourage us.   ;D
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Re: WalMart, Lake Havasu - no stay
« Reply #11 on: January 21, 2006, 12:10:52 AM »
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I can't remember if I read it here or elsewhere, but someone said they checked out this question and found that the local "NO PARKING" ordinances are bylaws and the property owner has to complain in order for the town to enforce the bylaw.

I have got to inject a note of caution here.  This involves the laws of two nations -- Canada and the USA.   Futhermore, in Canada the laws of 10 provinces and 3 territories.  In the USA, the laws of 50 states.   Each of these soveriegnties is going to have its own laws and spin on enforcement actions be they statutes or local ordinances.   To make things more complicated, the police of different localities will have differing policies and ordinance.

In a strange area, make no presumptions.  Assume that sign prohibitions can and will be enforced.   If you can, ask permission of the property's management if you are going to squat overnight.  Seek local knowledge.
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Re: WalMart, Lake Havasu - no stay
« Reply #12 on: January 21, 2006, 08:31:24 AM »
Here in Florida the "no overnight RV parking" restrictions on private property are nearly always local or county land use (zoning) restrictions. Basically they say that any overnight accomodations must be either private residences or licensed public accomodations such as motels and campgrounds.   Zoning laws give the municipality controls over private property that other laws cannot.  Code enforcement officials can find property owners in violation without being "invited" onto the property and fine the proprty owner for maintaining his property in violation of ordnances.  That gives the owner (e.g. Walmart or the shopping mall owner) a lot of incentive to prevent infractions or to invite the police to enforce a "no overnight parking" sign on their property.  And as Carl says, often the police have a blanket invitation  that allows them to act on the property without specific invitation - this would be common in larger cities where active police patrols are used to help assure the safety of the parking lot for patrons.

And if the Walmart is part of a shopping mall, then it is the mall owners rules & agreements that apply rather than the Walmart manager's.
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« Reply #13 on: January 21, 2006, 01:48:15 PM »
Well the simple key is when you see a no parking sign at a WM, go in and talk to the manager.
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Re: WalMart, Lake Havasu - no stay
« Reply #14 on: January 22, 2006, 09:34:33 AM »
Even simpler:   When you see a No Parking sign, don't park overnight.
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« Reply #15 on: January 22, 2006, 11:25:00 AM »
Gary:

Read up the thread.  Often you CAN stay overnight in spite of the signs.  Just ask the manager.
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Re: WalMart, Lake Havasu - no stay
« Reply #16 on: January 23, 2006, 09:10:32 AM »
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Often you CAN stay overnight in spite of the signs.  Just ask the manager.

Do you mean ask him why he posted the sign in the lot?   ???

Sure, you can stay at your own risk and hope the No Parking won't be enforced - it often is not - but that's your choice. The manager may tell you he will not make a complaint or call the police himself, but clearly he (or the property owner) put the sign there for a reason.
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Re: WalMart, Lake Havasu - no stay
« Reply #17 on: January 23, 2006, 11:25:34 AM »
Only once have I been told to move on in the middle of the night and that was one time too many. That was also the only time I (innocently) camped for the night where I shouldn't have.
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« Reply #18 on: January 23, 2006, 12:02:43 PM »
Hi Gary:

>> Do you mean ask him why he posted the sign in the lot?   
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Last year while visiting Laughlin I parked under a no parking sign on one of the local parking lots. Many other RV's were parked in the same area and obviously were spending the night. The first thing I did was ask a local policeman if that was OK. He said yes, if I behave myself.

He went on to explain that the reason the "owner's" of lots that are OK with RVer's spending time on their lots ask for the signs is so they have the legal authority to remove them if they cause problems (such as leaving trash, making too much noise, or whatever kinda trouble they may cause). If the local government sign wasn't there, the nuisance RVer would be much harder for the owner to remove.
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« Reply #19 on: January 25, 2006, 12:12:38 PM »
Gary:

Bob aptly explained one of the reasons for asking the manager.  I was referring specifically to WalMart.  So another reason is that at WalMart, they never post their own sign.  It is always done as a result of community action.  WalMart actually opposes such actions.  In many cases, they know it is not enforced and simply prevents overcrowding.  Kind of reminds me of Direct TV and Direcway, where they have rules about your location, but loosely enforce them for RVers who are capable.

In Myrtle Beach we ran into an interesting situation.  There was confusion on our week long reservation and the campground suggested we park at WM until they got our site ready.  WM had such a sign posted but the campground told us it was not enforced and to parkl there.   When we talked with the WM manager, we learned it was that same campground, along with others, who was behind the civil action that created the sign.   ;D
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Re: WalMart, Lake Havasu - no stay
« Reply #20 on: February 04, 2006, 03:40:36 AM »
Have you joined Good Sam??  They as a part of Affinity Group are one of the biggest supporters to force you into campgrounds.  GS is no longer the RVers friend but have allied themselves with campground organizations.  No GS is NOT the RVers friend.


As a newbies living outside the US we came across Good Sam first and joined - you gotta start somewhere! If GS is not the RVers friend, who is? I have to admit that the Wall Mart thing sounds great but probably wouldn't be for us, just doesn't appeal - we'd be on a holiday and woudl want a pleasant area, with facilities etc so the parking lot of a store doens't really fit that bill :-)

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Re: WalMart, Lake Havasu - no stay
« Reply #21 on: February 04, 2006, 05:29:30 AM »
Jason:

You are right on.  WM is not a substitution for a campground and an overnight stop at a WM serves an entirely different purpose than a stop at a campground.  I am opposed to anyone using WM in place of a campground.  We use WM as a safe and convenient place to overnight when we are on the move between campgrounds located great distances apart.  I find mostly fulltimers at WM who are working the Interstates for a two or three day long haul.  Campgrounds are just not practical for that purpose, unless you want amenities and have the extra time for registration, finding them off road, etc.  Most weekenders have no need at all for an overnight stay at WM or Cracker Barrel or a truck stop.
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Re: WalMart, Lake Havasu - no stay
« Reply #22 on: February 04, 2006, 07:36:01 AM »
There is no stay at either of the Super Walmarts on I84 in New York.  There may be a no parking if Walmart doesn't actually own the parking lot (like in a mall).

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« Reply #23 on: February 04, 2006, 09:54:51 AM »
As a newbies living outside the US we came across Good Sam first and joined - you gotta start somewhere! If GS is not the RVers friend, who is? I have to admit that the Wall Mart thing sounds great but probably wouldn't be for us, just doesn't appeal - we'd be on a holiday and woudl want a pleasant area, with facilities etc so the parking lot of a store doens't really fit that bill :-)


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Re: WalMart, Lake Havasu - no stay
« Reply #24 on: April 16, 2010, 02:18:57 PM »
Maybe that's why some people call us trailer trash.  :-[
I know this is an old posting, but some people may be interested to know that if you travel 5-15mls south of Havasu, you will see some great RV spots on BLM land that are regularly used by passing RVers, & they are set back off the main road so you don't get the usual Wallyworld irritating noises in the night!

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« Reply #25 on: April 16, 2010, 02:36:38 PM »
I stayed at the Lake Havasu Walmart last year for several nights without a problem. Several other RVs spent the night also.

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« Reply #26 on: April 16, 2010, 06:35:28 PM »
I stayed at the Lake Havasu Walmart last year for several nights without a problem. Several other RVs spent the night also.

Since the original post was made over 4 years ago, perhaps the Lake Havasu WM has changed its policy.
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« Reply #27 on: April 16, 2010, 09:30:21 PM »

Since the original post was made over 4 years ago, perhaps the Lake Havasu WM has changed its policy.

The last time I was in the Lake Havasu area (8 years ago) I recall seeing a sign that said something like RVs can only stay overnight in RV parks. Wal*Mart had nothing to do with why you could not stay there overnight, they just had to go by the local law.

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« Reply #28 on: April 17, 2010, 08:48:34 AM »
According to the Overnight RV Parking website, the Lake Havasu City Walmart is a no overnight parking area by both city law and mall regulation. This was supposedly confirmed as recently as February, 2010 by a phone call to the store by the administrator of the Overnight RV Parking web site. There are also RVers reports from 2008 and 2009 saying the same.

I suspect that Walmart doesn't care, so if you escape notice by local authorities and mall security (if any), you would be ok.
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Re: WalMart, Lake Havasu - no stay
« Reply #29 on: April 17, 2010, 09:47:40 AM »
Earlier this evening we were at WalMart in Lake Havasu City (shopping, not camping). There was a sign at the entrance to the parking lot saying "No overnight camping allowed". But a few RVers appeared to be settling in for the night.

Generally.. "Overnight" refers to a specific hour (IE: 2am) and if you park till 1:30 and take off anc come back at 3:15, you are good... Generally, note time varies place to place.

Now as it happens.. Depending on the road I actually prefer to drive at night so I can deal with "no overnight" park 6pm to mid, drive mid to 6am, park till noon.

Also, Generally.. It is not the store that makes the rule.. it is the city, county or state.  And the law enforcement types may be "Restricted" from coming onto the lot to ticket you without an invite from management... THIS too depends on where you are parked (What city,county,state)

It also depends on how well the law is written.
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