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Firearms in your RV
« on: December 21, 2010, 05:22:19 PM »
If this has been discussed before I haven't seen it. My question is this: I live in NY and have a concealed carry permit, I have been told that I can take my guns with me (hand guns and long guns) when I travel as long as they remain in my RV as this is considered a dwelling. I know that laws differ from state to state and that some states will actually recognize my concealed carry permit from NY. I prefer to have a weapon on board when I travel and am curious if I can legally do it. Does anyone have knowledge of this or know where I can find it. Thank you
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« Reply #1 on: December 21, 2010, 06:03:43 PM »
Do a web search.  There are a couple of pretty good books that totally cover this subject.

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« Reply #2 on: December 21, 2010, 06:11:33 PM »
Note that crossing the border into Canada and Mexico are yet another set of rules.  I'm pretty sure Canada prohibits visitors from having hand guns but does permit long guns.   Mexico, I think, prohibits both.

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« Reply #3 on: December 21, 2010, 06:19:50 PM »
Use the Search button to find lots of prior discussions on firearms.
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« Reply #4 on: December 21, 2010, 06:28:55 PM »
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Do a web search.  There are a couple of pretty good books that totally cover this subject.

I agree with the web search. But books are usually out of date by the time they are printed. There are so many jurisdictions (constantly changing the rules) that it's impossible to keep a book up to date. Each state is different and then counties and towns within the state add their variations. I recently read that he two states that are toughest on permits for carrying guns are California and Illinois. I thought New York wouldn't even let you keep one in your house. Try http://www.handgunlaw.us/
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« Reply #5 on: December 21, 2010, 07:20:14 PM »
The January 2011 issue of Motorhome Magazine has an article about travelling with firearms in your RV.
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« Reply #6 on: December 21, 2010, 07:48:46 PM »
You can try  this site.   Be aware that in many states the law varies from one city/county to the next. It can vary, somewhatl within a single jurisdiction. And enforcement can vary from one cop to another, down the road.
 
I have found it helpful to call the main office of the state police agency for helpful information, prior to any trip. All but one have been courteous and forthcoming. Some will even warn about local jurisdictions, with varying laws/ordinances.
 
Plan ahead as you go. That is, examine the law/rules where you plan to be tomorrow and next week. You will need to avoid some states in order to keep your sanity, and perhaps your freedom.
 
New York, your state, is one of the examples of a difficult state to travel while following the rules. Massachusets is impossible. Idaho is simple. In Idaho, where I live, you may carry as many guns as you wish, any way you wish except:
 
If you are in an incorporated city, a mining or logging camp, you must have a concealed carry permit to carry concealed. The permit can be from anywhere. Your New York permit will work just fine. You may carry a pistol on your hip or a rifle, slung on your shoulder, almost anyplace you wish to go. (open carry.) You can't carry a firearm into any courthouse or Federal building. You can carry into a law enforcement office if you are so inclined.
 
You need to be fully legally informed, wherever you go. It'll take some extra time out of your day. Good luck and study hard.
 
 
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« Reply #7 on: December 21, 2010, 08:51:20 PM »
Get informed, way better facts out there than wading through opinions in year old threads.  We have the folks that will carry and those that oppose it to those that don't care, but to get up to date info, do a web search. 

New info, is that since just after beginning of the year, you can carry within national parks, however, not into federal buildings.  Little stuff like that yiou need to be aware of.

Just remember, it is tough to add to the arsenol on the road.
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« Reply #8 on: December 21, 2010, 09:07:47 PM »
In California you are allowed to have a handgun or rifle in your vehicle as long as the ammunition is stored and locked separately.
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« Reply #9 on: December 21, 2010, 09:24:01 PM »
There is a book updated and published each year titled Traveler's Guide to the Firearm Laws of the Fifty States.   It provides good information in addition to which states will recognize your permit.

Be aware that Washington D.C., IL, & WI are extremely sensitive

I live in NY and have a concealed carry permit, I have been told that I can take my guns with me (hand guns and long guns) when I travel as long as they remain in my RV as this is considered a dwelling.
   

The dwelling thing may apply once you are parked in a campground, however it is a vehicle when on the road. 
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« Reply #10 on: December 21, 2010, 09:41:40 PM »
CA, ammo locked and stored elsewhere.  hoping for a patient burgler!

Geo's book suggestion is a good one.  I have FL concealed carry, good for 39 states when I last checked. although CA not one.  While I am permitted to carry, I seldom do, and ecerything is stored, not so far that I couldn't get to it, but also keeping me OK most anyplace but CA.
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« Reply #11 on: December 21, 2010, 09:52:55 PM »
For what it's worth:  federal credit card changes that went into effect this year included changes that allow NTL Park carry regulations to mirror those of the state. 
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« Reply #12 on: December 22, 2010, 12:21:25 AM »
If this has been discussed before I haven't seen it. My question is this: I live in NY and have a concealed carry permit, I have been told that I can take my guns with me (hand guns and long guns) when I travel as long as they remain in my RV as this is considered a dwelling. I know that laws differ from state to state and that some states will actually recognize my concealed carry permit from NY. I prefer to have a weapon on board when I travel and am curious if I can legally do it. Does anyone have knowledge of this or know where I can find it. Thank you
I think your concealed permit means nothing and kinda led everyone to read into the question.  I am interpreting that you want to have your gun(s) in your RV...not necessarily loaded lying on your lap while driving. lol    If I am correct, as I see it you have no worries throughout the US.  Even if the gun was loaded back in the bedroom, honestly what would be the big deal? Who would know?  Even if it 'technically' was illegal the intent was obviously not hostile nor terrorist like, so who would question it.  A second assumption I made is your not carrying military like semi/fully automatic weapons, etc....In that case state laws vary on weather you are even allowed to have them.
As mentioned earlier, you get in to crossing country boarders, its an entirely different ball game....
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« Reply #13 on: December 22, 2010, 12:55:38 AM »
The best resource available on the web on this topic is:

http://www.usacarry.com/concealed_carry_permit_reciprocity_maps.html

In addition to the maps they have summaries of state firearms laws.

There are many pitfalls and people have ended up in protracted legal battles over specifics of state laws.

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« Reply #14 on: December 22, 2010, 12:59:16 AM »
I think your concealed permit means nothing and kinda led everyone to read into the question.  I am interpreting that you want to have your gun(s) in your RV...not necessarily loaded lying on your lap while driving. lol    If I am correct, as I see it you have no worries throughout the US.  Even if the gun was loaded back in the bedroom, honestly what would be the big deal? Who would know?  Even if it 'technically' was illegal the intent was obviously not hostile nor terrorist like, so who would question it.

Don't bet your freedom on it.  See for example:

http://www.philly.com/philly/news/111025129.html
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« Reply #15 on: December 22, 2010, 05:44:19 AM »
A Mobile RV

If you can drive your RV right now, itís a vehicle. If you can start the engine and pull away itís a vehicle and the laws are the same as a car. Keep you firearm unloaded, locked and stored in an outside compartment.

A Fixed RV

If your RV is fixed or attached so you canít just drive away, laws have stated that you can be called a residence or a home. This means you are in a campground hooked up to water, sewer, electric and any others. You are no longer mobile without a bit of time to unhook all the stuff we RVers hook up. At this point, you can sit at your dinette with a loaded gun if you want to do so.


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« Reply #16 on: December 22, 2010, 07:57:45 AM »
I guess we are just throwing the Constitution right out the window.  But I always take all my rifles with me just so if someone breaks in my house they will not steel them . I collect WW2 rifles and have a m16 and a AR15. I run a cable through them and lock it and have a outside compartment with a good uncuttable lock on it. I do keep my 45 in the motorhome. I keep a trigger lock for the places it has to be locked.
I have all the permits I need for all of them even a class 3 for the m16 but I did ask a GA State Patrol about the house or a vehicle thing, He told me from the back of the drivers seat forward was a vehicle and from the seat back was a home. If it is not broke up somehow you could have a open bottle of wine in the fridge and go to jail for a open container. Now if he would stand by that or not is another question. I guess I don't understand all the gun laws because they don't do any good to stop the people that are out here robbing other people, If someone is willing to shoot me to steal 20 bucks for some crack I don't think he's worried if he gets caught without a gun permit.
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« Reply #17 on: December 22, 2010, 08:40:49 AM »
I guess we are just throwing the Constitution right out the window.  But I always take all my rifles with me just so if someone breaks in my house they will not steel them . I collect WW2 rifles and have a m16 and a AR15. I run a cable through them and lock it and have a outside compartment with a good uncuttable lock on it. I do keep my 45 in the motorhome. I keep a trigger lock for the places it has to be locked.
I have all the permits I need for all of them even a class 3 for the m16 but I did ask a GA State Patrol about the house or a vehicle thing, He told me from the back of the drivers seat forward was a vehicle and from the seat back was a home. If it is not broke up somehow you could have a open bottle of wine in the fridge and go to jail for a open container. Now if he would stand by that or not is another question. I guess I don't understand all the gun laws because they don't do any good to stop the people that are out here robbing other people, If someone is willing to shoot me to steal 20 bucks for some crack I don't think he's worried if he gets caught without a gun permit.
Just my 2 cents worth

  I too try to abide by the law of the land and I appreciate everyone's rights to be free and safe.  I have numerous guns in my collection, some of which only close friends and family know about.  I have no intention of ever committing an illegal act with a firearm but if I ever had to use one to protect me or mine, and before I questioned my legal right in the act, I would remember that I would rather be judged by 12 than carried by 6.
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« Reply #18 on: December 22, 2010, 09:22:44 AM »
http://www.nraila.org/GunLaws/ is a link from the NRA's website and you can click on a state and it will tell you all the gun laws in laymans terms. From carrying to storing to transporting.
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« Reply #19 on: December 22, 2010, 09:27:37 AM »
Most states follow the GA approach with motorhomes - everything behind the driver seat is the house part and treated that way legally. But it is a state-level interpretation and may also vary with the circumstances.  I wouldn't want to test that by visibly waving a weapon around  in the rear area of a coach.
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« Reply #20 on: December 22, 2010, 09:36:19 AM »
See why we avoid Northeast?  MA is really bad for this, and having lived in RI, I remember the first case of a kid bringing his Christmas present to show his friend. 

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« Reply #21 on: December 22, 2010, 12:13:37 PM »
Don't bet your freedom on it.  See for example:

http://www.philly.com/philly/news/111025129.html

That's insane :o....OK stay out of NJ.......lol
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« Reply #22 on: December 22, 2010, 01:22:25 PM »
You should have gotten a list of compliant states that recognize the course that you took in NY.
If you didn't you should call your instructor and see what states abide by that course.
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« Reply #23 on: December 22, 2010, 02:55:46 PM »
Carry the weapons and make sure that they are loaded. The RV has a bed and is considered a residence.
Better to be safe than dead. I carry mine on my person no matter where I am. The areas that prohibit self defense is where the bad guys hit. Try to avoid these states and cities. Canada and Mexico are off limits as long as they search and confiscate weapons.
Just my opinion!.
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« Reply #24 on: December 22, 2010, 03:05:21 PM »
Carry the weapons and make sure that they are loaded. The RV has a bed and is considered a residence.
Better to be safe than dead. I carry mine on my person no matter where I am. The areas that prohibit self defense is where the bad guys hit. Try to avoid these states and cities. Canada and Mexico are off limits as long as they search and confiscate weapons.
Just my opinion!.
And here's mine...I'm 68 yrs old and have traveled the world, even worked in Taiwan and in Mexico and so far, the only handgun I have ever owned was a .22 cal CO2 pistol - Oh wait, that's not true.  I "carried" a .38 special while I was a small town marshal for about a year as part of the job.  Regardless, I have never found a need for deadly protection.  Too bad so many people feel otherwise.
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« Reply #25 on: December 22, 2010, 06:39:47 PM »
Canada and Mexico are off limits as long as they search and confiscate weapons.
Note though that you don't need a handgun for self defense in Canada.    Sure in the big cities in the bad areas there are problems.  Same if you're a drug dealer.   And there are randomish shootings occasionally by gangs firing at each other or associates and missing.   But those are pretty much an urban, city problem and not much of a problem in campgrounds or the wilderiness   

That said I'd be a bit wary of the Vancouver Down Town East Side during the day.  But otherwise I'd be quite comfortable walking just about anywhere in Canada's cities during the day.  At night I'd want to avoid the downtown back alleys of course.

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« Reply #26 on: December 22, 2010, 08:10:23 PM »
Tony,

The same is essentially true in the US as well.  I have traveled around the US especially since 1968 or so and only have had concerns in places where reasonable people shouldn't be.  This includes major cities like Boston, New York, Houston, etc.  Sure there are areas you shouldn't go but the people in the various tourist places will tell you about them so they are easily avoided. 

We made a mistake in NJ years ago and got off one off ramp too soon.  The police picked us up with in a block or 2 and escorted up out of that bad area.  I may have a gun with us when we travel as I like to shoot with my borther in CA or do a little hunting along the way, with proper license of course, but I normally do not carry for protection although the things I may have with me would do the job if needed.  Hey for a marksman, a .22 will do nicely!!
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« Reply #27 on: December 22, 2010, 10:07:06 PM »
A Mobile RV

If you can drive your RV right now, itís a vehicle. If you can start the engine and pull away itís a vehicle and the laws are the same as a car. Keep you firearm unloaded, locked and stored in an outside compartment.

Uh....For many reasons, I don't think I'll be storing any weapons in an outside compartment any time soon.

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« Reply #28 on: December 22, 2010, 10:35:12 PM »
Yeah, that was my thought too. 
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« Reply #29 on: December 22, 2010, 10:46:27 PM »
The same is essentially true in the US as well. 
Pretty much my thinking of the USA.  Now the northern parts of Mexico are a different matter.   I plan on filling up just before the border and driving until I have to stop for a washroom break.    :)

We made a mistake in NJ years ago and got off one off ramp too soon.  The police picked us up with in a block or 2 and escorted up out of that bad area. 
A friend was with the Salvation Army and was helping out in New Orleans shortly after Katrina.  He was driving a Salvation Army canteen truck with lots of signs and was in a rough area.  Now he'd heard from senior New Orleans cops which he had been working with that you gotta be careful with the cops there.    He got some blue and red lights behind him wanting him to pull over.   

He quickly phoned his friend a sargeant and asked what he should do.  The sargeant, who was on duty, told him "Don't pull over.  Just drive real slow and keep making right hand turns around the block.  I'll be there in five minutes" So that's what he did.  Sirens, plural, now wailing behind him.

Sargeant gets there and Nathan pulls over.  The on scene cops were mighty upset and, at the end of the discussion, stated  "we just wanted to make sure he wasn't lost."

 

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