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Firearms in your RV
« on: December 21, 2010, 05:22:19 PM »
If this has been discussed before I haven't seen it. My question is this: I live in NY and have a concealed carry permit, I have been told that I can take my guns with me (hand guns and long guns) when I travel as long as they remain in my RV as this is considered a dwelling. I know that laws differ from state to state and that some states will actually recognize my concealed carry permit from NY. I prefer to have a weapon on board when I travel and am curious if I can legally do it. Does anyone have knowledge of this or know where I can find it. Thank you
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« Reply #1 on: December 21, 2010, 06:03:43 PM »
Do a web search.  There are a couple of pretty good books that totally cover this subject.

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« Reply #2 on: December 21, 2010, 06:11:33 PM »
Note that crossing the border into Canada and Mexico are yet another set of rules.  I'm pretty sure Canada prohibits visitors from having hand guns but does permit long guns.   Mexico, I think, prohibits both.

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« Reply #3 on: December 21, 2010, 06:19:50 PM »
Use the Search button to find lots of prior discussions on firearms.
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« Reply #4 on: December 21, 2010, 06:28:55 PM »
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Do a web search.  There are a couple of pretty good books that totally cover this subject.

I agree with the web search. But books are usually out of date by the time they are printed. There are so many jurisdictions (constantly changing the rules) that it's impossible to keep a book up to date. Each state is different and then counties and towns within the state add their variations. I recently read that he two states that are toughest on permits for carrying guns are California and Illinois. I thought New York wouldn't even let you keep one in your house. Try http://www.handgunlaw.us/
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« Reply #5 on: December 21, 2010, 07:20:14 PM »
The January 2011 issue of Motorhome Magazine has an article about travelling with firearms in your RV.
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« Reply #6 on: December 21, 2010, 07:48:46 PM »
You can try  this site.   Be aware that in many states the law varies from one city/county to the next. It can vary, somewhatl within a single jurisdiction. And enforcement can vary from one cop to another, down the road.
 
I have found it helpful to call the main office of the state police agency for helpful information, prior to any trip. All but one have been courteous and forthcoming. Some will even warn about local jurisdictions, with varying laws/ordinances.
 
Plan ahead as you go. That is, examine the law/rules where you plan to be tomorrow and next week. You will need to avoid some states in order to keep your sanity, and perhaps your freedom.
 
New York, your state, is one of the examples of a difficult state to travel while following the rules. Massachusets is impossible. Idaho is simple. In Idaho, where I live, you may carry as many guns as you wish, any way you wish except:
 
If you are in an incorporated city, a mining or logging camp, you must have a concealed carry permit to carry concealed. The permit can be from anywhere. Your New York permit will work just fine. You may carry a pistol on your hip or a rifle, slung on your shoulder, almost anyplace you wish to go. (open carry.) You can't carry a firearm into any courthouse or Federal building. You can carry into a law enforcement office if you are so inclined.
 
You need to be fully legally informed, wherever you go. It'll take some extra time out of your day. Good luck and study hard.
 
 
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« Reply #7 on: December 21, 2010, 08:51:20 PM »
Get informed, way better facts out there than wading through opinions in year old threads.  We have the folks that will carry and those that oppose it to those that don't care, but to get up to date info, do a web search. 

New info, is that since just after beginning of the year, you can carry within national parks, however, not into federal buildings.  Little stuff like that yiou need to be aware of.

Just remember, it is tough to add to the arsenol on the road.
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« Reply #8 on: December 21, 2010, 09:07:47 PM »
In California you are allowed to have a handgun or rifle in your vehicle as long as the ammunition is stored and locked separately.
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« Reply #9 on: December 21, 2010, 09:24:01 PM »
There is a book updated and published each year titled Traveler's Guide to the Firearm Laws of the Fifty States.   It provides good information in addition to which states will recognize your permit.

Be aware that Washington D.C., IL, & WI are extremely sensitive

I live in NY and have a concealed carry permit, I have been told that I can take my guns with me (hand guns and long guns) when I travel as long as they remain in my RV as this is considered a dwelling.
   

The dwelling thing may apply once you are parked in a campground, however it is a vehicle when on the road. 
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« Reply #10 on: December 21, 2010, 09:41:40 PM »
CA, ammo locked and stored elsewhere.  hoping for a patient burgler!

Geo's book suggestion is a good one.  I have FL concealed carry, good for 39 states when I last checked. although CA not one.  While I am permitted to carry, I seldom do, and ecerything is stored, not so far that I couldn't get to it, but also keeping me OK most anyplace but CA.
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« Reply #11 on: December 21, 2010, 09:52:55 PM »
For what it's worth:  federal credit card changes that went into effect this year included changes that allow NTL Park carry regulations to mirror those of the state. 
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« Reply #12 on: December 22, 2010, 12:21:25 AM »
If this has been discussed before I haven't seen it. My question is this: I live in NY and have a concealed carry permit, I have been told that I can take my guns with me (hand guns and long guns) when I travel as long as they remain in my RV as this is considered a dwelling. I know that laws differ from state to state and that some states will actually recognize my concealed carry permit from NY. I prefer to have a weapon on board when I travel and am curious if I can legally do it. Does anyone have knowledge of this or know where I can find it. Thank you
I think your concealed permit means nothing and kinda led everyone to read into the question.  I am interpreting that you want to have your gun(s) in your RV...not necessarily loaded lying on your lap while driving. lol    If I am correct, as I see it you have no worries throughout the US.  Even if the gun was loaded back in the bedroom, honestly what would be the big deal? Who would know?  Even if it 'technically' was illegal the intent was obviously not hostile nor terrorist like, so who would question it.  A second assumption I made is your not carrying military like semi/fully automatic weapons, etc....In that case state laws vary on weather you are even allowed to have them.
As mentioned earlier, you get in to crossing country boarders, its an entirely different ball game....
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« Reply #13 on: December 22, 2010, 12:55:38 AM »
The best resource available on the web on this topic is:

http://www.usacarry.com/concealed_carry_permit_reciprocity_maps.html

In addition to the maps they have summaries of state firearms laws.

There are many pitfalls and people have ended up in protracted legal battles over specifics of state laws.

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« Reply #14 on: December 22, 2010, 12:59:16 AM »
I think your concealed permit means nothing and kinda led everyone to read into the question.  I am interpreting that you want to have your gun(s) in your RV...not necessarily loaded lying on your lap while driving. lol    If I am correct, as I see it you have no worries throughout the US.  Even if the gun was loaded back in the bedroom, honestly what would be the big deal? Who would know?  Even if it 'technically' was illegal the intent was obviously not hostile nor terrorist like, so who would question it.

Don't bet your freedom on it.  See for example:

http://www.philly.com/philly/news/111025129.html
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« Reply #15 on: December 22, 2010, 05:44:19 AM »
A Mobile RV

If you can drive your RV right now, itís a vehicle. If you can start the engine and pull away itís a vehicle and the laws are the same as a car. Keep you firearm unloaded, locked and stored in an outside compartment.

A Fixed RV

If your RV is fixed or attached so you canít just drive away, laws have stated that you can be called a residence or a home. This means you are in a campground hooked up to water, sewer, electric and any others. You are no longer mobile without a bit of time to unhook all the stuff we RVers hook up. At this point, you can sit at your dinette with a loaded gun if you want to do so.


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« Reply #16 on: December 22, 2010, 07:57:45 AM »
I guess we are just throwing the Constitution right out the window.  But I always take all my rifles with me just so if someone breaks in my house they will not steel them . I collect WW2 rifles and have a m16 and a AR15. I run a cable through them and lock it and have a outside compartment with a good uncuttable lock on it. I do keep my 45 in the motorhome. I keep a trigger lock for the places it has to be locked.
I have all the permits I need for all of them even a class 3 for the m16 but I did ask a GA State Patrol about the house or a vehicle thing, He told me from the back of the drivers seat forward was a vehicle and from the seat back was a home. If it is not broke up somehow you could have a open bottle of wine in the fridge and go to jail for a open container. Now if he would stand by that or not is another question. I guess I don't understand all the gun laws because they don't do any good to stop the people that are out here robbing other people, If someone is willing to shoot me to steal 20 bucks for some crack I don't think he's worried if he gets caught without a gun permit.
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« Reply #17 on: December 22, 2010, 08:40:49 AM »
I guess we are just throwing the Constitution right out the window.  But I always take all my rifles with me just so if someone breaks in my house they will not steel them . I collect WW2 rifles and have a m16 and a AR15. I run a cable through them and lock it and have a outside compartment with a good uncuttable lock on it. I do keep my 45 in the motorhome. I keep a trigger lock for the places it has to be locked.
I have all the permits I need for all of them even a class 3 for the m16 but I did ask a GA State Patrol about the house or a vehicle thing, He told me from the back of the drivers seat forward was a vehicle and from the seat back was a home. If it is not broke up somehow you could have a open bottle of wine in the fridge and go to jail for a open container. Now if he would stand by that or not is another question. I guess I don't understand all the gun laws because they don't do any good to stop the people that are out here robbing other people, If someone is willing to shoot me to steal 20 bucks for some crack I don't think he's worried if he gets caught without a gun permit.
Just my 2 cents worth

  I too try to abide by the law of the land and I appreciate everyone's rights to be free and safe.  I have numerous guns in my collection, some of which only close friends and family know about.  I have no intention of ever committing an illegal act with a firearm but if I ever had to use one to protect me or mine, and before I questioned my legal right in the act, I would remember that I would rather be judged by 12 than carried by 6.
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« Reply #18 on: December 22, 2010, 09:22:44 AM »
http://www.nraila.org/GunLaws/ is a link from the NRA's website and you can click on a state and it will tell you all the gun laws in laymans terms. From carrying to storing to transporting.
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« Reply #19 on: December 22, 2010, 09:27:37 AM »
Most states follow the GA approach with motorhomes - everything behind the driver seat is the house part and treated that way legally. But it is a state-level interpretation and may also vary with the circumstances.  I wouldn't want to test that by visibly waving a weapon around  in the rear area of a coach.
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« Reply #20 on: December 22, 2010, 09:36:19 AM »
See why we avoid Northeast?  MA is really bad for this, and having lived in RI, I remember the first case of a kid bringing his Christmas present to show his friend. 

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« Reply #21 on: December 22, 2010, 12:13:37 PM »
Don't bet your freedom on it.  See for example:

http://www.philly.com/philly/news/111025129.html

That's insane :o....OK stay out of NJ.......lol
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« Reply #22 on: December 22, 2010, 01:22:25 PM »
You should have gotten a list of compliant states that recognize the course that you took in NY.
If you didn't you should call your instructor and see what states abide by that course.
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« Reply #23 on: December 22, 2010, 02:55:46 PM »
Carry the weapons and make sure that they are loaded. The RV has a bed and is considered a residence.
Better to be safe than dead. I carry mine on my person no matter where I am. The areas that prohibit self defense is where the bad guys hit. Try to avoid these states and cities. Canada and Mexico are off limits as long as they search and confiscate weapons.
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« Reply #24 on: December 22, 2010, 03:05:21 PM »
Carry the weapons and make sure that they are loaded. The RV has a bed and is considered a residence.
Better to be safe than dead. I carry mine on my person no matter where I am. The areas that prohibit self defense is where the bad guys hit. Try to avoid these states and cities. Canada and Mexico are off limits as long as they search and confiscate weapons.
Just my opinion!.
And here's mine...I'm 68 yrs old and have traveled the world, even worked in Taiwan and in Mexico and so far, the only handgun I have ever owned was a .22 cal CO2 pistol - Oh wait, that's not true.  I "carried" a .38 special while I was a small town marshal for about a year as part of the job.  Regardless, I have never found a need for deadly protection.  Too bad so many people feel otherwise.
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« Reply #25 on: December 22, 2010, 06:39:47 PM »
Canada and Mexico are off limits as long as they search and confiscate weapons.
Note though that you don't need a handgun for self defense in Canada.    Sure in the big cities in the bad areas there are problems.  Same if you're a drug dealer.   And there are randomish shootings occasionally by gangs firing at each other or associates and missing.   But those are pretty much an urban, city problem and not much of a problem in campgrounds or the wilderiness   

That said I'd be a bit wary of the Vancouver Down Town East Side during the day.  But otherwise I'd be quite comfortable walking just about anywhere in Canada's cities during the day.  At night I'd want to avoid the downtown back alleys of course.

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« Reply #26 on: December 22, 2010, 08:10:23 PM »
Tony,

The same is essentially true in the US as well.  I have traveled around the US especially since 1968 or so and only have had concerns in places where reasonable people shouldn't be.  This includes major cities like Boston, New York, Houston, etc.  Sure there are areas you shouldn't go but the people in the various tourist places will tell you about them so they are easily avoided. 

We made a mistake in NJ years ago and got off one off ramp too soon.  The police picked us up with in a block or 2 and escorted up out of that bad area.  I may have a gun with us when we travel as I like to shoot with my borther in CA or do a little hunting along the way, with proper license of course, but I normally do not carry for protection although the things I may have with me would do the job if needed.  Hey for a marksman, a .22 will do nicely!!
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« Reply #27 on: December 22, 2010, 10:07:06 PM »
A Mobile RV

If you can drive your RV right now, itís a vehicle. If you can start the engine and pull away itís a vehicle and the laws are the same as a car. Keep you firearm unloaded, locked and stored in an outside compartment.

Uh....For many reasons, I don't think I'll be storing any weapons in an outside compartment any time soon.

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« Reply #28 on: December 22, 2010, 10:35:12 PM »
Yeah, that was my thought too. 
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« Reply #29 on: December 22, 2010, 10:46:27 PM »
The same is essentially true in the US as well. 
Pretty much my thinking of the USA.  Now the northern parts of Mexico are a different matter.   I plan on filling up just before the border and driving until I have to stop for a washroom break.    :)

We made a mistake in NJ years ago and got off one off ramp too soon.  The police picked us up with in a block or 2 and escorted up out of that bad area. 
A friend was with the Salvation Army and was helping out in New Orleans shortly after Katrina.  He was driving a Salvation Army canteen truck with lots of signs and was in a rough area.  Now he'd heard from senior New Orleans cops which he had been working with that you gotta be careful with the cops there.    He got some blue and red lights behind him wanting him to pull over.   

He quickly phoned his friend a sargeant and asked what he should do.  The sargeant, who was on duty, told him "Don't pull over.  Just drive real slow and keep making right hand turns around the block.  I'll be there in five minutes" So that's what he did.  Sirens, plural, now wailing behind him.

Sargeant gets there and Nathan pulls over.  The on scene cops were mighty upset and, at the end of the discussion, stated  "we just wanted to make sure he wasn't lost."

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« Reply #30 on: December 24, 2010, 10:52:44 AM »
There are several sights that would be good to peruse. http://www.gunfacts.info delves into all the garbage that has been fed the public over the years by the media. The others have been mentioned here by others. Let me comment on a couple things if I may. The philly story: He was arrested because he made a statement to his mother that could have been construed as a suicidal statement. She called the police and told them what he said and that he had guns in his car. Viola. I work psych and can tell you that is all it takes to have your rights taken from you. Next. Canada and Mexico: they will not only take your guns but you will find yourself sitting in a jail cell.  Last thing. Know your rights and use them. The police can not search your vehicle without cause. If there is nothing in sight that is illegal to have in your possession they must ask to search your vehicle. The answer should always be NO. Polite, but a firm "Officer I do not give permission for a search of my vehicle". There is a great site to view concerning your rights. http://www.flexyourrights.org . Your rights, Use them or lose them. As far as carrying in your vehicle there is a federal law that if you are traveling through a state it is legal to have a weapon in your vehicle. Also see which states New York has reciprocity with. In these you only have to worry about those police who don't know the law or don't care. If you are arrested in these states a good lawyer is going to get you awarded about 50,000 dollars and their fees.

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« Reply #31 on: December 24, 2010, 11:34:54 AM »
George and Ruth stated: "changes that went into effect this year included changes that allow NTL Park carry regulations to mirror those of the state. "

This also applies to Forest Service campgrounds.  For example handguns and other firearms are allowed in U. S. Forest Service campgrounds in Colorado now.  However the rules remains that no propellant of any kind may be fired within 400 yards of a Forest Service campground anywhere.

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« Reply #32 on: December 25, 2010, 08:04:40 PM »
I've had a concealed carry license for many years.  When taveling out my home state I will got to the official state websites for the states I'm traveling in and print a copy of their reciprocity list and toss it in my glove compartment.  While I've never needed to show a cop the list I've always thought it unreasonable to expect the officer to have which state's ccw's their state honors memorized.

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« Reply #33 on: December 31, 2010, 11:25:10 AM »
Canada takes a very dim view to bringing in firearms,with that being said i have a question,,considering that one stays where a person with a $100.000 + rv should is it really neccassary to be packin'? i've seen a few of these topics and never really asked this. i understand the American institution and tradition that is the right to bear arms but is it really needed in this lifestyle? As a Canadian i've never in my life felt threatened enough that i needed a gun to protect myself and frankly the thought of a someone next to me shooting a gun with me and mine behind 2" of fiberglass,foam and plywood is very un-nerving to say the least.

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« Reply #34 on: December 31, 2010, 12:58:04 PM »
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No. It is rarely necessary to be packin', for anybody. At one time, years ago, even cops didn't really need a gun. Many have gone through a carreer without ever drawing a gun for a gun-battle. Don't know the current stats. They are wisely trained to get their hands on a gun, sooner, these days.
 
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Has little or nothing to do with the issue. The value of the vehicle is not an issue. Where you are and what is going on, there and what you are doing - can be an issue. Common sense will do for the bulk of threats. In my case, the drug war came to my neighborhood and my home. I had little choice. Couldn't move for reasons too complex for this post. Had to fight or die.
 
Stay out of the "darker' streets and alleys and you solve most of your probems. (Darker streets and alleys came to me.)
 
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« Reply #35 on: December 31, 2010, 01:19:02 PM »
(considering that one stays where a person with a $100.000 + rv)

Who is most likely to be robbed? A $100,000 rv or a tent trailer?

The perception should be that every RV is a home and is packing. Go rob and kill someone else!!
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Re: Firearms in your RV
« Reply #36 on: December 31, 2010, 01:44:18 PM »
Canada takes a very dim view to bringing in firearms,with that being said i have a question,,considering that one stays where a person with a $100.000 + rv should is it really neccassary to be packin'? i've seen a few of these topics and never really asked this. i understand the American institution and tradition that is the right to bear arms but is it really needed in this lifestyle? As a Canadian i've never in my life felt threatened enough that i needed a gun to protect myself and frankly the thought of a someone next to me shooting a gun with me and mine behind 2" of fiberglass,foam and plywood is very un-nerving to say the least.

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I go back to my original comment. Concealed Permit or simply in your RV???
Concealed I agree with you.
As already said

Who is most likely to be robbed? A $100,000 rv or a tent trailer?
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« Reply #37 on: December 31, 2010, 01:51:45 PM »
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« Reply #38 on: January 02, 2011, 01:59:22 AM »
For those of us who do carry concealed and keep a gun in our RV/Vehicle when traveling it is the same thing as having a fire extinguisher or Seat belt. They are tools. You don't have them because you are expecting to use them. In truth you hope you never do but if the time should come they are needed you have them at hand. Nobody expects to find themselves in a situation where they must defend themselves with lethal force. Most never will, Thank God. But more and more, violence is cropping up in places it has never happened before.  With the training that I and others have received it is drummed into our heads that you always know what is behind your target so as not to endanger others. We practice regularly so as to be able to place our shots where they are intended to go. Our defensive ammo is designed to stay in the target not go through and endanger anyone or thing that might be behind the target. We do not take the responsibility lightly. No one will ever know that I have a gun with or on me. Those of us who take this seriously, do not brag, swagger, or try to intimidate others. We quietly go about our day just like everyone else. If push comes to shove, we will take the push and the shove. Indeed even being knocked down and spit on and get up and walk away if possible. Because we realize that to reach for that weapon for anything other then defense of our lives, or the lives of others is unacceptable. We hold ourselves to a higher degree of responsibility. No offense, but that $100,000+ RV could one day be a neon sign beckoning that criminal who wants what you have and isn't concerned about your safety.

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Re: Firearms in your RV
« Reply #39 on: January 02, 2011, 10:22:14 AM »
I don't doubt that you would be dilligent in using your handgun however living across the river from De-troit we Canadians have seen the direct opposite on far too many occasions. i can't see a problem occurring in any RV campground that would require being armed but thats only my opinion and as far as wildlife is concerned i chased off a bear in Temagami Ontario using only bad language,i felt bad that i had to call his mom a $$$$$$$ $$$$$ but i had to do what i had to do!!!


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Re: Firearms in your RV
« Reply #40 on: January 02, 2011, 11:12:34 AM »
No one will ever know that I have a gun with or on me. Those of us who take this seriously, do not brag, swagger, or try to intimidate others. We quietly go about our day just like everyone else. If push comes to shove, we will take the push and the shove. Indeed even being knocked down and spit on and get up and walk away if possible. Because we realize that to reach for that weapon for anything other then defense of our lives, or the lives of others is unacceptable. We hold ourselves to a higher degree of responsibility. No offense, but that $100,000+ RV could one day be a neon sign beckoning that criminal who wants what you have and isn't concerned about your safety.

I respect and applaud your perspective on this.  I for one would feel safer rather than threatened if you were camping next to me.  Such is not the case with many who carry weapons.  I get really concerned with statements frequently made in threads such as this which echo themes such as:

* I won't take no cr*p from anyone....
* My gun goes where I go (including the driver's seat where stories are told of pointing it at rowdy guys perceived to be harrassing them)...
* I've had to pull my gun many times to keep tense situations from escalating...
* If your gun is locked and unloaded... you are not prepared...

These are just a sample of real paraphrased statements made on this and other forums regarding this topic.  I'm with Mallard in that I have never in my life been in a situation which would cause me to even think about pulling a gun so to some extent I'm sure one's life experiences shape their views on this but....

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« Reply #41 on: January 02, 2011, 01:08:05 PM »
JohnnyBGoods post is very similar to my way of thinking. Weapons are a tool to be used in the right place at the right time.

I've been to many fires in my 31 year career that people were not comfortable using a fire extinguisher on. They simply abandoned the area, and while there is nothing wrong with that approach, sometimes there was a large price to pay for leaving, because they left loved ones inside. Some people had to abandoned loved ones inside because fire extinguishers, hoses, etc. weren't available. Even though at the time they were willing to make an attempt at putting out the fire, they didn't have the resources. And some made a poor decision to use extinquishers at situations where they could not make a difference at and lost their lives because of it. And lastly, some people never even realize the danger they are in. How many people refuse to evacuate when ordered to at large events?

Most people will never see a situation where a weapon in needed. Most people will never see a situation where a fire extinquisher is needed. If you are comfortable that dialling 911 for emergencies is adequate, then you need neither weapons or fire extinquishers.

Some see situations where weapons or fire extinguishers are needed and are capable of making good decisions regarding their use. The key for me is knowing where I feel comfortable. Do I know how to use the tool properly, have control of myself, and am I able to read the situation properly. Because you aren't comfortable taking the hose and crawling into the burning building doesn't mean that others shouldn't.


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« Reply #42 on: January 02, 2011, 02:08:46 PM »
For the most part, I agree with bucks2 except...it is not too likely that a fire extinguisher is going to cause a fire accidentally, even in the hands of the untrained.
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« Reply #43 on: January 02, 2011, 04:54:05 PM »
And here's mine...I'm 68 yrs old and have traveled the world, even worked in Taiwan and in Mexico and so far, the only handgun I have ever owned was a .22 cal CO2 pistol - Oh wait, that's not true.  I "carried" a .38 special while I was a small town marshal for about a year as part of the job.  Regardless, I have never found a need for deadly protection.  Too bad so many people feel otherwise.

Amen!  I'm glad I'm not the only one with this conviction. I've never owned a gun and likely never will.
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Re: Firearms in your RV
« Reply #44 on: January 02, 2011, 07:12:12 PM »
Fire extinguisher won't start a fire on purpose.  Analogy doesn't work.  I know what you are saying though, and like anything, from a gun to a power saw to the ginsu knives in the drawer.  need to be stored properly, treated with respect.  Fire extinguishers if handled improperly can hurt, how about a child pulling the trigger on a CO2?  Or even the dry, if aimed at their face, I don't know what could happen. 

I had never felt the need for a firearm until a couple years ago, getting ready to get on the road and not knowing where we may end up.  Rather have one and never need it than not have one and need it. 
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Re: Firearms in your RV
« Reply #45 on: January 03, 2011, 01:09:46 AM »
Orick, Unfortunately there are those who think that having a gun gives them the ability to not take C***p from anybody and other situations like that. IF someone is using a gun to bolster their manhood they need to rethink why they have one. As far as pulling a gun to keep a tense situation from getting worse it would depend on the situation. If I am faced with 4 or more individuals who are threatening harm to my wife and myself I will not let them get close enough to follow through. In these situations just pulling your weapon is enough to get most criminal types to decide the grass is greener elsewhere. If I am just getting a verbal dressing down by someone who thinks they have been slighted, then no that is not a situation for pulling a weapon. Those who do are opening themselves up for some serious consequences. I understand many do not feel comfortable with firearms. That is the great thing about America. If you don't want one don't get one.

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« Reply #46 on: January 03, 2011, 10:03:29 AM »
I understand many do not feel comfortable with firearms. That is the great thing about America. If you don't want one don't get one.

And let's keep it this way.  Not if you don't want one, nobody gets one. 
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« Reply #47 on: January 03, 2011, 10:53:39 AM »
And let's keep it this way.  Not if you don't want one, nobody gets one.

I agree and I don't think I've seen anyone suggest otherwise in this thread.

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« Reply #48 on: January 03, 2011, 11:58:11 AM »
Actually, I have been impressed. This is one subject that can bring out the worst in some people, but the conversation here as been nothing but civil. 

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« Reply #49 on: January 03, 2011, 12:30:16 PM »
Actually, I have been impressed. This is one subject that can bring out the worst in some people, but the conversation here as been nothing but civil.

Very true.  It's a good discussion with a lot of good information.

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Re: Firearms in your RV
« Reply #50 on: January 03, 2011, 02:13:06 PM »
There is one issue that I haven't seen on this forum. In some states, ammo is an issue, particularly in the north eastern states. Hollow point ammo may be restricted. In some states/cities/countys mere possession is a crime. When you check the firearms laws, check the ammo laws as well. I use Federal, Hydroshock, Personal Defense Ammo. That's a brand name for their hollow points.
 
I also use Glasser Safety Ammo. More effective and more expensive than hollow points. It's a fragmenting ammo, that stops quickly in the target or breaks up upon hitting hard surfaces like the wall or a window of an RV. Less likely to penetrate and endanger innocent people. I don't know that it is legal, everywhere. Fragmenting ammo is something I would think the "banners" would want to ban. Don't know. Calling it "Safety Ammo" sounds good, so maybe it is less of a problem or maybe none at all.
 
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« Reply #51 on: January 03, 2011, 02:50:35 PM »
Ammo is getting a little scarce too.  Try to buy 38 special.  Must be the most popular out there.  I have been to Cabellas and found empty shelves.  Lots of new regulations and ideas on it. 
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« Reply #52 on: January 03, 2011, 02:53:41 PM »
Pancake Bill: try small independent gun stores. I've had better luck there, myself. .38 special has been problematic for more than two years. "Hoarding," in fear of the Federal Government, is a big part of the problem and .38 is very popular.
 
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« Reply #53 on: January 03, 2011, 02:58:45 PM »
I have, and bought some there.  Since I am away from home state I can't buy a handgun without all sorts of hoopla.  Unreal the laws regarding, you would think the 3-day plus a CC permit would be enough.  I can buy here, then they have to ship to my shop in FL who can then send back to me.  Craziness. 
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« Reply #54 on: January 03, 2011, 04:18:41 PM »
Many people avoid all the crap by NOT buying new or from a dealer.>>>Dan
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« Reply #55 on: January 03, 2011, 04:21:01 PM »
That is a question I have about gun shows.  Can one just buy there?

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« Reply #56 on: January 03, 2011, 05:17:38 PM »
You can buy firearms at gun shows, but the same laws apply as when purchased from any gun dealer.
In your home state, the seller must first get a legal background check before sellling the firearm to you.
You cannot buy any firearm at a gun show (or dealer) for any other person (illegal "Straw Purchase").
If you buy away from your home state, the same background check is required but the firearm must be shipped to a licences dealer in your home state for delivery.
In other words, there is no Gun Show loophole.

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« Reply #57 on: January 03, 2011, 06:28:15 PM »
A trucker that was "packin" saved my life one night while going to work. Four "gentlemen" got out of their car in front of me and were threatening to have a little fun, trucker convinced them otherwise. Short story I'm packing now. Just because Disney is in the backyard doesn't mean everyone is like mickey mouse.
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« Reply #58 on: January 03, 2011, 07:30:51 PM »
Rancher, I figured as much, but I hear offhanded comments about the gun shows.  I suppose it is not that big a deal.  Never been to a show, is there any advantage?  Better pricing?  Free red tape?  (shipping out and back)
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« Reply #59 on: January 03, 2011, 07:55:42 PM »
Come out to the wild west - Arizona - no permit, no training - heck if its made in Arizona, no background check. Oh you have to be a citizen and not a convicted felon, but then nobody is checking.

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« Reply #60 on: January 03, 2011, 08:34:54 PM »
I think Wyomig and or Montana have the if made in rule too.  AZ has an open carry law. 
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« Reply #61 on: January 03, 2011, 08:37:57 PM »
There is no prohibition on private party transactions.>>>Dan ( I have purchased many from cop friends.
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« Reply #62 on: January 03, 2011, 08:39:12 PM »
Bill,

Not sure about WY but if it is made in MT, no check.  We still have the open carry law but no one really does it anymore, at least around the liberal bastion of Bozeman.  But then we just got rid of the open bottle law last year.
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« Reply #63 on: January 03, 2011, 10:37:45 PM »
Some guys sell used weapons at gun shows as "private sale" rather than dealers, so they skirt some of the regulations. In most states, I can sell you my personal gun without rigamorole and the feds allow up to 10 sales/year before they classify you as a dealer. I'm sure some gun show "private sellers" buy and sell more than that, but they don't get caught unless somebody starts checking up.
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« Reply #64 on: January 05, 2011, 12:05:41 PM »
Come out to the wild west - Arizona - no permit, no training - heck if its made in Arizona, no background check. Oh you have to be a citizen and not a convicted felon, but then nobody is checking.

Arizona has an open carry law but, you can't purchase a gun here unless you are resident of Arizona.

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« Reply #65 on: January 05, 2011, 01:13:48 PM »
There are hundreds of "gun laws" in the 50 states. To find the requirement in any state, then check that state.

There is also a Federal "Gun Law" that applies in every state. In my previous post, I referred to the Federal Law. It is true that under a specific condition, under Federal Law, a sale/purchase of a firearm between two persons is permitted, provided the sale is to a person lawfully permitted to own a firearm. There are restrictions such as under age, felons, mental conditions, etc.

Also, as I mentioned above, any commercial sale/purchase must abide by Federal law that requires a background check and if the sale is made out of the home state of the buyer, the firearm, after approval from the background check, must be shipped to a BATF Licensed dealer in the home state. This law applies to any commercial sale, Gun store, Gun show, Gun Smith, any commercial deal. A sale between a buyer and any seller at a Gun Show where the seller has a booth or commercial table is a commercial sale. An isolated person who just contacts another isolated person, neither one in the business of buying or selling, has been determined by case law to be between private individuals. BATF regulations are strict on this.

There are some states, and local areas, that have more strict requirments than just the Federal Law. Illinois and California are just two state examples. There are also City Laws that are more strict than Federal Law also.

Although I am now retired, I have had numerous experiences for numerous people on this subject while I was in Police Work over 41 years, while dealing with BATF agents, dealers, and gun buyers and sellers.

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« Reply #66 on: January 05, 2011, 04:05:27 PM »
There are restrictions such as under age, felons, mental conditions, etc.
That leaves a lot of people out.
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« Reply #67 on: January 06, 2011, 08:08:12 AM »
Just retired from large metro PD in CA after 30 years as a cop.  Some of the above info is good, some bad.  Gun laws vary from state to state, with NY, NJ, and several other anti-gun N/E states being very restrictive.  ConcealedCarry.org, and several other CCW web sites have state by state laws.  Some states allow "open carry", meaning loaded on the dash is ok, some even under the seat is ok, but not on your person.  It is fairly easy to obtain either a Utah or Florida CCW, which allows loaded CC on your person/veh in about 30 states that have reciprocity, CA of course doesn't recognize any one else's CCW.   Most states (key word "most") have no law restricting a loaded weapon (rifle/shotgun/handgun)  in the living area of your RV....however, there are many restrictions on the area that is immediately under the driver's, and/or passenger's control, i.e. the cab.  National and State parks are the exception.  In California, if you don't possess a valid CA CCW (state permit but issued by the counry Sheriff or City Chief of Police), any concealable firearm (handgun) must be kept in a LOCKABLE container OTHER than the glovebox, with the ammo separately.  A loaded magazine, if it's with the weapon in the same box, can be considered as the weapon being loaded if the officer wants to push the issue....again this DOES NOT apply to the living area of your RV, or temporary camp site, both of which are considered your residence at that time.     Most officers in most states, are not going to hassle mom & pop RV'ers no matter where the weapon is in the vehicle, as long as you're not doing something stupid like brandishing it to scare the guy in the next lane who just cut you off.  Remember I said "MOST".    No one should ever even know you have it, unless you need it.....and if you end up needing it....a misdemenor charge of carrying it will be the LEAST of your problems. I'm a very pro-gun guy, but I''ll offer one last piece of advice.....don't carry a gun, unless.........
 #1: You spend the time to become proficient with it. It's a perishable skill, so practice, practice, practice shooting and reloading.   
#2:  You''ve already made the decision that you WILL use it if necessary.  Many people are able.....but most are not willing.    Moral, legal, and liability issues should all be a part of your decision making proccess to carry a gun, so that if, God forbid, that time ever comes, you won't hesitate for those few second which can cost you or your spouse your life.
#3:  Once that hammer drops, there's no calling the bullet back....no "time out"  Be sure of your target and the background.  Hope this helps and happy RVing.
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« Reply #68 on: January 06, 2011, 07:38:23 PM »

#3:  Once that hammer drops, there's no calling the bullet back....no "time out"  Be sure of your target and the background.  Hope this helps and happy RVing.

That reminds me of one of my favorite movie lines from " unforgiven"

The Schofield Kid: [after killing a man for the first time] It don't seem real... how he ain't gonna never breathe again, ever... how he's dead. And the other one too. All on account of pulling a trigger.
Will Munny: It's a hell of a thing, killing a man. Take away all he's got and all he's ever gonna have.
The Schofield Kid: Yeah, well, I guess they had it coming.
Will Munny: We all got it coming, kid.
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