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Alternate venue to QZ anyone?
« on: February 01, 2006, 06:40:07 PM »
The following was split off from the original QZ 2006 rally discussion to float an idea.

(LOL Wendy. We miss the people too, but not the QZ dust. I haven't got rid of all last year's dust yet)

Would there be any interest in a different (less dusty) venue next year  ???
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Re: QZ 2006 rally pics
« Reply #1 on: February 01, 2006, 06:56:21 PM »
Isn't the dust part of the 'ambience' of Quartzsite?  :D

I really didn't notice it so much while I was there as I did after we left...in the carpets, on the coach, on the dog, in the clothes, up my nose......

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« Reply #2 on: February 01, 2006, 07:16:23 PM »

Maybe there would be interest in a different venue next year  ???

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« Reply #3 on: February 01, 2006, 07:23:03 PM »
LOL Bernie. Maybe we could rent one of those water trucks that spray water to keep the dust down in construction areas.
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« Reply #4 on: February 01, 2006, 07:27:54 PM »
The Quartzsite Rally has become a RV Forum tradition.  Wouldn't be the same anywhere else.
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« Reply #5 on: February 01, 2006, 07:52:10 PM »
The Quartzsite Rally has become a RV Forum tradition.  Wouldn't be the same anywhere else.

Surely you'd agree it's the people who make the rally, not the location. Other "Traditional" forum rallies (e.g. Centermost/Moab) have changed locations. But, as always, it will be the wishes of all participants that will decide the location. Just thought I'd float the idea to see if there's any interest in an alternate venue.

I've split this off into its own topic so as not to muddy the QZ 2006 discussion.
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« Reply #6 on: February 01, 2006, 08:39:18 PM »
During those winters where there is rain in southern AZ, QZ is not as dusty as this year.  This has been one of the driest years on record for the SW.  Last year was one of the wettest and we had water in the washes and some mud, but no dust.

Any venue in the desert will have the same conditions but none will have the ambience that is Quartzsite.  I thought this was one of the best years we've seen in the past 10 as the temperatures were very mild.  We've had some cold years and I'll take warm and dust any time :)
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« Reply #7 on: February 01, 2006, 08:48:20 PM »
For sure there was less dust last year, thanks to some rainy days/nights, although it wasn't dust-free.
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« Reply #8 on: February 01, 2006, 09:29:07 PM »
We could have the rally along the Gulf Coast of Texas from Rockport to places south.  Others could make the long trek then.

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« Reply #9 on: February 01, 2006, 09:33:20 PM »
I doubt that I can get Tarry to return to Quartzsite.  Her allergy's bothered her so much, always but this year especially, that I told her I would not ask her to return.  True, Quartzsite has become a tradition, but I agree with Tom;  take the same people and put them someplace else and who would know the difference. 
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« Reply #10 on: February 01, 2006, 09:57:29 PM »
I'm not an oldtimer at the rally's, however I know my lovely wife would definitely be inclined to attend at a different venue.  Not sure I can get her back to the Q due to the dust and wind. She's apt to use a pool Q on my noggin should I suggest it.  All I know is I had a blast meeting everyone.


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« Reply #11 on: February 01, 2006, 09:57:51 PM »
We'd gladly make the trek to TX (or elsewhere) Ron.

I'm in a similar position to Jim; Chris just loves the people but, after our first QZ visit last year, she said she wasn't coming back. I had to use some psychology to get her to come this year.

Our friends came for the first time this year, after a lot of coaxing, but won't come back. I'm sure they'll also disuade other friends I've been working on.
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« Reply #12 on: February 01, 2006, 10:15:11 PM »
Why not Quartzsite in January, Moab in May and somewhere else in between the two or in the fall?

Personally, we're a little strange....we liked Quartzsite, dust and all. But then, we lived in Death Valley for four years.

Speaking of Death Valley, that's where we'll be this Christmas. Also in Pahrump for Pah-rump-pah-pum-pum Days. Hey, how about Pahrump for a rally?

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« Reply #13 on: February 01, 2006, 10:16:47 PM »
I heard/read that Pahrump is a neat place. Is it dusty/dirty there?  ;D
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« Reply #14 on: February 01, 2006, 10:23:10 PM »
Well, Pahrump is in the desert sooooooooo...........

However, I can't remember ever being bothered by the dust there. Now, the smoke in the casinos is another whole story....
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« Reply #15 on: February 01, 2006, 10:32:21 PM »
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the smoke in the casinos is another whole story

Smoke would definitely be an issue for me, but we don't gamble anyway. What else is in Pahrump?
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« Reply #16 on: February 01, 2006, 10:53:47 PM »
Quartzsite is not for everyone. I have found that there is ususally not much middle ground. It is either loved or hated. For those that do not like the dust and wind aspect, then another venue would be fine -- but would suggest picking some other time of the year (or winter) to hold it. For example, I will probably go from here (QZ) to Texas in a few weeks and would love to do the Gulf Coast for a Rally.

However, come early to mid January, 2007, I will join a million plus others (many like myself that love the desert) and return to Quartzsite. If my fire ring is not there, I will take morning walks again gathering rocks to build another one. I will get up early when I can and watch those incredible sunrises, and if I see a few clouds gathering as they did a few nights ago -- I will be ready with tripod and camera to capture another of those incredible AZ sunsets. I will dirve and or hike to the hillsides and enjoy the multitude of flowers that cover the ground -- especially in wetter years, I will four wheel the challange of finding my way downtown to see the many shows and people from all over the world. And by arriving early when I can, and staying on when I can, I will continue to get to know some of the local folk -- plus get to enjoy some of the beautiful solitude of the desert.

To me, there is little to compare to building a fire in the desert and inviting your friends to join you to just -- share. I want that to be part of my full time RVing experience always. Various amounts of dust and a bit of wind will never out weigh the good news about a few weeks in the desert each year. The fact that 50,000 plus other RV's are here during the two weeks of the show plus over 1,000,000 RVers just makes it that much more exciting to me.
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« Reply #17 on: February 01, 2006, 11:01:04 PM »
Whatever you do, don't tell BOB BUCHANAN this, but we burned the last of the pallets this evening in (on) his fire ring.

Being a relative newcomer to the Framily and a long term temporary resident of QZ, I have mixed emotions. It's great to have a huge area to congregate with all the people and with few restrictions, but can understand the problems some people have with the dust and wind, and  lack of facilities and decent grocery stores, etc. We have, however, had the same problems with Alamo Lake; maybe not the dust, but cold temp's, high winds, and other various and sundry concerns. Would I come back? Of course, but as Tom said, it's not the location that matters; it's the people. Logistically, some place other than the far Southwest would be better for many people, but the things that make the Quartzsite rally what it is (both good and bad) could not be duplictaed elsewhere. Maybe it could be BETTER somewhere else, but I'm not well enough travelled to make a suggestion as to where that may be.     
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« Reply #18 on: February 01, 2006, 11:16:02 PM »
IMHO Quartzsite is a one of a kind place and I would not want to see the Quartzsite rally moved or discontinued.  I am highly disappointed the subject of a change in venue has even come up.  This year we had the largest turnout ever at the QZ rally.  Why oh Why would we want to even consider tampering with success and tradition??



Now would we make any effort to attend a rally in TX or Ca or any other location during the RV show week at QZ??? NO.  I for one think the QZ rally should be continued. 
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« Reply #19 on: February 01, 2006, 11:45:31 PM »

Whatever you do, don't tell BOB BUCHANAN this, but we burned the last of the pallets this evening in (on) his fire ring.


Hmmmmm. I can recall mentioning to you last year on one of our jaunts to a rock and mineral show how impressed I was at the wealth of knowledges you possessed about such a wide variety of subjects. So when you attempted to burn a 4 ft. square pallet in a 3 ft. round fire ring, I got confused.  ??? ;D

The important thing is that it sounds like you had fun trying to fit the other 4 or 5 pallets into such a small circle. Let's see, how was it you explained the theory -- something about they would burn in the center and then you would push the sides in a little at a time?  ;)


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« Reply #20 on: February 02, 2006, 12:05:49 AM »
I love QZ & will always return...even though I might be the only one of the Framily there.<G>

However I would like to go to the Texas Gulf Coast & propose we move the Moab Rally to this location....Let the fur fly.<BG

 

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« Reply #21 on: February 02, 2006, 12:12:14 AM »
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I am highly disappointed the subject of a change in venue has even come up.

Didn't mean to highly disappoint anyone Ron. But, with several folks complaining about the conditions, it was appropriate to raise the subject. Heck, we might even get higher attendance at a different location. I have friends who have never camped at QZ but have driven through the area and have told me emphatically they wouldn't stay there if I paid them.

I doubt we'll ever get all that dirt out of our coach or the Burb, and this year's leftover just adds to last year's. Doesn't do much for my health or the condition or value of our coach.

I have no issue with the fact that some folks like the desert, and similarly folks shouldn't have an issue with those who don't. Just different strokes for different folks. As I said earlier, the decision will be made by the attendees.
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« Reply #22 on: February 02, 2006, 12:34:26 AM »
The Quartzsite Rally has become a RV Forum tradition.  Wouldn't be the same anywhere else.

 IMHO Traditions are formed by doing things over and over.  I see no reason not to create some new traditions.  When we fail to change we fail to live fully ,  as life is  a series of changes.  I love the desert but not the dirt, wind and cold.
 There are  many wonderful places on the planet, I think we deny ourselves when we fail to branch out to do  new things.  We selected the RV lifestyle to travel.  If we only do the same things over and over we might just as well "stay home."   I  want to experience new places  but  I want to do this with the same "old" people.  Truth is I don't care where we go, as long as  the forum Framily of friends  will go there too.
Tell me more about the Gulf coast. 
Hey why not a new  place in Utah instead of Moab?  We've been on the trails many times. Would Guf Coast work in that time frame?

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« Reply #23 on: February 02, 2006, 01:12:32 AM »

But, with several folks complaining about the conditions, it was appropriate to raise the subject. Heck, we might even get higher attendance at a different location. I have friends who have never camped at QZ but have driven through the area and have told me emphatically they wouldn't stay there if I paid them.


Well, I disagree, Tom -- and in a constructive way. I feel it was "inappropriate" after our most successful QZ rally to suggest changing the venue just because several folk kiddingly mentioned the dust -- such as Fred and Wendy. But that doesn't mean they did not enjoy the rally. You have openly admitted that you hate to come to QZ. So for you and others that feel the same way, it would be more appropriate to suggest another rally, on "another set of dates".

The fact that the one friend of yours freaked out when on anything but a paved road -- and another that has never attended but just passed through is little or no cause for the rest of us to even consider stopping the most successful rally the forum has ever had anywhere.

Yes, different strokes -- so have a rally for each set of strokes on different dates and places. Then attend the one that fits yours the best. But if something works for such a large group, why not let it continue to grow as it has each year since Fred and Daisy put it together for us.

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« Reply #24 on: February 02, 2006, 07:06:49 AM »
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I can understand where some folks might not like the dust and not wish to return. That is their choice and their presence would be missed. Of course, we'd have more people about whom we could talk! :)

I don't feel it would be the least appropriate to move this rally anywere else. QZ, as I mentioned in my short tale, is unique. Yes, it is dusty but one must realize the desert contains a lot of dust. One must look beyond the obvious to see the beauty that lies all around. I haven't seen any other place where the sun plays over the mountains all day long changing the view of shadows and peaks. Where else have we seen sunsets of such beauty? No, QZ must remain where it is. Another rally would probably be more than welcome and attended by many of those that would still go to QZ. I have even thought it might be nice to do a rally in Mexico such as Puerto Penasco.(sp?) Texas might work though I haven't seen any place that would be great. There must be a spot somewhere.

Now people who just drive through without stopping and say they would never stay there are not looking at the desert for the beauty. I can see why some say that but one must stop and smell the cactus before deciding it just isn't for them. Just don't get their nose too close to the cactus :)

You are correct you will never get all the dust out of your vehicle. I have washed mine several times and the dealership washed it once. There's still dust on the vinyl portion of the spare tire cover that won't come out without heavy scrubbing. It does remind me of some great times, though. :)
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« Reply #25 on: February 02, 2006, 07:43:57 AM »
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« Reply #26 on: February 02, 2006, 08:17:29 AM »
I, too, will return to Q during the RV Show. It is with Quartzsite in mind that I bought my trailer, to rejoin the RVForum there.

I LOVE the flea markets at The Main Event, Rice Ranch, Tyson Wells and scattered about and was surprised to learn that some people have never gone to see all that is there. I hope that all went at least to the PowWow to see the beautiful things made locally.

An alternative to Moab would be nice where there is more space and more to do than 4-wheel. Or just an addition for those who don't want to do Moab.
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« Reply #27 on: February 02, 2006, 08:19:04 AM »
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I feel it was "inappropriate" after our most successful QZ rally to suggest changing the venue just because several folk kiddingly mentioned the dust -- such as Fred and Wendy.

Thanks for the "judgement" Bob, but I think you misinterpret my intentions. I have no desire to change the opinions of desert diehards by merely floating an idea. FWIW my references to people complaining about dust weren't merely to some coments made in jest; Without thinking about it, I know of at least four couples who have stated they won't be coming back, none of them in jest.

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But that doesn't mean they did not enjoy the rally.

At no time have I suggested they, or anyone else, did not enjoy the rally, so I'm not sure where you're getting that idea from. Certainly not from anything I've written or said. I can't imagine anyone not ejoying the company of the wonderful folks who attend our rallies.

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You have openly admitted that you hate to come to QZ.

If you're going to quote me, please get my words correct. If I hated coming to Quartzsite, I would not have been at the rally.
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« Reply #28 on: February 02, 2006, 08:39:52 AM »
I can't think of anything that would be as divisive to the forum as to schedule another rally anywhere but Quartzsite for the last week of January.  For those that don't like QZ, by all means, organize a rally somewhere else, but not that week if you want good attendance.

Those that don't like the dust and desert won't be happy anywhere but in a full service campground and we spend most of the year in those.  QZ is a welcome break where we can relax and enjoy all the wonders that have been described so well by others in these messages.  The challenge of going 8-9-10 days or more without the need of any services is part of the enjoyment.  We were really glad to get a sewer hookup yesterday, however :)

Between the QZ and Moab rallies, we get to experience some of the most beautiful parts of our country and I would be very disappointed to miss either of those.  We would attend other forum rallies and have been to several of the SE rallies, but only when we can fit our travel plans to allow it.  We DO plan our travels to attend QZ and Moab, and that's the difference.
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« Reply #29 on: February 02, 2006, 09:01:29 AM »
To Marlene and me, QZ is one of a kind. We love it and come back year after year in spite of the dust, the wind, the lack of grocery stores, the lines at the dump and to get into town and all the other issues. There is an ambiance, a beauty, a peacefulness that can be enjoyed in spite of all of the detractions. We will return with or without the Forum. The Forum brought us here in the first place and we sure hope that the Forum doesn't leave us here alone (it's good to see other Forumites who would return regardless also). Yes, we know that there are people who cannot handle the dust or the wind or whatever, but don't throw out this marvelous getaway for them, let's add another rally (how about the fall?) where these problems are not as severe and we can be with those who can't be with us at QZ?
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