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Alternate venue to QZ anyone?
« on: February 01, 2006, 06:40:07 PM »
The following was split off from the original QZ 2006 rally discussion to float an idea.

(LOL Wendy. We miss the people too, but not the QZ dust. I haven't got rid of all last year's dust yet)

Would there be any interest in a different (less dusty) venue next year  ???
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« Reply #1 on: February 01, 2006, 06:56:21 PM »
Isn't the dust part of the 'ambience' of Quartzsite?  :D

I really didn't notice it so much while I was there as I did after we left...in the carpets, on the coach, on the dog, in the clothes, up my nose......

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« Reply #2 on: February 01, 2006, 07:16:23 PM »

Maybe there would be interest in a different venue next year  ???

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« Reply #3 on: February 01, 2006, 07:23:03 PM »
LOL Bernie. Maybe we could rent one of those water trucks that spray water to keep the dust down in construction areas.
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« Reply #4 on: February 01, 2006, 07:27:54 PM »
The Quartzsite Rally has become a RV Forum tradition.  Wouldn't be the same anywhere else.
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« Reply #5 on: February 01, 2006, 07:52:10 PM »
The Quartzsite Rally has become a RV Forum tradition.  Wouldn't be the same anywhere else.

Surely you'd agree it's the people who make the rally, not the location. Other "Traditional" forum rallies (e.g. Centermost/Moab) have changed locations. But, as always, it will be the wishes of all participants that will decide the location. Just thought I'd float the idea to see if there's any interest in an alternate venue.

I've split this off into its own topic so as not to muddy the QZ 2006 discussion.
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« Reply #6 on: February 01, 2006, 08:39:18 PM »
During those winters where there is rain in southern AZ, QZ is not as dusty as this year.  This has been one of the driest years on record for the SW.  Last year was one of the wettest and we had water in the washes and some mud, but no dust.

Any venue in the desert will have the same conditions but none will have the ambience that is Quartzsite.  I thought this was one of the best years we've seen in the past 10 as the temperatures were very mild.  We've had some cold years and I'll take warm and dust any time :)
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« Reply #7 on: February 01, 2006, 08:48:20 PM »
For sure there was less dust last year, thanks to some rainy days/nights, although it wasn't dust-free.
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« Reply #8 on: February 01, 2006, 09:29:07 PM »
We could have the rally along the Gulf Coast of Texas from Rockport to places south.  Others could make the long trek then.

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« Reply #9 on: February 01, 2006, 09:33:20 PM »
I doubt that I can get Tarry to return to Quartzsite.  Her allergy's bothered her so much, always but this year especially, that I told her I would not ask her to return.  True, Quartzsite has become a tradition, but I agree with Tom;  take the same people and put them someplace else and who would know the difference. 
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« Reply #10 on: February 01, 2006, 09:57:29 PM »
I'm not an oldtimer at the rally's, however I know my lovely wife would definitely be inclined to attend at a different venue.  Not sure I can get her back to the Q due to the dust and wind. She's apt to use a pool Q on my noggin should I suggest it.  All I know is I had a blast meeting everyone.


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« Reply #11 on: February 01, 2006, 09:57:51 PM »
We'd gladly make the trek to TX (or elsewhere) Ron.

I'm in a similar position to Jim; Chris just loves the people but, after our first QZ visit last year, she said she wasn't coming back. I had to use some psychology to get her to come this year.

Our friends came for the first time this year, after a lot of coaxing, but won't come back. I'm sure they'll also disuade other friends I've been working on.
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« Reply #12 on: February 01, 2006, 10:15:11 PM »
Why not Quartzsite in January, Moab in May and somewhere else in between the two or in the fall?

Personally, we're a little strange....we liked Quartzsite, dust and all. But then, we lived in Death Valley for four years.

Speaking of Death Valley, that's where we'll be this Christmas. Also in Pahrump for Pah-rump-pah-pum-pum Days. Hey, how about Pahrump for a rally?

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« Reply #13 on: February 01, 2006, 10:16:47 PM »
I heard/read that Pahrump is a neat place. Is it dusty/dirty there?  ;D
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« Reply #14 on: February 01, 2006, 10:23:10 PM »
Well, Pahrump is in the desert sooooooooo...........

However, I can't remember ever being bothered by the dust there. Now, the smoke in the casinos is another whole story....
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« Reply #15 on: February 01, 2006, 10:32:21 PM »
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Smoke would definitely be an issue for me, but we don't gamble anyway. What else is in Pahrump?
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« Reply #16 on: February 01, 2006, 10:53:47 PM »
Quartzsite is not for everyone. I have found that there is ususally not much middle ground. It is either loved or hated. For those that do not like the dust and wind aspect, then another venue would be fine -- but would suggest picking some other time of the year (or winter) to hold it. For example, I will probably go from here (QZ) to Texas in a few weeks and would love to do the Gulf Coast for a Rally.

However, come early to mid January, 2007, I will join a million plus others (many like myself that love the desert) and return to Quartzsite. If my fire ring is not there, I will take morning walks again gathering rocks to build another one. I will get up early when I can and watch those incredible sunrises, and if I see a few clouds gathering as they did a few nights ago -- I will be ready with tripod and camera to capture another of those incredible AZ sunsets. I will dirve and or hike to the hillsides and enjoy the multitude of flowers that cover the ground -- especially in wetter years, I will four wheel the challange of finding my way downtown to see the many shows and people from all over the world. And by arriving early when I can, and staying on when I can, I will continue to get to know some of the local folk -- plus get to enjoy some of the beautiful solitude of the desert.

To me, there is little to compare to building a fire in the desert and inviting your friends to join you to just -- share. I want that to be part of my full time RVing experience always. Various amounts of dust and a bit of wind will never out weigh the good news about a few weeks in the desert each year. The fact that 50,000 plus other RV's are here during the two weeks of the show plus over 1,000,000 RVers just makes it that much more exciting to me.
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« Reply #17 on: February 01, 2006, 11:01:04 PM »
Whatever you do, don't tell BOB BUCHANAN this, but we burned the last of the pallets this evening in (on) his fire ring.

Being a relative newcomer to the Framily and a long term temporary resident of QZ, I have mixed emotions. It's great to have a huge area to congregate with all the people and with few restrictions, but can understand the problems some people have with the dust and wind, and  lack of facilities and decent grocery stores, etc. We have, however, had the same problems with Alamo Lake; maybe not the dust, but cold temp's, high winds, and other various and sundry concerns. Would I come back? Of course, but as Tom said, it's not the location that matters; it's the people. Logistically, some place other than the far Southwest would be better for many people, but the things that make the Quartzsite rally what it is (both good and bad) could not be duplictaed elsewhere. Maybe it could be BETTER somewhere else, but I'm not well enough travelled to make a suggestion as to where that may be.     
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« Reply #18 on: February 01, 2006, 11:16:02 PM »
IMHO Quartzsite is a one of a kind place and I would not want to see the Quartzsite rally moved or discontinued.  I am highly disappointed the subject of a change in venue has even come up.  This year we had the largest turnout ever at the QZ rally.  Why oh Why would we want to even consider tampering with success and tradition??



Now would we make any effort to attend a rally in TX or Ca or any other location during the RV show week at QZ??? NO.  I for one think the QZ rally should be continued. 
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« Reply #19 on: February 01, 2006, 11:45:31 PM »

Whatever you do, don't tell BOB BUCHANAN this, but we burned the last of the pallets this evening in (on) his fire ring.


Hmmmmm. I can recall mentioning to you last year on one of our jaunts to a rock and mineral show how impressed I was at the wealth of knowledges you possessed about such a wide variety of subjects. So when you attempted to burn a 4 ft. square pallet in a 3 ft. round fire ring, I got confused.  ??? ;D

The important thing is that it sounds like you had fun trying to fit the other 4 or 5 pallets into such a small circle. Let's see, how was it you explained the theory -- something about they would burn in the center and then you would push the sides in a little at a time?  ;)


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« Reply #20 on: February 02, 2006, 12:05:49 AM »
I love QZ & will always return...even though I might be the only one of the Framily there.<G>

However I would like to go to the Texas Gulf Coast & propose we move the Moab Rally to this location....Let the fur fly.<BG

 

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« Reply #21 on: February 02, 2006, 12:12:14 AM »
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I am highly disappointed the subject of a change in venue has even come up.

Didn't mean to highly disappoint anyone Ron. But, with several folks complaining about the conditions, it was appropriate to raise the subject. Heck, we might even get higher attendance at a different location. I have friends who have never camped at QZ but have driven through the area and have told me emphatically they wouldn't stay there if I paid them.

I doubt we'll ever get all that dirt out of our coach or the Burb, and this year's leftover just adds to last year's. Doesn't do much for my health or the condition or value of our coach.

I have no issue with the fact that some folks like the desert, and similarly folks shouldn't have an issue with those who don't. Just different strokes for different folks. As I said earlier, the decision will be made by the attendees.
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« Reply #22 on: February 02, 2006, 12:34:26 AM »
The Quartzsite Rally has become a RV Forum tradition.  Wouldn't be the same anywhere else.

 IMHO Traditions are formed by doing things over and over.  I see no reason not to create some new traditions.  When we fail to change we fail to live fully ,  as life is  a series of changes.  I love the desert but not the dirt, wind and cold.
 There are  many wonderful places on the planet, I think we deny ourselves when we fail to branch out to do  new things.  We selected the RV lifestyle to travel.  If we only do the same things over and over we might just as well "stay home."   I  want to experience new places  but  I want to do this with the same "old" people.  Truth is I don't care where we go, as long as  the forum Framily of friends  will go there too.
Tell me more about the Gulf coast. 
Hey why not a new  place in Utah instead of Moab?  We've been on the trails many times. Would Guf Coast work in that time frame?

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« Reply #23 on: February 02, 2006, 01:12:32 AM »

But, with several folks complaining about the conditions, it was appropriate to raise the subject. Heck, we might even get higher attendance at a different location. I have friends who have never camped at QZ but have driven through the area and have told me emphatically they wouldn't stay there if I paid them.


Well, I disagree, Tom -- and in a constructive way. I feel it was "inappropriate" after our most successful QZ rally to suggest changing the venue just because several folk kiddingly mentioned the dust -- such as Fred and Wendy. But that doesn't mean they did not enjoy the rally. You have openly admitted that you hate to come to QZ. So for you and others that feel the same way, it would be more appropriate to suggest another rally, on "another set of dates".

The fact that the one friend of yours freaked out when on anything but a paved road -- and another that has never attended but just passed through is little or no cause for the rest of us to even consider stopping the most successful rally the forum has ever had anywhere.

Yes, different strokes -- so have a rally for each set of strokes on different dates and places. Then attend the one that fits yours the best. But if something works for such a large group, why not let it continue to grow as it has each year since Fred and Daisy put it together for us.

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« Reply #24 on: February 02, 2006, 07:06:49 AM »
Tom,

I can understand where some folks might not like the dust and not wish to return. That is their choice and their presence would be missed. Of course, we'd have more people about whom we could talk! :)

I don't feel it would be the least appropriate to move this rally anywere else. QZ, as I mentioned in my short tale, is unique. Yes, it is dusty but one must realize the desert contains a lot of dust. One must look beyond the obvious to see the beauty that lies all around. I haven't seen any other place where the sun plays over the mountains all day long changing the view of shadows and peaks. Where else have we seen sunsets of such beauty? No, QZ must remain where it is. Another rally would probably be more than welcome and attended by many of those that would still go to QZ. I have even thought it might be nice to do a rally in Mexico such as Puerto Penasco.(sp?) Texas might work though I haven't seen any place that would be great. There must be a spot somewhere.

Now people who just drive through without stopping and say they would never stay there are not looking at the desert for the beauty. I can see why some say that but one must stop and smell the cactus before deciding it just isn't for them. Just don't get their nose too close to the cactus :)

You are correct you will never get all the dust out of your vehicle. I have washed mine several times and the dealership washed it once. There's still dust on the vinyl portion of the spare tire cover that won't come out without heavy scrubbing. It does remind me of some great times, though. :)
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« Reply #25 on: February 02, 2006, 07:43:57 AM »
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Jim, there's no doubt that you've captured much of the beauty of the desert in many of your photos.
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« Reply #26 on: February 02, 2006, 08:17:29 AM »
I, too, will return to Q during the RV Show. It is with Quartzsite in mind that I bought my trailer, to rejoin the RVForum there.

I LOVE the flea markets at The Main Event, Rice Ranch, Tyson Wells and scattered about and was surprised to learn that some people have never gone to see all that is there. I hope that all went at least to the PowWow to see the beautiful things made locally.

An alternative to Moab would be nice where there is more space and more to do than 4-wheel. Or just an addition for those who don't want to do Moab.
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« Reply #27 on: February 02, 2006, 08:19:04 AM »
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I feel it was "inappropriate" after our most successful QZ rally to suggest changing the venue just because several folk kiddingly mentioned the dust -- such as Fred and Wendy.

Thanks for the "judgement" Bob, but I think you misinterpret my intentions. I have no desire to change the opinions of desert diehards by merely floating an idea. FWIW my references to people complaining about dust weren't merely to some coments made in jest; Without thinking about it, I know of at least four couples who have stated they won't be coming back, none of them in jest.

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But that doesn't mean they did not enjoy the rally.

At no time have I suggested they, or anyone else, did not enjoy the rally, so I'm not sure where you're getting that idea from. Certainly not from anything I've written or said. I can't imagine anyone not ejoying the company of the wonderful folks who attend our rallies.

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You have openly admitted that you hate to come to QZ.

If you're going to quote me, please get my words correct. If I hated coming to Quartzsite, I would not have been at the rally.
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« Reply #28 on: February 02, 2006, 08:39:52 AM »
I can't think of anything that would be as divisive to the forum as to schedule another rally anywhere but Quartzsite for the last week of January.  For those that don't like QZ, by all means, organize a rally somewhere else, but not that week if you want good attendance.

Those that don't like the dust and desert won't be happy anywhere but in a full service campground and we spend most of the year in those.  QZ is a welcome break where we can relax and enjoy all the wonders that have been described so well by others in these messages.  The challenge of going 8-9-10 days or more without the need of any services is part of the enjoyment.  We were really glad to get a sewer hookup yesterday, however :)

Between the QZ and Moab rallies, we get to experience some of the most beautiful parts of our country and I would be very disappointed to miss either of those.  We would attend other forum rallies and have been to several of the SE rallies, but only when we can fit our travel plans to allow it.  We DO plan our travels to attend QZ and Moab, and that's the difference.
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« Reply #29 on: February 02, 2006, 09:01:29 AM »
To Marlene and me, QZ is one of a kind. We love it and come back year after year in spite of the dust, the wind, the lack of grocery stores, the lines at the dump and to get into town and all the other issues. There is an ambiance, a beauty, a peacefulness that can be enjoyed in spite of all of the detractions. We will return with or without the Forum. The Forum brought us here in the first place and we sure hope that the Forum doesn't leave us here alone (it's good to see other Forumites who would return regardless also). Yes, we know that there are people who cannot handle the dust or the wind or whatever, but don't throw out this marvelous getaway for them, let's add another rally (how about the fall?) where these problems are not as severe and we can be with those who can't be with us at QZ?
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« Reply #30 on: February 02, 2006, 09:02:34 AM »
Jim, there's no doubt that you've captured much of the beauty of the desert in many of your photos.

Thanks, Tom. I try and sometimes it works. :)
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« Reply #31 on: February 02, 2006, 09:06:46 AM »
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I can't think of anything that would be as divisive to the forum as to schedule another rally anywhere but Quartzsite for the last week of January.

I assume that wasn't a reference to my motives; I'm usually criticized for being the opposite of devisive and I try to avoid devisive people.   

QZ is certainly unique and has an attraction for a lot of people. Like you, I wouldn't support holding a rally at a time that clashes with another rally, for reasons that you and others have stated. If attendees prefer QZ, so be it. OTOH there's nothing "wrong" with seeing if there's interest in alternative venues. We might even get higher attendance, but who knows.
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« Reply #32 on: February 02, 2006, 09:09:13 AM »
Jim,

In addition to your photos, last year you and Pat opened our eyes to seeing the beauty that we would probably have otherwise missed. You did that in several locations, including on the back roads not too far from our home.
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« Reply #33 on: February 02, 2006, 09:15:08 AM »
After hearing from others about dust and conserving water Sue was willing to come to QZ ONCE because I was so set on doing so.

After experiencing this ytear we have already agreed to moodify our general wandering next year to be back in January. We have had a great time doing things you can only do here so plan on being here next January. Tried to post some pictures last night showing why we have enjoyed the week-will try again.

See you all in QZ next January! 8) 8) 8)

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« Reply #34 on: February 02, 2006, 10:02:19 AM »
LOL Jeff, I suspect that, if the concensus is to stay in QZ, we'll be back although it might be for a reduced time. Chris just has a blast around the people and I enjoy the one-on-one discussions. It was also good to get out of the cold and rain at home.

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« Reply #35 on: February 02, 2006, 10:17:57 AM »
I love QZ & will always return...even though I might be the only one of the Framily there.<G>

However I would like to go to the Texas Gulf Coast & propose we move the Moab Rally to this location....Let the fur fly.<BG

 

Well we have been to the Texas Gulf coast and although we were impressed we were not favorably impressed.  Would we return to the gulf coast probably not.  Will we return to QZ you bet we will.  Will we return to Moab you bet we will.  Would we attend a rally at another Venue probably as long as it doesn't interfer with our plans for QZ or Moab.

I love the QZ desert and Moab.  One great thing about Moab there is so much to see some of the most beautiful country going to Moab, at Moab, and on the way from Moab.
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« Reply #36 on: February 02, 2006, 10:21:50 AM »
I assume that wasn't a reference to my motives; I'm usually criticized for being the opposite of devisive and I try to avoid devisive people.

I don't attempt to divine anyones motives, I was just stating MY opinion, which seems to be validated by many of the other replies in this topic.
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« Reply #37 on: February 02, 2006, 10:55:14 AM »
Tom!

If it ain't broke, why try to fix it??????

Aye, there are a few folks who can't handle the setting.  Even my dear friend Audrey is among those, and I invited her and Shayne here.  But do you really believe you can satisfy 100% of our members 100% of the time?

No dust, no Smoke!  The Admiral and I have firmly scheduled our annual tour to include QZ again next year.

Bernie's message is lovely.  The Admiral and I will hope to share his campfire here next year, come hell or high water.  This rally has a long standing tradition.  Tradition is important to a framily and is the life blood of a framily.  Let us not begin tearing down our traditions.  Especially this one as it is now a well founded tradition.

If there are folks who cannot handle the dust, then why not another rally more to their liking at another time?

Something must have been right about QZ.  Who can argue that is was a very very successful rally?  Keep it at QZ and it will keep on growing.
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« Reply #38 on: February 02, 2006, 11:00:33 AM »
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« Reply #39 on: February 02, 2006, 12:07:52 PM »
Smoky,

As I said in my other reply to you, all I did was ask an innocent question, more like thinkiing aloud. Quite honestly, I'm very disturbed by some of the replies I've read. I have no hidden agenda or sinister motive and merely suggested something that might better suit some folks while being acceptable to others. As you'll see from my messages, I don't even have an alternate venue in mind.

I'm (almost) always open to other folks' opinions and suggestions, and all I ask is that folks give my comments the same courtesy.

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« Reply #40 on: February 02, 2006, 12:12:25 PM »
It appears that many are disturbed that the question was even asked.
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« Reply #41 on: February 02, 2006, 12:18:17 PM »
I was just stating MY opinion

So my assumption was correct  ;D
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« Reply #42 on: February 02, 2006, 12:39:22 PM »
Yes ;)
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« Reply #43 on: February 02, 2006, 06:03:36 PM »
Tom:

>> Thanks for the "judgement" Bob, but I think you misinterpret my intentions. I have no desire to change the opinions of desert diehards by merely floating an idea.
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Desert die hards?  ??? How about, those that love the desert for a few weeks in January . . .

Note that I prefaced my comment with, "Well, I disagree, Tom -- and in a constructive way." You seem to have left that out of your reference. Sorry that I assumed wrong that it was OK to constructively comment on your statement. That was NOT a judgment . . .

>> FWIW my references to people complaining about dust weren't merely to some coments made in jest; Without thinking about it, I know of at least four couples who have stated they won't be coming back, none of them in jest.
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I referenced those notes so far in this thread -- and didn't know of the other 4 out of 50 or so couples that attended that you mention. I certainly had more than that make an effort to let me know how much they enjoyed their time at QZ, and said they would look forward to coming back next year.

However, you seem to have missed the point. Forum members here went to the trouble years ago to start something as special as our QZ rally -- then joined by many others each year nurtured it with a lot of effort to make it as good as it can be. Now we have just had the biggest and best yet. So rather than helping to make it even bigger next year, you show up for a couple of years, then "Float a suggestion" to move it somewhere else. I view that as a suggestion that should not have been floated -- considering how much effort many here have made over the years to make "this" location special.

My comment was that I thought it would have been more appropriate considering how strongly many here feel about our QZ gathering and how much work they have put into it, to have your suggested Dust and Wind Free Rally on another set of dates.

>> At no time have I suggested they, or anyone else, did not enjoy the rally, so I'm not sure where you're getting that idea from.
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I never said you did.

>> If you're going to quote me, please get my words correct. If I hated coming to Quartzsite, I would not have been at the rally.
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I "have" quoted you correctly. You mentioned to me personally and I overheard you say to others how much you dislike coming to Quartzsite. You said something very close to, "The only reason I come down here is because of the forum members". My response to you, if you recall, was an assurance of how much the forum members appreciate your coming down regardless of your feelings about the location.

So you hate, dislike -- whatever strong negatives you want to use about your strong feelings against coming to this location. No one has said anything about your feelings for the forum members.
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« Reply #44 on: February 02, 2006, 06:51:02 PM »
"Desert die hards"

You know, Boondocking in the dessert for 2 weeks in January was kind of fun, to be honest what was even more fun was the community we have built up here in the forum, the nightly campfires, the friends and gatherings.

But now that January is over I'm parked somewhere where I can get a shower, long hot shower, without worrying about anything that even resembles a water tank, or lp tank for that matter, I'm parked where the generator does not need to run "A couiple of hours morning and night"  (30 amp hookup, they had have 50's but I don't need one)

I'm parked where I can even visit a casion w/o driving (Circus Circus KOA)

I like this too,  Daughter is dropping by to take us to dinner. (Another good thing) when the black tank fills, all I need to do to dump is pull the handle.

So, once in a while, desert boondocking is fun, QZ has a ton of other advantages

And once the party is over... Well full hookups are nice too, expensive here at the KOA, but nice
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« Reply #45 on: February 02, 2006, 07:07:33 PM »
Bob

What I took issue with was being told that it was inappropriate for me to post my question. Taking issue with the subject is fine, but not with me personally for asking. I would have no issue with a response such as "I think we should return to QZ because ....", provided of course that other opinions are respected.

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you show up for a couple of years, then "Float a suggestion" to move it somewhere else.

Why do you insist on attacking me personally? One reason I didn't "show up" in some prior years was the fact that I was continually travelling around the world and had other commitments on the occasions I was home. FWIW I was online every day wherever I was in the world, helping manage the forum from the back room. Later, when I first retired and had the time, our old coach was no longer in a useable condition and wouldn't have made it to QZ.

When we finally bought our current coach, the first stop on the maiden voyage was the Moab rally. Later on that first trip we made a conscious effort to visit &/or camp with a number of forum members across the U.S. and even Canada. That same trip I even visited our old hosts (CS) in Columbus, pleading the case for our forum. The very next QZ rally, we were there. Heck, we even went back to QZ 7-10 days later and spent a couple of nights at the "last campfires" before heading elsewhere with forum members. Please don't dismiss this as simply showing up.

As for the (mis)quote, let me help you remember it correctly:

"I hate the desert and Chris hates it even more", which I qualified with an explanation that we have a real issue with the dirt and the dust. Yes, I clearly stated that the people were the reason we came this year, but that shouldn't be construed as me hating QZ. As others have said, it is indeed a unique place.
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« Reply #46 on: February 02, 2006, 07:15:03 PM »
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what was even more fun was the community we have built up here in the forum, the nightly campfires, the friends and gatherings.

That's so true John. I really enjoyed meeting and getting to know lots of folks I hadn't met in person in addition to renewing old acquaintances.
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« Reply #47 on: February 02, 2006, 07:36:39 PM »
>> What I took issue with was being told that it was inappropriate for me to post my question. Taking issue with the subject is fine, but not with me personally for asking.
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Well, that's where it stands, Tom. I DO take issue with you personally for what you posted. It was, in my opinion, totally unappropriate -- and showed a lack of feeling for a bunch of nice people. And not a hint of understanding on your part of why it was unappropriate.

Am off this thread -- that should not be here in the first place.

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« Reply #48 on: February 02, 2006, 07:53:42 PM »
Bob,

I respectfully suggest you read our forum rules (click the Rules button above). More or less the same ones we had at the old forum venue and something we all agreed to when registering for an account here in the current forum.
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« Reply #49 on: February 02, 2006, 08:25:57 PM »
Tom,

It's always fun to take someone new out into the desert and mountains and show them what lies in wait. :) Really happy you enjoyed it.
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« Reply #50 on: February 02, 2006, 08:43:51 PM »
Mike and I will be in Quartzsite next January whether anyone else is there or not. As for the dust, I really didn't notice it that much. And don't remember the wind blowing a lot.....we've been rock & rolled by the wind a lot worse in other places (Texas, Kansas, and Gulf Breeze come to mind).

Anyway, we'll see a bunch of you in Moab in May and more of you in Quartzsite next January. And I only hope we're lucky enough to be able to spend a whole month in the beautiful Arizona desert.

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« Reply #51 on: February 02, 2006, 09:00:25 PM »
By the way:

      What I posted about the Texas Hill Country is a possible replacement for Moab, NOT FOR QUARTZSITE.



While the hill country is probably the more desireable place in Texas it just doesn't hold any comparison to Moab or anywhere in Southern Utah or Northern  Arizona.  There just isn't much to do or see getting there from any direction.

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« Reply #52 on: February 02, 2006, 09:06:09 PM »
Well, that's where it stands, Tom. I DO take issue with you personally for what you posted. It was, in my opinion, totally unappropriate -- and showed a lack of feeling for a bunch of nice people. And not a hint of understanding on your part of why it was unappropriate.

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I see no harm in  anyone throwing out simple suggestions for input.  I hate dust and dirt and  yet love Quartzsite and like the people who attend. I think the opportunity to bash about ideas is a good thing as everyone gets to air their opinion.  Granted we may not all agree with one another and  eventually a strong  consensus will emerge but I would hate  it if I felt I could not  "test the waters" with a  new suggestion.  Whenever I have organized any activities for a Forum Rally I took onto consideration things we've not done before.  
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« Reply #53 on: February 02, 2006, 09:14:20 PM »
Couldn't we talk about additional rally sites rather than talking about replacing Quartzsite or Moab? We lived in San Antonio and I like the Texas Hlll Country but wouldn't go there instead of Quartzsite or Moab. Same holds true for the Gulf Coast. But I'm always open for adding another trip in the RV.

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That's probably a good idea Wendy, given the feathers that my suggestion ruffled. Any suggestions for when or where? Might not be a bad idea to look at an overview of other possible conflicts such as manufacturers' pre rallies, FMCA, etc.
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« Reply #55 on: February 02, 2006, 11:45:24 PM »
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Thanks Betty. I was beginning to believe I was some evil person with less than honorable intentions. I built my career on personal relationships and mutual trust with people throughout the world. My contacts on various continents knew they could implicitly trust whatever I said, that I was empathetic and that my only agenda was to help solve their issues. I've tried to apply the same degree of integrity to my work in the forum.
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« Reply #56 on: February 03, 2006, 07:13:57 AM »
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I feel the same as Betty and I don't believe anyone that might have suggested an alternative would have received any different response. I think QZ is so embedded into the Framily psyche that a negative response would be normal. I sure hope nobody would hold ill will because of an innocent suggestion. I know I don't!!!
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« Reply #57 on: February 03, 2006, 08:34:57 AM »
Thanks Jim. I know you'e a straight shooter like myself and felt your prior responses were, in a word, appropriate.

This is one of those times when something innocently written with good intentions blew up into something it needn't have and I'm left wishing I hadn't made the suggestion in the first place. But, as someone said to me at QZ (and I agreed), it's impossible to take back what has been said/written, even if I admitted it was a dumb idea.
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« Reply #58 on: February 03, 2006, 09:04:43 AM »
Lest we all forget, it wasn't too many years ago that subjects like unwed pregnancies, politics, religion, and other subjects were considered taboo. Indeed, some of them still raise some people's hackles, and are best avoided. Recently, a group of people decided to spend the New Years at Laughlin, another group went to Lake Pleasant, and still others went elsewhere or simply stayed home. Granted, the New Year's Eve celebration is not steeped in tradition like QZ is, but the point is that reasonable people should be able to broach any subject (personal afronts aside) without hesitation or fear of retribution. Several suggestion as to other ralllies (not as a replacement for QZ) have already been presented, so let's keep the dialogue open and maybe find an additional place for us to enjoy each other's company.

Too much ink has already been given this innocent remark by Tom, so let's either discuss it like rational people or let it die here and now.     
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« Reply #59 on: February 03, 2006, 09:14:53 AM »
Agreed Karl and thanks for your comments. Taking your suggestion, I'm locking this topic to prevent further dowhill movement.

BTW any time I don't respond well to rational comments, feel free to get out the 2x4.
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« Reply #60 on: February 03, 2006, 02:01:01 PM »
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Don't beat yourself up about it even though others might. :) I think most of us know you were just asking if this was feasible. Obviously it's not but there was no intent to try to eliminate QZ unless all agreed. Another rally location at another time might still be good. As much as I enjoy both QZ and Moab it would be nice to visit other locations. Again, I wouldn't want to see either of the previous eliminated!
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« Reply #61 on: February 03, 2006, 02:46:19 PM »
Hi Jim, yes I do tend to beat myself up whenever a forum member is upset, irrespective of whether we agree or disagree.

The idea of a rally somewhere between QZ and Moab might work out well for folks who travel out west for a few months. Of course, it couldn't conflict with other events that might be a big draw for forum members. The big challenge, as others have suggested, is finding somewhere that could accomodate the group. Passing the Indio fairgrounds on our way to dinner last evening makes me wonder if such places might work. I've never camped at any fairgrounds and I don't even know where they're typically situated. Again, just thinking aloud.

I'll move this part of the message to another topic if one gets started on, for example, forum rallies.


Done. Moved to this topic.
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« Reply #62 on: February 03, 2006, 07:17:38 PM »
Folks, this topic is closed and locked and I sincerely apologize for any and all unintended distress that it caused. To suggest an alternate location to QZ was, in retrospect, a dumb idea although it wasn't intended to offend or upset anyone nor attract the reactions it did.

I've moved some of the messages containing suggestions for (non-conflicting) forum rallies to this topic.
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« Reply #63 on: February 04, 2006, 06:51:19 AM »
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I think you locked the wrong topic. :) I went to the new topic via your link and it said it was off limits.
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« Reply #64 on: February 04, 2006, 08:20:14 AM »
Apologies Jim, I must have incorrectly pasted the wrong link. This is the correct one. I'll go back and fix the one in my earlier message.

Edit: Turns out that the same link in two prior messages in this topic had the same two digits interchanged. Unlikely with a simple copy/paste, but then I remembered I'd split and merged several messages into a new topic. Mystery solved. (I hate unsolved mysteries).
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« Reply #65 on: February 04, 2006, 03:33:02 PM »
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Glad you solved the mystery. Sure wouldn't want you to lose sleep over it. :)
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