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Carl L

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The why of tow ratings.
« on: February 03, 2006, 08:05:46 PM »
You all may have noticed that Ron and I tend to harp a lot on things like tow ratings, GCVWRs, and trailer weights, gross and otherwise. We do have our reasons. One of those reasons is illustrated in the attached video fille. The file has been floating around the web for a while but I think it is particularly appropriate here.

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Re: The why of tow ratings.
« Reply #1 on: February 05, 2006, 07:22:26 PM »
Love those locked up front brakes  ;D ;D ;D
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Re: The why of tow ratings.
« Reply #2 on: February 13, 2006, 12:10:49 PM »
Carl, 

Thanks for this, it is absolutely great.  I've shared it with a number of trailering co-workers at the office.  One of the "things" we're supposed to do every day is have a safety moment.  This would work great with an introduction of something like "Reasonable Expectations."
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Re: The why of tow ratings.
« Reply #3 on: March 26, 2006, 09:46:05 AM »
As a follow-up to my previous post:

I am using this video clip in a class I am currently giving. 

I'm tying it to a discussion, "How does working within your limits or the limits of your  team relate to safety."

After the discussion, I show the video, where the car is clearly not working within its limits. 

Then, later, we discuss a situation where a work team didn't work within their limits as well as they should have and the adverse consequences to that team and the plant where they used to work.

A lot of the guys in the class have RVs of one type or another, so they really appreciate this.  Others drive little, tiny cars and, of course, they get some friendly ribbing from some of thei co-workers. ;)
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Re: The why of tow ratings.
« Reply #4 on: May 05, 2006, 03:16:57 PM »
When I click on the link, I am asked to save the .php file instead of open the .wmv file. Why is this? I cannot play the video.

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Re: The why of tow ratings.
« Reply #5 on: May 05, 2006, 05:16:05 PM »
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When I click on the link, I am asked to save the .php file instead of open the .wmv file. Why is this? I cannot play the video.

Does the same thing to me.  Any suggestions?

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Re: The why of tow ratings.
« Reply #6 on: May 05, 2006, 07:13:12 PM »
It sounds like you don't have Windows Media on your PC, or it's not enabled. The file is a Windows Media file.
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Re: The why of tow ratings.
« Reply #7 on: May 05, 2006, 11:03:46 PM »
It sounds like you don't have Windows Media on your PC, or it's not enabled. The file is a Windows Media file.

Tom:

Realplayer will also play the file.

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Re: The why of tow ratings.
« Reply #8 on: May 05, 2006, 11:06:41 PM »
Thanks Jeff.
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Re: The why of tow ratings.
« Reply #9 on: May 07, 2006, 01:09:24 PM »
I have all of the necessary components to allow playing a wmv file. The link for me comes up as a .php file though, not a .wmv file.

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Re: The why of tow ratings.
« Reply #10 on: May 07, 2006, 01:39:50 PM »
I have all of the necessary components to allow playing a wmv file. The link for me comes up as a .php file though, not a .wmv file.

The full link is: http://www.rvforum.net/SMF_forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=3946.0;id=1684  which is the standard format of links here for downloads. It's not the actual file format. We're in transit right now, but I'll check out the file when we stop for the night.
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Re: The why of tow ratings.
« Reply #11 on: May 07, 2006, 03:04:42 PM »
Tom,

Worked fine for me with WMP.
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Re: The why of tow ratings.
« Reply #12 on: May 07, 2006, 03:09:16 PM »
Thanks Karl. Same for Jeff. I can't download the file while we're on the freeway so I'll try it this evening.
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Re: The why of tow ratings.
« Reply #13 on: May 07, 2006, 10:26:15 PM »
I've downloaded the file several times on two different computers and all the copies play just fine in Windows Media Player.

Which software are you trying to get it to play in? Does the file download OK but not play?
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Re: The why of tow ratings.
« Reply #14 on: May 08, 2006, 09:11:57 AM »
I click the link and the next thing I am asked is to save the .php file. This is very odd. I have never had any problems like this before, and I am not a newbie computer user, but I have no idea why it works for some and not for me.

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Re: The why of tow ratings.
« Reply #15 on: May 08, 2006, 09:59:19 AM »
I wonder if you are somehow losing the last partr of the link, the   "?action=dlattach;topic=3946.0;id=1684" part that follows the "http://www.rvforum.net/SMF_forum/index.php".  Or your browser is not interpreting the html correctly and following through to the .wmv file itself.

What is the full name of the file you are invited to save? It should be "caravana.wmv". Are you seeing "caravana.php" or perhaps "www.rvforum.net/SMF_forum/index.php"?
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Re: The why of tow ratings.
« Reply #16 on: May 08, 2006, 03:42:24 PM »
I click on the link and it asks me to save index.php. There is no reference to the .wmv file.

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Re: The why of tow ratings.
« Reply #17 on: May 08, 2006, 03:43:10 PM »
http://www.rvforum.net/SMF_forum/index.php?topic=3946.0 is the url that ends up in the Address bar of the browser.

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Re: The why of tow ratings.
« Reply #18 on: May 08, 2006, 03:57:37 PM »
David,

Sounds like Gary might be correct in that your browser isn't correctly interpreting the full link.

Try copying/pasting the full link into your browser address bar: http://www.rvforum.net/SMF_forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=3946.0;id=1684

If there are any spaces or something is truncated, fix it (by typing in the missing/wrong parts) before clicking to go to the link.

Let us know what happens and, if it still doesn't work, tell us which browser you're using so someone can check it out.

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Re: The why of tow ratings.
« Reply #19 on: May 09, 2006, 12:02:08 PM »
I am using Microsoft Internet Explorer version 6.0.2900.2180. I pasted the link into the address bar. Nothing is missing or truncated. No spaces are in the url. I get an unknown file type message box that asks me if I want to save index.php. Why not just put the .wmv file as the link instead of the index.php url?

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Re: The why of tow ratings.
« Reply #20 on: May 11, 2006, 05:57:33 PM »
Why not just put the .wmv file as the link instead of the index.php url?

Because the attachments aren't stored that way on our server. Try this link which avoids the .php and related stuff.

The file downloads just fine with this link, but Windows Media Player will tell you it doesn't recognize the extension and gives you the option to play it anyway. If you accept, the file should open and play just fine.

Apologies for this delayed follow-up; I've been extremely busy since we arrived home a couple of days ago.
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Re: The why of tow ratings.
« Reply #21 on: May 12, 2006, 11:44:28 AM »
Yikes! That's bloody scary!

btw, the link Tom gave works. All you have to do is rclick the link, select Save Target As, and make sure that the extension saved is .wmv.

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Re: The why of tow ratings.
« Reply #22 on: May 12, 2006, 01:13:49 PM »
Glad the link works David. Yes, that sure is scary.
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Re: The why of tow ratings.
« Reply #23 on: February 19, 2007, 06:58:07 PM »
Reminds me of that classic Amos N' Andy episode from the 50's (dating myself here??) where the Kingfish buys a travel trailer and tries to pull it with a motor scooter!!  It too smoked, just like the car in this clip. ;)

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Re: The why of tow ratings.
« Reply #24 on: March 02, 2007, 08:39:50 AM »
I wasn't too sure where to insert this comment, but for a while now I've felt compelled to make an observation.  I just wanted to say that I'm impressed with the patience of the forum staff.  Over and over I have read threads here where people are trying to justify towing close to or over the rated capacity of their trucks.  I can understand the desire to avoid upgrading a TV, I'm not rich either.

When I'm towing a camper, however, three of the most precious things in the world to me are riding along: my son, my wife, and my dog.  Okay, the dog is a distant third, but I would be devastated to lose him too.  Five feet behind my 5 year old son's head is a 10,000 pound fifth wheel camper.  I'm sorry, but I'm going for overkill when it comes to the truck.  In fact, we bought a cheaper camper so that we could put more money into the truck. It makes me sick to think of my son getting injured, and to think it was because I put him in danger, I don't know if I could live with that.

I'm a careful driver, but unless the roads are all 0% grade and have no other drivers, the sky's are sunny and clear, and a 12' electric fence has been erected on either side of the road to keep the deer and other animals away, I've got to make sure my rig is under control at all times.  It's not if I'll ever have a panic situation, it's when.

Sorry, I've just felt compelled to say this for a while.  Now that it's off my chest, I feel much better.  Thanks!

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Re: The why of tow ratings.
« Reply #25 on: March 02, 2007, 09:46:30 AM »
Thanks for that input.  When you think about it it just doesn't make sense to put yourself,  love ones, or anybody else at risk by driving an overloaded vehicle.  Unfortunately some folks show their intelligent level by doing just that.

I very much agree with your thoughts and thank you for posting your thoughts on this.
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Re: The why of tow ratings.
« Reply #26 on: March 03, 2007, 05:17:21 AM »
Right on, Dave!
All too often people will already have a truck and then try to find the largest TT or 5th wheel possible, without giving due consideration to all the additional weight of personal items, food, water, etc., and then pack the bed of the truck with additional items like a generator, 4-wheeler, toolbox - you name it. If a person has the means, it's better to put the cart before the horse; pick out the trailer you want and then buy the tow vehicle that has enough 'headroom' to be safe under extreme conditions. This isn't always possible, so then it's better to start out with a smaller, lighter TT, upgrade to a more capable truck when you can, then get the larger, heavier TT.
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Re: The why of tow ratings.
« Reply #27 on: March 03, 2007, 05:42:39 AM »
I hope it didn't come off sounding like a rant.  I just really wanted to let the forum staff know how impressed I am with your patience and kindness in answering those questions.  I teach for a living, and I know how it is when my students ask me a question that I've already covered in class a half dozen times, they could have found in the reading, or it's clear they are just trying to avoid doing the work.  The urge to be sarcastic in my reply is hard to ignore.

Thanks for all of your patience and hard work!  :)

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Re: The why of tow ratings.
« Reply #28 on: March 03, 2007, 05:59:20 AM »
I hope it didn't come off sounding like a rant. ...The urge to be sarcastic in my reply is hard to ignore.

It sure didn't sound/read like a rant to me Dave and I didn't detect any hint of sarcasm. Your comment was very much appreciated. I don't personally answer a lot of the questions here, especially on trailer/towing issues, and prefer to leave that to our experts. As you correctly noted, they are very patient.

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Re: The why of tow ratings.
« Reply #29 on: March 03, 2007, 06:10:08 AM »
So that's what that "Hosts" button is for.  I've never clicked on it because I thought it would take me to a description of the computers/servers that were hosting this site.  I'm not very interested in that.  Thanks, Tom!  I learn something new every day!

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