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Buying a RV for 6mths
« on: February 21, 2011, 05:36:56 AM »
My wife and I arrive in the US (from the UK) mid April on B2 Tourist visa. We are hoping to buy a used RV for approx $20/25000 to drive around america. (Not mexico/canada) for 6 - 12 mth (I have full UK driving licence and an International Driving Permit. I am 32 yr old)

We have not booked our flights yet and people have told us to check state laws regarding buying / lic / registering / insuring etc.  Do you have any recommendations regarding which states may be best to buy in?

We have friends living in Cincinnati who I am sure would allow us to register the RV at their property.

We also have a 3 year old daughter so would need to meet child safety laws etc.

Any advice regarding what to buy / where to buy etc would be great. Really looking forward to trip but the RV thing is bit of headache... Getting the right one, I guess will either make or break the trip.
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« Reply #1 on: February 21, 2011, 09:14:58 AM »
Hi Paul and welcome to The RV Forum from an ex pat Taff.

While awaiting other replies, you could browse the messages in this Visitors to the USA message board, and there's also an article or two in our forum library written by folks who have blazed the trail ahead of you. Click the Library button above and look in the Visitors to the USA area.

One clarification, in case you missed it in your reading here, is that a B2 visa will give you a maximum of 6 months stay in the US, the actual time being at the discretion of the officer at the port of entry. In any event, you'll need to leave the US for a brief time and return/re-enter in order to restart the clock on the 6 months limit. Most visitors satisfy this by crossing into Canada for a couple of weeks.

Be sure to bring your driving licence in addition to the permit as some states don't recognize the permit although they'll recognize your UK licence. I can only say for sure that this is true in California, and haven't specifically looked at this issue for other states.
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Re: Buying a RV for 6mths
« Reply #2 on: February 21, 2011, 09:34:35 AM »
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We also have a 3 year old daughter so would need to meet child safety laws etc.

Use the Search button in the toolbar above and search for "child restraint" or "child restraint seats" (with the quotes) to find a number of prior discussions on this subject. The laws vary by state, but generally speaking you'll need a car seat such as the ones shown here and it will need to be securely fastened in a forward-facing seat. The latter makes it a little difficult to comply with the law in some (all?) states that say your daughter would not be allowed to travel in a front passenger seat, while some RV models don't have any forward facing seats other than the driver and front passenger seats.

For info only, here's what I decided to do as my best compromise between satisfying the law and being safety conscious when we travelled with a 4 year old grandson. Reading some of those other discussions will give some insight into what others chose to do.
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« Reply #3 on: February 26, 2011, 02:29:15 PM »
You should look at the sales tax and license fee, which can vary considerably from state to state. Insurance costs can also change depending on where you license the RV.
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« Reply #4 on: February 26, 2011, 03:01:58 PM »
I just met a Brit here in the resort who is retired. He bought a new coach (~$200k), licensed it in Montana with an LLC, but has to store it for the six months that he has to come back to the UK.

There are issues with residency for registration, licensing, etc. that are unique to those from another country. This gentleman spent a lot of time jumping through the hoops, which were quite maddening to someone who wants to be in the US and travel. Lack of a permanent ZIP code and a Social Security Number seem to be real issues!

That was not meant to discourage, at all, but do the homework! I am sure there are others lurking on the forum with even more information.

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« Reply #5 on: February 26, 2011, 08:49:13 PM »
Hi Paul:

we are from BC...

a few years ago, my parents sold their TC to a couple from the UK who were doing similar to your plan
while i do not know all the details, i do know they had no issues with registration, licensing, insurance, etc.

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« Reply #6 on: March 04, 2011, 03:06:21 PM »
Hello everyone. thank you for you replys and Tips.

Tom... thanks, you directed me to some very useful information.

Quick update with a couple more questions:

Visa's arrived yesterday.. B2 Tourist - 10 yr multiple entry for 'probably' 6mths at a time (Depends at point of entry) Ė A relatively simple process with just very basic questions asked at embassy interview last week.  Tom.. you mentioned about dipping into Canada to restart the clock after 6 mths... the lady at the embassy told us during our interview that we would only be able to enter the US once every year for upto 6 mth??? that scared me a bit..

We have a friends address in Cincinnati (Ohio) who will allow us to register RV at.

Basic route (all round America) is sorted, however starting point and where to fly into is still giving me a headache.
Two main things to consider:

a) Seasons ( I want to see most of desert end of april, may, june)
b) and Of course purchase of Class 3 RV.

Plan was originally to fly to Chicago. Buy RV there (Looking to spend approx $25,000 on 2005-08, 24-26ft with approx 50k miles)
and start the trip heading west down Route 66.

Benefit = Cheap flights £365pm - (11th April 2011) (Have to change flights though) and I like the idea of doing Route 66 first as I donít think it will be the best bit of our trip. This would also get us into Utah / Nevada middle to late May prior to crowds and heat.

However, I have also got some flight tickets on hold with Virgin direct to San Fran for £500 each (Very reasonable for 12th Apr 2011). I looked at SF because I was told it might be easier to purchase RV there. It also sounds more appealing place to be based for a couple of weeks while we purchase an RV.. and its also close enough to to the desert part of our route as soon as possible.

Questions:

Can a buy and RV in California... and register it in Ohio. For what ever reason i was under the impression that I do not have to register RV in same State as purchased??????? I was told yesterday however that if i by in CA then I have to register it in CA. If this is true then it flying into either Chicago or SF would be out the question.

As flights are not booked (but need to be within the next week) does anyone have any knowledge of where may be best to fly into to buy a RV? (based on state laws or simply amount of RV's for sale)

I have considered Oregon (for Tax purposes) and Arizona ( lots of people retiring there and selling RV's, Allegedly)

Any advice would be appreciated... its great having the flexibility to start my route in any state however sometimes I think it would be a lot less complicated if we were not flexible and just had to make do with the situation.

I have also just read that Ohio State Laws regarding registering RV  would involve us producing a SSN and Ohio driving lic number... we have neither... and if we have to register RV in same state we buy it then that would mean that my friends address in Cincinnati is worthless to us.  Urrggghh!!! stress time.

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Re: Buying a RV for 6mths
« Reply #7 on: March 04, 2011, 03:46:04 PM »
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... the lady at the embassy told us during our interview that we would only be able to enter the US once every year for upto 6 mth??? that scared me a bit..

First time anyone has mentioned that, and I'd be wanting to get further clarification. We have heard of one or more British couples not being allowed back into the US after several successive visits to Canada with the intent of re-starting the clock. But lots of Brits have reported single brief trips to Canada and re-entering.

At least one couple decided to try filing a form I-539, which is an application to extend a stay (after you get here) by up to 6 months, without actually leaving. I don't recall the outcome, but you might read this message for a few caveats. Since Mick and Pat (in that other discusssion) were going to file a form I-539, you might email or PM Mick to ask him what happened.
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« Reply #8 on: March 04, 2011, 04:26:22 PM »
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I looked at SF because I was told it might be easier to purchase RV there. It also sounds more appealing place to be based for a couple of weeks while we purchase an RV.. and its also close enough to to the desert part of our route as soon as possible.

I assume you'd want to do some shopping around before forking out your hard earned cash. Are you planning on buying privately, or from a dealer? Whilst there are a number of RV dealers in the greater SF Bay area, I don't know about in SF itself. You might want to do some Googling for dealers, checking out their inventory and where exactly they're located. If buying privately, take a look on Craig's List to get an idea of where the sellers are. Were you planning on renting a car for a couple of weeks? Getting anywhere in the Bay area, outside the city itself, by public transit isn't very convenient.
 
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« Reply #9 on: March 04, 2011, 04:44:28 PM »
Neither San Francisco or Chicago come to mind as good places to buy an RV, but don't have any actual experience with either one of them.  Perhaps in the outlying areas, but you won't find RV dealers in either city. Florida and Arizona seem to be the prime spots (both a mecca for RVers in the winter and they trade their rigs there). Many Brits choose to fly into Florida (Orlando or Tampa) and buy from the numerous dealers in that state. Jim Dick & I recently helped Dougie Smith of the UK purchase a pre-owned Class A motorhome at Lazydays,  the largest single site RV dealer in the world. Rent a car and plan o spending 4-7 days in south Florida, shopping for an RV and enjoying the area as well. I know the folks at Lazydays are familiar with handling inter-country money transfers, insurance, etc for visitors, and also with registering vehicles in other states. It's all "old hat" for them - they do it all the time..

You can buy in California, but you will want to take delivery outside of the state to avoid their horrendous taxes. Most dealers will drive the RV to nearby Nevada for you and turn over the keys there, making it an Out-of-state delivery. You can register/title in any state, but you generally have only 30 days to do that. Don't know if you actually have to take the RV to Ohio to do the paperwork there, but I would suspect so.

Reentry on your visa: it's up to the people at the border.  No sure thing, though they probably would not deny you on a whim.
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Re: Buying a RV for 6mths
« Reply #10 on: March 04, 2011, 04:58:37 PM »
I agree with Gary, there are not many RV dealers in the SF area.  When we lived there and the RV market was booming, there weren't all that many dealers.  The nearest may be south of San Jose but I'm not sure the one I'm thinking of is still there!  Arizona and Florida definitely are larger RVing destinations and thus have more dealers.  I wouldn't think Chicago would be a good source either.  RVing tends to be a western and southern activity here, so generally speaking the northern states don't seem to have large concentrations of dealers.

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« Reply #11 on: March 04, 2011, 06:28:45 PM »
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The nearest may be south of San Jose but I'm not sure the one I'm thinking of is still there!

Ardra, you're probably thinking of Garantee RV in/near Gilroy, and you're right, they're no longer there.

BTW there are a number of small dealers in the east Bay and the Central Valley, but San Francisco wouldn't be a good base for visiting them, which was why I suggested Paul Google to see where they are. There's obviously nothing on the scale of Lazy Days or even Garantee RV in Junction City, Oregon.

Edit: Meant to add that, with us not being in the RV buying market  for some time, and with all the fallout that's occurred the last few years, I have no idea how many of those small dealers survived.
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« Reply #12 on: March 04, 2011, 08:19:19 PM »
Paul,

On the entry/re-entry/extend-stay issues, I'd suggest you look at these official pages on the US Citizenship and Immigration web site:

Visit the US.

Extend your stay (form I-539).

At the end of the day, the US authorities need to satisfy themselves that you don't intend to work here, and that you intend to return to the UK; Be prepared to provide some proof of this by having proof of your UK anchors (e.g. house and other ties). However, these won't guarantee your case will be made. Having personally stood in a queue at a US consulate in Canada, and having listened to a Brit pleading his case, offering a return airline ticket and being denied entry, I'd suggest you do your homework.
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« Reply #13 on: March 05, 2011, 04:13:08 AM »
are the Laws in Oregon and Washington similar in that Non residents can register an RV there.

Tom I m thinking of flying into Portland now... I have found Johnson RV dealers (www.johnsonrvsales.com/Contact/VisitUs)  they claim to have the largest selection of used RV's in Oregon.   Do you know anything about them?? do you think this would be a good idea?

Re: Re Entry... I guess the embassy staff at my interview are not aloud to recommend dipping into canada for a week or two to restart the clock. hence them stating  '6 mth max in any 12 mth period'  I didn't question it at the time as she was typing my answers to her questions into the computer and i didn't want to say anything that could hamper my return ofter going into canada.

I can not fly into Florida... So I am thinking either Seattle, Portland or Phoenix... purely based on what people have told me about state Laws.

I was talking to a man called Dom who operated AutoTourUsa... they are recommended by the Lonely planet as someone who will provide reliable honest used RV's for purchase and they took care of Registration and insurance... however he has just had to close his business down due to the difficult economy.
I have also been in touch with Rudi from Highway Camper... they sell you new(ish) RV's cheap with a $4000 buyback (Of course you have to sell it back to them)... looks ok... but nearly as expensive as renting I think... and I have to send all the money $21,000 45 days prior to arriving to a Swiss bank account.  I didnt fancy that bit!!

Any advice, contacts would be great

Thanks

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« Reply #14 on: March 05, 2011, 05:31:44 AM »
Paul,

On the Oregon registration question, here's some "official" reading for you at the Oregon DMV web site. For different states, you can Google 'DMV in (state)'. Unlike the DVLA in the UK, individual states have their own regulations, and I wouldn't assume any equivalency between different states.

Sorry, I don't know anything about Johnson RV sales, nor had I heard about them until I read your message. Not surprising really, because I've never shopped for an RV in Portland, but maybe one of our members is familiar with them.

The Better Business Bureau listing on the company gives them a good rating. I don't rely on the BBB for anything, but it's a data point when contemplating doing business with an unknown company.

I have/had no experience with AutoTourUsa, but their web site suggests they're (were?) a broker, and they don't appear to carry any inventory.

I'm also not familiar with Highway Camper, but the web site for the only company I could find with that name is on the east coast.

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You should run from that as fast as you can.

If you drive 100 miles south from Portland, Oregon there are (or were) several dealers in/around the area of Coburg and Junction City, and maybe a little further south in Eugene. The significance of these locations is that there are (or were) several RV manufacturers in the area. Guaranty RV is a large dealership in Junction City. You can Google for 'RV manufacturers dealers in (city/town name)' to find others.

In case we've not mentioned it previously, do yourself a favour and click the Library button above and visit a couple of sections: Buying an RV and Checklists. Do some reading, and at least print out a checklist or two and take them with you when you look at RVs.
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« Reply #15 on: March 05, 2011, 05:50:35 AM »
Another tool for you Paul: Go to the NADA Price Guides site and click on the RVs tab. You can use 97205 (for Portland) when it asks for a zip code, or 97401 for Eugene. For a given make/model/year combination, don't tick any of the options and click the Continue button at the bottom of the page to get the range of prices.

Don't be afraid to offer the low retail price for an RV you want to buy, and be prepared to walk away if the dealer won't work with you. This is very much a buyer's market, so you're in the driver's seat (no pun) as a buyer.

My standard piece of advice, which is all too often ignored by Brits flying in: Don't fall in love with the first (or second, third, nth) RV you see. Go window shopping (aka kicking the tyres) and don't be bullied into signing a sales contract until you've looked elsewhere and done some homework.
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« Reply #16 on: March 05, 2011, 08:47:00 AM »
Hello Tom and others,
Thank you so much for taking the time to answer our questions and helping us to your best ability!!
We really appreciate it!
We're going to spend some more time reading the different recommended sites and library articles.
I'm sure we'll be back soon with more questions!
Once again, thank you very much
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« Reply #17 on: March 05, 2011, 10:20:47 AM »
If you do end up in the Eugene OR area, several of us here can help you find independent mechanics/RV techs to check out your rig prior to purchase, places to stay, etc. I think someone posted a message not too long ago about a dealer other than Guaranty in Junction City, OR, but I can recall who it was.
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« Reply #18 on: March 05, 2011, 10:47:20 AM »
John, your message caused me to do a Google search, and I found this interesting list of dealers in Oregon. Looks like the page allows you to re-run the search for any state, or refine the search for different areas/cities within a state.

Methinks that Paul and Annie could work their way through the list, starting in portland and driving south.
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« Reply #19 on: March 05, 2011, 07:27:12 PM »
Very interesting site, Tom. I'm sure they can work through the list pretty readily. The "handbook" idea is kind of interesting, although lots of ads as I suppose we should expect. Just out of curiosity, to check out the informational items, I clicked on a few of them. For example, compact washer/dryers is represented by an article about a Splendide model, with illustrations, that all appears to be written by the manufacturer or the author is pretty good at imitating them. Still, could be helpful if taken with a grain of salt (or a shaker full, depending).
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« Reply #20 on: March 05, 2011, 09:09:38 PM »
I ignored the ads and everything but the lists of dealers. Thought it might be useful for Paul & Annie, especially since they're not familiar with where dealers might be located. Having dealer web site addresses linked is an added bonus. There are more dealers in Oregon and California than I remembered.
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« Reply #21 on: March 06, 2011, 05:05:49 AM »
Good luck with your trip  8)

As Tom has already said the NADA price guide is an invaluable tool in negotiating a deal.

I found the advice and support of this forum invaluable, without there help we wouldn't have felt confident in buying our motorhome.

The most important thing is have fun and remember there is no such thing as a stupid question - I've asked plenty , this forum has been there to answer all my questions  and helped me all the way.  ;D
 
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« Reply #22 on: March 06, 2011, 10:03:53 AM »
Thank you very much for the useful links and advise posted.

We've also read some of the posts started by other people. One of them was by an Aussie couple who were talking about going to Oregon. Ned made them aware that to register and insure a RV there you need to be a resident and provide proof of this instead of just an address... If that is the case then it wouldn't be a good idea for us to fly into Portland and start looking for a RV in Oregon.

We've been in touch with a man called Don who ran Auto Tour USA from Seattle. He has packed up his business but used to help foreign visitors purchase, licence and insure cars and RVs. He said Washington State is one of the few states which allows non-residents to register and insure a RV.

Would we be best to fly into Seattle and try to buy, register and insure our RV there?
Thanks for your help!
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« Reply #23 on: March 06, 2011, 10:14:09 AM »
We have several members who either live or previously lived in Washington, and maybe they'll jump in with some 'local knowledge'. Meanwhile, here's the WA Department of Licensing web site: http://www.dol.wa.gov/

Most of the other links, tools & advice apply.

You mentioned Phoenix in one of your messages. A number of our members either live or own a winter base in Arizona, and they'd be best to advise you on RV dealers there. Weather wise, you should be OK in May but, in case you decide to arrive later, be aware that it will start to get toasty. Here's the Phoenix climate: http://www.rssweather.com/climate/Arizona/Phoenix/

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Is this the same guy who said you had to send all your cash before arriving in the US and before seeing any RVs?
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« Reply #24 on: March 06, 2011, 11:11:25 AM »
Don from Auto Tour USA didn't want all the money up front in a Swiss bank account: He would find two samples and provide photos and information. The client then decides which one to have and sends half the money. The rest is handed over when you go to pick up the keys. He would have all paperwork etc sorted the day after arriving. He was recommended by the Lonely Planet. He has however, packed up but still offers to help with insurance by providing the number of the person he used to deal with.

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« Reply #25 on: March 06, 2011, 11:40:13 AM »
Thanks, just curious. I can't comment beyond saying that, when we bought our first vehicle here as non-immigrant visitors, we kept our money in our own bank accounts until we'd finished shopping and decided which one we'd buy and from whom.

Most of the advice you get here is from folks who are or were RVers &/or who have RV'd for many years. Many of us have met in person &/or have known each other online for some time, and have a good feel for the reliability of what each other posts. If one of us inadvertently posts erroneous information, others will jump in and correct it. Where appropriate, we'll direct you to an 'official' source. If we don't know the answer we'll say so &/or do some research before responding.

Some of us have personally navigated the somewhat rocky road of US immigration on many occasions over the years, as visitors (including from the UK), as residents, as citizens, and as sponsors of immigrants. But we'd still recommend reading information from the official source. Immigration laws do change, and world events do change the mood of border agents.

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« Reply #26 on: March 08, 2011, 05:29:22 PM »
Absent a really reliable, third-party, licensed and bonded escrow company, you take a big chance when you send money before getting hands-on with the coach, seeing the title and registration, etc.
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« Reply #27 on: March 10, 2011, 07:14:55 PM »
Paul & Annie,

Please be sure to keep us updated on your plans, your research, and your trip.

Apologies if I appeared "heavy handed" in my prior message, but I come from the "school of hard knocks", i.e. I've been around the block a few times. I've dealt with US immigration for 40 years, visited the US (from the UK) numerous times over the years, immigrated to the US in the 80's, and subsequently became a naturalized US citizen. I've sponsored several family members to become US citizens.

If you prefer to rely on this unknown entity called xxx, recommended by some unkown source xxxx, be my guest, but we can't comment on the individual, since he's unknown to us. Caveat emptor!

Good luck.
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« Reply #28 on: March 12, 2011, 03:40:05 PM »
Hi all,

The amount of useful information and helpful people on this forum has bee amazing when planning an RV trip in the states.

My wife and I are in the same boat, we are heading to states from Australia on April 28th, and are also looking to purchase a used RV to travel around in for 6 to 12 months.
The only difference to Paul and Annie is that my wife has her US passport and Social security number (Her father is American). She has not lived there and doesn't have residence or a permanent address. Not sure if this will make a difference with insurance or registration. (She doesn't have a US drivers license or history).
We are landing in LA, but I was planning of heading south or east to Arizona to purchase an RV (probably privately through Craigslist or alike.)

I have been researching the process of registering a vehicle and have even setup a mail forwarding address through USA2me that is based in Texas.
I figured I could use this for an address when registering  the RV. However on further reading, I'm thinking Texas might not be a good place as it seems there are some hoops to jump through to buy a car from out of state. (ie it must have insurance first, and a few other things).

The other option would be to "somehow" get across to Texas and buy an RV there, although I'm not sure if Texas is a good place to buy an RV.

Any advice on our current plan would be appreciated.

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« Reply #29 on: March 12, 2011, 08:38:26 PM »
The end of April is a good time to buy a RV in Arizona.  Most if not all of the winter snowbirds have departed for cooler climates, so dealers are looking at either holding on to their remaining stock until next winter or transporting it to another market.  In other words, you'll likely find some very good deals.

A few years back I was looking for a Class C and didn't find anything I really liked where I was living in San Francisco.  So on a whim I booked a flight to Phoenix, took the Metro phone book and a map and marked a trail from one RV dealership to the next.  Spent the better part of 2 days looking at what was available, then went back and bought the one I liked best.
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« Reply #30 on: March 13, 2011, 05:44:46 PM »
Hey Lou,

What are the rules about buying an RV in Arizona, then driving it out of state to register it? Or does this depend on the state you are going to?

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« Reply #31 on: March 13, 2011, 06:28:42 PM »
When you take an out of state delivery, the seller will drive the RV to the other state and that's where the actual purchase is made.  You are then responsible for for registering it in your intended state.  If it's a new RV, you will receive a Manufacturer's Certificate of Origin, or if used, a title, that you'll need for registration.  You don't drive the vehicle in AZ at the time of purchase or it's considered an AZ purchase.
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« Reply #32 on: March 13, 2011, 08:13:06 PM »
You need to consider your future plans.  If you're going to forever stay in a state that doesn't impose their own tax on the purchase, it might be beneficial to avoid paying sales tax to the selling state.  But if you're going to a state that imposes their own tax, most of them will credit any sales tax already paid to another state so there's no advantage to avoiding the initial hit.

In my case, I was living and working in CA.  So I just paid the AZ sales tax, and CA credited me that amount against their sales tax when I registered it there.

A couple of years later, I moved to WA state and changed the registration to there.  WA collects an excise tax on used RVs coming in from other states.  But they likewise gave me full credit for the sales tax I had already paid to AZ.

So it was a wash either way.  If I had gone through the motions and avoided paying the sales tax on the initial purchase, I still would have paid an equivalent amount further down the line to one of the other states.

AZ will issue a short term trip permit after you pay their sales tax, if you're taking the motorhome to another state.   Saves having to pay AZ a full year's registration fee if you're going to register it somewhere else.
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Might be that Arizona charges more than the destination state, though?
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« Reply #34 on: March 14, 2011, 03:49:08 PM »
We don't plan to stay in any particular state for very long, we will be traveling from state to state and even up to  canada. We just need to register and get plates in "a state", but I'm told most states need a permanent address to register, whilst others have even stricter rules such as needing a state drivers license..

I have a forwarding address setup in texas but if I can avoid having to travel there that would be good as we're landing in LA.

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« Reply #35 on: March 24, 2011, 04:55:08 PM »
Dear Tom and helpful others,

Thank you once again for all your useful posts and website links. You do not have to apologise at all, I think you are just trying to warn us and we are grateful for that!!
Sorry we haven't replied or been on the forum for a few weeks. We have been busy sorting things out regarding our house and have said goodbye to some friends and family already.

We have booked our flights and will fly to Seattle on the 12th April. We had to make a decision and although we are not sure this is the best state to buy and register we think we are able to register a RV there as non-residents. We have been keeping an eye on available class C RV's there (most of them seem to have gone over the last few days/week!).

We have decided more or less on our route which will take us to the desert asap. From Seattle we want to go down the west-coast and then into the desert to Yosemite and other national parks, then via a part of route 66 back to the west coast, then up to San Francisco and via part of the 'loneliest road' up to Yellow stone and then towards Chicago. We are hoping to go into Canada from there and then via Niagara Falls to the Appalachian mountains.

Our biggest worry, of course, is still spending our savings on a good RV, as we have no knowledge regarding engines, RV's etc. We have printed useful information from the forum and stuck this in a book to take with us. We can 'study' this info before we go 'hunting' to try and get a good deal and a good RV.... Are there any forum members who live in the Seattle area and would know where we could get a reliable opinion on a RV that we might consider buying? Or any mechanics we could contact?

Also, could anyone make any recommendations regarding insurance companies?
Once again, thank you so much for your help already and trying so hard to prevent us from making the wrong decisions!

Best wishes, Annie and Paul
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« Reply #36 on: March 24, 2011, 05:31:33 PM »
Phew! Thanks Annie and Paul, I was worried that we (I) might have chased you away.

Exciting times, although I understand what you've been going through getting ready to leave and saying your goodbyes.

Earlier today, I asked fellow Brit Mick to look in on this discussion. Mick and his wife Pat blazed the trail with the immigration form I-539 that supposedly allows you to extend your stay in the US without having to leave and re-enter the country. Hopefully, Mick will share his experience.

Be sure to check into The RV Forum regularly during your trip so that we can keep up to date with your progress and your travels. Also, you'll likely find that, if you plan to be close to any forum members, they'll likely offer to meet up with you and give you a warm welcome.
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« Reply #37 on: March 24, 2011, 08:37:38 PM »
Hi Paul and Annie, Phew what a long thread so far, rather than try and work out your plans let me tell you briefly what we did, the problem of course matters may have changed as we found  from those who advised us back in 2007.

Okay, back in Oct 2007 we also arrived in Florida with our B2, I had already booked a villa for 28 days and we had a hire car as part of our fly/drive only deal. I also had set up using a new account with HSBC in the UK an account also in Florida, this takes a month or two.

We stayed in North America exactly from Oct 2007 to Aug 2009 in this way.

USA from Oct 07 to Apr 08.    1st US visa

Canada Apr 08 to Aug 08

On 6th Aug 08 we flew back to the UK for 6 weeks for the birth of our first grand daughter.

16th Sept 08 returned to Canada.

8th Oct 08 crossed back into the USA.    2nd visa

April 09 was when our 2nd visa expired however we completed and posted our I-539 form along with $300 for a 6 month visa extension, this is completed and sent a month or two before the expiry of your current visa.

On the 27th April received letter from US Customs requesting further details for our application.

About one or two months before we flew home we received our extension to our visa that would have taken us up to October 2009.

Before our arrival in the USA I arranged.

Our address with a company in Kissimmee but you are using a relative I believe?

This company for our Montana LLC http://www.heggenlawoffice.com/  ask for Ron

This is the broker with whom we insured BOTH our RV & toad.  http://www.gardencityins.com/   ask for Keith the actual insurance company is Progressive.


Sorry if this is a bit 'All over the place' but I'm trying to type this at 02.15 in the morning.

My UK driving licence was okay for the insurance company.

We bought our 2005 RV as a private sale from a fellow Brit who owns a villa in Florida, but we bought the Jeep brand new from a Jeep main dealer in Orlando, if you do obtain a Montana LLC then your RV and car if you buy one will BOTH be registered as Montana vehicles and bear Montana number plates or 'tags' as our American cousins call them, these would be sent to you from Heggan Law if you use them.

If you intend to NOT pay import duty and tax when you ship back to the UK you must have owned the vehicle/s for 6 months and been out of the UK or EU for 12 months.

Paul this could take forever could you PM me with your land line phone number or better still do you use Skype? We are currently in Spain. A quick phone call will be far better than trying to second guess exactly what you need, okay?

If you are on Skype my user name is voyager1836

Hope to here from you soon.

Mick :)
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« Reply #38 on: March 25, 2011, 01:07:08 AM »
Thanks for jumping in Mick. I especially appreciated reading about the I-539 as I've had no personal experience with that process, although I was aware of it.

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« Reply #39 on: March 25, 2011, 02:20:23 AM »
Thanks for jumping in Mick. I especially appreciated reading about the I-539 as I've had no personal experience with that process, although I was aware of it.

I'm curious what additional details they needed &/or what it took to satisfy them and grant the extension.

Tom, I have asked 'Her in doors' ( you can explain that one if any one asks)  ;) if she recalls what 'extra' information was and neither of us can remember sorry, I do recall having to photo copy EVERY page even the blank ones of our passports and that was for four because during our stay we renewed our passports to the new biometric ones but our B2 visa's were in the old 'expired' ones and still are to this date.

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« Reply #40 on: March 25, 2011, 02:37:33 AM »
OK thanks Mick. If it comes to mind later, please let me know - for the next time this comes up. You folks blazed the trail on the I-539.

I never fail to be amazed at how many potential visitors think that, just because they have a B1 or B2 stamped in their passport, they can stay here for as long as they like. I'll occasionally run across someone who thinks they can do it under the visa waiver program which, of course, has a maximum stay of 3 months with no extension privileges.

Had an intense discussion with an immigration lawyer a few months ago. Since I was paying him by the hour, I was determined to maximize the info I received for my $$$. It's a story for around the campfire, but he brought me up to speed on some interesting stuff.

I'm off for my daily diet of The Archers.
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« Reply #41 on: March 25, 2011, 02:50:23 AM »
Tom, What really surprised us was after paying a small fortune and jumping through ALL the hoops the American Immigration asked ie having been interviewed the paper work we received along with the visas stated that having been granted a visa does NOT guarantee entry into the USA  :o

Mind you we have the first six seasons of the TV programme 24 ( 42 DVD discs) and having started watching through them for the second time I can understand why.

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« Reply #42 on: March 25, 2011, 09:36:50 AM »
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.... the visas stated that having been granted a visa does NOT guarantee entry into the USA

Aye, as I always warn folks, the final decisions on whether you're allowed in, and for how long, are up to the agent at the port of entry. But the visa stamp is a prerequisite, and the 6 months maximum is a hard limit. No big surprises for me, since many of the rules were in place when I was traveling between the UK and the US in the 70's. That was long before the 'T' word was commonplace.
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« Reply #43 on: March 29, 2011, 05:01:14 PM »

2 weeks to go!!! Ive even started to make films about the trip!!! 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qXTtU54IxUw

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LOL nice one.
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« Reply #45 on: March 30, 2011, 01:52:41 AM »
2 weeks to go!!! Ive even started to make films about the trip!!! 

Paul and Annie,  Wow shall keep my front seats reserved for when its released, brill.

Now we started and still keep a blog, here is its location    http://www.getjealous.com/mick1836

Now using Get Jealous costs £0.00 for first 100 photos added to the blog for a year,then  there are upgrade stages to, Premium 500 photos £15,Silver 1000 photos £25, Gold Unlimited £30 I am currently on Silver, my expiry date is 1oth June 2011 and renewal will cost me £25, but an upgrade will only cost me a £5 between renewal dates. You will see that as well as being able to add photographs, you can add movies.

I presume you will leave a lot of relatives and friends in the UK, well the advantage with a blog and in particular Get Jealous if you visit my opening page you will see in the left column you will see " Subscribe to our News" and under those words an empty  white box with "Enter your email adress:"above it, now if you do use this for a blog enter ALL your relatives and friends email addresses in that box and send them in and EVERY TIME you add or change anything to your blog an email is sent out to those relatives and friends, this saves you continually phoning home and folk's back home can see on the map exactly where you are.

Enough blog plugging, we also used Skype a lot to contact the UK in fact we used it a lot also in the States and Canada as most sites had good wi-fi.  Talking of Skype and my last but one message I still haven't received a PM or Skype contact invite so that we could chat rather than do all this blooming typing  :(

Hope the above helps and I here from you soon?

PS Just a thought, check out the RVf forum member UK-RV strangely enough  his name was PAUL and his wife was ANN-Marie they bought toured and shipped before we did, in fact we used a lot of information that Paul obtained and boy when it came to research Paul is your man, if you view his previous postings set several hours aside to read them.  :)

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..... his name was PAUL and his wife was ANN-Marie .... if you view his previous postings ...

Aye, Paul Chatwin (UK-RV) blazed the trail on a lot of stuff. One caveat - he also holds the record for the greatest number of oopsies, as in "wish I hadn't done that". We have a special award here for such occasions - known as the HFWPOH award (Hit Forehead With Palm Of Hand) - and Paul earned a few of them  ;D

Here's one of Paul's classic HFWPOH moments.
 
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« Reply #47 on: March 31, 2011, 10:04:53 AM »
Hi,
I am new to the forum as we are travelling to West Coast in June for 3 months on an esta visa(max 90 days), and plan on buying a used rv to tour in.

After reading numerous threads and posts, it has become apparent that I know next to nothing about the legal aspects of rv camping.

Like Comense' post, we will be buying in LA, then travelling through various states (arizona, nevada, idaho, washington oregon etc) and also hopefully in mexico and canada for a few days.
Do we need to have a permanent address to register the rv? Is insurance a legal requirement? and how would we get the rv smogged? taxed? etc.

Any solutions/responses are greatly appreciated.
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« Reply #48 on: March 31, 2011, 10:17:51 AM »
Hi Michael,

Just curious why you went the visa waiver (ESTA) route? It shouldn't affect what you plan to do, or the answers to your questions, but it does limit your options should you enjoy the trip so much that you'd like to stay longer.
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« Reply #49 on: March 31, 2011, 10:30:23 AM »
Due to job commitments, 3 months is the longest we can get away. and the esta was the cheapest visa for the 90 days.

It will be a budget trip and renting a newer rv would be much more expensive than buying(and selling again) an older rv (between 1985-1990) (cost around $5000) that will hopefully do the job.

We have seen a lot of RVs on Craigs list but some of them are not smogged ot taxed. Would you know of any other websites/dealers that sell around the LA area?


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« Reply #50 on: March 31, 2011, 11:02:12 AM »
Ah yes, ESTA does save a few quid (and time), and jobs do tend to get in the way of having fun.

Here's a list of RV dealers in Southern California. I can't speak for the accuracy of the list or the reputation of the dealers, but I see several well-known names that have dealerships in other places.

I'd think that, with the limited time, you might have some difficulty selling before you have to return home.
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« Reply #51 on: March 31, 2011, 11:07:20 AM »
Michael, What size RV would you be requiring or for how many persons?

Here is one company who rent RV's in the USA & Canada, not knowing your exact dates, number of berths required start / finish locations it was impossible for me to work out a rental price for you, but be prepared to hang onto your hat and don't forget to add to whatever figure you get add cost of fuel, camping fees, food, attraction admission fees.

http://www.cruiseamerica.com/

Your UK car driving licence will cover you to even the largest RV this company offers and no doubt insurance is included in the fee.

Hope this helps a little?

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« Reply #52 on: April 01, 2011, 06:35:47 AM »
Thanks for the speedy suggestions.

Mick, I had originally intended on renting for the 3 months (from mid june to mid sept) as it seems an easier option, but have realised its more feasible to buy and hopefully sell again.
The cruise america site was quoting $10 000 for the duration.
At least with an rv purchase, you may get some of the money back at the end.

I will take note of a few of those dealers you suggested Tom, thanks. And perhaps suggesting a buy back option to whoever we purchase from? what do you think?

We only need a 2 berth, and looking at rvs around 20" to 25".
Any advice on campsites in US?
Do you need to book in advance? Does it cost more for bigger RVs per night?


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« Reply #53 on: April 06, 2011, 12:17:22 PM »
Hello...

I have read the attached posts with interest as my husband and I arrive in LA in May for a 6-9 month trip around the National Parks of Western US and Alaska...if all goes well at the embassy - appointment booked...!!

We intend on buying a MH in the LA area (having seen a few on the internet that look pretty good), registering it at my brothers' address in LA, and possibly insuring it through www.sunriseworldwide.com - a company that specialises in insuring foreign nationals particularly those from the Services and diplomats (although we are neither!)...

We originally intended on bringing our MH over from the UK but the costs started to get very expensive so we decided to buy instead...

We understand that our B2 visa (if granted) will be for 6 months max and we plan to travel down into Central America when we have to leave the USA...or it may be that we apply for an extension depending on how our trip is going...

A couple of questions for any on the forum from the LA area -
We would like to get the MH we choose inspected by an independent mechanic - any recommendations?
I have read about selling a MH on commission...anyone have any comments on how good a system this is?  We thought at the end of the trip that we might put the MH on sale via a dealer on commission if we could not sell it straight away - that way we could leave to get back to the UK without having to flog the MH for a fraction of its value...will dealers do this for anyone?

Anyway - we are really looking forward to coming out...we have just spent a year driving around Europe and Morocco in our MH as part of our 2 year career break and are raring to get to the States...

Look forward to hearing from anyone with any advice..

Tara



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« Reply #54 on: September 26, 2011, 09:58:10 PM »
Hello all

Well who would have thought that time would have flew past so quick... and after a fantastic 7 mths driving around america our family road trip is now approaching the end and we are starting to look at the horrible prospect of having to part company with our RV and put it up for sale!!

It has been a fantastic experience and the Duck (RV) has done great.

If anyone is interested in a quality 25ft Class C RV with low miles then please feel free to contact us. We are currently in Lake Tahoe and heading north to Yellowstone before heading back to Seattle. We should be back around late September.

The RV details can be found on Craigslist:
http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/rvs/2615952148.html

There is also a lot more information on our website:
http://www.familyroadtrip.org/RoadTripUSA/The_Duck.html

Alternatively, feel free to email us directly at familyroadtrip@me.com

Thank you for everyone who has provided advice over the past year or so and helped in making our trip great.

Thanks Paul

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« Reply #55 on: September 26, 2011, 10:11:00 PM »
Glad to hear you had a good time Paul. Good luck with the sale of the RV. We have a Private for-sale area here on the forum, and you're welcome to post an ad there (free).
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