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WAL-MART DISCRIMINATION AGAINST RVers in HOMESTEAD FLORIDA
« on: April 08, 2011, 02:00:03 PM »
April 8, 2011 - Found out that the WAL-MART in HOMESTEAD. FLORIDA is NOT the area for RVs!!!  Drove into a Wal-Mart parking lot at 10:30am (the last one one the way to The Keys)  The security guard drove up and said,  (I QUOTE)....................."THESE TYPE vehicles have a 3hr parking limit, it's 10:30am now you have til 1:30pm then you have to leave"!! 

We had just pulled up did not even get 5 secs to put my shoes on to go into the store. 

WAL-MART discrimination against RVers!!!  WOW....and they wonder why they are being sued for discrimination!! 

I was not parked overnight!  I was going in to get items for my trip to the Keys since there is NO Wal-Mart in the Keys. 

So, I decided to stay for "MY" 3 hours and take some notes: 

In approx. 1.5 hrs 10 RVers pulled up - out of those 10 they took up (including me) 32 parking spaces.  Now the average RV/5th Wheel/etc.. has 2 or more people.  (BTW...everyone got the same visit, by the same guard, either before or after shopping at Wal-Mart!).  Each RVer had approx. 6-10 bags or more of groceries, etc... in that same time period 2 cars with boats pulled up - NO VISIT from the guard - and one of them did not even go into Wal-Mart - stayed for 45mins on cell phone - took up 3 parking spaces!  The other boat went in and came out with what looked like 1 small bag of chips!!  Then there were cars pulling into the parking lot 2 at a time hitching a ride in another car and leaving one car parked!! 

Before we left we travelled around the side of Wal-Mart as we had seen BUSES going back and forth...(there have a BUS stop on the side of Wal-Mart) - these BUSES park for 15-20 mins pick up people and drop them off....some of the folks I noticed were leaving their cars and getting on the buses...I am sure going into town for work, beach, etc...

I know we take up a lot of room in our RV's but I do not appreciate anyone putting a time limit on MY visit to the store!  I am young enough where I do not have health problems....I feel really bad for those RVers that are not as fortunate and take longer to get their items needed at the store...or even those of you that have small children that want walk slowly down EVERY toy isle in Wal-Mart!!

THE PARKING LOT WAS NOT FULL....NOT EVEN CLOSE....AND WAS A HUGE PARKING LOT!!

I will NOT be going to a Wal-Mart store anytime soon!!    >:(

SIDE NOTE....FYI........  The meaning for discrimination is:

Discrimination is the cognitive and sensory capacity or ability to see fine distinctions and perceive differences between objects, subjects, concepts and patterns, or possess exceptional development of the senses.




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Re: WAL-MART DISCRIMINATION AGAINST RVers in HOMESTEAD FLORIDA
« Reply #1 on: April 08, 2011, 02:11:45 PM »
Here's my take on it...I seriously doubt this was all WalMart's idea.  If you wanted to investigate further, check with the city/county.  I suspect you will find a "no overnight" regulation and I also suspect WalMart has turned their back on overnighters and someone(s) complained - in turn, officials probably threatened WalMart with legal action if they don't enforce the regulation.  As for discrimination...not very many folks arriving in something other than an RV are likely to stay overnight.  Profiling, probably.  Discrimination, I don't think so.
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Re: WAL-MART DISCRIMINATION AGAINST RVers in HOMESTEAD FLORIDA
« Reply #2 on: April 08, 2011, 02:16:42 PM »
I'm sure if you actually conduct a little research, you'll realize that this is not likely Wal-Mart's doing, but a city by-law. 

Wal-Mart corporation has no problems with RVers stopping over, but if the city says no... it's no.  Don't blame Wal-Mart.

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Re: WAL-MART DISCRIMINATION AGAINST RVers in HOMESTEAD FLORIDA
« Reply #3 on: April 08, 2011, 02:20:56 PM »
Even RVers that stay overnight in the wallyworld parking lot near me dont seem to get in the way. They are parked way out at the end of the parking lot.
And for those of you defending wallyworld, you may be right, but then again you may not be. There have been wallyworld stores that harass truckers also.
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Re: WAL-MART DISCRIMINATION AGAINST RVers in HOMESTEAD FLORIDA
« Reply #4 on: April 08, 2011, 02:26:31 PM »
I agree, not discrimination. It likely the same as the Walmart near my house that is right off the expressway. For the city to approve it Walmart had to make it a no overnight Walmart. Likely the city council for that Walmart put a 3 hr parking restriction on RVs. Since security visited every RV that stopped then they were doing a good job not discriminating as they applied the rule to all who qualified.

We've had security come talk to us in the middle of the day while parked at a Home Depot and working on our RV. We just reassured them that we weren't staying any longer than it took for us to install our surge protector and they were pleasant about it. I think since another RV had pulled up next to us they though we were all settling in.

The good news is that you can rest assured they aren't discriminating against you and you can continue to shop there.
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Re: WAL-MART DISCRIMINATION AGAINST RVers in HOMESTEAD FLORIDA
« Reply #5 on: April 08, 2011, 02:28:42 PM »
Even RVers that stay overnight in the wallyworld parking lot near me dont seem to get in the way. They are parked way out at the end of the parking lot.
And for those of you defending wallyworld, you may be right, but then again you may not be. There have been wallyworld stores that harass truckers also.

Let's see... RVers and truckers.. hmm... those 2 tend to stay over for a few hours to sleep, no?  If there is an issue with staying more than 'X' amount of hours, I'd expect to be advised about it right away instead of them waiting for me to possibly fall asleep before rapping on my door.

Someone pulling in towing a boat?  Hmm... not likely to be sleeping over for a few hours.

Has nothing to do with discrimination, nor is it likely anything to do with a local Wal-Mart's policy because it's well known that Wal-Mart corporate has no problem with it. 

Again... conduct a little research and you're likely to find that the city has a problem with the stopovers.

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Re: WAL-MART DISCRIMINATION AGAINST RVers in HOMESTEAD FLORIDA
« Reply #6 on: April 08, 2011, 02:33:41 PM »
Relax. I have had this happen to me in many Walmarts around the country. It is much better to have them tell you immediately rather than wake you up at midnight and tell you to move.

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Re: WAL-MART DISCRIMINATION AGAINST RVers in HOMESTEAD FLORIDA
« Reply #7 on: April 08, 2011, 02:37:56 PM »
Let's see... RVers and truckers.. hmm... those 2 tend to stay over for a few hours to sleep, no?  If there is an issue with staying more than 'X' amount of hours, I'd expect to be advised about it right away instead of them waiting for me to possibly fall asleep before rapping on my door.

Someone pulling in towing a boat?  Hmm... not likely to be sleeping over for a few hours.

Has nothing to do with discrimination, nor is it likely anything to do with a local Wal-Mart's policy because it's well known that Wal-Mart corporate has no problem with it. 

Again... conduct a little research and you're likely to find that the city has a problem with the stopovers.
Research. Hmm, Lets see.  There have been a couple wallyworlds where the STORE manager has decided to institute a no truck policy at their store. There were no local restrictions. It was all the STORE manager. You are correct that wallyworld corporaste has no problem with it. In fact corporate WELCOMES truckers and RVers, as you say. This was obvious to those of us responsible for complaining to Bentonville about these practices and getting these store policies stricken down.
So............ You may be right. There may be a local code restrictions, but you may be wrong, it could be a store manager on a power trip with his own agenda.
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Re: WAL-MART DISCRIMINATION AGAINST RVers in HOMESTEAD FLORIDA
« Reply #8 on: April 08, 2011, 02:44:27 PM »
It has nothing to do with the "store manager on a power trip". Many Walmart don't allow trucks because the parking lot is too small to handle them.

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Re: WAL-MART DISCRIMINATION AGAINST RVers in HOMESTEAD FLORIDA
« Reply #9 on: April 08, 2011, 02:45:32 PM »
Wow, a lot of to do about nothing...

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Re: WAL-MART DISCRIMINATION AGAINST RVers in HOMESTEAD FLORIDA
« Reply #10 on: April 08, 2011, 02:56:57 PM »
It has nothing to do with the "store manager on a power trip". Many Walmart don't allow trucks because the parking lot is too small to handle them.
That is correct sometimes. But you are wrong when you say it has nothing to do with a store manager on a power trip. Did you read my entire post? Or did you stop right there and decide to contradict me? Because you seem to have missed the part where I said I was involved in complaining to Bentonville to get these STORE MANAGER policies CHANGED.
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Re: WAL-MART DISCRIMINATION AGAINST RVers in HOMESTEAD FLORIDA
« Reply #11 on: April 08, 2011, 03:07:48 PM »
It may also have nothing to do with the city,, and everthing to do with whomever owns the property.>>>Dan
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Re: WAL-MART DISCRIMINATION AGAINST RVers in HOMESTEAD FLORIDA
« Reply #12 on: April 08, 2011, 03:11:47 PM »
There are many reasons that the Wal-Mart may be not allowing RV's to park for extended amounts of time - who knows.

Does it matter? There seems to be a feeling of "entitlement" here, like we have a right to park anywhere we want to. Personally I appreciate those WM's that let us park and don't worry about all the possible reasons for those that don't. I certainly do no feel I have a RIGHT to park on someones property.

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Re: WAL-MART DISCRIMINATION AGAINST RVers in HOMESTEAD FLORIDA
« Reply #13 on: April 08, 2011, 03:26:16 PM »
There are many reasons that the Wal-Mart may be not allowing RV's to park for extended amounts of time - who knows.

Does it matter? There seems to be a feeling of "entitlement" here, like we have a right to park anywhere we want to. Personally I appreciate those WM's that let us park and don't worry about all the possible reasons for those that don't. I certainly do no feel I have a RIGHT to park on someones property.

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I think if you are a customer you do have a right to park without being harassed. If it is a local code there will be signs posted prominently at the entrances and at spots in the property. Now if the store decides to extend the courtesy of having security inform people of the local code restrictions that is fine if it is done in a courteous manner. But there would be signs. And the OP never mentioned any signs. So we could deduce that since the OP never mentioned the signs, there were no signs, so there was no local code.
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Re: WAL-MART DISCRIMINATION AGAINST RVers in HOMESTEAD FLORIDA
« Reply #14 on: April 08, 2011, 03:31:23 PM »
That is why most stores have a sign that says "We Reserve the RIGHT to refuse service to anyone", no one has a RIGHT to be anyones customer against that stores/company's will.

But, go right on and be unhappy, demand your rights, and before long WM as a corporation will decide it just is not worth it to them to allow ANY RV's to park in their lots. They do not have to - at least in those cases where they own the lot.

I am out of this conversation, it is about to turn political which we are not supposed to do here...

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Re: WAL-MART DISCRIMINATION AGAINST RVers in HOMESTEAD FLORIDA
« Reply #15 on: April 08, 2011, 03:37:40 PM »
I'm with FrankNSharon on this one.  I'm glad for the WalMarts that allow parking overnight, and we use them quite a bit when between destinations, but it's private property, so if they don't want me there, I'm not arguing or feeling slighted about it.  I believe that landowner's have the right to make the rules for their own land, within the law.
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Re: WAL-MART DISCRIMINATION AGAINST RVers in HOMESTEAD FLORIDA
« Reply #16 on: April 08, 2011, 04:06:07 PM »
I also agree with FrankNSharon. Many Walmarts do let RVers spend the night, and you cannot name many other stores with big parking lots that do this. As far as signs go, just because there is a local code does not necessarily mean that law would be posted on signs in a parking lot (or every store with a parking lot in that juridiction would have to have them). Ever seen them in your supermarket parking lot? I appreciate the fact that where they can, Walmarts try and cater to RV's, and like other posters, would appreciate being made aware of the no over night policy up front. 
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Re: WAL-MART DISCRIMINATION AGAINST RVers in HOMESTEAD FLORIDA
« Reply #17 on: April 08, 2011, 04:08:36 PM »
I wouldn't have a problem with a 3 hour time limit if I was parked there to do some shopping. 

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Re: WAL-MART DISCRIMINATION AGAINST RVers in HOMESTEAD FLORIDA
« Reply #18 on: April 08, 2011, 05:05:39 PM »
Think I remember your post stating '....Last before the keys....' or something close to that.  I would not get down on the Manager, nor Walmart in general.  They most likely have a ton of trouble at certain times of the year with no parking available because of all the RV's jamming the parking lot.  Only our experience... but Walmart in the majority of their stores is very liberal on RV parking, we have never been personally asked to leave in countless stops over-night.  Frankly this kind of sounds like screaming at a free soup kitchen Manager because they did not have the certain bread that is a favourite......
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Re: WAL-MART DISCRIMINATION AGAINST RVers in HOMESTEAD FLORIDA
« Reply #19 on: April 08, 2011, 07:40:14 PM »
I believe that Florida City enacted an ordinance against RV parking in the Florida City Walmart. I have heard there were many complaints there due to people camping there day and night. I live north of there but pass there somewhat infrequent but used to see a lot of campers there but now it is sparse. I just attributed it to the snowbirds leaving but then heard from my daughter who manages a store at the outlet Mall that Florida City changed their policies.
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Re: WAL-MART DISCRIMINATION AGAINST RVers in HOMESTEAD FLORIDA
« Reply #20 on: April 08, 2011, 08:34:07 PM »
There seems to be a feeling of "entitlement" here

Many retailers will attest to a pervasive notion of some customers that the retailer "owes" the customer something because the customer spent some money. I think the retailer owes us nothing. I think we as customers should "expect" value and customer service for our patronage and express our lack of satisfaction by going somewhere else with our business (i.e. the Flying J controversy) when that  expectation of value and service does not occur.

We have not had the occasion to use a Wal Mart during our travels, but will appreciate them when we need them and find them willing, and still shop there when they cannot offer us free overnight accommodations. I don't expect them to be a free place to stay, so I am never disappointed.
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Re: WAL-MART DISCRIMINATION AGAINST RVers in HOMESTEAD FLORIDA
« Reply #21 on: April 09, 2011, 12:36:46 AM »
This is my "hometown" walmart and u have to visit it to fully understand the the original posters frustration. I dont think the complaint was about the overnight stay but more about being treated rudely. It  takes close to an hour to get through chec kout

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Re: WAL-MART DISCRIMINATION AGAINST RVers in HOMESTEAD FLORIDA
« Reply #22 on: April 09, 2011, 07:00:00 AM »
The Walmart in Florida City is reported to be the busiest Walmart in the US. They no longer have room for storage of goods, the City has cited the Walmart several times for CONEX Containers being used for storage, their parking lot is generally full to overflowing and they are definitely running out of space. That being said, I can appreciate the frustrations of many but Walmart does not make local laws, they only comply. Walmart in Florida City is presently in the process of trying to find a larger tract of land to put a new store and alleviate some of the problems at the Florida City store. I live here and have seen the abuses of the RV community in this Walmart. I try to avoid Walmart here altogether or get up at 5am if I need something from Walmart. I realize that this area is a popular destination during the winter months and during the NASCAR races. Our streets become overly crowded in some cases by drivers sightseeing where we live and work here. We try to be tolerant but remember courtesy is a 2 way street.

That being said, I believe that several have reiterated that no one has the right to park on someone elses property. I personally like the full hook-ups but have spent a night in Walmart. I do have a problem when I do on occaision have to go to Walmart and there are no parking places but there is a RV parked so as to take up 8 parking places.  Remember it is up to us to police our RV community. If we don't you will see these extended courtesies disappear and more and more laws enacted banning RV's. It is your call!
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Re: WAL-MART DISCRIMINATION AGAINST RVers in HOMESTEAD FLORIDA
« Reply #23 on: April 09, 2011, 07:10:32 AM »
The courteous thing to do is call 1-800-walmart. Put in the zip code of the store you wish to use. That will give you the phone number of the store. Call the Manager and ask if it is OK to park overnight. If not, move on. That way you will not be surprised by a visit from security telling you to move. The zip codes are all listed in walmart's road atlas.
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Re: WAL-MART DISCRIMINATION AGAINST RVers in HOMESTEAD FLORIDA
« Reply #24 on: April 09, 2011, 12:13:04 PM »
As I recall, Miami-Dade County has an ordinance that prohibits inhabited overnight RV parking any place other than a recognized campground. That would certainly include Homestead and Florida City.
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Re: WAL-MART DISCRIMINATION AGAINST RVers in HOMESTEAD FLORIDA
« Reply #25 on: April 10, 2011, 07:44:58 AM »
From time to time I too read a rant against Wal-Mart for parking/camping overnight issues.
I remember that Wal-Mart is in the retail business and not in the Campground business. It is fortunate for RVers that Wal-mart has a a company policy that allows RV's to park and camp on their property. It is not required.
I have often thought that anyone who rants about Wal-Mart parking/camping problems, in order to be fair, should never complain if some stranger drives onto their personal property and camps over night.
Perhaps we should all recongnise that it is the right of any property owner to manage the owned property the way necessary.

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Re: WAL-MART DISCRIMINATION AGAINST RVers in HOMESTEAD FLORIDA
« Reply #26 on: April 10, 2011, 12:46:11 PM »
Perhaps we should all recongnise that it is the right of any property owner to manage the owned property the way necessary.

This thread is evidence that the large majority of us DO realize that.  It only takes a few entitled folks to make a stink and ruin it though.  The OP posted this rant to other online RV groups recently as well (with those threads I've reviewed looking quite similar to this one), and unfortunately has not returned here to give any feedback or response to our various comments.
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Re: WAL-MART DISCRIMINATION AGAINST RVers in HOMESTEAD FLORIDA
« Reply #27 on: April 10, 2011, 03:09:02 PM »
This thread is evidence that the large majority of us DO realize that.  It only takes a few entitled folks to make a stink and ruin it though.  The OP posted this rant to other online RV groups recently as well (with those threads I've reviewed looking quite similar to this one), and unfortunately has not returned here to give any feedback or response to our various comments.
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« Reply #28 on: April 10, 2011, 06:25:11 PM »
BTW, the OP refered to Parking Lot #2 with people parking their cars and getting on the busses. I would like to remind the OP that the so called Parking Lot#2 is a County owned Park and Ride Lot which does not belong to Walmart but to Miami-Dade County for the use of bus riders.
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Re: WAL-MART DISCRIMINATION AGAINST RVers in HOMESTEAD FLORIDA
« Reply #29 on: April 10, 2011, 07:03:03 PM »
I've never understood why some people always blame Wal-Mart for the overnight parking regulations.

There are some locations where Wal-Mart doesn't own the land so they have to comply with the land owners regulations.

Other locations Wal-Mart has to comply with city or county ordinances. They don't have a choice whether to allow overnight parking or not.

I think that if it were left up to Wal-Mart you could park overnight at all their locations.
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Re: WAL-MART DISCRIMINATION AGAINST RVers in HOMESTEAD FLORIDA
« Reply #30 on: April 10, 2011, 07:26:55 PM »
This clown has posted his crap over many B&Bs, a typical hit and run to slander Wall/Mart. The guy needs a flat tire.>>>Dan
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Re: WAL-MART DISCRIMINATION AGAINST RVers in HOMESTEAD FLORIDA
« Reply #31 on: April 10, 2011, 08:12:27 PM »
Limiting the time an RV can park is not discrimination.

I think it's a reasonable policy at that store.  It allows one to shop, catch a nap, and be on one's way.  Works for me.

It's obviously not a chain wide policy, we all know that. 
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Re: WAL-MART DISCRIMINATION AGAINST RVers in HOMESTEAD FLORIDA
« Reply #32 on: April 11, 2011, 06:47:16 AM »
Lost my internet in the Keys so could NOT post a response!  Not sure I want to even try to repsond to all.....however I will say you all MISSED my point!  I was going to shop.....NOT overnight!  NEXT time I will look up all CITY codes, ALLSTAYS, and contact City Attorneys to see where I can get my shopping done!!

By the Way....the Winn Dixie does allow shopping with NO parking limits AND their parking lot is a lot smaller....for those of you that really DO use these places to shop!!!!!!!

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« Reply #33 on: April 11, 2011, 08:08:53 AM »
however I will say you all MISSED my point!  I was going to shop.....NOT overnight!

I think the issue is that the lot security had no idea what your intentions were, and I'm guessing their procedure is to approach various RV's pulling in and inform the drivers of the 3 hour rule.  They probably don't have the time or manpower to talk to every driver of every RV, and hit up certain ones as they arrive.  In this case, it happened to be you.  3 hours is more than enough time for the large majority of people to finish any grocery shopping they had planned.

NEXT time I will look up all CITY codes, ALLSTAYS, and contact City Attorneys to see where I can get my shopping done!!

Probably easier just to call ahead and check with the store first, where you plan on stopping.
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Re: WAL-MART DISCRIMINATION AGAINST RVers in HOMESTEAD FLORIDA
« Reply #34 on: April 11, 2011, 08:22:27 AM »
Three hours is enough time for most folks to shop, so I don't see the issue. Telling you when you arrived about the time limit is a nice thing to do rather than to wait until you're sleeping and be banging on your door. Perhaps the rule has been established at that location because there have been crime incidents against RV'rs, as there was an attentive security force there. Many Walmarts don't have that.

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Lost my internet in the Keys so could NOT post a response!  Not sure I want to even try to repsond to all.....however I will say you all MISSED my point!  I was going to shop.....NOT overnight! 

Not all - My post said that I wouldn't have a problem with the 3 hours time frame.
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« Reply #36 on: April 11, 2011, 08:53:26 PM »
Lost my internet in the Keys so could NOT post a response!  Not sure I want to even try to repsond to all.....however I will say you all MISSED my point!  I was going to shop.....NOT overnight!  NEXT time I will look up all CITY codes, ALLSTAYS, and contact City Attorneys to see where I can get my shopping done!!

By the Way....the Winn Dixie does allow shopping with NO parking limits AND their parking lot is a lot smaller....for those of you that really DO use these places to shop!!!!!!!
It seems like your real complaint is not with the store or the three hour rule, which is entirely reasonable for a location that attracts many RV'ers hoping to stay overnight, but simply with a security guard that apparently flunked Public Relations 101. I don't think it justifies bashing the store across multiple groups just because one minimum wage rent-a-cop irritated you.
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« Reply #38 on: April 13, 2011, 08:40:07 PM »
I have been to this Wal-Mart during Nascar race weekend and it usually has allot of RVer's who appeared to be overnighting so either the rules changed in the last couple of races OR Lot #2 is in fact a city lot for the bus park and ride and it is managed by the county and the security guard doesn't even work for Wal-mart.  The latter is my suspicion.  It is also possible that the guard is there for security reasons as well, I have only been there during Nascar race weekends and did encounter some issues where I was not in my feeling safe and secure, there were questionables in the area that I don't think were shopping, maybe this was an issue only during race weekend and not the usual daily thing..  Just my opinion.
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« Reply #39 on: April 13, 2011, 08:48:14 PM »
The rules have changed. I drove through the parking lot today and seen thye signs forbiding overnight parking. In the past they allowed overnight parking and the lunpaved grassy area just north of Walmart had in the past been used also for overnight parking which now has the same signage and is fenced/chained off.
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« Reply #40 on: May 28, 2011, 02:14:45 PM »
Can anyone confirm?  I've heard WM allows overnight RV parking (provided local laws don't prohibit, or there isn't some special-case like FL City seems to be).  Is this an actual policy, or an unwritten "mostly dependable" policy?  We've just starting our and hope to stay at WMs between destinations where there are no state/ fed parks nearby.  Nothing against KOAs/ Sam Goody's, but they are getting as spendy as motels...

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« Reply #41 on: May 28, 2011, 03:26:10 PM »
We have a large lot at our repair shop and used to let trucks park overnight along with campers. We have never had any major problems until recently. We have had several people clean out their garbage and toss it on the ground. One trucker left a trailer here for 2 weeks!  We had a couple who let their dog potty and not clean up the mess right in front of our main door. So as the story goes a few bad apples spoil the whole bushel.
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« Reply #42 on: May 28, 2011, 04:21:35 PM »
Can anyone confirm?  I've heard WM allows overnight RV parking (provided local laws don't prohibit, or there isn't some special-case like FL City seems to be).  Is this an actual policy, or an unwritten "mostly dependable" policy?  We've just starting our and hope to stay at WMs between destinations where there are no state/ fed parks nearby.  Nothing against KOAs/ Sam Goody's, but they are getting as spendy as motels...

"Q Can I park my RV at a Walmart store?"

"A While we do not offer electrical service or accommodations typically necessary for RV customers, Walmart values RV travelers and considers them among our best customers. Consequently, we do permit RV parking on our store lots as we are able. Permission to park is extended by individual store managers, based on availability of parking space and local laws. Please contact management in each store to ensure accommodations before parking your RV."

http://walmartstores.com/317.aspx#Park_RV

Only about 15% of the nearly 4,000 Walmart stores do not allow overnight RV parking, usually due to local ordinances, zoning requirements, or parking lot ownership issues. A very few disallow it due to a local store management decision, usually due to a small or oddly shaped parking lot.
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« Reply #43 on: May 28, 2011, 04:50:22 PM »
It's a policy, as outlined by NY Dutch. Individual store managers implement the policy as they see fit for their locality. There are various websites that try to list which Walmarts & Sams allow parking, and there is an excellent (but not free) directory of free overnight parking locations at Overnight RV  Parking
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« Reply #44 on: July 22, 2011, 05:17:06 PM »
I've never understood why some people always blame Wal-Mart for the overnight parking regulations.

There are some locations where Wal-Mart doesn't own the land so they have to comply with the land owners regulations.

Other locations Wal-Mart has to comply with city or county ordinances. They don't have a choice whether to allow overnight parking or not.

I think that if it were left up to Wal-Mart you could park overnight at all their locations.

Exactly right.  Walmart's corporate policy is that they allow Overnight RV Parking "where we are able." There are very few Walmarts where a Store Policy of "No Overnight RV Parking" has been set by the manager when it isn't required by local laws or the property owner from whom Walmart leases the building and/or the parking lot.

In those few cases, the store manager has made the decision based on RVer behavior, from parking overnight without store permission (required by corporate policy), to parking too close to the building, to staying more than one night, to setting up a campsite (BBQ, lawn chairs, etc), to dumping waste tanks in the storm drains.

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« Reply #46 on: July 22, 2011, 06:52:38 PM »
It may also have nothing to do with the city,, and everthing to do with whomever owns the property.>>>Dan
Exactly the case here in the Binghamton, NY area. The PROPERTY OWNER made it illegal to park in the lot by placing signs at every entrance. The reason is because the lot in Vestal was built on a swamp and it is sinking.
It was decided (right or wrong) that heavy vehicles would not be allowed to overnight.

In the Poconos, there are town and county regulations restricting such accommodations because of the race track. There are a few spots between the towns that get used, but it isn't safe to conclude that you are OK to sleep and just might get a knock on the door at 3am from the gentlemen with the flashing lights on their cars. I can tell you first hand they have no compassion or humor in the matter.

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« Reply #47 on: August 18, 2011, 06:44:11 PM »
WalMart are for shopping,Campgrounds are for camping!!

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« Reply #48 on: August 18, 2011, 08:56:52 PM »
WalMart are for shopping,Campgrounds are for camping!!

Staying for one nite only at Walmart is not camping.
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« Reply #49 on: August 18, 2011, 09:39:38 PM »
I have often spent more than 3 hours in Walmart. Between grocery shopping, clothes shopping, camping supplies, eating and automotive wares one can spend that amount of time in the store.
The original poster arrived at 10:30AM which is a little early to get off the superslab in my estimation so it would seem that he was there to shop.
I don't think I would be very happy to have a "time frame" placed on me either if I'm going to spend money in their store.
And to the poster who reminded us that Walmart isn't camping I would like to say that I don't camp, I RV.


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« Reply #50 on: September 02, 2011, 11:39:14 AM »
It seems like your real complaint is not with the store or the three hour rule, which is entirely reasonable for a location that attracts many RV'ers hoping to stay overnight, but simply with a security guard that apparently flunked Public Relations 101. I don't think it justifies bashing the store across multiple groups just because one minimum wage rent-a-cop irritated you.

I believe you may be right, but it is more than just one security guard at the particular Walmart in question.  We stopped at this same location to do some shopping back in June on our way down to the Keys as well.  DW went in to get sundry items, and in the time that she was in the store we were pestered by two different security guards multiple times.  They kept coming by and knocking on our door just to ensure that we weren't sleeping.  Honestly I was hoping to take a nap while DW shopped, but that plan was successfully foiled by their tactics.  We were there for about 45 minutes and in that time I had to answer the door and talk to the guards 5 different times to explain that we were NOT staying overnight.

My experience was that both of the guards did come across as rude, but perhaps that is because they have become accustomed to dealing with pushy, sleepy, grouchy people who feel put-out at not being able to boondock at Wal-mart like they are accustomed to doing in other places.  Perhaps the language barrier made the situation worse (neither of them was a native English-speaker, and though I know a little bit of Spanish I could not even tell what the native tongue of one of them was.)  In any case, I did call the manager of this Wal-mart to let him know that the security guards need a bit more PR training.

I would hesitate to call it RV discrimination, but I think there could be a more functional solution to their problem if RV-ers are causing congestion in their parking lot.  Having the goons harass a substantial portion of their customers is just bad for PR.  Perhaps they could give their security guards photocopied pages with information on where RV-ers could park in the area.  It would get the point across, and be helpful at the same time.

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« Reply #51 on: September 02, 2011, 05:31:49 PM »
Many city ordinances against RV's in parking lots are initiated by the RV park owners group. They lobby the city that they are losing $$$$$ of revenue because of all the RV's parking overnight in lots. And I suppose from their perspective, they are kind of right. We just don't like it very much.
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« Reply #52 on: September 02, 2011, 08:15:42 PM »
Many city ordinances against RV's in parking lots are initiated by the RV park owners group. They lobby the city that they are losing $$$$$ of revenue because of all the RV's parking overnight in lots. And I suppose from their perspective, they are kind of right. We just don't like it very much.

They're really not losing money because the folks who stay overnight in WM parking lots are not going to stay in campgrounds. They'll just go on to the next town where they CAN park in the WM parking lot. Since they don't stay in the city with the ordinance, they don't spend $$ at WM or restaurants or anywhere else in the city and the city loses improtant tax money.
 
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« Reply #53 on: September 02, 2011, 08:50:19 PM »
First, the title of this post is wrong...There is not a Walmart in Homestead, it is in Florida City. Fla City enacted an ordinance in regards to RV parking which Walmart as well as the local police have been tasked to enforce. It is not Walmart's policy. Yes we have a big problem with minimum wage employees in this area not being able to speak English properly. Like the old saying, you get what you pay for. I have spent the night in Walmarts' several times when I could not find a campground having driven later in the day than when I normally stop. I appreciate the hospitality when it is allowed.

This area being mostly farming during winter months attracts a lot of people because of our weather. With  the NASCAR Track nearby, we get lots of tourism in Nov along with our normal influx of "Snowbirds" causing a very crowded period of time around the race. In the past, RV's were taking up a lot of the parking area along with RV's even encroaching on private property. Even during the daytime, you would see RV's with their awnings out and their lawn chairs doing their camping thing. It was not surprising that Florida City enacted the law as RVers had gotten out of hand in their eyes. I do not go to the Florida City Walmart unless the DW drags me (kicking and screaming)  there. It is the busiest Walmart in the US. When I do go there, it is early like 6am in the morning. Even the staff in this Walmart are rude. I really enjoy going to Walmarts in other parts of the country when we are traveling.

BTW, there are 2 RV parks within a mile of this store. One of the RV parks is owned and operated by the city of Florida City which may explain the ordinance.
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Re: WAL-MART DISCRIMINATION AGAINST RVers in HOMESTEAD FLORIDA
« Reply #54 on: September 02, 2011, 11:14:12 PM »
First, the title of this post is wrong...There is not a Walmart in Homestead, it is in Florida City.
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BTW, there are 2 RV parks within a mile of this store. One of the RV parks is owned and operated by the city of Florida City which may explain the ordinance.
Yes, that is the one I was referring to as well; Florida City, not Homestead.  And that may indeed explain the ordinance, although I expect most touristy areas are more likely to have the same ordinances.  The Walmart in Kissimee (near Disneyworld) has the same policy, although I don't know if it is a city ordinance there or not.

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« Reply #55 on: November 28, 2011, 08:46:57 AM »
Who else watched 60 Minutes last night?
The answer was there. They did an article about the homeless families in FL, living out of cars or trucks or whatever they could find. There are more homeless families there than anywhere in the US, by a large margin. I'm sure Walmart's response was based on problems that they have with folks who really have nowhere else to go.
One family was a dad, his 15 year old daughter and 12 year old son, living in a 1 ton delivery he had converted. He was  carpenter by trade.
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She was beyond charming, a wonderful young lady in a tough situation.
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« Reply #56 on: November 28, 2011, 10:08:49 AM »
SkyKing1 is on the mark...I didn't see that show but do know of several people who would, & might be considered, homeless except for their RV. I've seen on another forum posters who routinely relocate every 3 days to avoid breaking the city parking ordinance. That sometimes gives me pause to remember just how lucky I am. If I lost my pension or if SS takes a dump what little savings I have wouldn't save my old...self...owning a RV would be a real lifesaver. The fact that I can sleep knowing it is paid for is a blessing.
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« Reply #57 on: November 28, 2011, 07:56:40 PM »
We who are still working or comfortably retired are very fortunate and the homeless nowadays are not quite like the homeless in the past and it is very sad for sure.
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« Reply #58 on: November 29, 2011, 05:27:24 AM »
If Walmart allowed overnight parking at the last Walmart before the keys, then the parking lot would become a literal stopping point for RV's heading into or out of the keys. I have been there, and it was busy at that time.
We pulled in and I saw the security guard going from RV to RV, so we left. Being as late as it was, we headed into the Everglades, and spent the night in the empty visitor center parking lot. Being as late as it was, we figured if we got more than 3 hours sleep we were better off. I do know that several times a car pulled through the parking lot (security I hope), but we were left undisturbed and got ourselves up early. I think maybe the license plates from a state 1400-1500 miles away might have helped.
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« Reply #59 on: March 11, 2012, 10:13:53 AM »
It seems like your real complaint is not with the store or the three hour rule, which is entirely reasonable for a location that attracts many RV'ers hoping to stay overnight, but simply with a security guard that apparently flunked Public Relations 101. I don't think it justifies bashing the store across multiple groups just because one minimum wage rent-a-cop irritated you.

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I am not a fan of WalMart but I see that many stores let RVs park for free and I think that is great of them, but if the stores limits parking, just shop somewhere else.

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« Reply #60 on: March 11, 2012, 07:12:10 PM »
I will repeat, this was not Wal Mart's policy, the store being referenced is in Florida City and therefore comes under Florida City law which does not allow overnight parking outside of a RV park any where in the city. I hope that clarifies the situation. BTW Florida City council enacted the ordinance because of RVers making the Florida City Wal Mart a campground. At times, especially when there was a NASCAR race and during the peak tourist months, regular customers of that Wal Mart were having a problem finding parking spaces. RVers spilled out of the Wal Mart parking area into adjacent private properties setting up camp like they owned the place. Most RVers I meet are very nice people who respect others rights and property but, when RVers pull into a parking lot and put out slides, letting jacks down and the awning out, it doesn't surprise me that cities react.
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« Reply #61 on: March 22, 2012, 05:26:26 AM »
This is my "hometown" walmart and u have to visit it to fully understand the the original posters frustration. I dont think the complaint was about the overnight stay but more about being treated rudely. It  takes close to an hour to get through chec kout

I am not American. I am buying RV in us in May. Do I understand this properly?

I am not allowed to park in this store if I am planning to stock for holiday and need to do large shopping which takes me more than 3 hours? This is not logical to me. Don't us retail outlets need the customers to spent money there?

I am not talking about staying there over night, just to shop, have a lunch or coffee and not to be forced rush my shopping.
This 3 hours policy for shoppers can't be real. Or is it? When we do our weekly shopping in our mega stores here in Australia, we usually take about 5 hours to do this in comfortable speed. When all shopping is done we have lunch in food hall and rest for 40 minutes before we drive away.

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« Reply #62 on: March 22, 2012, 06:00:16 AM »
Looks like I would have to rush things in US supermarkets.
It's not all stores that are like that.  I believe the 3 hour limit is more the exception than the rule.
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I can't imagine needing to spend more than 3 hours shopping at WalMart  ???
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« Reply #64 on: March 22, 2012, 06:53:24 AM »
I can't imagine needing to spend more than 3 hours shopping at WalMart  ???
I don't discriminate, I can't see me spend 3 hours in any store, unless they sell beer and have free sampling.
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« Reply #65 on: March 22, 2012, 07:42:39 AM »
I don't discriminate, I can't see me spend 3 hours in any store, unless they sell beer and have free sampling.

When you find that store Marc, please post location
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« Reply #66 on: March 22, 2012, 08:23:47 AM »
I am not allowed to park in this store if I am planning to stock for holiday and need to do large shopping which takes me more than 3 hours? This is not logical to me. Don't us retail outlets need the customers to spent money there?

They do need us to spend money there, but not 3+ hours.  That's probably a cutoff time they chose, because most people staying longer than that might be trying to use the Walmart lot as a campground.  Most people (in America anyway) don't shop for that long anyway.  Even my major grocery shopping (okay, my wife does it but still) takes no longer than 2 hours at 2 different stores.  And that's for 10-14 days of groceries at home.

And keep in mind as mentioned, this 3-hour rule only appears to be the policy at this particular Florida Wal-mart store.  Most stores not in the middle of tourist areas probably do not have any time limitations.
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« Reply #67 on: March 22, 2012, 08:57:37 AM »
Note it is generally NOT Wal-Mart but the city, county or state that makes the "No long term parking" rules.

Wal-Mart is very happy to have you shop there. And to do that  you must park there.

If your shopping trip takes more than 2 hours, Move to the other side of the lot and keep on shopping.
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Re: WAL-MART DISCRIMINATION AGAINST RVers in HOMESTEAD FLORIDA
« Reply #68 on: March 22, 2012, 09:03:05 AM »

I am not allowed to park in this store if I am planning to stock for holiday and need to do large shopping which takes me more than 3 hours? This is not logical to me. Don't us retail outlets need the customers to spent money there?

Fear not Jan, that Walmart is not typical. In my nine years of full timing I have spent the night in hundreds of different Walmarts. Only a handful of times was I asked to leave, but that was before I subscribed to overnightrvparking.com. Since I can now afford RV parks I will not have to sleep at a Walmart again, but I still shop there. Every once and a while I get approached by Walmart security when I enter the lot to go shopping. They tell me I can't spend the night and I tell them I am just there to shop and that satisfies them.
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Re: WAL-MART DISCRIMINATION AGAINST RVers in HOMESTEAD FLORIDA
« Reply #69 on: March 22, 2012, 01:13:13 PM »
I can't imagine needing to spend more than 3 hours shopping at WalMart  ???

Boy! Tom, You sure are a dreamer, it takes my wife three hours just to visit with all the employees that she knows at our local Wal-Mart. [She used to work there for 15 years.] If you want to see a full day, here is our Tuesday schedule. Sam's Club 2-3 hours, Wal-Mart 3-4 hours, Gander Mountain [My Candy store!] 3-4 hours. Books A Million 1-2 hours, Cloth World or any convenient Craft Store 1-2 hours. Gander Mountain is close to Wal-Mart, so I go there, and wife picks me up when she finishes Wal-Mart. also during the day it is a trip to either Red Lobster, Corino's, Olive Garden, or else Out Back. After that it is return to the Bird and unload and I nap while wife puts things where [She wants them.]

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Re: WAL-MART DISCRIMINATION AGAINST RVers in HOMESTEAD FLORIDA
« Reply #70 on: March 22, 2012, 03:47:05 PM »
LOL Lee. My wife is a super-fast shopper; She knows exactly what she wants and usually knows where to find it. I hate shopping, and used to find an excuse not to go. Nowadays, Chris no longer asks if I'm coming to the store. OTOH if it's a fishing tackle store, especially if they have good fly fishing gear, Chris won't come with me because she knows I'll be there for a long time  ;D
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Re: WAL-MART DISCRIMINATION AGAINST RVers in HOMESTEAD FLORIDA
« Reply #71 on: March 22, 2012, 04:50:29 PM »
I would like to see all Wallmarts, Flying J'S ect stop overnight camping.  There are thousand of campgrounds in the USA use them.  What's next, free electric hook ups?  Wash in the Burger King?  Campgrounds are for camping, and they are at all price levels.  They rely on us to keep in business. I can guarantee Wallmarts will not go out of business if you don't shop there. Yon can take that to the bank....


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Re: WAL-MART DISCRIMINATION AGAINST RVers in HOMESTEAD FLORIDA
« Reply #72 on: March 22, 2012, 05:42:05 PM »
I would like to see all Wallmarts, Flying J'S ect stop overnight camping.  There are thousand of campgrounds in the USA use them.  What's next, free electric hook ups?  Wash in the Burger King?  Campgrounds are for camping, and they are at all price levels.  They rely on us to keep in business. I can guarantee Wallmarts will not go out of business if you don't shop there. Yon can take that to the bank....


I can't wait to see what this starts....


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To each his own, and while I prefer to use a campground, there are circumstances that require any port in a storm. A good example was on one trip, the next campground was 20 miles down the road, and when we got there, they were full, with no overflow parking. We stopped a State Trooper, and asked him where the next one was, and were informed another 40 miles, and he recommended we stop at the Petro station about 5-6 miles down the road. He could see both the wife and I were tired. We asked if there was a fee, which we were more than willing to pay, and were told just to use the back lot, and please don't block the truckers. We parked, went inside, and bought supper, and the next morning breakfast as well, and filled up the tank. I probably could have made the 40 miles, but a tired driver is a hazard to other people on the road. Stopping for a needed rest is not camping, it is common sense. Setting up a camp site is misuse of some ones courtesy.

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Re: WAL-MART DISCRIMINATION AGAINST RVers in HOMESTEAD FLORIDA
« Reply #73 on: March 22, 2012, 05:46:30 PM »
I don't discriminate, I can't see me spend 3 hours in any store, unless they sell beer and have free sampling.

My Apology guys. I newer been in Walmart store before. I was just informed by friend that walmart is large superstore where you can buy everything for your household. Anything from food to linen apparently is available there (information given to me). Looks like i was wrongly informed and Walmart in us is not big shopping complex as I imagine from information given to me.
When I will buy my motorhome, i will need everything, from kitchen dishes to linen and all equipment for my RV. This will take at least day to do for me.
Looks like Walmart is really not what I need for this type of shopping.

I know that this is off topic, but if anybody can recommend some shopping complex in Chicago Ill. to do this type of shopping I would appreciate this.

We are use to shop differently here in Australia. Family shopping is done weekly or 14nightly in our superstores where is usually all available. Food, hardware, technology, banks, medicentres, food halls, cinemas in some and lot of clothes outlets and.............
I mistaked Walmart for this type of superstore complex.
When we shop there usually all family come and we spent at least half day to do all our shopping.

I am again sorry for mistaking Walmart for this type of establishment. I will learn all this when I start my travel in your beautiful country and make adjustment to US way of live..

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Re: WAL-MART DISCRIMINATION AGAINST RVers in HOMESTEAD FLORIDA
« Reply #74 on: March 22, 2012, 05:58:57 PM »
A Super Walmart may very well have most of what you'll need, so don't let this thread regarding one particular store in a very active tourist area discourage you. Only about 15% of the approximately 3700 US Walmart stores have any RV parking restrictions, most prohibiting overnight parking due to local laws, zoning requirements, or parking lot ownership issues.
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Re: WAL-MART DISCRIMINATION AGAINST RVers in HOMESTEAD FLORIDA
« Reply #75 on: March 22, 2012, 06:03:06 PM »
I would like to see all Wallmarts, Flying J'S ect stop overnight camping.  There are thousand of campgrounds in the USA use them.  What's next, free electric hook ups?  Wash in the Burger King?  Campgrounds are for camping, and they are at all price levels.  They rely on us to keep in business. I can guarantee Wallmarts will not go out of business if you don't shop there. Yon can take that to the bank....


I can't wait to see what this starts....


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I am sorry if I red this topic in wrong way. I thought that original post was all about complain for parking restriction 3 hours for shopping, not for staying over night. But if all customers in that store are restricted to leave car park in 3 hours, they should. After all it is Walmart space.
Only what would upset me would be if some shopper can stay longer and some are restricted. I think that this was original complain.

If parking is not suitable for large vehicles and they restricted vehicle because of size with no entry sign, I think that this is understandable  also.
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Re: WAL-MART DISCRIMINATION AGAINST RVers in HOMESTEAD FLORIDA
« Reply #76 on: March 22, 2012, 06:06:51 PM »
A Super Walmart may very well have most of what you'll need, so don't let this thread regarding one particular store in a very active tourist area discourage you. Only about 15% of the approximately 3700 US Walmart stores have any RV parking restrictions, most prohibiting overnight parking due to local laws, zoning requirements, or parking lot ownership issues.

Thanks for info
I will be looking in my navigation system for Super Walmart, not just for Walmart. (is that right?)
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Re: WAL-MART DISCRIMINATION AGAINST RVers in HOMESTEAD FLORIDA
« Reply #77 on: March 22, 2012, 07:06:15 PM »
I will be looking in my navigation system for Super Walmart, not just for Walmart. (is that right?)
This will depend on which navigation system you have. My Garmin will say either Walmart or Super Walmart but that doesn't mean it is 100% accurate. You can find info online that will give you a better clue or when you shop at your first Walmart you can pick up a copy of the Rand McNalley USA Atlas ($6) and it lists all the Walmarts in the US and Canada. That information will be the most up to date. The basic difference between a Walmart and a Super Walmart is that the Super Walmarts will include a full grocery store and the regular Walmarts have a limited amount of food. Most every thing else you will need will be available at either one.

I have been shopping almost exclusively at Walmarts in my 9 years of full timing because they have very low prices, very good merchandise, a large selection and an awesome return policy. 90 days for most items and even without a receipt they will usually exchange an item.
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Re: WAL-MART DISCRIMINATION AGAINST RVers in HOMESTEAD FLORIDA
« Reply #78 on: March 22, 2012, 08:35:54 PM »
Yep, as Tom said, the big difference between the regular Walmart stores and the Super Walmarts is the food selection. Sometimes the usually larger super stores have a broader selection of products, so if one is convenient for you to get to, it might be a better choice for initially stocking up.
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« Reply #79 on: March 22, 2012, 08:50:08 PM »
Thanks for explaining this to me. I understand now. Sorry for disrupting this topic.
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« Reply #80 on: March 23, 2012, 12:05:23 AM »
Super Walmart is basically a huge grocery store on one side, and a general merchandise store on the other.  Super Target, Super K (a version of Kmart), and Meijer are three other companies that are similar and you might also find in various states.  Most have pharmacies and sometimes a fast food restaurant (Subway, McDonald's, etc.), a small bank counter, print/photo shop, or other businesses integrated.  But they are not as huge as you were thinking, with multiple clothing retailers, a food court, or movie theaters.  That would be considered a shopping mall in the U.S. 
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Re: WAL-MART DISCRIMINATION AGAINST RVers in HOMESTEAD FLORIDA
« Reply #81 on: March 23, 2012, 04:19:46 AM »
Thanks Scottydl
I have got the right idea now. I must say that it is really nice for Walmart to let RV there over night. This would be not allowed here or in Europe.
For travellers like me who spent more time on the road than in camping ground this is just super. And yes if they are so supportive they will be my choice for shopping. (but I need more than 3 hours LOL)
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Re: WAL-MART DISCRIMINATION AGAINST RVers in HOMESTEAD FLORIDA
« Reply #82 on: April 28, 2012, 11:41:56 PM »
Sevierville County, Tn has an ordinance that forbids parking at their Walmart stores. Once in Texas I went into a Walmart and ask to park over night. The manager was very nice, but the parking lot was leased and the owner of the lot would not allow for over night RV parking. I thanked him and drove on down the road.

Once I pulled the MH way over out of the way next to an old truck where pine straw was stored. I went into the Walmart store to make sure that it was alright to park for the night. The lady said that it was alright to spend the night but would I pull the MH over towards the middle of the parking lot. When I showed supprise she said that she was having problems with people slipping into the pine straw truck and having sex and she needed me to move so she could keep an eye on the truck. I was happy to move away from that truck.
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« Reply #83 on: May 15, 2012, 12:32:13 PM »
I done all my shopping to equipped my new RV in wallmart. Took me 2 days of shopping and setting up and I spent about $2000 there. Thanks good that They did not have 3 hours limit.  I was running in and out for this 2 days with tape measure and new ideas how to improve my set up. One lady at check up started to call me by first name.
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Re: WAL-MART DISCRIMINATION AGAINST RVers in HOMESTEAD FLORIDA
« Reply #84 on: September 01, 2012, 04:41:59 PM »
Visit http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/walmartrving/.  They maintain a reasonably updated Walmart "overnight"/"no overnight" parking list.   They also have the Industry-sanctioned Code of Conduct
(RVers’ Good Neighbor Policy) listed on their files section.  A copy follows:

"Some of the most respected RV consumer clubs have joined together to support your right to park on private businesses’ parking lots overnight under the following code of conduct. The code pertains to establishments that permit "dry camping" on their lots. Dry camping means camping without the use of external hookups for electricity, water supply or waste disposal.

Industry-Sanctioned Code of Conduct (RVers’ Good Neighbor Policy)

1. Stay one night only!
2. Obtain permission from a qualified individual.
3. Obey posted regulations.
4. No awnings, chairs, or barbecue grills outside your RV.
5. Do not use hydraulic jacks on soft surfaces (including asphalt).
6. Always leave an area cleaner than you found it.
7. Purchase gas, food, or supplies as a form of thank you, when feasible.
8. Be safe! Always be aware of your surroundings and leave if you feel unsafe.

If your plans include touring the area, staying for more than one night, or necessitate conduct not within the code, please relocate to a local campground. It’s the right thing to do!

Most of the complaints lodged regarding RV parking on business parking lots have to do with aesthetics and perceived abuse of the privilege. There are a variety of competing interests that were balanced to arrive at this industry-sanctioned code of conduct. As you can see, this Code of Conduct is nothing more than an RVers’ “Good
Neighbor” policy.

Not following the code has serious consequences and is detrimental to the rights of all RVers. Already, some municipalities have passed ordinances to prohibit parking on private business property overnight.

Please do not take offense to this letter; it is only provided as a reminder that RVers must be perceived as good neighbors, or there will be more pressure to institute state, county and local ordinances to prohibit parking on private business property."
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Re: WAL-MART DISCRIMINATION AGAINST RVers in HOMESTEAD FLORIDA
« Reply #85 on: September 02, 2012, 09:16:47 AM »
This particular Wal-Mart is where our saga began trying to diagnose our fuel/engine issues (Dec 2011).  MH died on the highway offramp and we managed to get into the Wal-Mart parking lot - in the back, away from most cars.  We were not approached by security although they drove by us repeatedly.  It was obvious we were having trouble from the hood up and DH covered in grime laying under the MH so I am assuming they realized they would be wasting their breath to let us know there was a time restriction :)

I know its off topic but my post is in regard to the quality of this Wal-Mart, not their policies about time limits...
I don't usually shop in Wal-Mart, but have been in a few during our travels - enough to know that the others I have been in are much nicer than this one. I have never seen anything like this place.  This particular Wal-Mart is perhaps the dirtiest store I have EVER been in.  Even worse was the feeling that I wanted to grab my teenage son's hand just to keep him close to me while inside - I had that bad vibe the whole time we were inside.
It was not terribly busy at the time, we were there during a weekday prior to lunchtime.  The staff was rude and not helpful when I asked where items I could not find were located.  We enjoy the Everglades and the Keys so we will be going through this area in the future but I will go out of my way to find an alternative stop further north for any items we need.  I was so creeped out, I would not have overnighted here even if they allowed it. 

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« Reply #86 on: September 02, 2012, 03:25:37 PM »
Good help in this area is hard to find. This particular Walmart as I understand it is the busiest Walmart in the USA. I live here and avoid it at all cost. I have been in numerous Walmart's in our travels and have to agree with you on this particular Walmart. Walmart is supposed to build another store about 4 miles north on US-1. Have to wait and see if this martilizes.
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Re: WAL-MART DISCRIMINATION AGAINST RVers in HOMESTEAD FLORIDA
« Reply #87 on: September 17, 2012, 02:13:03 PM »
Over the years the Florida City Walmart has been a source of amazement as to how many RV's we would see in the parking lot as we drove by.  You would hear stories about some poor soul, late in the day, kids crying, not being able to find a campsite and being told that the nearest place was the Florida city Walmart way back at the beginnings or the Keys. 
This year we were again amazed to see no RV's as we drove by.  Sadly, the word is that the abuse of the courtesy extended by Walmart finally caused them to take action.  I am not surprised.  I often wondered how long it would last. 
As for camping, the city park has over 300 sites a few blocks away and there are 2 or 3 RV parks within a mile. The only real change is loss of free overnight parking for some... for others, a free campsite.

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Re: WAL-MART DISCRIMINATION AGAINST RVers in HOMESTEAD FLORIDA
« Reply #88 on: September 17, 2012, 07:52:57 PM »
I don't know if you noticed but, they chained off the property just north of the walmart in FL City and put up the same signs. Florida City does have a campground about 3 blocks west and a 1/2 mile north. Not the best kept campground and tight spots but doable. I have heard rumors that Southern Komfort campground has been sold to the Miccosuccee (sp) Indians along with the property on the corner of US1 and Palm drive to build a Casino. 
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Re: WAL-MART DISCRIMINATION AGAINST RVers in HOMESTEAD FLORIDA
« Reply #89 on: September 17, 2012, 08:03:09 PM »
Is that the same Southern Comfort RV Park that was there in the 80s ? If so, we lived there while working at Biscayne and the Everglades back in 1985-6. I figured one of the hurricanes took it out.
 
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Re: WAL-MART DISCRIMINATION AGAINST RVers in HOMESTEAD FLORIDA
« Reply #90 on: September 17, 2012, 08:08:05 PM »
Wendy, it is the same, it has been through several different owners since then. It is still situated on Pal;m Drive just east of US1. If you worked Biscayne and Everglades Park then I should have met you then. I always had the Boy Scouts in the parks at least twice a month.
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« Reply #91 on: September 17, 2012, 08:17:45 PM »
What a hoot that it's still there. I used to ride my bike to Biscayne to work and stop along the way to pick up lovely little red potatoes in the fields. Mike worked at Shark Valley, did tram and bike tours. Best birding I've ever had in my life.
 
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« Reply #92 on: September 17, 2012, 08:25:11 PM »
Back then it was a wonderful area. It is now crowded, the potato fields are pretty much gone with houses being planted in the place of potatoes. I think there may be one or two potato farmers left but they are farther north. Williams was the big potato farmer in this arfea. I don't think I would ride a bicycle down Palm Drive now even though I see a few do it. You would be amazed at how many homes have been built on both sides of Palm Drive. The weather is still ideal here which is why I stay. Birding is really good in the Glades and in Biscayne. Had Lobster this evening that my son caught last night.
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« Reply #93 on: September 18, 2012, 05:51:46 AM »
Your fond memories are making me want to pack up and head out right now!!!  This was a crazy trip for us and our first long road trip in our MH.  We had so many unpredictable things happen.  I loved both Everglades and Biscayne.  It took my guys a few months to get over the craziness (WOW, I wish I had asked about the tourists in ENP the week after Christmas, the locals putting in a the the boat ramp were laughing at our shock all week) but now DH can't wait to go back.  Next time it won't be during what we told is the only crowded time of year in this park!  Biscayne was a happy accident (our MH was in the shop and we stumbled across a road sign while trying to find things to keep DS happy during our motel stay).  I was floored by the beauty of this park.  DH and I hope to join the ranks of workcampers when we are empty nesters and this one is on my list!  We were here in December/Jan and the two couples working at Biscayne were set up in the parking lot.

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« Reply #94 on: September 18, 2012, 01:10:43 PM »
As I said, I stay for the weather...In 1961, the Air Force put me on the UP of Michigan where I learned "When the leaves fall off the trees and the birds head south, you follow" or maybe even beat them to it. When the first cold front comes through I start playing golf and really enjoying the outdoors here.

After the first cold front you know it won't be long for the birds to show up.
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« Reply #95 on: September 18, 2012, 01:20:50 PM »
In 1961, the Air Force put me on the UP of Michigan where I learned "When the leaves fall off the trees and the birds head south, you follow"
Don - I hope you did not hurt yourself falling out of the tree... ;D
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« Reply #96 on: September 18, 2012, 02:22:26 PM »
Leaves Tom, Leaves. I don't climb trees.
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Re: WAL-MART DISCRIMINATION AGAINST RVers in HOMESTEAD FLORIDA
« Reply #97 on: February 10, 2013, 08:43:42 PM »
Important to note, KMarts have a similar policy. 

When we travel long days and get off the highway after midnight, I love to stay at WM, when permissible.  I've only run across 1 WM that didn't allow overnight RVers, and there was another WM 25min down the road, which I called and double checked before heading after.  For us, it's a perfect stop for those long days of driving.  Grab a couple items from the store after midnight, gas up, sleep, start the motor and roll out by 8AM!   Now, if you're travelling a "trucking corridor", it's very likely the WM will not allow TRUCKS to sleep overnight, but we always find the little "wagon train" cluster of RVs far away from the entrance, in a mostly level area, and park beside 'em.  I often wonder what the stories are of our anonymous (and quiet) neighbors :)

The only inconvenience we've run into so far, is the streetsweepers that end up cleaning the parking lot the night we park there.  I can't blame them for being clean!


BTW, there's a Walmart app for iphones/ ipads and Androids that is constantly updated, and will tell you where the closest Walmart is, and their phone #.  It's MUCH faster than using MS Trips and Streets.

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Re: WAL-MART DISCRIMINATION AGAINST RVers in HOMESTEAD FLORIDA
« Reply #98 on: March 02, 2013, 07:04:33 PM »
April 8, 2011 - Found out that the WAL-MART in HOMESTEAD. FLORIDA is NOT the area for RVs!!!  Drove into a Wal-Mart parking lot at 10:30am (the last one one the way to The Keys)  The security guard drove up and said,  (I QUOTE)....................."THESE TYPE vehicles have a 3hr parking limit, it's 10,,:30am now you have til 1:30pm then you have to leave!

Sadly if the security guard would have demonstrated an ounce of people skills you probably wouldn't have bothered to post this and got all upset.
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Re: WAL-MART DISCRIMINATION AGAINST RVers in HOMESTEAD FLORIDA
« Reply #99 on: March 02, 2013, 07:08:09 PM »
dominique21,

You're replying to old topics. Some of the original posters are no longer here  ;)
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Re: WAL-MART DISCRIMINATION AGAINST RVers in HOMESTEAD FLORIDA
« Reply #100 on: March 02, 2013, 07:13:10 PM »
dominique21,

You're replying to old topics. Some of the original posters are no longer here  ;)
There you go again, Tom.  Spoiling another good response. ;D ;D ;D
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Re: WAL-MART DISCRIMINATION AGAINST RVers in HOMESTEAD FLORIDA
« Reply #101 on: March 02, 2013, 07:13:38 PM »
April 8, 2011 - Found out that the WAL-MART in HOMESTEAD. FLORIDA is NOT the area for RVs!!!  Drove into a Wal-Mart parking lot at 10:30am (the last one one the way to The Keys)  The security guard drove up and said,  (I QUOTE)....................."THESE TYPE vehicles have a 3hr parking limit, it's 10:30am now you have til 1:30pm then you have to leave"!! 

We had just pulled up did not even get 5 secs to put my shoes on to go into the store. 

WAL-MART discrimination against RVers!!!  WOW....and they wonder why they are being sued for discrimination!! 

I was not parked overnight!  I was going in to get items for my trip to the Keys since there is NO Wal-Mart in the Keys. 

So, I decided to stay for "MY" 3 hours and take some notes: 

In approx. 1.5 hrs 10 RVers pulled up - out of those 10 they took up (including me) 32 parking spaces.  Now the average RV/5th Wheel/etc.. has 2 or more people.  (BTW...everyone got the same visit, by the same guard, either before or after shopping at Wal-Mart!).  Each RVer had approx. 6-10 bags or more of groceries, etc... in that same time period 2 cars with boats pulled up - NO VISIT from the guard - and one of them did not even go into Wal-Mart - stayed for 45mins on cell phone - took up 3 parking spaces!  The other boat went in and came out with what looked like 1 small bag of chips!!  Then there were cars pulling into the parking lot 2 at a time hitching a ride in another car and leaving one car parked!! 

Before we left we travelled around the side of Wal-Mart as we had seen BUSES going back and forth...(there have a BUS stop on the side of Wal-Mart) - these BUSES park for 15-20 mins pick up people and drop them off....some of the folks I noticed were leaving their cars and getting on the buses...I am sure going into town for work, beach, etc...

I know we take up a lot of room in our RV's but I do not appreciate anyone putting a time limit on MY visit to the store!  I am young enough where I do not have health problems....I feel really bad for those RVers that are not as fortunate and take longer to get their items needed at the store...or even those of you that have small children that want walk slowly down EVERY toy isle in Wal-Mart!!

THE PARKING LOT WAS NOT FULL....NOT EVEN CLOSE....AND WAS A HUGE PARKING LOT!!

I will NOT be going to a Wal-Mart store anytime soon!!    >:(

SIDE NOTE....FYI........  The meaning for discrimination is:

Discrimination is the cognitive and sensory capacity or ability to see fine distinctions and perceive differences between objects, subjects, concepts and patterns, or possess exceptional development of the senses.




Sadly, if the security guard would have demonstrated an ounce of people skills, you probably wouldn't have posted this and got all mad.

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Re: WAL-MART DISCRIMINATION AGAINST RVers in HOMESTEAD FLORIDA
« Reply #102 on: March 04, 2013, 03:39:28 PM »
Only had a problem with one WalMart parking lot. After stopping my Rig, I was accosted by one of their lot personnel who informed me that I couldn't park there. I just informed him that I was there to pick up my wife who is on the set up crew for their new store, but now I was going to see the Manager about their wanna be cop on their lot who does not know how to talk to people. [Politeness gets my co-operation but rudeness gets my dander up.]

P.S. I'm a retired LEO, and never talked that way to the public.[Rude.]


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Re: WAL-MART DISCRIMINATION AGAINST RVers in HOMESTEAD FLORIDA
« Reply #103 on: March 07, 2013, 04:37:46 PM »
M1849, I believe your story since we have had similar experiences. However, you may have misjudged the encounter. (Please read my post above about Walmort Parking.) The person may not have been a Walmart Employee. We always get permission inside the store before arranging to park overnight.

When we have been contacted by any security person, in every instance, in a Walmart parking lot, it has not been a Walmart employee. It has always been an employee of the Security Company that patrols the lot. In every instance that person was only informing us of the ordinance, when there was one, often stating that "we cannot park overnight" . Then when we informed the security person that we had permission from Walmart to park for shopping and we would be there until morning to go shopping, we were politely informed that we could stay.

Very often we are contacted by the Security Patrol and merely informed that we will be safely observed while we are parked, after we visit, and the patrol person learns that we will be overnight. Even the Security Persons who started by telling us that there was no overnight parking become polite and friendly when we explain the situation. I appreciate this, especially the extra security from the patrol.

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Re: WAL-MART DISCRIMINATION AGAINST RVers in HOMESTEAD FLORIDA
« Reply #104 on: March 07, 2013, 05:37:36 PM »
I have, on occasion, been ask to park in a different part of the lot..  Usually I'm just shopping when that happens.

As it happens, I have a scroll sign that has several canned messages, including "Not staying, Just shopping"
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