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disney1860

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Please help us - Were a British couple ( rvamerica@hotmail.co.uk ) wanting RV around your beautiful America  . . . . .

I know you have probabably heard this all before - But upon retiring we  - Mr & Mrs Stephen are DESPERATE to RV across the 50 states of BEAUTIFUL America. We have our own 21ft motorhome here in the UK (Bedfordshire) we love going away whenever we get the chance - all in practice for our big American adventure.

We are not a 100% sure how to go about this mammoth task  - So far we know that we would need to purchase an RV (probably from Florida) and a toad - But how to go about this with regards to licences - post - Sorting out Visa's (not sure the best way to do this) - and from there we wouldnt really know what to do and in what order ???

PLEASE PLEASE could somebody help us  - I think we have to move out of America after 6 months over to Canada but are not sure for how long  - Before we can come back and get another 6 months on our Visa ???

PLEASE HELP US to live our dream ... Please feel free to email us with ideas, tips and hints ...

Kind regards
Annette & Sylvio Stephen
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http://www.rvforum.net/joomla/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=435:fulltimeprep&catid=29:fulltiming&Itemid=45

Here is an article from our library to help out potential full timers with suggestions for items that should be attended to before becoming a full timer.

If you want to RV across all 50 states there will be two problems. Taking your RV to Hawaii is problematic and taking your RV to Alaska will take up several months of your one year. I believe you can only stay 6 months, but our grand leader is from the UK and he will be letting you know about that aspect.

If you only have 6 months seeing the other 48 states will also be problematic. That would be 8 states a month or less than 4 days per state. There are plenty of states in the east that you can see in a few days but out west we have National Parks that are bigger that some of our states. I would suggest you really cut your plans back. In six months you could do a nice job of seeing the western United States and then perhaps you could come back a different year and travel the eastern US. It would not be too expensive to store your RV here between trips.

Foreigners, especially from Europe always grossly underestimate just how big the US really is. Last January I drove my RV from Florida to Las Vegas, which is not even all the way across the country and it took me 8 days of 300 miles per day to get there. You drive 300 miles in one day in an RV and you will be too tired to do any sightseeing once you get there.

Another problem is the weather. You don't want to be in the north during the winter and you don't want to be in the south in the summer. Sub freezing weather or 100+ weather in an RV is no fun.

My suggestion is to visit the western US on your first visit. There is more than enough to do there on a six month visit. Get out a map of the US and draw a line north and south at the Rocky Mountains and plan on staying west of the Rockies. You will have a number of the most beautiful National Parks in the country to choose from: Yosemite, Yellowstone, Grand Canyon, Grand Tetons, Zion, Bryce Canyon, Arches, Crater Lake, Death Valley, Sequoia, Kings Canyon, Rocky Mountain, Mount Rainier, Olympic, North Cascades, Canyonlands, Capitol Reef, Saguaro, Joshua Tree, Channel Islands, Redwood and Mount Lassen to name a few. There are plenty of other attractions in the west, Lake Tahoe, Las Vegas, Big Sur, Disneyland, San Francisco, and Salt Lake City to name a few more.

If you plan out a route then post your route here and we will help you make sure the weather will be favorable where ever you go.

disney1860

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THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR HELP ... Bless your cotton socks - - - Thank you  ;)

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Annette & Sylvio,

Tom S (Seilerbird) gives good advice on being realistic about how much of the US you can expect to see (and enjoy) in your time frame.

You'll also glean quite a bit of information by reading some of the posts on this Visitors to the USA message board. There have been numerous prior discussions on the things you're asking about.
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As others have pointed out, the US is a very large country.   here  is a link to a section in our library that discusses lots of things about visiting America.  It should help with answering some of your questions; or it may create other questions.   :D   And, as Tom mentions do a search using the above "Search" button and you'll discover quite a few prior discussions.

Also, just so you are aware, the staff has removed your duplicate postings.  That way you won't have answers scattered between various messages.  It keeps everything in one place, which makes it easier to follow.

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Welcome.
You will need way more than 6 months to travel the US.  So make your plans to visit the US and then drop into Canada during the summer months.  Florida is not the only place to find bargains in motor homes.  Oregon is tax free, so there is no sales tax.  License fees are reasonable too.  There are other states, North Dakota for instance that are attractive for purchases.

rvamerica

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THANK YOU  :) ;) :)


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rvamerica

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Hello there again, please could you tell us how long would we need to leave the USA before we can come back again and perhaps gain another 6 months ???

Kind regards
Annette & Sylvio  :-\ :-\ :-\



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Hi Annette and Sylvio, when replying to a message, there is no need to quote the entire message from the previous poster.  If you have a question/comment regarding a specific part of a previous post, it's ok to quote it.  Or if you have a question/comment about a short post, it's ok to quote it as well.

Otherwise, it just adds an way too much text to the entire post without adding value.  It makes it harder to read and also uses additional database storage.

Thanks,
Marc...
Marc...

rvamerica

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THANK YOU EVERYBODY FOR ALL YOUR HELP  - WE NEED AS MUCH HELP AS HUMANLY POSSIBLE HA! HA!

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... could you tell us how long would we need to leave the USA before we can come back again and perhaps gain another 6 months ???

There is no defined minimum period. Theoretically, you could leave and come back the same day. Most folks take the opportunity to see some of Canada, while others stay out for a couple of weeks.

One caveat - we've had one report of a British couple who crossed into Canada and re-entered the USA to re-start the clock and, when they did that a second time, they were refused entry. The key is not to appear to be trying to get around the 6 months rule, which is one reason people stay in Canada for a few weeks.

Another couple reported asking for 8 months instead of 6 when they arrived at the airport, and they were granted the 8 months stay.

Others have reported filing a form I-539 for an extension of stay while still in the US.

You'll find various discussions of each of the above if you browse this Visitors To The USA message board, along with links to the official rules.
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rvamerica

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Thank You Tom,
We would be looking at touring Canada as well, we were not sure if there is a time limit on leaving and then  re-entering again ??? - Next question  - How long could you tour Canada for -  is there a time limit there also???

Regards Annette


There is no defined minimum period. Theoretically, you could leave and come back the same day. Most folks take the opportunity to see some of Canada, while others stay out for a couple of weeks.

One caveat - we've had one report of a British couple who crossed into Canada and re-entered the USA to re-start the clock and, when they did that a second time, they were refused entry. The key is not to appear to be trying to get around the 6 months rule, which is one reason people stay in Canada for a few weeks.

Another couple reported asking for 8 months instead of 6 when they arrived at the airport, and they were granted the 8 months stay.

Others have reported filing a form I-539 for an extension of stay while still in the US.

You'll find various discussions of each of the above if you browse this Visitors To The USA message board, along with links to the official rules.

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How long could you tour Canada for -  is there a time limit there also???

I don't really know Annette, but maybe someone else will jump in with the information. (It might be in one of the other posts here.)
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As far as touring Canada you should remember there are two seasons in Canada, July and winter. If you tour the western US then you could slip up into Canada and tour the 6 Canadian Rockies National Parks. Banff, Glacier, Yoho, Jasper, Mount Revelstoke, and Kootenay. I have heard great reviews of them and they are all very close together. You could fit them all in during July.

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I can't say for Canada, I've been here for as long as I can remember :-).   

Probably best to check with Canada Border Services Agency: http://www.cbsa-asfc.gc.ca/noncan-eng.html, they will have the final say anyway on how long you can stay regardless of what any of us might say here.
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As far as touring Canada you should remember there are two seasons in Canada, July and winter.
Last time I checked, we had 4 seasons :-).  Summer is really longer than just July, these recent years, August has been nicer than July, at least on the East Coast.  From May to September, you can be guaranteed to not have any temperatures below freezing.  Winter will reach some places quicker than others. 

I would think Fall would be a nice time to be in a National Park with all the colours of the foliage, but you need a rig with a working furnace at night.
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Immigration Canada (http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/visit/extend-stay.asp) says the following:
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Visitor Status

Visitor Status is given to you by the BSO at the port of entry when he or she grants entry to Canada. The BSO will determine the length of your stay (usually up to 6 months) and record a validity date indicating the duration of your visit. The BSO will also note any special terms or conditions of your stay.

BSO=Border Service Officer
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Marc - I haven't been to Canada in 40 years. I am just repeated what I have heard from countless Canadians.

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Tom - Well, I covered the last 41 years and 10 months for you :-).

It's all relative anyway.  Our fall and spring is certainly colder than anywhere in the winter in the southern States.  Again, that's dependant on the region.  If you're in Labrador or North West Territories, it will be a lot colder sooner.  If you're in Toronto or Vancouver, it will be different.

I have seen leaving Gander, Newfoundland by plane in early June and they sprayed de-icer on the plane before take off, only to have to switch to shorts and t-shirt once we landed in New Brunswick.

If you want to come to Canada to enjoy beaches and summer activities, definitely stick to July and early August.  But if you want beaches, there are places other than Canada to visit.  My friends in Parlee Beach and Cavendish Beach won't like me, they do have very nice beaches, but it's not the Caribbean.

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The reason I made the two seasons remark is because vacation time is precious and it would be a drag for someone to plan a lengthy RV vacation in Canada and spend most of it inside the motorhome. I certainly don't want to offend the Canadians but I have heard that remark from a lot of Canadian citizens. I am planning on visiting Canada in a few years and weather is the biggest problem in planning the trip.

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Not offended at all Tom, I even took it as a joke.  I'll be the first one to make fun of us.  First lesson from my finance teacher: "If you are not worth laughing at, you are not worth much", I live by those words.

And you're right that the summer is short.  People fine with visiting in 60F daytime high will be fine from late spring to early fall.  Those looking for 80F+ should stick to July and August.
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    Tom, since Canada is 20% larger in land mass, it is even more difficult to generalize what our weather will bring, than it is to generalize US weather.  We stretch from Atlantic to Pacific, to Arctic Oceans, and from below Northern California in the south (Pelee Island).  BTW, I'll take our plus/minus 20C this summer here in the Maritimes, over Kansas' 79 days of over 100F.
    Since we are both Commonwealth Countries, there may well be special rules which would allow greater flexibility as to duration.  You can very comfortably RV in parts of Canada almost 12 months a year, many full time in southern BC.  Although, I would recommend April to October in most areas.
    As for US entry, it is my understanding that US entry as a tourist is limited to 6 months in any 12 month rolling period.  So, leaving after 6 months, and re-entering would not get around those rules.  I have heard that application can be made for longer tourist entry, but am told that it is labourious and not easily granted.  We know of several Canadian snowbirds who have been banned entry for 3 or 5 year periods for staying longer than the 6 month allowable.

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The US and Canada are almost exactly the same size. The US is 3794083 square miles and Canada is 3855100 square miles. Anyhow I was making a joke. Don't you have a sense of humor? Anyhow for the vast majority of Canada the place is frozen most of the year.  However this has some advantages. Since Canada has a population of 33,739,900 and California has a population of 36,961,664 this means that there is a lot of undisturbed wilderness, a lot less people and a whole lot less pollution. Did you know that half of the lakes in the world are located in Canada? Of course this means that half the mosquitoes in the world are located in Canada (another joke, Ed). :P

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.... it is my understanding that US entry as a tourist is limited to 6 months in any 12 month rolling period.

First I've heard of that Ed. Do you have a link to the source?

Here's a link to an official USCIS document allowing an extension beyond the initial 6 months by merely filing Form I-539; If they don't respond before you leave, you get an automatic 8 months extension (i.e. total of 14 consecutive months) just for filing the form. This would suggest that there's no limit of 6 months in any rolling 12 months.
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    Tom, I am merely repeating what I have been told by border guards upon entry, and from other Canadian snowbirds who claim to have been denied entry.  I will see what I can find out, but it could take a few days.
    Tom (Seilerbird) are you referring to Florida's State bird, when you claim we have so many mosquitoes? 

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Ed,

I vaguely recall Steve Pally mentioning different rules for Canadians, but I thought they related to how long Canadians can stay out of Canada.

I do recall before we were residents, having business in BC; I flew up to Vancouver one day and back the next. But the visa issues at the time were too complex to explain here. Maybe around the campfire.
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    Tom, I am merely repeating what I have been told by border guards upon entry, and from other Canadian snowbirds who claim to have been denied entry.  I will see what I can find out, but it could take a few days.
    Tom (Seilerbird) are you referring to Florida's State bird, when you claim we have so many mosquitoes? 

Ed
That is the one. They come down from Canada to spend the winter in Florida.

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    Tom, here is a link to a lengthy article in the Canadian snowbird magazine on the subject.  As you can see we are at the total discretion of the border guard.

http://www.snowbirds.org/topic/bird-talk/politics-and-govt/128/159/issue-79.html#anchor2132

see also:  http://www.snowbirds.org/topic/bird-talk/politics-and-govt/128/159/issue-79.html#anchor2130

I did go to the US Customs and Border Protection website and you are correct that a form I 194 can be submitted, but it generally seems to be a request to allow entry if you have a criminal record, or if entry was denied because of a previous overstay.  Suffice to say, I will not be visiting the US for more than 6 months in any given year, unless there is a change in how the Border Service deals with tourists.
    Much of that deals with medical coverage out of our home province, but my out of country coverage only requires me to be back in my home province, then I can go  again.

Ed
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Sounds like a great idea to me. My wife and I retired and have had a Travel Trailer (caravan) since 2007 and committed a lot of our time to touring the USA, though we still live in England.
You will of course have many options available to you, if you really need help then there are lots of support pages here and people who may be able to give advice. If you already have an outline plan then there are many options to achieve it. It usually just needs time, money, research and flexibility to achieve it. The more of these that you have then the easier it is.
We find that 10 to 13 weeks at a time leaves us ready to come home and eager for the next trip (we have done 8 so far, check our website/blog[icon in the top left of this message]).
We found Florida very accessible for Brits. Come over for a holiday, rent an RV for a few weeks, tour the RV dealers, look for some second hand bagains without being in a hurry. You may well save the cost of your holiday in getting a bargain. Decide what level of maintainance/repair you are confident to undertake, which will help you decide whether you ant a new RV or an old RV.
I would warn you that once you get the travel bug your garden will go to pot.
There is indeed a lot of good advice elsewhere on this forum. But if you want specifics then you need only ask
If you are serious and want some specific support or ideas then please email us.
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     As I read the link provided above by Marc, visitors to Canada from the UK do not require visas for stays of up to 180 days.
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