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Verizon Implements Network Optimization - Throttling Top 5%
« on: September 19, 2011, 11:03:35 AM »
Earlier this year Verizon announced their plans of network optimization to control the top 5% of data users bringing down the service for everybody else. Verizon has finally implemented this system and users going over 2GB a month on an older 3G unlimited data plan may find themselves surfing at reduced speeds shortly.

Details can be found here - Verizon Implements Network Optimization - Throttling Top 5% of Users

So what do you think about Verizon's new network optimization? I think it's interesting this is being officially announced with rumors of the next iPhone going live sometime next month.

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Re: Verizon Implements Network Optimization - Throttling Top 5%
« Reply #1 on: September 19, 2011, 11:36:44 AM »
This really sucks!  We depend on Verizon's wireless internet for all of our internet access for the 8 or 9 months that we are on the road.  We use between 3 & 6 GB per month and do not download movies or music.   
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Re: Verizon Implements Network Optimization - Throttling Top 5%
« Reply #2 on: September 19, 2011, 11:52:03 AM »
George, it will only affect you if you're using a congested tower, and then only during periods of congestion.  I think it's a very fair way of handling network congestion.  For email and web browsing, you won't notice it.

How do you use so much data if you don't view videos or stream music?
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Re: Verizon Implements Network Optimization - Throttling Top 5%
« Reply #3 on: September 19, 2011, 11:55:29 AM »
DW playing games and clicking on everything.
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Re: Verizon Implements Network Optimization - Throttling Top 5%
« Reply #4 on: September 19, 2011, 12:07:18 PM »
George, you could also buy 5GB or 10 GB per month instead of using the unlimited plan.

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Re: Verizon Implements Network Optimization - Throttling Top 5%
« Reply #5 on: September 19, 2011, 12:12:15 PM »
DW ... clicking on everything.

That's like Russian Roulette :)
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Re: Verizon Implements Network Optimization - Throttling Top 5%
« Reply #6 on: September 19, 2011, 12:14:07 PM »
That's like Russian Roulette :)
Your telling me!

George, you could also buy 5GB or 10 GB per month instead of using the unlimited plan.
  We were on the 3GB plan.  Then when i threw my 3GB air card away at McDonalds and replaced it with the 4GB I had to switch up to the 5GB plan.  This month we got hit with overage.   I guess there is a lot worse things, so I don't complain.  I have begun an education program to point out that the clock runs just like the old long distance phone calls.  We will have to see if it is helping. 
« Last Edit: September 19, 2011, 12:18:23 PM by geodrake »
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Re: Verizon Implements Network Optimization - Throttling Top 5%
« Reply #7 on: September 19, 2011, 12:26:54 PM »
If you're on the 5GB data plan, you aren't subject to network optimization.  That only applies to customers with the older unlimited 3G data plan.  It also doesn't apply to any 4G data plans.
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Re: Verizon Implements Network Optimization - Throttling Top 5%
« Reply #8 on: September 19, 2011, 01:07:45 PM »
It's also a ploy by Verizon to get us old twentieth century folks to upgrade our equipment ($$) and extend our contracts($$).

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Re: Verizon Implements Network Optimization - Throttling Top 5%
« Reply #9 on: September 19, 2011, 01:37:27 PM »
It's certainly better than the throttling that the other carriers are employing (Sprint excepted but probably not far behind).  And they put the entire policy out in public where it's easy to find and understand.  I think VZW did it right this time.
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Re: Verizon Implements Network Optimization - Throttling Top 5%
« Reply #10 on: September 19, 2011, 04:08:53 PM »
I wonder how the new optimization will affect Millenicom Advanced (20GB) plan subscribers. VZW lists us as "Unlimited" according to my online account with them.
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Re: Verizon Implements Network Optimization - Throttling Top 5%
« Reply #11 on: September 19, 2011, 04:17:41 PM »
Earlier this year Verizon announced their plans of network optimization to control the top 5% of data users bringing down the service for everybody else. Verizon has finally implemented this system and users going over 2GB a month on an older 3G unlimited data plan may find themselves surfing at reduced speeds shortly.

Details can be found here - Verizon Implements Network Optimization - Throttling Top 5% of Users

So what do you think about Verizon's new network optimization? I think it's interesting this is being officially announced with rumors of the next iPhone going live sometime next month.

Interesting concept.  Pay more if you use more.


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Re: Verizon Implements Network Optimization - Throttling Top 5%
« Reply #12 on: September 19, 2011, 04:30:42 PM »
Interesting concept.  Pay more if you use more.

Some would call that un-American.
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Re: Verizon Implements Network Optimization - Throttling Top 5%
« Reply #13 on: September 19, 2011, 04:48:12 PM »
Some would call that un-American.

Personally I think they could have been a bit more generous with the data allowance on 4G modems. I remember when I was covering the press release when they announced all the details, and I almost fell over when they said 5GB or 10GB.

Considering the service is at least 10-15x faster than 3G, you'd think they'd have done a larger cap. I was personally hoping they'd have a low usage plan for like 10GB and a higher tier at 25GB (me being reasonable). The service isn't designed to be a wireline service, but when you promote downloading big games & video's it doesn't make a ton of sense.

Yesterday, I rented a movie on Vudu and used 7.5GB just watching one HDX movie that wasn't quite 2 hours long. LTE can easily support their HDX service (requires 9Mbps), and I would have blown past the 5GB tier in under 2 hours.

The service is amazing and where it's available it's almost as fast as my dedicated cable connection, but just sucks that you can't do some things without paying an arm and leg.


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Re: Verizon Implements Network Optimization - Throttling Top 5%
« Reply #14 on: September 19, 2011, 04:55:52 PM »
What got us this month was the new Garmin GPS we bought.  As soon as I began messing with it I realized that we needed an update.  It ended up being over 1GB.  That was another story in itself.

Attempting to do the download here in the middle of the forest the computer was telling me it was goind to take something like 3+ hours.  So, I took the lap=top and VZW 4GB air card and drove to town.  Once on 4GB it went pretty fast, However it was still a matter of a min or two.
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Re: Verizon Implements Network Optimization - Throttling Top 5%
« Reply #15 on: September 19, 2011, 05:18:50 PM »
Last month we kept track of our Verizon bandwidth usage.  Both of us using our two laptops doing everything we wanted (no restraints) plus my new Verizon Samsung Charge Smartphone contributed a lot because I was learning how to use it.  Once in a while I buy a song or two and we do not download movies. 

We were using both of our Verizon data plans during the month.  One is an unlimited 4G data plan for the Verizon smartphone and the other is a 4G Pantech UML290 modem data plan which is limited to 5GB per month or we pay more.

Our entire combined usage for the month was 3.25 Gbytes.

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« Reply #16 on: September 19, 2011, 06:06:49 PM »
Jerry, you're just not doing your part to congest the internet.  Try harder next month :D
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Re: Verizon Implements Network Optimization - Throttling Top 5%
« Reply #17 on: September 19, 2011, 08:32:38 PM »
We use Motosat as our primary ISP but the reason I bought a SuperUSB adapter was to use campground WIFI for most of our updates for GPS, etc and for whatever streaming we do.

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Re: Verizon Implements Network Optimization - Throttling Top 5%
« Reply #18 on: September 19, 2011, 10:04:04 PM »
DW playing games and clicking on everything.
I quit playing all those games on FB.......I cannot believe how much usage they took up!!!!! Our limit is 5 and I topped out each month at 4.9. this month I am 4 days from reset and have not exceeded 2 yet!!! I don't suppose VZW will charge less for less usage? ;)

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Re: Verizon Implements Network Optimization - Throttling Top 5%
« Reply #19 on: September 20, 2011, 05:46:14 AM »
I quit playing all those games on FB.......I cannot believe how much usage they took up!!!!! Our limit is 5 and I topped out each month at 4.9. this month I am 4 days from reset and have not exceeded 2 yet!!! I don't suppose VZW will charge less for less usage? ;)

Of course they will. Use more, pay more. Use less, pay ???
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« Reply #20 on: September 20, 2011, 05:53:26 AM »
Hey, VZW already spent a $Billion+ installing 4G equipment. They want to recover all that, seemingly within a couple of months.  ::)
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Re: Verizon Implements Network Optimization - Throttling Top 5%
« Reply #21 on: September 20, 2011, 07:14:41 AM »
I am 4 days from reset and have not exceeded 2 yet!!! I don't suppose VZW will charge less for less usage? ;)

We were home for April, May, and July and used zero, none, 0, not-a. .................. any credit?  Any break? Nope, but they hit us for overage in August.  Doesn't seem fair, but fair isn't part of the deal.  The business of business is to make money.
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Re: Verizon Implements Network Optimization - Throttling Top 5%
« Reply #22 on: September 20, 2011, 08:06:20 AM »
I read that article a couple of times and it seems to apply to smart phones rather than datacards. Am I reading it wrong?
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Re: Verizon Implements Network Optimization - Throttling Top 5%
« Reply #23 on: September 20, 2011, 09:56:43 AM »
We were home for April, May, and July and used zero, none, 0, not-a. .................. any credit?  Any break? Nope, but they hit us for overage in August.

George,

You should have put your plan on vacation rate for three months.

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Re: Verizon Implements Network Optimization - Throttling Top 5%
« Reply #24 on: September 20, 2011, 04:07:19 PM »
The other side of this argument is why should we all pay for the 5% who use extraordinary amounts of bandwidth?

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Re: Verizon Implements Network Optimization - Throttling Top 5%
« Reply #25 on: September 20, 2011, 04:59:48 PM »
Ned,

Maybe we can contribute A LITTLE MORE congestion one of these months by downloading Garmin 1+GB map update and some other software updates.  I'll try!!!

Oh silly me,

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« Reply #26 on: September 20, 2011, 05:05:57 PM »
Jerry, go for the Windows 8 Developers Preview DVD, it's 3.8GB.
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« Reply #27 on: September 21, 2011, 08:45:45 PM »
The other side of this argument is why should we all pay for the 5% who use extraordinary amounts of bandwidth?

Because every time they drive off the top 5% who use extraordinary bandwidth, you get a little closer to being in the top 5% yourself. This is about money, not bandwidth. Watch and see.
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« Reply #28 on: September 22, 2011, 10:01:59 AM »
Yes, it is about money, since the company has a limited about of bandwidth to sell and they are trying to maximise the amount of profit made from that by balancing the price vs the customer "experience". I am always surprised to hear the "greed" card played when referring to a company, greed is what companies are about and should be about.

In some countries internet access has been declared to be a right of their citizens.

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Re: Verizon Implements Network Optimization - Throttling Top 5%
« Reply #29 on: September 22, 2011, 10:42:58 AM »
Reasonable profit and greed are a bit different, no?
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« Reply #30 on: September 22, 2011, 10:59:13 AM »
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Reasonable profit and greed are a bit different, no?

Who decides "reasonable"

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« Reply #31 on: September 22, 2011, 12:37:42 PM »
One man's greed is another stockholder's profit.
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« Reply #32 on: September 22, 2011, 12:57:29 PM »
Reasonable profit and greed are a bit different, no?

How and who defines which is which and where the line between the two crosses?
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« Reply #33 on: September 22, 2011, 01:18:13 PM »
I expect that companies represented in "your" pension portfolio make reasonable profit, and any other companies are greedy... :o

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« Reply #34 on: September 22, 2011, 01:59:31 PM »
Eyes of the beholder, I guess. I'm not defining, just saying there's a dictionary difference. Sorry if I offended anyone, didn't mean to.
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« Reply #35 on: September 22, 2011, 02:09:16 PM »
It's simple:     What the market will bear. Buy it or don't.. that way you can support or protest. That will eventually square the problem away. Guess what, I am a free market kind of guy.

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« Reply #36 on: September 22, 2011, 02:21:30 PM »
Interesting concept.  Pay more if you use more.

They are the one's who said it was unlimited.  The problem is, now they don't like the deal THEY made, and want to re-negotiate it.  In my opinion, they made their bed, and now they should sleep in it.
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Re: Verizon Implements Network Optimization - Throttling Top 5%
« Reply #37 on: September 22, 2011, 02:48:55 PM »
It still is unlimited.  You won't be cut off, just slowed down only when there is excess congestion.  Once the congestion is relieved, your speed goes back up.
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« Reply #38 on: September 22, 2011, 03:26:34 PM »
My guess is that Verizon will end ALL unlimited data plans when each person's unlimited plan ends.

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« Reply #39 on: September 22, 2011, 03:38:02 PM »
Sprint will be capping their unlimited hotspot plans on Oct. 2, according to this article and others I just read.
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« Reply #40 on: September 22, 2011, 05:35:16 PM »
It still is unlimited.  You won't be cut off, just slowed down only when there is excess congestion.  Once the congestion is relieved, your speed goes back up.

Hasn't that been what's been happening all along? It happened to everyone at FMCA-Madison, at QZ, at the Gillette Escapade. Hmmmm, does VZ discriminate against RVers?
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« Reply #41 on: September 22, 2011, 06:08:24 PM »
No, that wasn't VZW causing the slowdown, it was all you RVers :)
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Re: Verizon Implements Network Optimization - Throttling Top 5%
« Reply #42 on: September 22, 2011, 06:32:14 PM »
No, that wasn't VZW causing the slowdown, it was all you RVers :)

Isn't that "excess congestion"? ::)
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« Reply #43 on: September 22, 2011, 08:02:59 PM »
Isn't that "excess congestion"? ::)

Perhaps VZW should have slowed all of you down :)
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« Reply #44 on: September 26, 2011, 12:51:33 PM »
I said  money, not greed. I am not sure how you can differentiate one from the other. The purpose of a business is to make money. The only thing I am accusing Verizon of is that they are being disingenuous when they make the claim about trying to manage their network. What they are really doing is trying to maximize their profits. This is just another redefinition of 'unlimited'. Just like airlines decided that they need to charge a fee for everything they do, phone companies found another way to charge you more for the same thing they deliver (and they can argue that they are doing it for their customers' benefit).

Cool, huh?
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