EPDM Coatings
rvupgradestore.com Composet Products Custom Yacht Interiors

Author Topic: propane tank too old  (Read 23932 times)

recycled55

  • ---
  • Posts: 7
propane tank too old
« on: October 06, 2011, 10:07:04 PM »
I just bought a 84 winnie chieftain recently and was shocked today when I went to the local bbq tank refill place .  He said my tank was too old for him to refill.  He said I had to go to a local rv store and have them check it out.  Went there and they said "we don't do that".
Another bulk distrubitor  said I should just buy a new tank and replace it.  That came up to a tune of about 350.00
They said any tank over 12 yrs old couldn't be refilled.
I was told it had to be "certified first"
I went to another rv dealer a few more miles away and he refilled it with no hesitation at all.
recycled55
Al & Cherie  USN retired 1981
1984 winnebago chieftain 22

Alfa38User

  • ---
  • Posts: 6043
Re: propane tank too old
« Reply #1 on: October 07, 2011, 09:42:52 AM »
The RV dealer knew what he was doing, the local bar-b-que place, not so much since he likely has never seen an RV.!!!

If the tank is the "built in" to the motorhome type (ie not portable) there is no expiry date, they are good forever (except for obvious damage). These are covered under the ASME standards.

Only the portable tanks typically used for bar-b-ques etc. have the 12 year limit in USA and must be re-certified. These are regulated under DOT(?) standards.  In Canada that limit is 10 years.
« Last Edit: October 07, 2011, 10:24:31 AM by Alfa38User »
Stu
Montréal, Canada 🍁
Snowbird, Naples Florida
Alfa Gold 38 (2000) 5ver (parked!)

"Of course I talk to myself, sometimes I need expert advise!!!"

JayT

  • ---
  • Posts: 165
Re: propane tank too old
« Reply #2 on: October 07, 2011, 10:09:30 AM »
I just did a quick Google search and found that yes you do have to certify your propane tanks after 12 years. I would suggest you do a search and check out what the regulations say. Way to much verbiage for me to re-type. I used the following criteria:

rv propane tank certify


Jay T
We have been RV'ing for 20 years and much tent camping prior to our first RV.
2008 Holiday Rambler Arista 33'
1983 CJ7 Jeep
Amateur radio operator call sign K6RUV
Home is Southern California in the Coachella Valley

Alfa38User

  • ---
  • Posts: 6043
Re: propane tank too old
« Reply #3 on: October 07, 2011, 10:26:51 AM »
... and you came up with the wrong answer for a typical motorhome tank ... I modified my posting above to clarify the standards somewhat....
Stu
Montréal, Canada 🍁
Snowbird, Naples Florida
Alfa Gold 38 (2000) 5ver (parked!)

"Of course I talk to myself, sometimes I need expert advise!!!"

Timber

  • ---
  • Posts: 25
Re: propane tank too old
« Reply #4 on: October 07, 2011, 10:37:48 AM »
As I understand it, and if the regulations for boats are in any way similar to those for motorhomes, while attached tanks do not need to be periodically recertified, REGULATORS do need periodic certification, even on attached/built-in tanks.
We're only in it for the grins

JayT

  • ---
  • Posts: 165
Re: propane tank too old
« Reply #5 on: October 07, 2011, 11:12:29 AM »
Quote
... and you came up with the wrong answer for a typical motorhome tank ... I modified my posting above to clarify the standards somewhat....

Hmmm..... OK
We have been RV'ing for 20 years and much tent camping prior to our first RV.
2008 Holiday Rambler Arista 33'
1983 CJ7 Jeep
Amateur radio operator call sign K6RUV
Home is Southern California in the Coachella Valley

bucks2

  • Guest
Re: propane tank too old
« Reply #6 on: October 07, 2011, 11:35:54 AM »
Re-certification depends on who certified the cylinder to start with. You can find ASME tanks and you can find DOT tanks on boats, motorhomes, trailers, backyards, BBQ's, forklifts, even on cars and trucks.

DOT requires inspection and recertification after a number of years, 12 for the first and 5 thereafter.

ASME requires a visual inspection of every cylinder every time it's filled. Excessive rust, dents, or other damage to an ASME tank will generally keep it from being refilled. Or should I say it should if the rules are being followed. We all know how often rules are followed.

As a general rule though, if your tank stands upright it's a DOT tank and if it lays down it's not.

Ken

John From Detroit

  • ---
  • Posts: 20551
  • ^My New Home^
    • Diabetics Forum
Re: propane tank too old
« Reply #7 on: October 07, 2011, 12:40:56 PM »
I agree with the statement that DOT tanks on Motor Homes do not need re-cert, However the pump jockies at your local filling station often don't know when to use paper and when to use a shovel (Line from a movie: "Of course I know the difference, you need a shovel to did a hole in the ground". I'll let you figure out the question that's an answer to)

Find a propane Distributor (Wholesaler) often they can do re-certs if your tank needs it, Portable (Removable or upright) tanks do need recert from time to time, I've watched them do it (Well part of the procedure)

Sometimes the station manager will know the difference in the tanks... But I'd not count on it.
Nothing adds excitement like something that is none of your business
My Home is where I park it.

Gerall

  • ---
  • Posts: 56
Re: propane tank too old
« Reply #8 on: October 07, 2011, 03:11:08 PM »
Here in Canada I had my built in tank refilled by a mobile refilling service. He indicated that built in tanks do not need recertification like externals do. Now that is just one businesses opinion that may differ from others.
Mona & Gerry
Vancouver Island
Class A, 2003 Fleetwood Bounder 35R
Ford V10

ArdraF

  • ---
  • Posts: 9923
Re: propane tank too old
« Reply #9 on: October 07, 2011, 04:53:55 PM »
Find a local propane dealer who knows what they're doing and have your tank filled there.  Even when we're on the road we look for Suburban, Ferrellgas, Amerigas or another propane retailer.

ArdraF
ArdraF
:D :D

Gary RV_Wizard

  • Forum Staff
  • ---
  • *
  • Posts: 62745
  • RVer Emeritus
Re: propane tank too old
« Reply #10 on: October 07, 2011, 08:54:14 PM »
Quote
I agree with the statement that DOT tanks on Motor Homes do not need re-cert,

And you too would be wrong.   A fixed mount tank in a motorhome is not a DOT tank and nearly all motorhomes have fixed tanks (some Class B's and a few older C's will have DOT tanks). Fixed mount tanks are certified to ASME standrads, whereas portable tanks are certified to DOT standards, and the two have different specs and different certification requirements.

Gary
--------------
Gary Brinck
Summers: Black Mountain, NC
Home: Ocala National Forest, FL

87jamboree

  • Posts: 4
Re: propane tank too old
« Reply #11 on: February 01, 2016, 01:22:42 PM »
I had been told folks couldn't fill my tank because of the age.  Its a horizontal tank bolted up under the rv.  I contacted Manchester tank and they said
 "If this a ASME tank( should have a 4x4 welded on data plate), in the US no re-certification is required.  In Canada, re-certification is required (age is dependent on which providence)."
.

dabrooks

  • ---
  • Posts: 268
Re: propane tank too old
« Reply #12 on: February 01, 2016, 06:22:42 PM »
You may do your self a favor and if the tank looks old and rusty sand it and paint it.
Dave Brooks
2013 Tiffin 35 QBA
Ford f-53
Maryland

Charlie 5320

  • ---
  • Posts: 2072
Re: propane tank too old
« Reply #13 on: February 01, 2016, 06:49:52 PM »
You may do your self a favor and if the tank looks old and rusty sand it and paint it.

I agree, a good looking well kept up tank can make all the difference in the world. I've had to clean and paint every tank I've had on my last three coachs, and I have to do this one too soon as it warms up a bit.
2003 National Dolphin 5320
496  8.1  Workhorse

98 Damon Daybreak 3130
GM Vortech 454  4L80E
SOLD

LAZY DAZE OWNER

  • Posts: 1
Re: propane tank too old
« Reply #14 on: January 23, 2018, 05:48:26 AM »
Fellow posters. If your reply to a technical question starts with "I been told" or "as I understand" , please consider fact checking before you post.  Propane storage is serious business and the agreement you made to forum was to provide accurate answers. Maybe you could keep the unqualified answers to color choices or dinette cushion firmness. 

Rene T

  • Forum Staff
  • ---
  • *
  • Posts: 11132
  • Every day is payday and every payday I have off
Re: propane tank too old
« Reply #15 on: January 23, 2018, 06:56:13 AM »
Fellow posters. If your reply to a technical question starts with "I been told" or "as I understand" , please consider fact checking before you post.  Propane storage is serious business and the agreement you made to forum was to provide accurate answers. Maybe you could keep the unqualified answers to color choices or dinette cushion firmness.

First, welcome to the forum.
Can you be a little more specific?
Rene, Lucille & co-pilot Buddy
AKA  Pep N Mem
2011 Chevy Duramax 2500 HD 4X4
2011 Montana High Country 343RL
From the Granite State of NH
& Florida Snowbird in Lakeland FL

SeilerBird

  • ---
  • Posts: 11711
  • Everything I state is my opinion.
Re: propane tank too old
« Reply #16 on: January 23, 2018, 07:39:14 AM »
I bought a 20 year old 5er last year with two external propane tanks. I took them down and had them refilled. Once they emptied out I took them back. They were closed so I went to the local KOA and they refused to refill it because it was too old. This was the first I had heard about tanks needing inspection. I could have returned to the original spot and they would refill it without question. But I decided that if they were too unsafe to be refilled then maybe it was a good idea not to use them. I bought one of the Rhino refillable tanks and now get a replacement every month.
I would like to apologize to anyone I have not yet offended. Please be patient and I will get to you shortly.
Favorite 2017 shots:
https://photos.app.goo.gl/y0HbMU5KYa2hx02E3
My portfolio:
https://goo.gl/photos/Cx4SaYhGfYFShSty7
My Grand Canyon shots:
https://photos.app.goo.gl/Nc1AT8tQp25wJwfm1

kdbgoat

  • ---
  • Posts: 5129
Re: propane tank too old
« Reply #17 on: January 23, 2018, 07:48:11 AM »
The Rhino tanks should be good to refill instead of trading for another Rhino tank. Rhino is one of my dislikes, as they charge a lot more than what they are worth, especially considering they only put 15# in a 20# bottle.
I know you believe you understand what you think I said,
But I am not sure you realize what you heard is not what I meant


2016 Leprechaun 319DS

SeilerBird

  • ---
  • Posts: 11711
  • Everything I state is my opinion.
Re: propane tank too old
« Reply #18 on: January 23, 2018, 08:12:32 AM »
The Rhino tanks should be good to refill instead of trading for another Rhino tank. Rhino is one of my dislikes, as they charge a lot more than what they are worth, especially considering they only put 15# in a 20# bottle.
I like trading them in. It is very convenient and only costs $15.
I would like to apologize to anyone I have not yet offended. Please be patient and I will get to you shortly.
Favorite 2017 shots:
https://photos.app.goo.gl/y0HbMU5KYa2hx02E3
My portfolio:
https://goo.gl/photos/Cx4SaYhGfYFShSty7
My Grand Canyon shots:
https://photos.app.goo.gl/Nc1AT8tQp25wJwfm1

Sun2Retire

  • Photo moderator
  • ---
  • *
  • Posts: 2711
Re: propane tank too old
« Reply #19 on: January 23, 2018, 08:15:02 AM »
I was given one of the tall cylinders (I think it's about 25gal) that needs to be recertified. When I checked the requirements what I found was that the original tanks are good for 12 years, then have to be recertified every 5 years. Called the local propane dealer, cost for recertification much less than I anticipated, runs $7-12 depending on how quickly you want it done.
Scott
Fulltiming in a 2005 Newmar Dutch Star 3810, Spartan, Cat C7 350
Eezrv TPMS, VMSpc, 970W Solar, Trimetric 2030 Battery monitor
2002 Dodge RAM 1500 Quad Cab toad
Stowmaster towbar & Brakemaster toad braking system

SeilerBird

  • ---
  • Posts: 11711
  • Everything I state is my opinion.
Re: propane tank too old
« Reply #20 on: January 23, 2018, 08:21:32 AM »
I was given one of the tall cylinders (I think it's about 25gal) that needs to be recertified. When I checked the requirements what I found was that the original tanks are good for 12 years, then have to be recertified every 5 years. Called the local propane dealer, cost for recertification much less than I anticipated, runs $7-12 depending on how quickly you want it done.
When I asked around about getting my tanks recertified the price was way too much.
I would like to apologize to anyone I have not yet offended. Please be patient and I will get to you shortly.
Favorite 2017 shots:
https://photos.app.goo.gl/y0HbMU5KYa2hx02E3
My portfolio:
https://goo.gl/photos/Cx4SaYhGfYFShSty7
My Grand Canyon shots:
https://photos.app.goo.gl/Nc1AT8tQp25wJwfm1

Memtb

  • ---
  • Posts: 343
Re: propane tank too old
« Reply #21 on: January 23, 2018, 09:23:04 AM »
You may do your self a favor and if the tank looks old and rusty sand it and paint it.


     Or... Fill it at home!     ;)  As a side note: I was told that I couldn’t fill our class c tank from my home tank....would require a pump. That was “disproved” last week!
« Last Edit: January 23, 2018, 09:26:13 AM by Memtb »
Todd and Marianne
Home Base: Winchester, Wy.
Miniature Schnauzers - Sundai, Nellie and Maggie Mae
2007 Dodge Ram 3500,  6.7 Ram 6 speed manual, 4x4
2004 Teton Grand Freedom
2007 Bigfoot Class C

camperAL

  • ---
  • Posts: 1135
  • Back Into RV'ing
Re: propane tank too old
« Reply #22 on: January 23, 2018, 10:02:28 AM »
Fellow posters. If your reply to a technical question starts with "I been told" or "as I understand" , please consider fact checking before you post.  Propane storage is serious business and the agreement you made to forum was to provide accurate answers. Maybe you could keep the unqualified answers to color choices or dinette cushion firmness. 

Dear Lazy Daze Owner,

I'm not sure what you are wanting, for posters to be specific or you are wanting the facts on older tanks. I just posted a question on my motorhome LP tank age in another topic area under "Motorhome LP Tank Age" and found they should be inspected but have no expiration date. This is for my Class A Coach. Other classes of RV's might and probably are different.
CamperAL (Indiana)
(2006 Coachmen Mirada 290 KS )

John From Detroit

  • ---
  • Posts: 20551
  • ^My New Home^
    • Diabetics Forum
Re: propane tank too old
« Reply #23 on: January 23, 2018, 10:31:42 AM »
I will add this. having attended part of a pump jockey class (The review of the final test).. Pump jockeys ARE trained to inspect the tank at least at what I'd call the 1st or 2nd level   NOTE this is not an "Expert" inspection.. but if they noticed cause for concern they are supposed to send you to an expert.

NOTE 2: In most of the areas I hang out,, Said Expert sells gas cheaper than the less trained pump jockey so by sending you to a Wholesale shop. they may be doing you a favor.   Note also, where I am now,  The Wholesaler is the most expensive.. so it's not 100%
Nothing adds excitement like something that is none of your business
My Home is where I park it.

Rene T

  • Forum Staff
  • ---
  • *
  • Posts: 11132
  • Every day is payday and every payday I have off
Re: propane tank too old
« Reply #24 on: January 23, 2018, 11:39:30 AM »
When I asked around about getting my tanks recertified the price was way too much.

I had to have one of mine done last year and at AMERIGAS, they charged me $10.00.   Plus $26.00 to fill it.  Mine are 30# tanks. 
All they did was pit a little gas in it, soap tested the entire valve assembly then blessed it. They put a sticker on the tank showing that it was good for 5 years.
« Last Edit: January 27, 2018, 07:48:22 AM by Rene T »
Rene, Lucille & co-pilot Buddy
AKA  Pep N Mem
2011 Chevy Duramax 2500 HD 4X4
2011 Montana High Country 343RL
From the Granite State of NH
& Florida Snowbird in Lakeland FL

2kGeorgieBoy

  • ---
  • Posts: 439
Re: propane tank too old
« Reply #25 on: January 26, 2018, 09:47:41 PM »
Camper Al....I think maybe that if you didn't specify that you have a permanently  mounted horizontal tank and not portable, removable tanks, you probably didn't get a correct answer.  I believe that to a large portion of the non-RVing population, a motorhome and a trailer are the same thing.  What is the sense to have a tank inspected if there is then no expiration of said inspection. All motorhomes, independent of class normally have permanently mounted tanks which do not require recertification.
2000 Georgie Boy Maverick
31' E450 V10  No slides
our toys:
'08 Polaris Touring LE ATV (mine)
'12 Polaris 550 XP ATV (wife's)
1968 AH Sprite (original owners, not on road at this time)
Gary, Jena, and Presley (our awesome yellow Lab).
Westcliffe, CO.

2kGeorgieBoy

  • ---
  • Posts: 439
Re: propane tank too old
« Reply #26 on: January 26, 2018, 09:59:12 PM »
Seilerbird...while I understand the "convenience" of trading in 20# tanks at Blue Rhino or whereever, you are paying a high price per pound for that. At the gas station I work at, we fill a very high number of tanks each week, including those in motorhomes. The going rate is 77cents a pound, about 25% less than you are paying and you will get a full 20# of propane. A 20# tank totals $16.47, only $1.47 more than your 15#. We are in the mountains, so prices elsewhere may be even  lower.....
« Last Edit: January 26, 2018, 10:01:33 PM by 2kGeorgieBoy »
2000 Georgie Boy Maverick
31' E450 V10  No slides
our toys:
'08 Polaris Touring LE ATV (mine)
'12 Polaris 550 XP ATV (wife's)
1968 AH Sprite (original owners, not on road at this time)
Gary, Jena, and Presley (our awesome yellow Lab).
Westcliffe, CO.

 

Hosted by Over The Network