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grassy

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Re: Gas vs Diesel for towing vehicle
« Reply #90 on: July 27, 2014, 07:35:25 PM »
Interesting conversation.

A bike shop that we know (that ran a MX team) dumped their tundras due to excessive gas consumption.

Gas is regulated around here so if you buy from one station in town A, all the other garage stations will have the same price. This tip is good to know.  Our gas is presently 6.75 gal for low test.

Are there any Canadians lurking ? I know that there is a big price differential between my home province and the states..I was wondering if the same can be said about diesel trucks ?  How do I find the prices of trucks (lets say ohio) without calling a dealer ?

I am getting 10 mph towing a 6K pound trailer(we are a province with lots of hills)

Has anyone looked at the ram 1500 deseil for pulling TTs...I hear this RAM will get 19mpg with a 6K TT ..is this hocus pokus ?

I want diesel but convincing the wife is another...

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Mopar1973Man

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Re: Gas vs Diesel for towing vehicle
« Reply #91 on: July 27, 2014, 09:53:37 PM »
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Has anyone looked at the ram 1500 deseil for pulling TTs...I hear this RAM will get 19mpg with a 6K TT ..is this hocus pokus ?

 ::) I think that a bit of a high number. I think like all vehicles you'll drop down to low teens (10-14 MPG). But I've not experienced a 1500 Dodge diesel yet either. But I would still have a hard time even considering towing with a 1500 series truck of a trailer longer than about 20-25 foot. Not so much the weight but the length.
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kevin

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Re: Gas vs Diesel for towing vehicle
« Reply #92 on: July 28, 2014, 10:43:10 AM »
understood its just unlikely and unusual a 6.0 l GMM truck gets 14 MPG loaded with 20000 lbs and the same as a empty truck. Never personally seen that or heard of such a fuel mileage situation that's why I asked. no big deal just strikes me odd is all
trust me you are not the only one who found it odd. it was my dad's truck, and his friend bought the same truck with the same gears, and got 16 to 17 empty, and 11 pulling his 5vr, not sure the size and weight. this year also has should I say some electrical glitches...4x4 lights go out, heat and air goes in and out, hot when on cold. the worst is if it sets for a couple of day's and you start it up put it in gear, it just sets. acts like it is low on trans fluid. had it at the dealer, and no answer's, been doing it since he bought it new in 2004.

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Re: Gas vs Diesel for towing vehicle
« Reply #93 on: July 28, 2014, 02:57:22 PM »
I have now surrounded myself with all the dodge truck info...RAM 1500/2500/3500.

Is there any reason I would need a 4*4 if I am going to be in the southern states in the winter ?  Better mileage and higher payload if I stick with a 4*2.

Here is the article that I referenced earlier:

http://www.dieselpowermag.com/features/dodge/1403_2014_ram_1500_ecodiesel_vs_2500_sibling_rivalry/

Summary:

Final Thoughts
After our time with the trucks was up, we came to a not-so-shocking conclusion: both are excellent vehicles in their own right. The new Ram 1500 with the EcoDiesel engine is a game-changer. We’re confident that in the right conditions it can break 30 mpg on the highway, and 20 mpg towing. Short of pulling up in front of the pump to be refueled, one would be hard pressed to tell there is a diesel engine under the hood.

As for the new chassis and suspension under the Ram 2500, we were simply amazed. Highway ride is vastly improved over previous generations, and we noticed no negative affect on its towing ability. Add to that legendary Cummins power that never ceases to impress, and you have one hell of a ¾-ton platform to tow and haul with.

Ultimately, the decision of which truck is the right choice comes down to towing. For the person who commutes in his truck and only tows his toys or who’s trailer weights are at the lighter end of the spectrum, the Ram 1500 is a superb option. If the trailer weight tops 9,000 pounds, or your frequency of hitching up is more often, then the Ram 2500 is the truck of choice. Either way, neither truck will disappoint.




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patdrury

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Re: Gas vs Diesel for towing vehicle
« Reply #94 on: July 28, 2014, 07:36:15 PM »
I have been looking at the Ram 2500 6.4 and the 2500 diesel.  I would love to get the diesel but the payload drops from around 3200 # to 2300 #.  This is for the Ram 2500 4 x4 crew cab. 

The payload of the diesel is fine with my current 7500 # TT but I want the option of trading up someday to a 5th wheeler.  The 2300# payload of the diesel scares me. 

If I go with diesel I may opt up to the 3500.  Any thoughts?
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pz

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Re: Gas vs Diesel for towing vehicle
« Reply #95 on: July 30, 2014, 02:14:43 AM »
I've been using Cummins Diesels since 1996 starting out with the old reliable 2500 12-valve B5.9 at 215 hp and 440 lb-ft torque.  In 2011 we purchased a Rockwood Ultralight at 7900 pounds dry - the 12-valve pulled it, but had to work to get up the 6-7% grades.  I loved that old truck and used it until 2012 when I gave it to my son.  He used it for a while and then sold it for $13,500 - the value of the Diesels remain relatively high

In 2012 we purchased a 3500 ISB 6.7 rated at 385 hp and 850 lb-ft torque.  Grades that formerly gave me problems I can now accelerate up in the 3500.  I hook up the fiver and  the tail hardly goes down with the added weight - giving me a great sense of security that I have plenty of truck.

Having experience with both, I'd definitely spring for the 3500 because that Diesel will last for many, many years, and it is just nice to know that you have the load capacity when you need it.  Other nice features of the new Rams are an intelligent exhaust brake, a tow haul mode in combination with the 6-speed auto makes any  grade effortless.

My dad always said, buy once, but buy well.
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Re: Gas vs Diesel for towing vehicle
« Reply #96 on: July 30, 2014, 10:39:52 AM »
Pat wrote:

I have been looking at the Ram 2500 6.4 and the 2500 diesel.  I would love to get the diesel but the payload drops from around 3200 # to 2300 #.  This is for the Ram 2500 4 x4 crew cab.


This is the same reason I did not buy a 2014 RAM 2500 diesel.  It has the lowest payload of 2500 diesels.  Check the manufacturers' web pages and you will see.  I don't know why is this the case because they have the best engine.
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Re: Gas vs Diesel for towing vehicle
« Reply #97 on: July 30, 2014, 05:08:07 PM »
Pat wrote:

I have been looking at the Ram 2500 6.4 and the 2500 diesel.  I would love to get the diesel but the payload drops from around 3200 # to 2300 #.  This is for the Ram 2500 4 x4 crew cab.


This is the same reason I did not buy a 2014 RAM 2500 diesel.  It has the lowest payload of 2500 diesels.  Check the manufacturers' web pages and you will see.  I don't know why is this the case because they have the best engine.
It is because of the extra weight of the diesel engine being added to the gross weight of the truck. They are heavy beasts.
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Re: Gas vs Diesel for towing vehicle
« Reply #98 on: July 30, 2014, 10:53:35 PM »
Yeah, but 2300#does not give you a lot of space for the pin weight. It may be because of the back suspension.  The 3500 Ram has leaf springs, the 2500 does not.
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Re: Gas vs Diesel for towing vehicle
« Reply #99 on: July 31, 2014, 12:29:49 AM »
We bought a 2014 Ram 2500 crew cab Cummins in January.  I pull an 8000 lbs travel trailer in high elevations (10K' +) and lots of steep grades.  The Cummins is a beast....800 lb ft of torque is a beautiful thing, and I get about 13-14 mpg towing and close to 20 empty.

If you tow in low elevations on relatively flat lands, a gas truck will save you a bundle over the cost of a diesel and should do the job just fine.  If you tow heavy stuff out here in the high country, a diesel is a no brainer.
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Frizlefrak

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Re: Gas vs Diesel for towing vehicle
« Reply #100 on: July 31, 2014, 12:31:30 AM »
And yes, the new Ram 2500 has coils in the rear, and yes it's a heavy mutha.  7800 lbs of truck.  The 2WD version gets you more payload, as does regular cab.....or if you need that much payload, just step up to a 3500.

One nice thing about all the weight that I've noticed.....crosswinds don't even register with me until they hit 25-30 mph now.  Crosswinds use to walk my old truck. 
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Re: Gas vs Diesel for towing vehicle
« Reply #101 on: July 31, 2014, 01:07:26 PM »
The RAM engine are the best.  However, the question was about moving from at TT to a fifth wheel.  With that move, the person asking the question must keep in mind pin weight.  Because of this we need to point out that the 2500 RAM diesel has a lower payload according to the manufacturer.  Then the alternative is moving to a 3500 RAM or another brand 2500.  Just what the data shows.
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Re: Gas vs Diesel for towing vehicle
« Reply #102 on: August 02, 2014, 10:03:31 AM »
I have 2013 gmc duramax Allison combo 3500 hd single rear axle. Pulls my 2013 279rks cougar 5 er great. Just did 2000 mile 2 week trip averaged 16 mpg through many many passesnd flats. Has exhaust break and use a curt q20 hitch. Dream setup. The diesel will pay for itself pretty quickly on fuel mileage and ease of towing. ALWAYS plenty of power. 600 mile range w/o trailer. 36 gallon tank so worrying about finding a fuel station not an issue. Rated to tow 23000 lb 5th wheel. Mine is around 9000 or 10000 loaded so it's not quite half my max making everything a breeze. Hesitated on the diesel at first but decided to go that route. I'm told the truck can go 500,000 or more miles if properly serviced and not chipped up. Sounds good to me. Good luck. You get what you pay for :)

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Re: Gas vs Diesel for towing vehicle
« Reply #103 on: August 02, 2014, 01:48:24 PM »
yes the new duramax is the very best diesel truck to tow with for sure. They do cost about 5K more than a dodge though  but no doubt the king of diesels these days

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Re: Gas vs Diesel for towing vehicle
« Reply #104 on: August 03, 2014, 03:53:43 PM »
Another 1000mi summer vacation trip completed, as expected, great performance with our 6.7 Power Stroke!  The beast has 35K miles on it now, what a dream to drive with the Toy Hauler carrying our golf cart!  Ford's move to making their own motors paid off, very happy with our 2011 Diesel.  Over-all mileage was between 11-12MPG!!!!
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grassy

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Re: Gas vs Diesel for towing vehicle
« Reply #105 on: August 05, 2014, 01:35:10 PM »
So, with the larger payload, why go 4*4 if you are only pulling where there is no snow.... ?

Can you add the second set of rims on the 2500 ?  I know it isn't an "official" option from RAM but is it do able ?

I have had stellar experience with my RAMs so I don't want to move...

We are starting out (I think) with a TT but may move to a 5th.... TTs give you more space per foot and if the weather is crappy, I see me setting off into it anyway...
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Re: Gas vs Diesel for towing vehicle
« Reply #106 on: August 05, 2014, 01:38:20 PM »
So, with the larger payload, why go 4*4 if you are only pulling where there is no snow.... ?

Can you add the second set of rims on the 2500 ?  I know it isn't an "official" option from RAM but is it do able ?

I have had stellar experience with my RAMs so I don't want to move...

We are starting out (I think) with a TT but may move to a 5th.... TTs give you more space per foot and if the weather is crappy, I see me setting off into it anyway...
just buy the 3500 series if you want duals. 4x4 is not needed in most cases I see for sure

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Re: Gas vs Diesel for towing vehicle
« Reply #107 on: August 05, 2014, 03:14:41 PM »
We've used our 4X4 a number of times, snow as well as wet grass with incline while hitched to our 5Ver.
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Re: Gas vs Diesel for towing vehicle
« Reply #108 on: August 05, 2014, 03:57:00 PM »
When I go to back my RV into it's cubby next to the house, I have to SLOWLY back the right front wheel over the curb....there is no other way around it.  In 2WD, the Cummins basically just tries to roast the rear tires.  I have to shift it into 4WD to climb the curb.  I could get out and throw a piece of lumber down, but just turning the knob makes life so much easier.

There are a couple of campgrounds we go to where the best spots require 4X4 to get the trailer in.  I did it once with my old 2WD pickup....never again.  I got VERY close to a tree coming out, and the space was gravel....truck was not going to back up uphill on gravel.  I got it out in one piece....with less than 2" to spare from taking off the side of my trailer.  The 4X4 truck puts the trailer any damn place I want it.
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Re: Gas vs Diesel for towing vehicle
« Reply #109 on: August 05, 2014, 04:23:00 PM »
When I go to back my RV into it's cubby next to the house, I have to SLOWLY back the right front wheel over the curb....there is no other way around it.  In 2WD, the Cummins basically just tries to roast the rear tires.  I have to shift it into 4WD to climb the curb.  I could get out and throw a piece of lumber down, but just turning the knob makes life so much easier.

There are a couple of campgrounds we go to where the best spots require 4X4 to get the trailer in.  I did it once with my old 2WD pickup....never again.  I got VERY close to a tree coming out, and the space was gravel....truck was not going to back up uphill on gravel.  I got it out in one piece....with less than 2" to spare from taking off the side of my trailer.  The 4X4 truck puts the trailer any damn place I want it.
Not to mention the ability to put it in low range for slow speed maneuvering. So nice to be able to do what is needed with very little throttle input. Countless times I have seen people trying to back uphill into a site with the rear tires spinning and revving the engine. With 4x4 and low range, you can just walk it right in.
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Re: Gas vs Diesel for towing vehicle
« Reply #110 on: August 05, 2014, 04:30:05 PM »
Not to mention the ability to put it in low range for slow speed maneuvering. So nice to be able to do what is needed with very little throttle input. Countless times I have seen people trying to back uphill into a site with the rear tires spinning and revving the engine. With 4x4 and low range, you can just walk it right in.

that,s one a I agree with  but  spending the extra 4K or so for the 4x4 option is a waste of money unless you plan on getting yourself in these mostly preventable situations

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Re: Gas vs Diesel for towing vehicle
« Reply #111 on: August 05, 2014, 06:27:41 PM »
But really something to think about.  Thanks !
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Re: Gas vs Diesel for towing vehicle
« Reply #112 on: August 05, 2014, 07:03:23 PM »
that,s one a I agree with  but  spending the extra 4K or so for the 4x4 option is a waste of money unless you plan on getting yourself in these mostly preventable situations

Yeah, but it's my money, I gave up a lot of myself and my youth earning it, and I'll waste it as I see fit....besides, I ain't gonna live forever, and I ain't leavin' it to anyone else. 

The spot in the campground that's tough to get into is on a hillside and has a magnificent view.  After we unhook, wifey and I like to go "canyon carving" up on logging roads and into very remote areas I don't really feel like walking back out of.  2WD ain't gonna cut it.....hell, 4WD barely cuts it in some of these places.  But oh, the scenery.....

And it does snow up in the high country....sometimes when you're not expecting it.

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buchanan

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Re: Gas vs Diesel for towing vehicle
« Reply #113 on: August 05, 2014, 08:01:22 PM »
Yeah, but it's my money, I gave up a lot of myself and my youth earning it, and I'll waste it as I see fit....besides, I ain't gonna live forever, and I ain't leavin' it to anyone else. 

The spot in the campground that's tough to get into is on a hillside and has a magnificent view.  After we unhook, wifey and I like to go "canyon carving" up on logging roads and into very remote areas I don't really feel like walking back out of.  2WD ain't gonna cut it.....hell, 4WD barely cuts it in some of these places.  But oh, the scenery.....

And it does snow up in the high country....sometimes when you're not expecting it.
Yes Yes I totally agree you need a $x4 but the next hundred don't that's all I was saying to each their own. what works for one don't work always the same way for another
My truck is 4x4 and I have always owned and driven a 4x4.its kind of a way of life up here in BC.2wheel drives are rarer than hens teeth

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Re: Gas vs Diesel for towing vehicle
« Reply #114 on: August 05, 2014, 09:39:59 PM »
that,s one a I agree with  but  spending the extra 4K or so for the 4x4 option is a waste of money unless you plan on getting yourself in these mostly preventable situations
do you every really plan on getting yourself into situations? if you never take your truck off concrete or pavement, never drive in snow, or ice. then by all means save your money. other wise the extra whatever  you spend will be a waste...well until you resale it, then you get it back.
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Re: Gas vs Diesel for towing vehicle
« Reply #115 on: August 06, 2014, 04:39:38 PM »
Just went from gasser to oil burner... and I won't be going back... The diesel is so much more powerful and I'm getting better mileage towing and not towing...
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Re: Gas vs Diesel for towing vehicle
« Reply #116 on: August 07, 2014, 04:40:30 AM »
that,s one a I agree with  but  spending the extra 4K or so for the 4x4 option is a waste of money unless you plan on getting yourself in these mostly preventable situations

in the north East with snow it is either 4 x4 or walking in the winter
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Re: Gas vs Diesel for towing vehicle
« Reply #117 on: March 12, 2015, 06:23:06 PM »
I'm thinking of purchasing an Open Range 397FBS RV. The hitch weight is 2,590 lb. and the axle weight is 10,375 lbs. I would prefer to stay with a gas engine. Thinking of Chevy 2500 or 3500 four door, long bed,  4x4 with 4:10 rear axle and 6 liter engine. All the weight numbers have me puzzled. Is this truck capable of towing this type of trailer safely? I now have a 6 liter gas 3/4 ton 4x4 crew cab with two rating of 9,500 lbs. I tow an Open Range JT287RLS with 4259 GVWR. I will consider Ford or RAM pickups if they are capable. Any advise will be appreciated.

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Re: Gas vs Diesel for towing vehicle
« Reply #118 on: March 12, 2015, 10:47:01 PM »
Mopar1973Man (AKA: Michael Nelson) located out in the state of Idaho with...
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Re: Gas vs Diesel for towing vehicle
« Reply #119 on: March 13, 2015, 10:35:41 PM »
What about maintenance costs related to diesel vs gas especially if your out of warranty? Oil changes 13/15 quarts, what if you blow a turbo? I don't know the answer to this question but I'd like to know what the general consensus is?
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