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billiebob

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In motion satellite dishes
« on: January 30, 2012, 09:57:02 AM »
We are looking to purchase an in motion satellite dome and wanted to know if one brand performs better than another. We were looking at the KingDome...as well as the Wyngard. Also...are they very difficult or complicated to install or is it safer to have it installed by a RV dealer? 

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Re: In motion satellite dishes
« Reply #1 on: January 30, 2012, 11:02:33 AM »
Do you have a particular need for in-motion TV? I ask because the better sat receivers including HD are not designed to be used in motion. We have had several friends who have had in-motion systems that seem to require more maintenance and about all they ever did with them was listen to music on the road.

If Sue gets the urge to watch TV while resting we have an ample supply of recorded programs on our DVRs.

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Re: In motion satellite dishes
« Reply #2 on: January 30, 2012, 11:15:18 AM »
Good point Jeff...I will run that by my husband! So if we decide to NOT go with the inmotion..can you recommend a good unit which requires little maintenance ( hopefully!) and can be installed by ourselves?

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Re: In motion satellite dishes
« Reply #3 on: January 30, 2012, 02:27:09 PM »
Most in motion companies have stopped producing the systems due to law suits and new legislation that is in effect to ban them.
Some places still have them and some places don't.
I m not certain if they'll get them back in stock but http://www.12volt-travel.com/ had them a few months ago, they still have auto aiming satellite TV dishes.
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Re: In motion satellite dishes
« Reply #4 on: January 30, 2012, 03:42:11 PM »
In-motion systems require an enclosed dome type unit, but if you don't have the in-motion requirement, you have a choice of dome or open dish. Both are available with fully automatic aiming, so that's not a decision point.

Open face dishes perform better in rain/dew/snow, while domes have the advantage of not needing to be stowed away when you break camp. But "stowing" an automatic dish means remembering to push a button, so that's not a big deal either.
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Re: In motion satellite dishes
« Reply #5 on: January 30, 2012, 10:54:13 PM »
Most in motion companies have stopped producing the systems due to law suits and new legislation that is in effect to ban them.

Could you please supply us with a reference about this ban.

Thanks
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Re: In motion satellite dishes
« Reply #6 on: January 31, 2012, 08:38:19 AM »
Hi,

I installed a Winegard Travel'r (Dish HD) in approx 4 hrs including the time to run the cables from the rear of the unit to above the windshield.
The cost was $1,300 plus the channel (from Home Depot or Lowes) and it worked from the first time I pressed the switch.
Its still working perfectly two years and 30,000 miles later. Highly recommended!
Hope this helps,
Ernie

PS XM handles the music when we're moving.

PPS Most of the in-motion units won't RX HD.
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Re: In motion satellite dishes
« Reply #7 on: January 31, 2012, 09:35:12 AM »
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Most in motion companies have stopped producing the systems due to law suits and new legislation that is in effect to ban them

News to me too. I can't find any info on the web that mentions an attempt to ban and KVH, Kingdome and Winegard all have in-motion systems for sale. Would like to hear more about this.
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Re: In motion satellite dishes
« Reply #8 on: January 31, 2012, 09:50:34 AM »
Most in motion companies have stopped producing the systems due to law suits and new legislation that is in effect to ban them.

This is simply incorrect.  The in-motion domes are still being produced and installed by every dome manufacturer in the business.  Winegard, King Dome, Trac-Star and KVH are all still strongly in the in-motion dome business.  More and more tour bus companies are installing these system to satisfy customer demand and some SUV's owners are having them installed to keep the back set occupants entertained.
In the RV world there are still a lot of owners who prefer the in-motion option for many reasons, however more and more RVers are moving to the open face automatic antenna for the added convenience with multiple satellites as well as the ability to receive the DirecTV HDTV programming.

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Re: In motion satellite dishes
« Reply #9 on: January 31, 2012, 10:01:17 AM »
We are looking to purchase an in motion satellite dome and wanted to know if one brand performs better than another. We were looking at the KingDome...as well as the Wyngard. Also...are they very difficult or complicated to install or is it safer to have it installed by a RV dealer?

The Winegard in-motion system is very easy to install and requires just a 12V wire and coax cable be run from the roof inside where it is connected to 12V power and an on/off switch.  Everything is supplies except the caulk and some coax F-connectors.  The Trac-Star and Trac-King can be even easier with only the coax needed to be run but I like the way the Winegard performs.  The in-motion units (all dome units) are unable to receive the DirecTV HDTV signals so if this is a desire then you should choose an open faced antenna such as the Winegard Trav'ler.  If you are a Dish Network customer you can still have issues with a dome if you want to use a DVR in the coach.  Since a dome can only point toward 1 satellite at a time and the service is provided by 3 satellites you will not be able to watch 1 channel while recording another if they are on different satellites.
The in-motion units are also the units likely to have the most issues simply due to the fact that the motors are always running if the coach is moving.  In order to track those little motors have to work like crazy!

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Re: In motion satellite dishes
« Reply #10 on: January 31, 2012, 04:29:43 PM »
Most in motion companies have stopped producing the systems due to law suits and new legislation that is in effect to ban them.
Some places still have them and some places don't.
I m not certain if they'll get them back in stock but http://www.12volt-travel.com/ had them a few months ago, they still have auto aiming satellite TV dishes.
While we went with a used Roadtrip unit (not needing an in motion unit in the 5ver!) while looking to upgrade, found many in motion units on the market, actually if I remember right, our local CW store had a couple of current units for sale. 
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Re: In motion satellite dishes
« Reply #11 on: February 17, 2012, 11:57:30 AM »
Could you please supply us with a reference about this ban.

Thanks

I stand corrected, the manufacturer of OUR unit stopped producing them.
My mistake I apologize.
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Re: In motion satellite dishes
« Reply #12 on: February 17, 2012, 02:44:42 PM »
Ahhh, mystery solved!  :)  No worries Bob!
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Re: In motion satellite dishes
« Reply #13 on: February 17, 2012, 02:58:51 PM »
We are happy with the KVH Tracvision R6ST ,we installed on our coach this last summer. Of course we have not had it very long, so far no problems.

It came with all the hardware to install and other than having to make a few trips on top of the coach the whole process took under an hour.

One cable was all we had to connect to the dome.
Kenneth H, from League City TX, currently in Lakeland Florida !!

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Re: In motion satellite dishes
« Reply #14 on: February 17, 2012, 04:53:09 PM »
Our coach came with an in motion satellite receiver (dome).  We turned it on and tried it (the in motion feature) in 2007 so DW could see some of the US Womens Golf Open.  It worked.  We've not used it since as DW is totally focused on backseat driving whenever we are in motion!

We do use the auto seek feature every time we set up (except where there is suitable cable) and occasionally when we stop for lunch.
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Re: In motion satellite dishes
« Reply #15 on: February 17, 2012, 11:15:47 PM »
Don,

I solved that problem, she drives and I do other things!!
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Re: In motion satellite dishes
« Reply #16 on: February 18, 2012, 09:37:54 AM »
We had an In motion (Kingdom) on our rig when we purchased it.  Since we don't ever watch TV going down the road and we both like to watch different things sometimes...we had it removed and had a Traveler by Winegard installed.  Love it!  Easy as pie to work, and when he wants to watch sports in the front room...I can go into my bedroom and watch a good movie!  We would not have been able to do this with the dome.  Just something to consider....Mikie
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Re: In motion satellite dishes
« Reply #17 on: February 18, 2012, 11:12:04 AM »
"I can go into my bedroom and watch a good movie!  We would not have been able to do this with the dome"

The used dome that we installed this winter has two separate connections, while we only use one of them, it's very easy to just take another box out of the house and plug it in.  Am I missing something or mis-reading your post?
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Re: In motion satellite dishes
« Reply #18 on: February 18, 2012, 11:18:13 AM »
You can watch different channels on different tvs with a dome - you just have to have multiple tuners. Either separate satellite receivers or  single receiver with multiple tuners (Dish has some like that). The dome must have  multiple coax feeds to support more than one receiver, but most of them do these days.  Not sure why they told you to replace your dome...
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Re: In motion satellite dishes
« Reply #19 on: February 18, 2012, 01:54:07 PM »
When we bought our coach new we thought the in motion sat was sexy!

Did not take us long to find out it was pretty useless and aggravating.  Useless because we travel a lot in mountains and in cities.  And even on the straitaways, when you turn, the sat has to reacquire.  And it is potentially dangerous because of distractions.  After the first 2 weeks we never used that feature ever again.  We could have initially saved about $500 if we had been smarter.

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Re: In motion satellite dishes
« Reply #20 on: February 18, 2012, 02:01:10 PM »
When we bought our coach new we thought the in motion sat was sexy!

Did not take us long to find out it was pretty useless and aggravating.  Useless because we travel a lot in mountains and in cities.  And even on the straitaways, when you turn, the sat has to reacquire.  And it is potentially dangerous because of distractions.  After the first 2 weeks we never used that feature ever again.  We could have initially saved about $500 if we had been smarter.

Smoky
Yea Smoky... In our 5ver, the only one that would enjoy the in motion would be 'Lenard'... No, he's not my Father in Law.... 'Lenard' the cat makes out fine without the in motion satellite setup!  He does enjoy aircon though when it's hot out... Even in the 5ver moving.
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Re: In motion satellite dishes
« Reply #21 on: February 18, 2012, 02:06:09 PM »
Lol JJ!
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Re: In motion satellite dishes
« Reply #22 on: February 18, 2012, 07:11:29 PM »
You can watch different channels on different tvs with a dome - you just have to have multiple tuners. Either separate satellite receivers or  single receiver with multiple tuners (Dish has some like that). The dome must have  multiple coax feeds to support more than one receiver, but most of them do these days.  Not sure why they told you to replace your dome...

While this is true with DirecTV and the SDTV programming only, it can be a real nightmare if you try to pull that off with Dish Network.  Also, if you want ANY HDTV programming from DirecTV you must replace your dome with an open face antenna.
With Dish Network, the programming comes from 3 satellites and all domes are only able to see one satellite at a time.  If you want to watch one program that is broadcast on the 110 satellite and another program that is broadcast from the 119 or 129 satellite you are simply out of luck.  Whatever satellite the primary receiver selects will determine what programming can be recorded on a second tuner or watched on a second TV.

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Re: In motion satellite dishes
« Reply #23 on: February 18, 2012, 10:01:22 PM »
What I was told was that with the dome it only catches one of the three satelites at a time.  The main TV would control which satellite it is on.  We do have two different receivers and even with two receivers we could only watch the channels on that satellite.  The Traveler clicks on all three at the same time and we can watch anything we want on either TV.  That's what I was told by Dishnetwork, Kingdom, and Camping World.  Maybe something has changed since last year, but I doubt it.  Mikie
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Re: In motion satellite dishes
« Reply #24 on: February 19, 2012, 09:18:27 AM »
What I was told was that with the dome it only catches one of the three satelites at a time.  The main TV would control which satellite it is on.  We do have two different receivers and even with two receivers we could only watch the channels on that satellite.  The Traveler clicks on all three at the same time and we can watch anything we want on either TV.  That's what I was told by Dishnetwork, Kingdom, and Camping World.  Maybe something has changed since last year, but I doubt it.  Mikie

This is true for Dish Network and Dish Network is the only service which would allow you to receive any HDTV programming via a dome.  With DirecTV, since you only need 1 satellite to receive all of their SDTV programming you can use multiple receivers or a DVR without issue.

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Re: In motion satellite dishes
« Reply #25 on: February 19, 2012, 09:53:58 AM »
Right, Jim. With Dish service you have to select a new satellite often, whereas with Direct SD it is fairly rare (if ever). I should have asked what service you were using before I made my previous comment... my bad!

Bill gave the more complete explanation - thanks, Bill!
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Re: In motion satellite dishes
« Reply #26 on: February 19, 2012, 07:16:37 PM »
 :)We are having our KVH R4 reprogrammed.  Never been done. This week.  Now we have to decide on DISH or DORECT.  I like the idea of monthly service.  Can we watch two tv's at the same time different channels one receiver? 

Would like to pick your brains. Was told DIRECT on KVH has less moving parts.  I think he was talking about satellites.

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Re: In motion satellite dishes
« Reply #27 on: February 19, 2012, 07:51:31 PM »
:)We are having our KVH R4 reprogrammed.  Never been done. This week.  Now we have to decide on DISH or DORECT.  I like the idea of monthly service.  Can we watch two tv's at the same time different channels one receiver? 

Would like to pick your brains. Was told DIRECT on KVH has less moving parts.  I think he was talking about satellites.

Thanks

Jim

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There are no differences in parts whether your antenna points to DirecTV or Dish Network so whoever told you this has no idea what they are talking about.  With DirecTV there is only one satellite to point toward (good if you are a dome user) while Dish Network requires 2 for SD programming and 3 if you want SD and HD.  With a dome and DirecTV you can only receive SD programming and no HD programming at all.  My personal choice would be DirecTV and no HDTV.  However, if HD programming is a requirement in your household then your only choice is Dish Network.
If you want to watch different channels on different TV's in your RV your best option would be DirecTV (SD) and 2 receivers, one at each TV.  You can get a single receiver from Dish Network that will provide an output to 2 separate TV's but the dome can only point to one satellite at a time so if the main tuner is pointed to 110 and the program you want to watch on the second TV is on 119 or 129 you will not be able to view this program.
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Re: In motion satellite dishes
« Reply #28 on: February 19, 2012, 08:59:26 PM »
Thanks for the info.. I believe he meant that dish needed more than one sat, and direct used  just one.  HD is not an option because I have not upgraded the tv's yet.

He said something like dish had to search more than one sat.  He liked direct was simple to search, did not have to move as much. 

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Re: In motion satellite dishes
« Reply #29 on: February 19, 2012, 09:11:34 PM »
We've actually had both Direct TV and Dishnetwork on our MH's.  On our first MH we had the Traveler dish with Direct TV.  We had two receivers and were able to watch different things on each TV at the same time. (a big requirement of mine)  When we purchased our new MH it came with a Kingdome In-Motion.  We decided to switch to Dish because we were told that it would work easier with the dome than our direct.  Soooo, we switched out the satellite and decided to go with the Traveler because we really liked the ease of operation with it.  We now have the Traveler with two receivers that each work independently of each other.  Whether we are at home in the stick house or in the MH we can both watch whatever we want.  Works for us....just my 2 cents...

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