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Jan Stiskala

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Tipping in USA, how much and where?
« on: March 10, 2012, 05:34:19 PM »
Since I am Australian and tipping is not custom in Australia, I am terrified how I will manage this in US. My problem will be where to tip, and how much. I heard that some professions are totally depended on tip money and I would hate the situation when my tip is not proper.
I understand that this topic is bit unusual for you US born members, but I am living in different culture here. Australians are usually well paid for the job they do, so tipping is not custom here.
What about Canada?
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Re: Tipping in USA, how much and where?
« Reply #1 on: March 10, 2012, 06:00:07 PM »
Tipping can be done anytime you are really satisfied with the personal service you get. Examples would be waitresses, valets, hair stylists and maitre d. Examples of people you would not tip would be a cashier, a policeman (especially not a policeman!), toll booth operators and RV park owners.

Waitresses are the occupation most commonly associated with professions that depend on tips for their income. But I still refuse to tip them if the service is poor. Tips are for good service, not just for service in my book.

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Re: Tipping in USA, how much and where?
« Reply #2 on: March 10, 2012, 06:11:16 PM »
Hi Jan,

Having visited Down Under in the early 1980s we were surprised at the lack of tipping but noticed it was changing somewhat over the years.  It's true many people in the US, especially in tourist areas and in service industries, depend on tips.  They're paid the minimum wage required by law, but hourly workers don't always work a full workweek so their pay might be considerably lower than fulltime workers.  After 9/11, when no airplanes were flying and there were few tourists, we heard people on the radio and TV encouraging others to tip more generously than usual because people like restaurant workers were really hurting.  So yes we do tip, more if the service is unusually good.  You'll also find that generally restaurant servers are more attentive here because they want a good tip.  For example, we Americans like our morning coffee and the server often comes to the table with coffee pot in hand or takes your coffee order and comes back to take the rest of the order.  We didn't see that very much in Australia and New Zealand.  Also, tips in restaurants often are split between several people, including the wait person who takes your order, the "bus" person who brings the water and clears the table, and the "runner" who brings the food to the table.  You'll generally be safe with 15-20 percent.  Restaurants often have a notation on the menu that larger parties, say six or eight people, will have the gratuity added to the bill automatically.  If you have a question about gratuities, by all means don't hesitate to ask the server.  With your accent, they'll know you're "not from around here" and will be happy to help you.  ::)

If you Google Tipping Customs in USA you'll find articles like the following.  http://www.tripadvisor.com/Travel-g191-s606/United-States:Tipping.And.Etiquette.html

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Re: Tipping in USA, how much and where?
« Reply #3 on: March 10, 2012, 06:15:22 PM »
     Although minimum wage laws cover all employees in Canada, tipping of around 15% is usual for such things as waiters/waitresses,  or more if the service was above expectations.  Tipping for mechanics, etc only if you deem their work to be above that.

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PS: Ardra, in states like Florida food servers do not fall under minimum wage rules, so most earn between $2 to $3 dollars per hour
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Re: Tipping in USA, how much and where?
« Reply #4 on: March 10, 2012, 06:24:05 PM »
Tipping is typical 15%.  It can be higher for exceptional service or less for bad service.  Tipping only appkies to sit down dining.

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Re: Tipping in USA, how much and where?
« Reply #5 on: March 10, 2012, 06:31:38 PM »
Wow 2 to 3 us $ per hour that is really bad.
I am bit confused about the previous comment to tip mechanics. You tip mechanics when they do your car service?
Waitresses and hair stylists i understand.
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« Reply #6 on: March 10, 2012, 06:33:53 PM »
Donn - Thanks for the good catch about tipping where the 15-20 percent applies to sit down dining.  For buffets where people still have to bring drinks (sometimes from the bar which may be elsewhere) and clear tables, we generally leave $2-3 per person, depending on the table server's attentiveness and promptness.  We've observed families with little children who make a huge mess to clean up leave nothing at all which isn't fair to the workers.

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Re: Tipping in USA, how much and where?
« Reply #7 on: March 10, 2012, 06:38:56 PM »
     Although minimum wage laws cover all employees in Canada, tipping of around 15% is usual for such things as waiters/waitresses,  or more if the service was above expectations.  Tipping for mechanics, etc only if you deem their work to be above that.

Ed

PS: Ardra, in states like Florida food servers do not fall under minimum wage rules, so most earn between $2 to $3 dollars per hour

This is not true about FL.  The minimum wages laws are Federally mandated with some States paying more but none allowed to pay less.
The minimum wage for workers earning tips increases from $4.29 an hour to $4.65 on 1/1/12.

We used to run a restaurant in FL and many employers broke the law and failed to pay their employees the proper wages (including one who paid there servers $5 per shift) but they were breaking the law.  If you know of workers being underpaid you should report the employer.  If the employee is working for "cash" then they know they are being underpaid and they are working in an environment that is just as illegal as the employers actions.

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Re: Tipping in USA, how much and where?
« Reply #8 on: March 10, 2012, 06:51:03 PM »
Just read it and mus say that as all this is maybe easy for us citizens, it is hell complicated for visitors. LOL For example I have no idea what is Showroom captain
Hopefully I will adjust quickly with out embarrassments
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Re: Tipping in USA, how much and where?
« Reply #9 on: March 10, 2012, 06:58:07 PM »
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all this is maybe easy for us citizens

Not always!  ;D  Sometimes I ask my husband what would be a reasonable tip because he's usually the one who pays the bill.  Until recently, when women in the US started receiving their own incomes, many women didn't know how to tip.  That's changed now.  But I still need help sometimes!  If a person helps carry groceries out to your car most western US grocery stores have "no tip" polices, but that's not always the case back east.  So, don't feel bad - we don't always know what to do either!  Observe what the people around you are doing and that may help.

Here's another article that may help.  http://www.itipping.com/tipping-guide.htm

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Re: Tipping in USA, how much and where?
« Reply #10 on: March 10, 2012, 07:05:39 PM »
How about the pizza delivery guy? Or the hair stylist? Or the dealer when you're gambling? Or the ice cream shop where the workers have a jar out on the counter marked "tips"? Or the tour guide or tour bus driver? It sure can get complicated.
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Re: Tipping in USA, how much and where?
« Reply #11 on: March 10, 2012, 09:24:30 PM »
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How about the pizza delivery guy? Or the hair stylist? Or the dealer when you're gambling? Or the ice cream shop where the workers have a jar out on the counter marked "tips"? Or the tour guide or tour bus driver? It sure can get complicated.

Surely before this thread dies it will be inundated with a lot of how awful tipping is remarks. Be that as it may, I tip graciously and generously every time I get a service, especially if there is an outside chance that I will run into the service provider again. Yes, I tip mechanics and delivery people and dealers and tour bus drivers, and appliance repair techs and the mail delivery person and garbage men at Christmas. Tipping, to me, shows consideration and is, indeed, a payment to help insure good consideration the next time.

For the OP, right or wrong, restaurant servers should be tipped at least 15%, many of us tip a minimum of 20. People like taxi drivers, bell hops, doormen, and baggage handlers are commonly tipped. For our Australian visitors these are all the ones I would suggest remembering to tip.










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Re: Tipping in USA, how much and where?
« Reply #12 on: March 10, 2012, 09:43:34 PM »
Tipping is far more common AND NECESSARY in the US than Canada. First, no one in America can live on minimum wage (and that is what people in the service industries generally get) and you will find (especially in Western US) that the standards of service are quite a bit higher than we are used to in Canada-for example, the coffee pot mentioned above. 15-20% is standard, if you requested and got special service, 25% is not out of line. Do you know the difference between a Canoe and a Canuck- a canoe can tip! (one other thing-in Canada it is not uncommon for management to sideline the tips into their own account so in Canada leave cash rather than tip on the credit card if possible!)

But, if you are at a "special $5.00 breakfast" promotion, don't cut the waitress out of a decent tip  by calculating your tip on the cost of the meal- I like to think $1.00 to $1.50 per person is minimum, more if you receive good service or are going to be there a lot-because waitresses just naturally are specially attentive to regular customers and you want that kind of service.

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« Reply #13 on: March 10, 2012, 09:44:40 PM »
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Re: Tipping in USA, how much and where?
« Reply #14 on: March 10, 2012, 10:51:19 PM »
Thanks god for australian minimum wages. my daughter is uni student working to support her self in club restaurant and her minimum wages is $18 australian per hour. but there is very little tips received here.
Thanks to all for explaining the tipping culture in US. I understand now that there is real reason for that. Only what is putting me off little. Is that feel that you are expected to tip. I personally like to tip in restaurants, but it is much more appreciated if the staff is not expecting this as form of payment. Customer feels more like giving award than like paying fee.

But reading this posts, I have feeling that ordinary workers are not paid well. There is lot to learn for me when I arrive.
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Re: Tipping in USA, how much and where?
« Reply #15 on: March 11, 2012, 07:14:49 AM »
I usually go with 15% before taxes.  It was easy when the sales tax was 15%, tip pre-calculated on the bill, but still happy about the tax cut.

In rare occasions, I've seen leaving myself just leaving a penny.  In those cases, 1 penny was too big of a tip, but I wanted the waiter/waitress to know I did not forget to tip. 
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Re: Tipping in USA, how much and where?
« Reply #16 on: March 11, 2012, 09:32:30 AM »
Hi,

Another thing to consider is that typically we found that comparable food is less expensive in the US than AU. I expect part of this is the lower pay for servers (and the balance probably lower taxes?).

As to quality of service and tips; I'll recite a story:
We stay at the Medina in Darling Harbor (and do tip) when in Sydney. My wife tells the (true) story of the waiter who remembered her favorite breakfast a year later; tips do make an impression there!

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Re: Tipping in USA, how much and where?
« Reply #17 on: March 11, 2012, 12:33:49 PM »
Having had several children who were/are in the food service, or alcohol, I have learned that they are taxed as if the patron left a 15% tip on each one they waited on. Thus a $10 meal where the patron left a $1 tip they have to pony-up the difference...with the elderly this can be a big issue as some still feel that a 10% or less is a mark of gratitude..for "good" service I have been known to leave a 25% or on rare occasions more..I've noticed that alcohol is an occasional influence there..
As was mentioned I always go out of my way to leave the tip as a cash tip and not on the card. Also I like to insure my server is the recipient and not the busboy ...I'm also not a big fan of pool tip jars either ..
I admire the workers who can do this...
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Re: Tipping in USA, how much and where?
« Reply #18 on: March 11, 2012, 12:42:26 PM »
How about the pizza delivery guy? Or the hair stylist? Or the dealer when you're gambling? Or the ice cream shop where the workers have a jar out on the counter marked "tips"? Or the tour guide or tour bus driver? It sure can get complicated.

My thoughts exactly. I do have empathy for someone working for less than a decent wage, but it is really not my job as the customer to supplement the income of the employees at a business. Therefore, I'm usually a very frugal tipper unless I get service well above what I would expect as part of the normal job description. In that case, I'm probably an overtipper.

Why does one tip a bartender for popping the top and handing you a beer? Now if he/she makes the best bloody mary on the block, that might be worthy of compensation for exceptional talent.

Why does one tip the curb side check-in attendent at the airport and not the one inside the terminal? They both handled your bag, but neither is doing anything but the job description. Why tip the blackjack dealer in Vegas when you win? The machine shuffled the deck. All he did was flip the cards when you asked for one. Does anyone ever tip when they go home without their shirt? Why does one tip cabbys? What do they do that's special? The bus driver does much the same, doesn't drive like a maniac, but rarely gets a tip.

Why does one tip the barber for performing a simple hair cut?  Isn't that what they are suppose to do? A hair cut doesn't make me any prettier and if they don't do it to standard, then my not returning will be the issue, not the tip.  Is valet parking worthy of a tip? Aren't the attendants suppose to return your car with all the parts that came with it? Now if they decide to wash and wax it, that's cause for a big tip.

Why does a resturant automatically add a tip to the bill when it's a party of 8 or more? How much more work is it than serving four seperate dining couples at four different tables? Why is it 15%?  With larger groups, the total bill is going to be more anyway, so why not 10% of it? I never have figured out why there is a % for tipping anyway.  15% of a hundred dollar tab is much better than of a ten dollar one. So, just let me wait on the deep pocket diners!

What's with tipping the cruise cabin attendant? There is already an upfront gratuidity added to your package price. It's in the job description that they make funny towel animals and put a mint on your bed. How about a guest leaving a tip for the hotel maid after dirtying every inch of the room, but wants it spotless upon your return.

Has anyone ever tipped the doctor for doing the colonoscopy in accordance with his/her job description. I don't think so. How about tipping the teacher for putting up with your bratty kid all year long? That's probably worth 25%...or more. 

Save up some money by not tipping just because it's expected and then spend it buying lunch for a cop, fireman, or soldier. They do provide service above the norm on a regular basis.

If tipping isn't the norm in Australia, I'm moving there!!


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Re: Tipping in USA, how much and where?
« Reply #19 on: March 11, 2012, 01:21:57 PM »
I too tip generously but................... I sure wish service people we paid properly and the pay included in the cost of the product. 

Our son worked in a couple of high end restaurants while in school.  There a waiter's/waitress' sales for the night were totaled by the restaurant and 5% given to the buss boys.  Thus the wait staff's tips were reduced by 5%.  In the rare occasion that a patron did not tip, the waiter/waitress still paid 5% to the buss boys.
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« Reply #20 on: March 11, 2012, 05:39:55 PM »
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Having had several children who were/are in the food service, or alcohol, I have learned that they are taxed as if the patron left a 15% tip on each one they waited on.

By federal law, taxes are withheld on tip income as if a 7% tip was received on all sales. But when the federal taxes are filed at year end, the actual tips received are reported and the tax paid is based on actual amount, not the estimated 7%.  You then pay the extra or get a refund, as the case may be. However, if you report less than 7% tip income, you can expect to have a discussion with the IRS and be asked to produce records of your weekly tip income. Same might happen if you report much less than 10% too.

Social security is also withheld based on estimated tips, so that brings the total withholding percentage up near the 15% mark. Getting a refund of excess SS deductions is not easy.
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Re: Tipping in USA, how much and where?
« Reply #21 on: March 11, 2012, 05:59:34 PM »
I normally tip generously at most the places mentioned where service has been good, but I don't tip at counters where I physically stand in a line and the person behind the counter hands me something and takes my money, whether it be a sandwich shop, pizza place or coffee house. I feel there really hasn't been service there any more than say McDonalds, or the local hardware store. I think some of these business' are just capitalizing on a "food industry standard" even though they don't do the service aspect of it.
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Re: Tipping in USA, how much and where?
« Reply #22 on: March 12, 2012, 12:21:29 AM »
It is also important to tip forum members who are helpful ;D ;D ;D

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Re: Tipping in USA, how much and where?
« Reply #23 on: March 12, 2012, 01:27:51 AM »
I normally tip generously at most the places mentioned where service has been good, but I don't tip at counters where I physically stand in a line and the person behind the counter hands me something and takes my money, whether it be a sandwich shop, pizza place or coffee house. I feel there really hasn't been service there any more than say McDonalds, or the local hardware store. I think some of these business' are just capitalizing on a "food industry standard" even though they don't do the service aspect of it.

i understand from this that tipping in McDonald and burger shop is not common. What about the food halls in shopping centre where you just order and pick up your plate from counter? I asume that tipping there is not customary also.
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« Reply #24 on: March 12, 2012, 01:52:38 AM »
When in New york I asked the cab driver what the average tip was. He smiled and said 50% plus, but Sir it,s very seldom that I get the average tip  :) :)

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« Reply #25 on: March 12, 2012, 08:29:30 AM »
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« Reply #26 on: March 12, 2012, 09:39:40 AM »
i understand from this that tipping in McDonald and burger shop is not common. What about the food halls in shopping centre where you just order and pick up your plate from counter? I asume that tipping there is not customary also.

Some food type counters set a jar or basket out, but there is really no "standard" that one should drop money in it, and more people don't than do.
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« Reply #27 on: March 14, 2012, 07:11:27 AM »
Thank you all for the help on this subject. Now I have to get Americanized. I am planning to keep coming to US at leas for 10 years to capitalize on my investment (new RV)
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« Reply #28 on: March 14, 2012, 09:43:35 AM »
Thank you all for the help on this subject. Now I have to get Americanized. I am planning to keep coming to US at leas for 10 years to capitalize on my investment (new RV)

Congratulations on your new RV Jan, and enjoy your travels while you're here.
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Re: Tipping in USA, how much and where?
« Reply #29 on: March 15, 2012, 07:53:36 AM »
It is also important to tip forum members who are helpful

Easier than it sounds, most of us are unbalanced and tip easily.

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« Reply #30 on: March 19, 2012, 06:46:40 PM »
Thank you all for the help on this subject. Now I have to get Americanized. I am planning to keep coming to US at leas for 10 years to capitalize on my investment (new RV)

I suspect that you are more confused now than before you posted your question on tipping.

I once visited Australia where I was invited to dinner at a private home. At the end of a fantastic meal, I was asked if I wanted dessert. My reply was.. "No thanks, I'm stuffed." I suspect that you know why there was absolute silence for several seconds after that. Thankfully, the host and guests understood that I was a yank.

As our US Marines motto says...Adapt and Overcome.  For the most part, we are a pretty forgiving society here..altho I don't think that applies to New Yorkers. :D  So you'll have a better time not worrying about when, where, and who to tip.

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Re: Tipping in USA, how much and where?
« Reply #31 on: March 19, 2012, 09:05:42 PM »
He he. that is so funny.
I don't know what is that fuss about New Yorkers. must find out about this.
Here we make fun of Irish people living in Australia. But only in nice way. Something on the level of  blond jokes. We all love Irish Aussies.
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Re: Tipping in USA, how much and where?
« Reply #32 on: April 23, 2012, 08:58:54 PM »
Australian hospitality works are quite well paid and labour laws generally across this country are the reason we have never needed to adopt a tipping system.

Thank goodness.

But I always tip 10-15% in the US - people need it and almost always give better/cheerier service than you get in Australia.
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Re: Tipping in USA, how much and where?
« Reply #33 on: June 29, 2012, 04:10:35 PM »
I've lived in Canada all my life and have travelled extensively in Canada and the US. I thought I had tipping down to a science ... but after reading this thread I'm confused as hell.  :-\

I have never heard of tipping a mechanic. Don't know where that came from ... probably a mechanic. Most of the other service providers .... yes, to various degrees. Food service people are the ones I deal with the most and if the service is acceptable I leave 20-30%. I don't get a calculator out to figure it out ... just look at the bill and guesstimate. Of course the type of restaurant does matter as well. Buffet restaurants are generally $2-$3 per person. McDonalds and Wendy's - nothing. The fancier the restaurant and the more service and the more attentive the wait staff is ... the larger the tip.

Have you ever taken a cruise??? The baggage handlers there are not shy about what they want ... I was taken back by how brazen they were when suggesting that a good tip ensured that your baggage made it to your room in a timely fashion. Same with baggage handlers at the airport. If you want your bags to make it to the same destination as you are going ... it helps.

I am personally embarrassed at how little some folk leave as a tip. It seems the more well off folks are ... the less they leave. Just my observations from friends and acquaintances. If they paid the bill and leave a tip ... I've gone back ocassionally to add to the tip.

To the mates from Downunder ... don't sweat it ... I know it's hard to believe but your accent will give you away and most folks will understand that you find tipping a little confusing and ackward. Just have a great walkabout and enjoy your travels.


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Re: Tipping in USA, how much and where?
« Reply #34 on: June 29, 2012, 05:39:36 PM »
FWIW there was a topic on tipping here several years ago, mainly discussing tipping at restaurants.
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« Reply #35 on: June 29, 2012, 05:48:21 PM »
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I have never heard of tipping a mechanic.

I've been known to tip mechanics in addition to folks who do work at/around the house. If one guy is the owner of the company, I'll tip his workers if they do a good job. One time, a small company did some excellent work on my boat; I called the owner of the company and asked for the names of all his employees who had worked on it. I then drove over there and handed each one an envelope containing a nice tip and a personalized letter thanking them for the great job they did.

But, if folks do a poor job or have a bad attitude, my tip is "find another line of work".
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« Reply #36 on: June 29, 2012, 06:02:21 PM »
I own a business in Michigan. I do tip my mechanics, my postman at holidays, the garbage men at holidays, so anyone i depend on to help keep the business going. and its not the money they look forward to its the gesture sayiong thank you.

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Re: Tipping in USA, how much and where?
« Reply #37 on: June 29, 2012, 06:06:32 PM »
Jammer's Travel Guide (tm) -- Tipping Etiquette in the Land of the Free (and right to arm bears)

Facts to consider
  • Service workers generally believe they are under-tipped and if asked will suggest a larger tip than is actually customary.  This has somehow carried over into many travel guides and internet sources
  • In some cases a tip jar will be present even in situations where tips are not customary.
  • When in the U.S., tip only in U.S. currency.
  • Reduce tips when the service is poor (uninformed, incompetent, rude, etc.).

Restaurant where you pay AFTER you eat.  General rule is 15% of the total for competent, capable service.  If the wait staff truly contributed to your enjoyment of the meal, consider 20%.  Inept service, still leave 5-10% in most cases; no tip at all is reserved for situations where the wait staff were being rude, spilled things on you, and other egregious behavior.

Restaurant where you ordered unusually expensive items Like a $200 bottle of Champagne or something.  Calculate the tip as though the expensive item had been a similar typically priced item.

Restaurant where you pay BEFORE you eat (cafeteria or fast food).  Traditionally no tip is left in these situations.  5-10% may be appropriate if there is attentive table service at buffet and cafeteria places.

If your toddler made a huge mess or you ripped the sink off the bathroom wall in a drunken fit of pique Adjust tips upwards accordingly.  In the latter case you may stop by the following day to settle up after sobering up.

Bars It usually works best to make a large tip on your first order ($5-$10 per person  depending on how long you plan to stay) so that the bartender pays closer attention to you and so you aren't constantly having to figure out how much leave after each little purchase.

Hotels Housekeeping staff are grossly underpaid.  I almost always leave a dollar or two in the room.

Baggage handlers No tip necessary unless they are providing extra service at your request, such as getting bags out of your car or taking them to your room

Valet parking Tricky area, usually with a hotel or restaurant valet I tip a dollar or two, but at parking ramps that require you to valet park so they can fit more cars in the ramp I usually don't. 

Pizza and other ready-to-eat food delivered to your home (or RV or similar location)  15% or so, less for unusually large or high dollar orders (as with a large group), more if you're out in the middle of nowhere and they drove a long way

Grocery deliveries Most have a "no tipping" policy.  Follow it.

Liquor deliveries $5-$10, more for unusually heavy or otherwise problematic deliveries.

Car wash They like tips but it isn't really customary unless you get them to do more work than usual.

Taxi, limo 10-15%, less if the cab is poorly maintained, odoriferous, unsafe driving, etc.  More for nicely appointed limos driven with style and courtesy.

Haircut  15% although some people who own their own barber shop don't like to be tipped.

Shuttle bus driver at an airport, car rental place, hotel.  0%, sorry dude.  If you're feeling generous or they pulled five heavy bags out of the back of the trunk of your car at your insistence then give them a buck or two.

Coffee bar They will have a tip jar out.  It isn't customary to leave a tip unless you place a difficult order or are otherwise making their life difficult.

Musicians, comedians, other entertainers Anywhere from $1-$5 per audience member for a hat pass or tip jar if you enjoyed their performance.  At least $5 if you make a request for a specific song.  No tip is required if you buy a CD or similar item from them.  In more formal venues that charge admission no tips are customary unless the performers indicate otherwise

Package delivery No tip.

Mechanics and other repair personnel No tip except maybe if they stayed open late or came in after hours.

Tour guides, fishing guides, etc. Expectations vary widely with some operating under a "no tipping" policy and others engaging in artless dunning for tips.  Use your judgment.

Charter pilot No tip necessary in most although they do appreciate them.  If they are selecting the destination or acting as a tour guide they may expect a tip.

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Re: Tipping in USA, how much and where?
« Reply #38 on: June 29, 2012, 06:19:54 PM »
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I do tip my mechanics, my postman at holidays, the garbage men at holidays ....

Thanks for the reminder. Every Christmas I wait outside at 6:00am in the freezing cold to hand a tip to our garbage collectors, one being the regular garbage guy and the other being the recycle guy. Their tip is the same (as) we give the mail lady and the UPS driver who's always dropping stuff off at our door; We give them all a Safeways grocery store gift card. As you correctly said, it's the gesture that they really appreciate.
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« Reply #39 on: July 01, 2012, 11:07:48 AM »
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I am getting handle on this now. After 2 months in us, I feel like I am expert LOL.
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« Reply #40 on: July 01, 2012, 08:31:09 PM »
Jan,

Just curious - how far off - or on - were we?

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« Reply #41 on: July 01, 2012, 08:45:08 PM »
How would he know  ???
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« Reply #42 on: July 01, 2012, 11:19:49 PM »
I tip most service people.  However I object to the idea that receiving tips is a God given right.  Tipping is a reward for good service.  And it generally is not done for high paid service people like doctors, lawyers, business executives, etc.

I tip 20% for excellent service, 25% for outstanding service, 15% for good service, 10% for barely acceptable service, and nothing for really bad service.  I view it as a merit program.  In restaurants I give one tip to the waiter.  If they split tips I have no objection.  But I only deal with the waiter.

I base my tip to the mechanic as a percentage of the labor bill.  I do not tip for parts.  I use the same percentages on labor service as I do everywhere else. 

This year I tipped my Internet guy 25%.

I would be glad to tip Ned 100%.  That would be a steal since his labor cost is negligible on this form. ;D

Most of the time I get better than average service, because we generally do not go back to places with poor service.,  So my average is about 20%.  It comes back a hundred fold where we are regulars.

In the end there is no one way to handle tipping.  It is a personal decision.  What has worked best for me over the years is to tip based on merit.  But to be honest in my judgments about the quality of service I am receiving.

One caveat, in restaurants I also add a comment on the check I receive.  For good service I draw a smiley face at the top of the check and and short phrase admiring the good service.  This seems to have an effect even surpassing money.  I often wonder what happens to all my many checks with smiley faces.  I hope thay make a lot of bosses and restaurant mangers happy with that employee.  At least I hope so.  Maybe it gets them higher pay in the long run.

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Re: Tipping in USA, how much and where?
« Reply #43 on: July 02, 2012, 01:26:52 AM »
Jan,

Just curious - how far off - or on - were we?

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« Reply #44 on: July 02, 2012, 11:22:50 AM »
All advice was useful to me to find right way to handle tipping. I was wrong once when I attempt to tip boy at Cosco gas station. He told me that they are not allowed to take tips.

National Park Service rangers also are not allowed to take tips. This may apply to all federal employees. When offered a tip, we used to tell the folks that we couldn't accept but that they could drop the money in the donation box that most parks have.
 
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Re: Tipping in USA, how much and where?
« Reply #45 on: July 02, 2012, 12:12:51 PM »
I have several younger friends who have great fun laughing at all the stooges paying taxes on all their wages. Two who work at higher end restaurants and are in their 40's, have no plans to leave their jobs and get a regular wage job. The tip skimming is worth so much to them, they can't afford to (won't) take a regular job and pay taxes on ALL their earnings. Tax cheats are tax cheats.

Tips are for service rendered, (To Insure Prompt Service) If the person is not giving me the service I require, the tip is adjusted appropriately. If I am receiving excellent service then the tip shows my appreciation.

Re: Tipping in USA, how much and where?
« Reply #46 on: July 09, 2012, 06:30:21 PM »
Hi,

I am an Aussie too.  We were RV'ing in the USA last year.  You will know who and when to tip when you are there.  The service is phenomenal.  You will be shocked how helpful the Americans are compared to us Aussies. 

Eg They listen to what you are really ordering and any changes are not a problem.
Handing over a heap of loose change to empty the wallet or purse is a great way to tip too.
We had a tyre issue and the guy worked on it for 1 hr.  He charged us $5 - now that is a tipping service.
People who go above and beyond and make you really enjoy your shopping/meal/what ever.... they are the ones to tip. 
Often with food, you can add your tip to the bill to pay with your credit card or ask for no change if you want to tip.

Americans work very hard and are very friendly.

Good luck, you will love it!!

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Re: Tipping in USA, how much and where?
« Reply #47 on: July 10, 2012, 01:13:09 AM »
You bet.
I am loving the trip. American's are very service oriented. Not like lay back Australians LOL.
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Re: Tipping in USA, how much and where?
« Reply #48 on: July 10, 2012, 06:09:03 AM »
If only we could laugh out loud about it.  Maybe Aussies should bring in tipping??!!

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« Reply #49 on: July 10, 2012, 06:27:04 AM »
We usually tip 20%. If the service is really exceptional we will go for more than 20%. If the service really sux we will do less. At a buffet we usually tip 10% (or more if the Waite person is really attentive). If we have a discount coupon for something (Meals, haircuts, etc) we will tip based on the full value of the service rendered. 8)
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« Reply #50 on: July 10, 2012, 08:29:06 AM »
I guess we have to remember what a TIP is: To Insure Prompt Service
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Re: Tipping in USA, how much and where?
« Reply #51 on: July 23, 2012, 10:03:01 AM »
Being in the US again reminded me what an archaic and injust system tipping is.

I'm going to write an in depth discussion piece on my blog, in the meantime, can I ask why the tip component on a bill sits below the tax component?

So basically you want us to tip on the tax amount as well as the service/product amount? Just one of many anomalies that come with not paying people a proper wage and allowing employers to shift the responsibility from themselves onto consumers.
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Re: Tipping in USA, how much and where?
« Reply #52 on: July 23, 2012, 10:21:31 AM »
If you purchase something in Australia, and there is a tip added on, well tip in USA Unless you are in a group of 6 or more, they do not add the tip.

Just like home you tip the same. I use 20% for good service..

Where it is included in Australia it is not in USA.  Not difficult.
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« Reply #53 on: July 23, 2012, 10:36:34 AM »
can I ask why the tip component on a bill sits below the tax component?

So basically you want us to tip on the tax amount as well as the service/product amount?

You are not required to tip on the tax amount.  It's printed that way as some people leave a cash tip on the table and thus the printed bill is complete as printed.  I always compute the tip on the meal amount, exclusive of the tax.
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Re: Tipping in USA, how much and where?
« Reply #54 on: July 23, 2012, 06:00:43 PM »
You are not required to tip on the tax amount.  It's printed that way as some people leave a cash tip on the table and thus the printed bill is complete as printed.  I always compute the tip on the meal amount, exclusive of the tax.
Thanks for the clarification, although I don't think thousands of low paid workers and their employers understand this.

Nor do tippers generally.
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Re: Tipping in USA, how much and where?
« Reply #55 on: July 23, 2012, 06:04:26 PM »
If you purchase something in Australia, and there is a tip added on, well tip in USA Unless you are in a group of 6 or more, they do not add the tip.

Just like home you tip the same. I use 20% for good service..

Where it is included in Australia it is not in USA.  Not difficult.

I don't understand what you mean by included tip in Australia.
Workers in Australia are paid properly and don't relying on tipping. We just don't tip down under. Minimum wages for waiter is around $18-19 per hour.
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« Reply #56 on: July 23, 2012, 06:46:57 PM »
Workers in Australia are paid properly and don't relying on tipping. We just don't tip down under. Minimum wages for waiter is around $18-19 per hour.
Yes and in fact even though US visitors may feel they are doing the right thing, tipping in Australia is not necessary and actually creates/contributes to problems in our service industries. For example:

  • Employers will start to see it as a great way to try and install a system like the US system where they can ditch their responsibilities to employees. There has already been noise about this by high profile restuarant owners who feel they are not making enough money to match the size of their profiles or egos

    Workers start to develop an unwarranted entitlement mentality, and service levels will drop

So dont tip in Australia - its like introducing a foreign species amoung our flora and fauna, just creates more problems than it solves.
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« Reply #57 on: July 23, 2012, 07:18:31 PM »
I like this quote;  its like introducing a foreign species amoung our flora and fauna, just creates more problems than it solves.

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« Reply #58 on: July 23, 2012, 08:06:51 PM »
It's interesting to see the variation in tipping by country, even within the same region. Tipping is normal and expected in many countries in SE Asia but, like Australia, tipping is not done in Japan.
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« Reply #59 on: July 23, 2012, 08:14:30 PM »
It's interesting to see the variation in tipping by country, even within the same region. Tipping is normal and expected in many countries in SE Asia but, like Australia, tipping is not done in Japan.
Yes, SE Asia is about the only region we are close to, so we visit it a lot. Tipping is not expected in many countries in the region

Big difference between working conditions in SE Asia though, comparing Australia to say Thailand is like comparing the US to Mexico.

Ironically only one of those 4 countries mentioned has labour laws that actually benefit the "labour".

I actually see tipping - in theory and practice - as being closer to a bribe than a wage suppliment. As mentioned by several Americans in this interesting thread - "To Insure Prompt Service"
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« Reply #60 on: July 23, 2012, 08:20:37 PM »
The one tip I can give is if you don't tip, do not go back to that restaurant....they will remember you..
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« Reply #61 on: July 23, 2012, 08:31:32 PM »
I'm not convinced that the expectation of tipping is necessarily related to absolute wages. 1$US or 1$Au doesn't mean the same thing in different countries.

One point that I hope folks take away from this discussion is that they should research culture and customs in countries they plan to visit. Having spent many years traveling the world on business, I learned some things the hard way when I didn'd do my homework ahead of time.

Having visited Singapore more times than I can count, I've regretted not taking private time to visit AU or NZ.

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« Reply #62 on: July 23, 2012, 08:38:19 PM »
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As mentioned by several Americans in this interesting thread - "To Insure Prompt Service"

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« Reply #63 on: July 23, 2012, 11:04:44 PM »
I'm not convinced that the expectation of tipping is necessarily related to absolute wages. 1$US or 1$Au doesn't mean the same thing in different countries.

One point that I hope folks take away from this discussion is that they should research culture and customs in countries they plan to visit. Having spent many years traveling the world on business, I learned some things the hard way when I didn'd do my homework ahead of time.

Having visited Singapore more times than I can count, I've regretted not taking private time to visit AU or NZ.

BTW I'm a Wallabies fan  :)

you are right Tom
Research is important to do before you visit different country. And also it is important to respect local customs. That is the reason I asked the tipping question on this forum. Not to criticise the system.
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Re: Tipping in USA, how much and where?
« Reply #64 on: August 21, 2012, 09:02:30 PM »
I have observed the US tipping system first hand as a visitor for 25 years, and discussed it with many Americans and non-Americans alog the way

My conclusion may not be that popular but have a read (link in signature).
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« Reply #65 on: August 22, 2012, 12:29:37 AM »
I have observed the US tipping system first hand as a visitor for 25 years, and discussed it with many Americans and non-Americans alog the way

My conclusion may not be that popular but have a read here >>

Excellent commentary and quite accurate from my own experience both as a bus boy in a restaurant and other such jobs and as a customer who left a meager tip because of poor service.  The waitress did not see it my way and was very vocal about it and she was not the only one in my life time as I do not tip well for poor service.
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« Reply #66 on: August 22, 2012, 08:40:18 AM »
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Being in the US again reminded me what an archaic and injust system tipping is

It seems that Australia is not as tip-free as comments here suggest. A little research, including among Aussie sites, suggests that tipping is becoming more common. 10% is mentioned as appropriate, customary &/or expected  :o.  Just one of many such reports returned by a simple Google search:

http://www.austtravel.com.au/australian_travel.htm
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« Reply #67 on: August 22, 2012, 05:27:45 PM »
It seems that Australia is not as tip-free as comments here suggest. A little research, including among Aussie sites, suggests that tipping is becoming more common. 10% is mentioned as appropriate, customary &/or expected  :o.  Just one of many such reports returned by a simple Google search:

http://www.austtravel.com.au/australian_travel.htm
Thanks for the link, just so we're clear, tipping is neither required nor expected in Australia. Anyone who says otherwise has personal interests, e.g. from the hospitality industry

Hospitality workers are well paid - in many cases being paid time and a half and double time for overtime and sundays - and our labour laws ensure that nobody in this country needs to rely on gratuities of any kind.

No one will ever ask you for a tip, and many neighbourhood restuarants & cafes away from tourist areas will total off your bill when you pay with a credit card, not even expecting that you would add a tip.

Many tourists (and a few locals) still do tip - almost exclusively in restuarants - but all this serves to do is erode the foundation of what is a very stable and equitable system.
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« Reply #68 on: August 22, 2012, 06:11:14 PM »
Your stable & equitable system provides no incentive for service above and beyond. Everyone gets paid the same 'high' wage, irrespective if their service is outstanding or non-existent. Having lived and worked in an environment like that, I know which I prefer, both as an employee and a customer. Seeing coworkers do as little as possible and getting paid the same high wage was extremely discouraging, and I left that environment.

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« Reply #69 on: August 22, 2012, 06:59:10 PM »
Your stable & equitable system provides no incentive for service above and beyond. Everyone gets paid the same 'high' wage, irrespective if their service is outstanding or non-existent. Having lived and worked in an environment like that, I know which I prefer, both as an employee and a customer. Seeing coworkers do as little as possible and getting paid the same high wage was extremely discouraging, and I left that environment.
Yes to a degree that is true. Our system is stable and equitable but not perfect. There are socialist elements to it, as much of our workplace laws were pounded out by decades of labour governments with left-wing factionals at the helm. Historical I guess as our country was built initially on the back of convicts and pioneers and then poor immigrants, whilst the element of nobility and land barons for want of a better term has was less than other country's. A land for the people you could say, though 10 years of conservative government did erode quite a bit of the hard fought workers rights and swung in favour of big business and employers.

Not sure where it will go from here as there is a real push for "insentivism" especially in public services e.g there's a huge teacher controversy looming.

But I've found though through my work life here that generally the good workers get the promotions, better conditions and raises and the poor workers stagnate, so I have to admit to being a tad cynical about the proposed changes

Just not sure who they're meant to benefit, and we have a 20 year history of gradual "Americanisation" (not all bad), this could be yet another chapter.

 
I've never been asked for a tip in 40+ years of living in and traveling to the U.S.
In the US? Wow I have! Maybe there's been times its been clear that I'm a non-US tourist and waitresses etc have felt the need to "educate" me in advance. And that doesnt count the times its been automatically added to my bill and I've had to go to the cashier and say "actually the service was pretty bad and I'm not leaving a 20% tip so can you please remove it from my bill and I will add my own tip as I see appropriate thank you very much!"

Which takes balls but it shouldt have to be that way.

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« Reply #70 on: August 22, 2012, 07:11:26 PM »
I, too, have never been asked to leave a tip.  The only times that a tip was added automatically to the bill was when it was a restaurant policy for large parties (typically 8 or more) and I knew that in advance.
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« Reply #71 on: August 22, 2012, 07:14:32 PM »
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I have!  A group of us were at a convention in New York City about 25 years ago.  Some of us went to a Chinese restaurant for dinner.  Both the meal and the service were awful so we left no tip.  The waiter and someone else came running after us and we had a confrontation on the sidewalk.  We told them there would be no tip.  When half the group was sick the next day, it reinforced our thoughts as to why we left no tip.

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Re: Tipping in USA, how much and where?
« Reply #72 on: August 22, 2012, 07:20:38 PM »
I must say that I was asked for tip in nearly all tourist bus site seeing trips by tour organizer, or driver in advance on this year holiday in US. I think they do that, because they know that tourists from other countries don't tip otherwise.
After sight seeing trips, driver was standing next to door when people was leaving bus and his hand was up receiving the money. It would be not easy to skip tipping there, happy or not happy. I felt like I am paying release fee to get out from bus. He he.
But I don't mind to tip. Just the way they handle the process was bit strange.
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« Reply #73 on: August 22, 2012, 07:28:49 PM »
I, too, have never been asked to leave a tip.  The only times that a tip was added automatically to the bill was when it was a restaurant policy for large parties (typically 8 or more) and I knew that in advance.

Same for me, unless you count the "tip" jars sitting on counters as "asking" for tips. And anytime a tip is automatically added for a large group, you are always free to remove or adjust that tip based on the service you received.
 
FWIW, tipping is NOT unique to the U.S. When we've gone on cruises, we've been given a sheet that lists the "appropriate" tips for shipboard employees. And on Caribbean islands, the bus driver and tour guides have their hand stuck out as you get off the bus, waiting for their tip.
 
Regardless of where or how much, good or bad, different countries are, well, different. And I won't slam one for not having tipping and I won't slam one that does have tipping. It's the differences that make us special.
 
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Re: Tipping in USA, how much and where?
« Reply #74 on: August 22, 2012, 10:33:57 PM »
The only times that a tip was added automatically to the bill was when it was a restaurant policy for large parties (typically 8 or more) and I knew that in advance.
I've had the group thing too, but no I am specifically talking about eating with my family - 3 of us.

FWIW, tipping is NOT unique to the U.S. When we've gone on cruises, we've been given a sheet that lists the "appropriate" tips for shipboard employees. And on Caribbean islands, the bus driver and tour guides have their hand stuck out as you get off the bus, waiting for their tip.
 
Regardless of where or how much, good or bad, different countries are, well, different. And I won't slam one for not having tipping and I won't slam one that does have tipping. It's the differences that make us special.

I hear you, and I'm not slamming one country over another (well not too hard anyway) but I think the US can afford modern labour laws and a system befitting a country of its position in the world economy.

The Carribean countries, Mexico etc where your cruise might have gone can't always.

Is it not a tad embarassing for the US to be compared to poorer, and in some cases third-world nations?

Not too many rich nations in this list have systems where employees rely on tips to survive.
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« Reply #75 on: August 22, 2012, 11:13:38 PM »
Wow Guys you are getting political here. I think that we should stay away from this type of posting. I started this post simply to find out how to tip in USA not why to tip.
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« Reply #76 on: August 22, 2012, 11:32:49 PM »
Wow Guys you are getting political here. I think that we should stay away from this type of posting. I started this post simply to find out how to tip in USA not why to tip.
LOL, no ones blaming you, your original question has grown into a wider discussion thats all!
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« Reply #77 on: August 22, 2012, 11:54:14 PM »
Tipping is an accepted practice in America.  Tipping, apparently, is not an accepted practice in some other countries.  If one doesn't approve of tipping, perhaps one should confine their travels to countries where tipping is not an accepted practice.  I doubt if any expressed opinions on this forum will change accepted practices in individual countries. 
 
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« Reply #78 on: August 23, 2012, 01:43:06 AM »
Tipping is an accepted practice in America.  Tipping, apparently, is not an accepted practice in some other countries.  If one doesn't approve of tipping, perhaps one should confine their travels to countries where tipping is not an accepted practice.  I doubt if any expressed opinions on this forum will change accepted practices in individual countries. 
 
So, the choice is clear.  Visit America  ... or not. 
 
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« Reply #79 on: August 23, 2012, 02:44:49 AM »
Greetings,

This is my take. While visitors might not like our methods in regards to employment, I look at it this way. If the business is paying their employees a higher wage, then I will pay more for my visit there (which might be a factor in my even going to that business in the first place). It also cuts me out of the loop for showing my gratitude for good or bad service. I'd like to have the control of paying for the good service and leaving a low token for bad service.

If a server is doing a good job for people, they will have the tips to supplement their incomes. If they don't feel like things are fair, they are FREE to make a business themselves here or find other employment.

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« Reply #80 on: August 23, 2012, 02:46:09 AM »
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I'm not slamming one country over another

Could have fooled me mate. Comments you've posted here and elsewhere are quite critical of the US, and only the US.
 
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Maybe there's been times its been clear that I'm a non-US tourist and waitresses etc have felt the need to "educate" me in advance.

That never happened to me in the years I was a non-US tourist, and I've never heard it said by any of the countless non-US friends and relatives who have visited, some many times over the years.

Contrary to your protestatons, it seems you're on some kind of anti-US campaign. Might  be time to take some of your own advice on self analysis  ;)  Or maybe this is all a big wind up  ???
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« Reply #81 on: August 23, 2012, 06:22:14 AM »
Tom I think that we should close this topic.
Last think I wish, is to hurt other people feelings. That is not what I planned by starting this topic. Americans are great, friendly people and I made lot of friends on my last trip. Tipping is no problem for me, just some time confusing and unusual to our customs. But I am the visitor and I will behave the way I should in guest country.
Sorry if any of my posts was taken the wrong way or started this arguments.
I hate to see harmony of this grate forum to be disrupt. :(
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« Reply #82 on: August 23, 2012, 07:41:21 AM »
I think you are right, Jan.
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« Reply #83 on: August 23, 2012, 09:14:00 AM »
Jan, you have nothing to apologize for; I saw nothing wrong with any of your posts, nor did they contain anything that would cause or contribute to any lack of harmony. Personally, I see no reason for the discussion to be locked.
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